Unknown artists
Lisa
about any of the artists. I am hoping someone will have some
information to help me. I have a beautiful flowerl painting by a M.
Lister, a seascape by Amos Carr, a mountain scene by W. Ringwood and
another one by Joyce Rogers.
Please if anyone has any history or background of these fantastic
artists, let me know. I would like to place some history on the back
of them and pass them to my granddaughters.
Thank you
Lisa Merchant
lmerc...@attbi.com
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Duchas de Abril
lmerc...@attbi.com says...
>
>I have bought a few oil paintings and have no idea how to find out
>about any of the artists.
Why didn't you ask the person or gallery
or shop you bought them from??? Or are
you one of those who makes the weekend
garage sales???
blueb...@yahoo.ca
wrote:
Am I missing something here? Why not make the weekend garage
sales?
Duchas de Abril
says...
> Am I missing something here? Why not make the weekend garage
>sales?
Yes, you missed the question being asked
and took my return question to another context.
No one said a word denigrating weekend
garage sales or those shopping them. My
remark was intended to ask the original
questioner a question in return. If the
paintings in question were bought long
ago, at a garage sale, etc then it will
be nearly impossible to find information
on unkown artists - unless the artists
are still living in this person's locale.
Lisa
Yes, I am a weekend cruisader. But I usually go to estate sales to
purchase my art work. I am also an up and coming oil painter in my
own right and even though some of my paintings might go up at a garage
sale. Hopefully, I will become famous and the person at that garage
sale becomes rich.
The one I am most interested in is my Lister. I spoke to a curator at
a French museum who has one M. Lister painting there.
But thanks all, any help or input as been appreciated.
Bob and Dale Ford
by Picasso that my mom picked up at a rummage sale at a Church. She thought
I could use the frame paid 35 cents value 1500-2000 US $$$.
(Mani would love this story the other ladies were going to throw it in the
garbage as no one wanted it after two days. My mom thought I could use the
frame as it is about the size of a full sheet of water colour. She was going
throw the litho in the garbage and put one of my paintings in there for me
but didn't have time too. She apologizes for the lousy image and I look at
it and laugh "Mom it is a Picasso". I hang it in the laundry room because I
figure it is just some reproduction. I eventually realize that the cheap
repro is on very thick rag paper and poof a little more time and effort and
no it is a real print.)
Nothing wrong with where you buy the stuff (as long as it is legit). And
honestly if you like the painting who really cares who painted it. Good
paintings go for good money despite not being signed. Quality counts, always
has.
Numerous data bases exist on line for various artist. Check them out maybe
you have the deal of the century.
I missed most of this thread sorry if I drift off topic. I am pre-occupied
with other events. A stupid accident has taken my focus and I hope not too
too much more.
Dale
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Discussion
I am reminded of the valuations placed on original letters an books,
even though none has any visual value. Are we are into some sort of
historic value ?
I was wondering if you should not have felt the Picasso stood out for it's
visual impact, if it had any artistic value.
I am reminded of the forthcoming sale of a Monet (the usual view) which
is thought to be valued/priced at something like 20 million GB pounds.
Monet made around 46 views of his garden. I am still trying to understand
what makes a valued painting for people other than a true passion for
the visual impact. Artists make paintings that have varying quality, and
each must have it's own justification for being, and not just because it
has a signature.
N.H
"Bob and Dale Ford" <bdf...@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Duchas de Abril
go...@away.dot.for.good.dotcom says...
>Artists make paintings that have varying quality, and
>each must have it's own justification for being, and not just because it
>has a signature.
>N.H
I think otherwise when it's a BIG-name artist
such as Monet, who you use as your example.
As long as a hen scratch can be authenticated
as being a real Monet, it will have value to some
collector. And it's what anyone
is willing to pay for a famous artist's work
that sets the subsequent market value for that
work, should it re-sell at some future date.
The foregoing does NOT apply to some unknown
artist. Just because some collector might
pay a huge sum for an unknown's work does not
mean it will resell for the same price. More
likely it will be resold for far less, if at all.
And before I get jumped all over on this,
let me make it clear that I know there are exceptions
to every eventuality.
As for finding lost treasures at garage sales,
which is what this thread is basically all about,
it happens all the time. At least I've read
or heard of many instances where someone found
a real treasure that the seller thought was
junk or worthless. And for every unrecognized
treasure out there, you would have to wade
through a ton of REAL junk to find it if you
are doing a deliberate search. Of course people
who make it to garage sales every weekend will
confirm that "one person's trash is another
person's treasure." And it's a great fun hobby
if you have room for all the stuff that catches
your fancy!
Jiri Borsky
(snip)
> As for finding lost treasures at garage sales,
> which is what this thread is basically all about,
> it happens all the time. At least I've read
> or heard of many instances where someone found
> a real treasure that the seller thought was
> junk or worthless. And for every unrecognized
> treasure out there, you would have to wade
> through a ton of REAL junk to find it if you
> are doing a deliberate search. Of course people
> who make it to garage sales every weekend will
> confirm that "one person's trash is another
> person's treasure." And it's a great fun hobby
> if you have room for all the stuff that catches
> your fancy!
When I had to supplement my work by teaching (Adult Education in UK),
I did a watercolour of myself lecturing to a group, and projecting
a slide of 'Blind Leading the Blind' by P Brueghel. It was bought by
one of my elderly students; she requested it for her birthday present.
After she had passed away, her cottage and contents were sold to a
middle-aged couple. The wife did not like the watercolour and it was thrown
into the garage, where it spent several (lonely?) years.
Eventually, the husband having nothing better to do, took the work to the
local gallery to enquire its worth. He was surprised to learn he could earn
a bob or two, and so he left the picture there on SoR. The mount (matt) had
to be changed as it suffered from damp, otherwise everything was fine.
I was undecided about my feelings about it all. I have already been paid
for this work, yet it was on the market again, for a greater sum. In the
end I reconciled myself with the fact that there may be a secondary market
in my work (more cases followed).
The reality being stranger than fiction: The piece was bought by a medical
doctor/professor, who liked the theme of Blind Leading the Blind. She and
her family moved into a house next door - we are firm friends now!
- - -
OK, now I overdo the credibility threshold for some: The one painting I get
most enquiries about from my web-site (no spam here, most are already sold)
was bought, again without knowing anything about me, by the new neighbours
on the other side. Also a MD!
Well, it was bought by his wife, who now has left him. And he is MD no more.
Recently struck from the Medical Register for 3 months for dealing in Viagra
over the Internet. We suspected he was testing it on himself beforehand, as we
were frequently awoken by .... need I go on?
Ars longa, vita brevis.
Jiri Borsky
http://www.borsky.dial.pipex.com/
Andrew Werby
"Jiri Borsky" <bor...@dialz.pipexz.comz> wrote >
[I'll go on-
The wife takes the painting with her to Cuernavaca, where her family has a
small villa, seeking only rest. She hangs the picture where it can be seen
from the street. A passing bullfighter is startled to see it, and when she
intercepts his stare, he's lost. Although soaked nightly in gore, he's
actually a shy retiring fellow, who always wanted to be an artist...
Meanwhile the disgraced doctor is haunted by the disappearing image of the
vanished picture, which seems to him to symbolize the best part of his lost
marriage. You see him sketching, in the ashes of his cold hearth, trying to
remember what it looked like. Frustrated with his poor draughtsmanship and
faulty visual memory, he rubs out his attempt with scuffing motions of his
feet. He turns on the TV - a bullfighter is gored by a bull. He hears a
woman scream, and the spotlights pick out a woman standing in a crowd,
riven with horror. It's his wife! Suddenly he remembers the picture clearly,
vividly...]
Andrew Werby
http://unitedartworks.com
Lisa
It has been amazing to me,the travels that my originial posting has
made.
Thanks to Bob and Don Ford for words of incouragement. That is what I
wish for some of my works. Every one of my friends owns one of my
very first pieces. Asking them why they preferred my first ones,
(that were not very good) when I would be happy to give them a new
one. Painted for them, in the color schemes that they chose. Every
one of them told me that they wanted those because when, and they all
agreed on saying when, not if, I become famous, those first works
would be worth much more. Then there is always the one friend that
has to point out that a majority of famous artist, usually become
famous once they die, (So I thought more then twice about giving her
a picture.) Anyhow, the whole basis on my original posting is to find
out about each and every unknown artist and backgrounds. I am opening
a shop in my hometown this summer and will be featuring the art work
and crafts of local homegrown, unknown artist. But with every piece I
sell, I hope to also include a biography of the creator.
I think everyone that has art, does art or appreciates art, should
know the history of each and every piece.
But thanks for some interesting thoughts, points of view and
delightful tales.
Keep them coming.
Lisa
Duchas de Abril
lmerc...@attbi.com says...
>Anyhow, the whole basis on my original posting is to find
>out about each and every unknown artist and backgrounds.
You've set yourself an impossible task, IMO.
I don't know about you and your experiences,
but every third person I meet today is some
sort of artist - or is someone who calls themself
an artist - usually meaning they dabble at it
on weekends, etc. But good luck in your monumental
endeavor...
Lisa
Well, I really don't know if you would consider my work dabbling as I
work for at least two or three hours an evening on my works. And since
I have just been offer a freelance position to do designs on wine
bottles, soon I won't have to consider myself an amature. So I
consider an artist, someone who does well at whatever and works hard
and diligently to become better. So you see, step one is out of the
way..
Peace
Duchas de Abril
>Well, I really don't know if you would consider my work dabbling as I
>work for at least two or three hours an evening on my works.
You're taking this out of context and applying it
to yourself. I was NOT addressing your work but
your desire to document "unknown artists" - which
implies encompassing LEGIONS of them.
Lisa
Ooops, my bad. Sorry misunderstood. Yes, in that aspected I agree. I
do have a hard job ahead of me. But one that I will accomplish.
Peace
James Glenn
http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/ulan/index.html
There are also tools available at your local university library. Ask a
reference librarian to assist, preferably one with subject experitse in
art and art history.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
James M. Glenn
SilverPointWeb.Com
Lisa
> Try the Union List of Artists Names at the Getty:
>
> http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/ulan/index.html
>
> There are also tools available at your local university library. Ask a
> reference librarian to assist, preferably one with subject experitse in
> art and art history.
Thank you very much Mr. Glenn. I appreciate your help.
Lisa
It's me again, the garage sale art buyer. Today I bought an original
pencil drawing of the marx's brothers. It has different scene's from
different movies. The artist is Banse, and it was drawn in 1975.
Anyone who is interested in the Marx's brothers would flip over this
piece. If there was a way to download a picture in here, believe me I
would. I bought this piece for $5. Pretty cool huh!!