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andy gee

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Feb 28, 2006, 12:11:30 AM2/28/06
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I actually don't know what the title is but that's what I decided to call
it.

From the latest update at www.graffitirider.blogspot.com

A universe under a dank viaduct in Woodside, Queens, New York, with many
treasures. A wasted opportunity to do a good architrave, some brave
philosophy on the wall, a shot of the long range graffitimobile (a zero
emission vehicle) and a Let's make a Deal bonus.

For those who like the writing on the wall, mene mene tekel upharsin.

--ag

artangel

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Feb 28, 2006, 11:25:49 AM2/28/06
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I really like the first picture. Where in Queens is it located.

Have you been to the studio building across from PS1?

Its been two years since I was there. I wonder if it still exists.

CB

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Feb 28, 2006, 11:45:20 AM2/28/06
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andy gee wrote:
> I actually don't know what the title is but that's what I decided to call
> it.
>

"O Fortune, Empress of the World."
It's the title of the first section of Carl Orff's choral work Carmina
Burana. A wonderful piece of music that people seem only to recognize
these days, like Beethoven's 9th, because of its commercial misuse. Oh
well....

CB

Andy Gee

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Feb 28, 2006, 6:41:40 PM2/28/06
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"artangel" <cityofim...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:1141143949.5...@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> I really like the first picture. Where in Queens is it located.
>
> Have you been to the studio building across from PS1?
>
> Its been two years since I was there. I wonder if it still exists.
>

As you travel North from Maspeth along 58th St, you will arrive at a
viaduct under the LIE. That's the spot. I have more stuff and some detail
shots as well that I didn't post on the blog, if you want them.

Sadly, I've never been to PS1. I used to avoid Queens at all costs but
this project pushed me from Manhattan to Brooklyn, a natural progression,
but then to the badlands of Queens. Next time I ride by I'll see if it's
there.

Thanks for the feedback!

--ag

Andy Gee

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Feb 28, 2006, 6:46:24 PM2/28/06
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"CB" <caldwell...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Well, I put in the comma to add a second person, and the "and friend" for
the third. I think the first commercial use of the movement was entirely
appropriate -- it was a commercial for a high-end, high volume sound system
and showed the listener with his hair and skin pulled back like he was in a
g-force testing device. But yes, it's over used. A pity, because I think
Carmina Burana prefigures the concept of the "Rock Opera" or the theme
album. I wonder if one of our friends here will have some comment on
Orff's background ;)

As long as we're on the subject of "popular" classical, is there an
equivalent of Bugs Bunny music in the art world?

And what did you think of the shots?

--ag

artangel

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Feb 28, 2006, 7:50:31 PM2/28/06
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"As long as we're on the subject of "popular" classical, is there an
equivalent of Bugs Bunny music in the art world?"

Impressionism.

"Sadly, I've never been to PS1. I used to avoid Queens at all costs
but
this project pushed me from Manhattan to Brooklyn, a natural
progression,
but then to the badlands of Queens. Next time I ride by I'll see if
it's
there."

You must go. That is an order!
The building I am talking about is directly across from PS1. It is a
large old factory building covered from roof top to the street with
some of the most extraordinary graffitti I have ever seen. The
courtyard in the building is spectacular. Its where many of the
graffitti artists have their studios. You can walk right in and have a
chat.

As I said before, It has been two years since I have been, so it could
have been replaced by a condo tower by now. (Well, you still have PS1
so the trip will be worth it.) lThe views of Manhattan are breathtaking
from there.

The #7 train from Grand Central will take you to its door in 20
minutes, (I think the stop is Courthouse Square)

GO RIGHT NOW! BEFORE ITS GONE!

CB

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Feb 28, 2006, 9:03:07 PM2/28/06
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"Andy Gee" <and...@getridofthis.interport.net> wrote in message
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> Well, I put in the comma to add a second person, and the "and friend" for
> the third. I think the first commercial use of the movement was entirely
> appropriate -- it was a commercial for a high-end, high volume sound
system
> and showed the listener with his hair and skin pulled back like he was in
a
> g-force testing device. But yes, it's over used. A pity, because I think
> Carmina Burana prefigures the concept of the "Rock Opera" or the theme
> album. I wonder if one of our friends here will have some comment on
> Orff's background ;)
>

The last time I saw Carmina Burana performed was rather amusing - a large
part of the chorus was from a Baptist children's choir. They sang
wonderfully, but the whole time one wondered if the text had been explained
to their parents.....

> As long as we're on the subject of "popular" classical, is there an
> equivalent of Bugs Bunny music in the art world?

Hmmm, good question - Bugs (painlessly) introduced several generations to
the wonders of classical music; there's times I think that the guys who put
together the cartoon were some of the few who really understood what
classical music was all about (i.e., not about getting bored to tears in a
stuffed-shirted audience....)


>
> And what did you think of the shots?
>

The photos are good, the subjects I find rather tedious.- the graffitti is
the sort a graphic design student might come up with for entertainment. It's
eye-catching but ultimately forgettable - not something that my eye would
linger over, or that I would be drawn back to look at again.(from my own
very subjective POV, of course!).

To me, something to be art has to be more than that; there has to be some
manner in which it sets up a resonance with the viewer, something that
sparks a sense of wonder, or maybe a desire for greater awareness; a sense
of life being larger than how we normally see it; any number of things. Of
course that depends very much on what both the artist and the viewer bring
to the table - so maybe this sort of graffitti art works for you & not for
me....

Cheers;
Chris

> --ag


Bill

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Mar 1, 2006, 10:42:18 AM3/1/06
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"artangel" <cityofim...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I really like the first picture. Where in Queens is it located.

I looked at the first two pictures but that's all. What was it that
you liked ? Is that the way you see the world around you ? Filled with
anger, bitterness, hatred and dripping with venom ? And if you see it that
way, why would you wish to encourage others to adopt your view ? Anger
begets anger. Hatred begets hatred. No one needs to rush around lighting
candles, but rushing around cursing the darkness is sick, sick, sick. You
have my pity. And so does New York.

Bill.


artangel

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Mar 1, 2006, 7:02:41 PM3/1/06
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Bill,

Thank you for sharing that bit of autobiography.

No need for pity, New York and I are doing just fine.

andy gee

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Mar 2, 2006, 12:40:47 PM3/2/06
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"artangel" <cityofim...@verizon.net> wrote in
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> Bill,
>
> Thank you for sharing that bit of autobiography.
>
> No need for pity, New York and I are doing just fine.
>
>

That was some interpretation. Fortuna (left, lower) is laughing and
showering energy on the world; Imperatrix Mundi is smiling. Imperatrix is
identified by the I Ching hexagram inscribed on her head, hexagram 1,
"Creative" or "Heaven." Their friend, in the detail photo below, is
dancing.

Did anyone else perceive anger in these shots?

--ag

Andy Gee

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Mar 2, 2006, 9:15:59 PM3/2/06
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"CB" <caldwell...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> To me, something to be art has to be more than that; there has to be
> some manner in which it sets up a resonance with the viewer, something
> that sparks a sense of wonder, or maybe a desire for greater
> awareness; a sense of life being larger than how we normally see it;
> any number of things. Of course that depends very much on what both
> the artist and the viewer bring to the table - so maybe this sort of
> graffitti art works for you & not for

Thanks, this is exactly the kind of feedback I need and you've described
precisely what I'm looking for. There are two conceivable possibilities
for really finding what I'm looking for. First is if someone takes some
spray paint and sharpies and puts a really good painting on the side of a
building somewhere. The second is if someone uses the medium of graffiti
to reach a truly new level. In this second case, the entire borough or
city becomes the "canvas" and the set of distributed tags is the single
work. The situation becomes more complicated because many works exist on
the canvas at the same time.

For the piece under discussion, at first I thought it might have been a guy
who custom paints vans doing some practice work, but then it struck a chord
with me -- there were jokes and figures of speech, so to speak, contained
in it. I may take along a real camera next time, wait for the light to be
right, and see if I can get a panoramic of the entire piece at one time.

--ag

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