Contemporary art: Realism or Abstraction?
St8 of Art
economy and the high cost of so much abstract work has turned a corner
toward "contemporary realism"--work created in graphite or charcoal,
which, with a reduced price tag, could open the door to more collectors.
Mattison T. FitzGerald
: Do you see a trend toward realism in contemporary art? Perhaps a poor
: economy and the high cost of so much abstract work has turned a corner
: toward "contemporary realism"--work created in graphite or charcoal,
: which, with a reduced price tag, could open the door to more collectors.
Soap Box Please -
What would open the door to more collectors is the proper incorporation
of art and art education and an art craft based economy in America.
Incorporation of a creativity based product orientation to form a cyclic
rather than a dead end defense based product and economic orientation is
what we need. Imagine that - kids with higher test scores, families with
jobs, schools with fundings, museums with attendances...what a hell hole
idea?
Amazing....
Rather than this bombed based BS most have sold there souls too. Barely
recouping from the third recession here in the destruction mecca of Silicon
Valley - the Valley that was called the 'Valley of Hearts Delight'. The only
delighted hearts I've seen here of late are the kids coloring on my studio
floor and the burned out yuppies stumbling into the studio to be amazed
someone is brave enough to actually do art. The market is there all
you have to do is acknowledge it and create product to match the needs -
economics and marketing 101 - wake up kids!
Every dollar spent on art brings four back to your communities four
dollars that are cyclic not just stock piled.
Mattison
pro art = pro business
TexMexTamale
>I shudder to think of *more* realism.... I think it's probably the
>dullest genre possible for art - the real world? How finite!
>Representational techniques can be used to represent all kinds of worlds,
>not just our day to day one...
One of those things I wish I'd said, but didn't:
"Faithful representation is NOT art."
I don't remember who said it either--but that's another problem.
It was an "artist" of distinguished repute though.
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Wray Kephart
X Do you see a trend toward realism in contemporary art? Perhaps a poor
X economy and the high cost of so much abstract work has turned a corner
X toward "contemporary realism"--work created in graphite or charcoal,
X which, with a reduced price tag, could open the door to more collectors.
I see a trend in gallery owners promoting realism; I see a trend in
patrons buying realism but the number of realists out there probably
hasnt changed.
Kephart
Jeff Harrington
: economy and the high cost of so much abstract work has turned a corner
: toward "contemporary realism"--work created in graphite or charcoal,
: which, with a reduced price tag, could open the door to more collectors.
Realism, schmealism, abstraction, schmabstraction... it's the artist that
counts, not the medium, the genre, the fashion...
I shudder to think of *more* realism.... I think it's probably the
dullest genre possible for art - the real world? How finite!
Representational techniques can be used to represent all kinds of worlds,
not just our day to day one...
Just my $.02...
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Doug Quarnstrom
: you have to do is acknowledge it and create product to match the needs -
Yes, if product marketing is what you are interested in...
doug
Doug Quarnstrom
: Do you see a trend toward realism in contemporary art?
I think the art world is a little too broad for me to generalize.
From the art magazines I look at, it seems there is a lot of both.
: Perhaps a poor
: economy and the high cost of so much abstract work has turned a corner
: toward "contemporary realism"--work created in graphite or charcoal,
: which, with a reduced price tag, could open the door to more collectors.
I do mostly charcoal, graphite, and pen, and I am not sure I wouldn't
consider them just craft work.
doug
Ted Park
: In article <D9sy2...@dorsai.org>, idea...@news.dorsai.org says...
: >I shudder to think of *more* realism.... I think it's probably the
: >dullest genre possible for art - the real world? How finite!
: >Representational techniques can be used to represent all kinds of worlds,
: >not just our day to day one...
: One of those things I wish I'd said, but didn't:
: "Faithful representation is NOT art."
Some work can look representational and have a very strong interpreted
element as well. In portraiture there are often exaggerated elements
(some caricature) to achieve a likeness.
So exactly what is "Faithful representation"? I still think that
there is room for representational work in the realm that we call "art"
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TexMexTamale
>: "Faithful representation is NOT art."
>
>Some work can look representational and have a very strong interpreted
>element as well. In portraiture there are often exaggerated elements
>(some caricature) to achieve a likeness.
>
>So exactly what is "Faithful representation"?
Well, as I said, I didn't say it, but what you say is a pretty good
interpretation of what I think the originator meant. I'm inclined to think
that the quote is by Chas. Burchfield, and if you know his work, you
know examples of an artist representing his real world in NOT faithful
representational depictions.
Nuff Sed?
Tejano Tess.
Wray Kephart
X In article <D9ww3...@world.std.com>, tp...@world.std.com says...
X >: "Faithful representation is NOT art."
X >
X >Some work can look representational and have a very strong interpreted
X >element as well. In portraiture there are often exaggerated elements
X >(some caricature) to achieve a likeness.
X >
X >So exactly what is "Faithful representation"?
X Well, as I said, I didn't say it, but what you say is a pretty good
X interpretation of what I think the originator meant. I'm inclined to think
X that the quote is by Chas. Burchfield, and if you know his work, you
X know examples of an artist representing his real world in NOT faithful
X representational depictions.
Being that Burchfield was a visionary I dont understand why youd use him
for an example; <but if you insist> Wm. Blake <also a visionary> would be a
better one.
That doesnt sound like Burchfield, never thought of him as an analytical
visionary; <looking strickly at his work>; he used the most convenient
subject matter <backyard forest> available to him. Regardless what he
depicted; buildings/trees they were forms for his pathological need to
depict 'holy or evil circumstances' within a landscape.
Not like Wm. Blake, whos work sometimes seems studied or forced because
figurative/landscape depictions come secondary to the illustrated event;
"The Great Red Dragon and the Beast from the Sea". 1803-5. Burchfield
never illustrated in this way; he was more interested in the forms
themselves, and by indirect design wound up bullseyed or symetrical in the
center of a watercolor similar to Blake but not contrived as such.
<forced into another area; this thread has no value other than
expressing general appreciations for representation vs non representational
art> anyone familiar with Blake, Burchfield and Il add another--
Casper David Friedrich for evaluation of similar intent otherwise Il start
on a doctorite thesis.
Kephart