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David Kilo

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Aug 7, 2004, 4:35:03 AM8/7/04
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I was thinking of buying a Dali print, Place Furstenburg, but I have
heard so many negatives about buying Dali works because of all the
copies and fakes and what not. What should I be aware of? Fakes?
Flooded markets and no re-sale? Anyone know if $6,000 is a good price
for this? Thanks in advance
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Mani Deli

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Aug 7, 2004, 12:08:49 PM8/7/04
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On 07 Aug 2004 13:09:15 GMT, danf...@NOSPAMyahoo.com(Dan Fox) wrote:

>David - you are right to be wary. Nearly all Dali 'prints' are fakes, as
>are most Chagall, Miro, Picasso, and others. Dali himself participated in
>the fraud by signing blank sheets (some 350,000, according to a witness!).
>(A Dali signature alone is worth about $8.)
>
>$6,000? What you will most likely get is a cheap repro with a fake
>signature worth maybe ten bucks as a poster. It is nearly impossible to
>tell many fakes, since they sometimes come with phony paperwork as well. It
>is an industry, unfortunately.
>
>Read this book: The Great Dali Art Fraud by Lee Catterall for the whole
>fascinating story.
>
>Dan

Dan is correct if you are buying the late prints he is referring to.
Early prints from the 1930 etc. are valuable. However you best find
reference to the value in proper catalogs. Values vary tremendously.

No skill no art!

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David Kilo

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Aug 8, 2004, 1:39:01 PM8/8/04
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Ok, so I should just forget buying the Place Luxumbourg drawing prints
(1972, I believe), priced anywhere from $3,000 to $7,000? I thought
so, and after reading the last post it confirmed my fears. But I just
wanted to make sure.

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David Kilo

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Aug 8, 2004, 1:40:59 PM8/8/04
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Here is the letter one dealer sent me. Thoughts?


Hi Nick,

We hope you enjoyed the web site.

As per your request, please find the following information.

Salvador Dali
"Place Furstenburg"
Original Engraving + Color
Japon Paper: 12-1/2" x 15-3/4" on 19-1/2" x 25-1/2"
Published by Pierre Argillet, Paris, 1971
Excellent Condition
Price - $3,900.00

A letter of authenticity, issued by a RECOGNIZED AUTHORITY, will be
presented to you with the purchase of this work of art, from our
gallery. In addition, please be advised all the art work posted on our
web site has been inspected and found to be authentic by RECOGNIZED
AUTHORITIES in the field of Salvador Dali. When purchasing a work of
art by any major twentieth century artist like Salvador Dali, Pablo
Picasso or Joan Miro, you should only consider making such a decision
if the seller of the art work in question, can provide you with a
CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY, issued by a RECOGNIZED AUTHORITY, to
examine before the point of sale.

The cost to package, insure and ship these works of art will be
determined by the total cost of your purchase and the final
destination of the shipment.

If you have any questions, please contact us again.

For a personal consultation, you can call us at 1 (718) 279-4241.

Thank you for visiting The Salvador Dali Print Gallery.
http://www.daliprintgallery.com

Sincerely,

Thomas J. Gherardi
President

NOTICE: This communication contains privileged and confidential
information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that
you have received this communication in error, please do not print,
recopy, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please
indicate to the sender that you have received this e-mail in error and
delete the copy you received.


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Electric Nachos

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Aug 8, 2004, 2:21:59 PM8/8/04
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I'd like to find out who that "RECOGNIZED AUTHORITY" is. Lol

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Cal Dia

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Aug 8, 2004, 7:20:21 PM8/8/04
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In article <10hcrce...@corp.supernews.com>, aint_...@chew.foo says...

>
>I'd like to find out who that "RECOGNIZED AUTHORITY" is. Lol

The more "interesting" thing for me was going to
the site and when clicking on the link to
"check authenticity" having NOTHING happen!

Perhaps I have my IE security settings set
too high - but oddly the other links work!

sarpedon

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Aug 10, 2004, 11:23:07 PM8/10/04
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callm...@earthlink.net (David Kilo) wrote in message news:<c247004a.04080...@posting.google.com>...

Most of the prints out there of the last generation of masters
(picasso, dali, chagall, etc.) are lithographs. This is a cheap
method of printing to begin with. In addition, the prints of a single
run deteriorate in quality the higher the number they are in the run.
The total number of prints made in that run and the specific number
that any one print has should be given somewhere on the print, in the
lower corner or on the back. like 100/200. This would mean this is
print number 100 out of a total run of 200. The lower the first
number, the more valuable the print would be.
But I would not buy any lithograph like this for 6k, especially
since even the originals these guys were making at the ends of their
careers were crap.

sarpedon

Flobby Bischer

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Aug 11, 2004, 3:31:45 PM8/11/04
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Yes it's common knowledge that the market is flooded with
fakes and some say he signed hundreds of blank pieces of paper
before his death that someone then did drawings or prints on.
If you're spending 3,900 on a print (overpriced in my opinion
for something that has little resale value -- note Christies and Sothebys
don't deal much in dali prints -- and for a reason!) then you need
to absolutely guarantee it's real. There are many ways that galleries
get around true authenticity, such as saying by the artist's hand or
in the style of, or said to be by the artist etc.

If you have that sort of money to spend why not get a real print by
an old master or contemporary master that will appreciate in value
rather than drop in half the moment you walk out the door?

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