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Amontessoric

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Jun 25, 2002, 10:57:59 PM6/25/02
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NEW! Art Instruction Curriculum and Resources for Home and School Classrooms

The following is provided by arist and author Judith Albright:

About - Learn to See, Learn to Draw

"As an art teacher, I know that anyone who wants to draw can--it is simply a
matter of interest and opportunity. So many parents I talk to did not have
that opportunity as children. Even if they did, too many were discouraged by
well-meaning teachers, family or friends who convinced them they were not
"talented." I do not want this to happen to yet another generation of
children.

My intention in writing "Learn to See, Learn to Draw" is to encourage
children of all ages (and adults) to explore their natural drawing ability.
Unlike other drawing books that provide instruction on how to draw a
specific way or draw a specific thing, my book begins at the point when a
pencil is placed on paper and the first mark is made. Students see immediate
success through a series of progressive exercises that are fun and easily
accomplished. Each lesson provides a verbal explanation of the concept,
followed by visual illustrations and finally, a hands-on exercise.

Because we must learn to "see" before we can draw well, the emphasis in the
beginning of the workbook is on improving eye/hand coordination. Subsequent
exercises progress through capturing movement and space, light and shadow,
depth and distance, and adding color. The final section focuses on putting
all the lessons together to create a pleasing composition." See
<A
HREF="http://www.notebookpublications.com/">http://www.notebookpublication
s.com/</A> for additional information.

About - How to Teach Drawing When You Are Not An Art Teacher - A Complete
Drawing Curriculum on CD


This workbook on CD is intended to serve as a teaching aid for those of you
who may find yourself in this situation. It concentrates on building a
foundation in art through drawing, which is the basis for all the visual
arts. A complete drawing curriculum for an entire school year (or years),
depending on the age of the children is provided. Lessons and exercises are
sequential and can be taught in segments or incorporated into other projects
and activities as time and opportunity allow. Children as young as nine can
master the concepts and exercises in the first chapters of the book. Later
chapters may work better with older children. Middle school students
andolder teens can easily master the entire set of lessons.

Make drawing a part of your child's life. For more ordering and other
information please visit <A
HREF="http://www.notebookpublications.com/">http://www.notebookpublication
s.com/</A>

**************
For additional art resources please visit
<A
HREF="http://www.amonco.org/art_resources.html">http://www.amonco.org/art_
resources.html</A>

and

<A
HREF="http://www.amonco.org/crafts_resources.html">http://www.amonco.org/c
rafts_resources.html</A>

Sincerely,

Frances Henderson, Manager
American Montessori Consulting
<A HREF="http://www.amonco.org">http://www.amonco.org</A>
Serving School and Home Educators Since 1988


mdeli

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Jun 26, 2002, 2:26:48 PM6/26/02
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On 26 Jun 2002 02:57:59 GMT, amonte...@aol.com (Amontessoric)
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>Because we must learn to "see" before we can draw well, the emphasis in the
>beginning of the workbook is on improving eye/hand coordination.

No one needs to learn how to see in any literal sense. What one needs
to learn is what to look for and what to do with that. What counts is
learning how to interpret what you see or can imagine into drawing and
painting which will attract the viewer.

The term "learning to see," in this context is art school double-talk
which infers that the student who learns to see teaches himself how to
draw rather than the teacher teaching anything much about drawing. You
can go to most art schools and see the results.

Those who have trouble seeing should visit an eye doctor." The term
"learning to see" as an aphorism which contains no information. I
recall that Michelangelo said something to the order that the
sculpture is in the block, all one has to do is cut it out.

That is usually the amount of information one gets in most art
schools.

Any critical forgiveness for a lack of skill and craftsmanship is due to a temporary surrender to fashion.

...no skill no art..
.
Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page

http://www3.sympatico.ca/manideli/

Nerd Gerl

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Jun 26, 2002, 3:43:36 PM6/26/02
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>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)

>On 26 Jun 2002 02:57:59 GMT, amonte...@aol.com (Amontessoric)
>wrote:
>
>>Because we must learn to "see" before we can draw well, the emphasis in the
>>beginning of the workbook is on improving eye/hand coordination.
>
>No one needs to learn how to see in any literal sense. What one needs
>to learn is what to look for and what to do with that. What counts is
>learning how to interpret what you see or can imagine into drawing and
>painting which will attract the viewer.

Don't you think the skill you described above comes AFTER learning to see? I
was under the impression that the original poster was pleading to teachers of
BEGINNING art students.

There IS a skill in seeing as an artist. No need to confuse the issue with
"learning what to look for" or "interpreting." It all means the same damned
thing - which is to SEE.

>The term "learning to see," in this context is art school double-talk
>which infers that the student who learns to see teaches himself how to
>draw rather than the teacher teaching anything much about drawing.

<snip>

>The term
>"learning to see" as an aphorism which contains no information.

I beg to differ. It contains the difference between an accurately drawn sphere
vs. a distorted scribbled-in circle.


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mdeli

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Jun 26, 2002, 7:30:33 PM6/26/02
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(Nerd Gerl) wrote:

>>>Because we must learn to "see" before we can draw well, the emphasis in the
>>>beginning of the workbook is on improving eye/hand coordination.

Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see
than music is about learning to hear.

One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.

Nerd Gerl

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Jun 26, 2002, 7:34:51 PM6/26/02
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>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)

>Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see
>than music is about learning to hear.
>
>One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.

Evident from the horrid auditions we've all heard on the American Idol music
contest.

Are you so boldly saying that learning to listen is unnecessary to learn how to
play an instrument??

Surely you jest.

==========
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See In Person @ MatrixArts Space | Sacramento, CA
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Leigh

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Jun 26, 2002, 8:10:44 PM6/26/02
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"mdeli" <n...@mail.com> wrote

>
> Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see
> than music is about learning to hear.
>
> One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.

Wrong! Appreciation is the key. Learning to draw/see, or learning to
hear/appreciate are vital to understanding what could otherwise be
considered chaos.

L.


Discussion

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Jun 27, 2002, 4:17:08 AM6/27/02
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Interesting, music lovers seperate into different groups.
Trained musicians seem to me to have a different requirement
for listening. Perhaps they are looking for technical prowess in both
the performance and the writing.
The rest of us, just let our ears and heart be the judge.
There is room for both, and each has something to share.
If music were solely written for the smaller
first group, then the world of music would be a very small place.
There is a certain snobbery about some of the trained musicians,
having heard them at concert intervals. They seem intent
upon loudly broadcasting their knowledge. Pretty pathetic.
Let us hope the world of Fine Art does not find itself in the same spot.
N.H

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> (Nerd Gerl) wrote:
>
>
> One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.
>

William Barkin

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Jun 27, 2002, 11:44:59 AM6/27/02
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Mani, you are so fucking wrong...you got your head up your ass on this
one...you have no experience with music education...be it classical or
jazz...because if you did you would see the downright absurdity of your
statement...tell me what the fuck do you know about music education? Who
have you studied with? I know and have studied with a number of
professional musicians (not teachers mind you). I also play
professionally...the first thing a performing musician teaches a student is
HOW to hear. You got that?
What a stupid statement on your part...why don't you take the Summer off and
re group...

-Bill

--------------------------
William Barkin - Fine Artist
Online Portfolio
http://www.bcn.net/~wbarkin


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[snip] Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see

William Barkin

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Jun 27, 2002, 1:22:31 PM6/27/02
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Go fuck yourself Dan...what the fuck do you know...Mani has your work pegged
to a tee...judging from your work, you wouldn't know good from bad...my
advice...go piss up a rope and suck on the wet end...

--------------------------
William Barkin - Fine Artist
Online Portfolio
http://www.bcn.net/~wbarkin

----- Original Message -----

From: "Dan Fox" <danf...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: NEW! Art Instruction Curriculum and Resources for Home and
School Classrooms

[snip]
> I looked at your website, and I have to tell you that your art is some of
> the worst I've seen outside of an outdoor "art in the park" fair. It's not
> that it's attempted 'realism' - the key word here is 'good'. It is just
> very bad work. Reminds me of mall art (genuine oil painting, $49.95,
framed
> ....) The drawing is bad, the composition boring, and the color and values
> largely incorrect. I strongly suggest you get some good teaching. Also,
> study the work of Edward Hopper, Grant Wood, and other great realists,
> including the so-called 'old masters.' I see from your site you live in
> Western Mass - come into Boston to the MFA, and also the Fogg at Harvard
in
> Cambridge and spend some time with the best.


mdeli

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Jun 27, 2002, 3:43:51 PM6/27/02
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:44:59 -0400, "William Barkin" <wba...@bcn.net>
wrote:

>> Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see
>> than music is about learning to hear.
>>
>> One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.
>

>What a stupid statement on your part...why don't you take the Summer off and
>re group...
>

Fine tell us what you were taught when you first "learned to see."

And don't tell us what you might have been taught to notice or
interpret or analyze. Also tell us how you see better than others who
haven't learned to "see."

I presume the moment you got your music lessons you spent loads of
time learning to hear.

Did you also take a course in learning to Piss?

mdeli

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Jun 27, 2002, 5:19:28 PM6/27/02
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(Dan Pedigreed Fox) wrote:

>Mani was apparently born with his head up his ass. My take on him is that
>he makes his ridiculous statements simply to draw attention to himself (he
>apparently doesn't have a life). Nobody with enough brain cells to turn on
>a computer could possibly believe that seeing has nothing to do with art,
>etc.

Fox is too stupid to carefully read a statement. I wonder where he
read that I believe, "that seeing has nothing to do with art."

Fox, with the aid of his certified pedigree in university seeing
lessons, has progressed to skills that are beginning to compete with a
below average chimpanzee.

Do check out how these lessons have influenced his third rate
furniture store abstraction.

Leigh

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Jun 27, 2002, 8:08:18 PM6/27/02
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"mdeli" <n...@mail.com> wrote in > >

>
> Fine tell us what you were taught when you first "learned to see."

I have helped many non artists understand what negative space is. This is
not something everyone automatically knows as regards to art.

L.


William Barkin

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Jun 28, 2002, 9:11:20 AM6/28/02
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Mani...go talk to a music educator...you don't know what your talking
about...the concept of "learning to hear" is called Ear Training...ever
HEAR of that?...what a moron.

--------------------------
William Barkin - Fine Artist
Online Portfolio
http://www.bcn.net/~wbarkin
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mdeli

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:25:14 PM6/28/02
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You are talking about how you taught students to observe something.
That is not teaching anyone to see.

mdeli

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:33:16 PM6/28/02
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On 26 Jun 2002 23:34:51 GMT, nerd...@aol.combounces (Nerd Gerl)
wrote:

>>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)
>
>>Put it another way, learning to draw is no more about learning to see
>>than music is about learning to hear.
>>
>>One doesn't take music lessons in order to learn to hear.
>
>Evident from the horrid auditions we've all heard on the American Idol music
>contest.
>
>Are you so boldly saying that learning to listen is unnecessary to learn how to
>play an instrument??
>
>Surely you jest.

Learning to listen is not learning to hear.

Leigh

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Jun 28, 2002, 10:17:15 PM6/28/02
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"mdeli" <n...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:3d1d19d6...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...

> On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:08:18 -0500, "Leigh" <le...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> Fine tell us what you were taught when you first "learned to see."
> >
> >I have helped many non artists understand what negative space is. This is
> >not something everyone automatically knows as regards to art.
> >
> You are talking about how you taught students to observe something.
> That is not teaching anyone to see.

There are those who cannot be made to 'see' anything beyond their own
stubborn view.

L.

mdeli

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Jun 29, 2002, 2:14:51 PM6/29/02
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On 26 Jun 2002 23:34:51 GMT, nerd...@aol.combounces (Nerd Gerl)
wrote:

>Portfolio of Nude Angels: http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl


>See In Person @ MatrixArts Space | Sacramento, CA
>E- Portfolio: http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/nangels.zip
>

All I get here is a few thumnails and a clunky view of a sloppy copy
of Ingres La Source and then things crap out.

I guess even you can't help liking fine 19th century artwork.

Nerd Gerl

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Jun 29, 2002, 6:58:33 PM6/29/02
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>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)

>All I get here is a few thumnails and a clunky view of a sloppy copy
>of Ingres La Source and then things crap out.

What do you mean by "crap out"?

>I guess even you can't help liking fine 19th century artwork.

Huh?? I never said anything to imply otherwise (I don't think.) I love the work
of the old masters and it is my goal to one day reach their skill(s).

???

==========

mdeli

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Jun 30, 2002, 3:35:35 PM6/30/02
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On 29 Jun 2002 22:58:33 GMT, nerd...@aol.combounces (Nerd Gerl)
wrote:

>>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)


>
>>All I get here is a few thumnails and a clunky view of a sloppy copy
>>of Ingres La Source and then things crap out.
>
>What do you mean by "crap out"?

Ather the front page the "would you like to subscribe" window comes
up and I can go no further.

>>I guess even you can't help liking fine 19th century artwork.
>
>Huh?? I never said anything to imply otherwise (I don't think.) I love the work
>of the old masters and it is my goal to one day reach their skill(s).

Keep up your learning to see. Perhaps you will eventually learn to
draw.

Nerd Gerl

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Jun 30, 2002, 4:33:33 PM6/30/02
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>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)

>Keep up your learning to see. Perhaps you will eventually learn to
>draw.


But I am not learning to see. This original thread started with some other
person promoting lessons on how to see. You attacked this approach to drawing -
I defended it. I did not say I was learning to see.

Remember?

Anyway thanks for your comments on the website. I'll have to see what the hell
is "crapping it out."


>Any critical forgiveness for a lack of skill and craftsmanship is due to a
>temporary surrender to fashion.
>
>...no skill no art..
>.
>Tired of Modern Art? Check out my web page
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/manideli/

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mdeli

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Jul 1, 2002, 12:18:18 AM7/1/02
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On 30 Jun 2002 20:33:33 GMT, nerd...@aol.combounces (Nerd Gerl)
wrote:

>Anyway thanks for your comments on the website. I'll have to see what the hell
>is "crapping it out."
>
Please tell me if I'm correct about this or it is something wrong on
my end. Thanks!

Nerd Gerl

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Jul 1, 2002, 12:43:20 AM7/1/02
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>From: n...@mail.com (mdeli)

>Please tell me if I'm correct about this or it is something wrong on
>my end. Thanks!

No. It's my screwed up html code. I've received complaints from others. Few
complaints. But still...

Gotta fix it.

Noumenon

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Jul 2, 2002, 5:44:40 AM7/2/02
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I did not check what is the problem, but seems that some javascript is
screwed up.
Netscape gets kicked out because something can not find "mailto.exe" file
???
--report: "Object MOVED"

(Can't be! Nobody ever uses or links any EXE files to active web site
contents.)
more likely "mailto" (javascript command) is used in wrong context...

I couldn't even get into your website
until I've disabled javascript in my browser.

After that - browsing was OK.

You'd better fix it.


-=Noumenon=-

Nerd Gerl

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Jul 2, 2002, 12:07:29 PM7/2/02
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>From: Noumenon <ArtE...@concentric.net>

>(Can't be! Nobody ever uses or links any EXE files to active web site
>contents.)
>more likely "mailto" (javascript command) is used in wrong context...

Nah... I have the script to kick me an email everytime a certain page is
accessed.

I'm gettin' rid of it.

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