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and I have included tutorials on how I create art. It's fun and informative.
Diana
http://dianalee.com
Mattison wrote:
> So everyone seems to think all the art sites offer not much nada nothing
> forget it etc. not one of yougot back with a list of art sites that are
> worth our whiles!
>
> Is not there anyone out there with any sites at all ?
>
> What is causing this clutter of visual midiocrity ?
>
> What do we as artists really need on a site ?
>
> What do we as viewers need for a good site ?
>
> What do artists think is a good site ?
>
> What do geeks think is a good site ?
>
> Since we are not getting any reccomendations of great sites then it says
> there is discrepency in the above is that not correct ?
>
> Mattison Fitzgerald
> Artist
> http://www.rhinodev.com/M
Mattison
Charles Eicher
> So everyone seems to think all the art sites offer not much nada nothing
> forget it etc. not one of yougot back with a list of art sites that are
> worth our whiles!
>
> Is not there anyone out there with any sites at all ?
Not me.
> What is causing this clutter of visual midiocrity ?
Its the old "90% rule" - "90% of everything is crap." But in this case,
we've got an explosion of new sites devoted to the work that falls in that
90%. The 10%ers don't want any part of it.
There's a saying attributed to Linus Torvalds (Linux author) who said,
"Real geeks don't do backups, they just put up a FTP site, and if its
important enough, everyone will mirror it." In a similar way, real artists
don't do websites, if their work is important enough, someone else will
collect it and put it on a website.
> What do we as artists really need on a site ?
Higher display rez, something about 5 times the rez of HDTV. Don't expect
this anytime soon.
> What do we as viewers need for a good site ?
What, the average Joe Schmoe in the street? He needs an education,
including lots of viewing of artworks live and in person in museums,
galleries, and studios. THEN maybe he's prepared to look at art, live, or
on the web.
> What do artists think is a good site ?
I like shopping for supplies online, and tech sites (usually text sites)
that relate to technical issues. I occasionally find research sites of
interest, although most of the best research databases are not available
freely on the net. But mostly, I just like to read the news online. CNN,
NYTimes, Asahi Shimbun, BBC, NHK, etc etc. I need a constant flow of
irrelevant information. I think it was Bruce Sterling who once said
something to the effect that "Bad mass-media will exorcise your semiotic
demons."
> What do geeks think is a good site ?
Geeks like sites like slashdot.org.. They spend their time endlessly
analyzing the latest Star Wars movie trailer, or engaging in flamewars over
which version of Unix is best. Keep these geeks FAR away from artists. They
are philistines of the worst sort.
> Since we are not getting any reccomendations of great sites then it says
> there is discrepency in the above is that not correct ?
Huh?
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Charles Eicher
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cei...@inav.net
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Over...@artcenter.com
Couldn't have said it better myself! The law you're referring to is
attributed to the late science fiction writer Theodore Sturgeon who, when
told that ninety percent of science fiction is shit, responded that,
*Ninety percent of everything is shit.*
Also, the web seems to be the electronic
equivalent of a frame gallery (a store that does framing and shows amateur
crap paintings). But, to be fair, there are damn few good artists anywhere.
The director of one gallery I'm in advised me *not* to get a website -
that it would be bad for my reputation - like showing in a
coffeehouse, I suppose.
We absolutely need education in the arts for everyone - but we're not
going to get it, at least not in this country (US). It is very
profitable to sell large quantities of bad art, bad books, and pop music
to a culturally illiterate mass. If people were arts-educated they would
start demanding quality - and that is very difficult to come by. Also,
every dollar spent on education is a dollar that could've gone into a
businessman's pocket.
What do I, as an artist, like on the web? Shopping for new and out-print-
books. It has changed my life, since I read a lot. (I buy my supplies
at Utrecht, which is a quick subway ride from my studio. I can also
order over the phone.)
I seldom look at artist's sites. I looked at one site posted here just
before I read your post (Diane somebody?) - the same predictable, amateur
work.
Thanks for a great post. Like to hear more of your opinions on art and
artists.
Overlord
cort
It is so wonderful to hear these issues being addressed. I am writing from
artistpoint.com, a brand new, developing site which is geared specifically
to you, the working artist! I'll give you the url, of course, come by and
see it for yourself. I don't usually come on here and promote the site like
this but it's quite a coincidence that you ask these questions as we at
artistpoint are working to answer them ourselves.
Like I said, here are the urls:
Our Overview addresses some of Mattison's questions
http://www.artistpoint.com/overview.shtml
This is the main site
http://www.artistpoint.com
This is my Online Studio ( vStudio )
http://www.artistpoint.com/palette/mmetcalf/
This is my Online Portfolio ( vPortfolio )
http://www.artistpoint.com/palette/mmetcalf/portfolio.shtml
( i'm showing my photo's of my friend cortney
getting her tounge pierced! =)
> What do artists think is a good site ?
>
Personally, I think it is coming along nicely.
> What do geeks think is a good site ?
>
Personally, I think it's pretty cool! =)
compare ours with theirs, one of our features to
one of their non-features. ( that's kinda harsh huh? )
gonna go draw now. g'nite!
Mattison <mat...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mattartF...@netcom.com...
>
>
> So everyone seems to think all the art sites offer not much nada nothing
> forget it etc. not one of yougot back with a list of art sites that are
> worth our whiles!
>
> Is not there anyone out there with any sites at all ?
>
> What is causing this clutter of visual midiocrity ?
>
> What do we as artists really need on a site ?
>
> What do we as viewers need for a good site ?
>
> What do artists think is a good site ?
>
> What do geeks think is a good site ?
>
> Since we are not getting any reccomendations of great sites then it says
> there is discrepency in the above is that not correct ?
>
yi...@my-dejanews.com
cei...@inav.net (Charles Eicher) wrote:
> In article <mattartF...@netcom.com>, mat...@netcom.com (Mattison)
wrote:
>
> > forget it etc. not one of yougot back with a list of art sites that are
> > worth our whiles!
> >
> > Is not there anyone out there with any sites at all ?
>
I've put together a site of extremely weird abstract "crap".
They are not photos of abstract paintings, but rather conglomerations of
digital art
ala Jackson Pollock, DeKooning and ???? Resolution problems? I include the
glitches and even emphasize them.
How do you know if you are getting a really abstract result
If you are fortunate enough to have
a friend that is appalled by abstract art, then you will always know just how
far off the mark for 'tasteful and pleasing to the eye' you are!
Just watch for facial scrunches and comments that begin with "Looks like..."
or "A 2nd grader could do that!" Then YER hapnin' dude! A true abstractionist
will not be offended by this because they know that abstract art isn't
for everyone. Just don't try to convert your friend!!! Big mistake!
Do that and they won't cooperate with your face scrunch tests.
The stuff on this site is not mere mistakes, but they are results that would
be hard to find in other media. If you are looking for crisp images that
evoke tranquility, look elsewhere. If you like something way out and way off,
then click on down folks to:
http://www.s0n.com
Yipes! The kind of guy you either love or hate. All are welcome. Admission
is free. Member FDIC
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Mattison
: In article <ceicher-ya0240800...@enews.newsguy.com>,
: cei...@inav.net (Charles Eicher) wrote:
: > In article <mattartF...@netcom.com>, mat...@netcom.com (Mattison)
: wrote:
: >
: > > So everyone seems to think all the art sites offer not much nada nothing
: > > forget it etc. not one of yougot back with a list of art sites that are
: > > worth our whiles!
: > >
: > > Is not there anyone out there with any sites at all ?
: >
: Hello,
: I've put together a site of extremely weird abstract "crap".
: They are not photos of abstract paintings, but rather conglomerations of
: digital art
: ala Jackson Pollock, DeKooning and ???? Resolution problems? I include the
: glitches and even emphasize them.
: How do you know if you are getting a really abstract result
: If you are fortunate enough to have
: a friend that is appalled by abstract art, then you will always know just how
: far off the mark for 'tasteful and pleasing to the eye' you are!
: Just watch for facial scrunches and comments that begin with "Looks like..."
: or "A 2nd grader could do that!" Then YER hapnin' dude! A true abstractionist
: will not be offended by this because they know that abstract art isn't
: for everyone. Just don't try to convert your friend!!! Big mistake!
: Do that and they won't cooperate with your face scrunch tests.
What about when they start swearing at you ?
Do we attirbute this to cultural literacy in Silicon Valley ?
What about when they yell form three houses away...even ofer the shrubery ?
Hey!!!!!
NICE ART!!!!!!
Do you believe them ? People with houses exactly the same in a row and
with shrubbery ?
: The stuff on this site is not mere mistakes, but they are results that would
: be hard to find in other media. If you are looking for crisp images that
: evoke tranquility, look elsewhere. If you like something way out and way off,
: then click on down folks to:
Do they have shrubbery ?
Mattison Fitzgerald
Artist
http://www.rhinodev.com/M
We can get you a shrubbery!
yi...@my-dejanews.com
Swearing? Oh, yes! You're 10 on the dime if they absolutely cuss you out,
though.
We bag plenty-o-obscenities on the highway just driving along minding our own
biz.
>
> Do we attirbute this to cultural literacy in Silicon Valley ?
That which is abstract is not too robust on attributability (new word here!)
>
> What about when they yell form three houses away...even ofer the shrubery ?
>
> Hey!!!!!
> NICE ART!!!!!!
>
> Do you believe them ?
No, but I accept the money anyway.
People with houses exactly the same in a row and
> with shrubbery ?
Don't leave out the meticulously aligned Christmas lights that display
on schedule every year.
>
> : The stuff on this site is not mere mistakes, but they are results that would
> : be hard to find in other media. If you are looking for crisp images that
> : evoke tranquility, look elsewhere. If you like something way out and way
off,
> : then click on down to: http://www.s0n.com (Don't mess with a man's
url please ;)
>
> Do they have shrubbery ? Well they are vegetarian, ya know
> Mattison Fitzgerald
> Artist
> http://www.rhinodev.com/M (yipes resisted the cut, will Mattison?)
> We can get you a shrubbery!
Oh, I would cherish the doggone thing so much! Thanks. And throw in a little
California grass too!
-yipes
bean...@my-dejanews.com
Over...@Artcenter.com wrote:
> Charles --
>
>
>
> Also, the web seems to be the electronic
> equivalent of a frame gallery (a store that does framing and shows amateur
> crap paintings). But, to be fair, there are damn few good artists anywhere.
> The director of one gallery I'm in advised me *not* to get a website -
> that it would be bad for my reputation - like showing in a
> coffeehouse, I suppose.
Wow, man you are harsh to the Nth degree!!We can't all be in the Guggenheim.
;-)
>
>
>
> I seldom look at artist's sites. I looked at one site posted here just
> before I read your post (Diane somebody?) - the same predictable, amateur
> work.
>
Really nice, very constructive. You just can't have too many fellow artists
ripping off your head and shitting down your throat just for the fun of it.
(I'm not affiliated in any way with this artist or site, btw)
Mattison
: In article <19990407102112.151$w...@newsreader.com>,
: Over...@Artcenter.com wrote:
: > Charles --
: >
: >
: >
: > Also, the web seems to be the electronic
: > equivalent of a frame gallery (a store that does framing and shows amateur
: > crap paintings). But, to be fair, there are damn few good artists anywhere.
: > The director of one gallery I'm in advised me *not* to get a website -
: > that it would be bad for my reputation - like showing in a
: > coffeehouse, I suppose.
That guy is an idiot who advised you not to market. Know one knows who
you are now and if you do not market you are losing.
: Wow, man you are harsh to the Nth degree!!We can't all be in the Guggenheim.
: ;-)
He is right on on the BAD Art onthe web but there is just as much bad art
in NYC or more! That does not make you not show there though it just
makes the good stuff stand out. You can love the web for that for sure!
attison
: >
: >
: >
: > I seldom look at artist's sites. I looked at one site posted here just
: > before I read your post (Diane somebody?) - the same predictable, amateur
: > work.
: >
Thisa amature junk makes finding the good stuff like jewels of the net if
only the geekies century would wake up and figure it out. Easier than
piciing horsesand better investments than BMR's.
We might actually get somewhere if they would get out of their heads for
5 minutes and look around.
oh well
Mattison
Mattison
: > What about when they start swearing at you ?
: Swearing? Oh, yes! You're 10 on the dime if they absolutely cuss you out,
: though.
Oh I am flattered.
: >
: > Do we attirbute this to cultural literacy in Silicon Valley ?
Highway literacy...is...pick out the most expensive car in Silly Icon on
the Super Information higways to helel and cut them off!
: >
: > Hey!!!!!
: > NICE ART!!!!!!
: >
: > Do you believe them ?
I find it best to ignore them ... those geeks lately running round
puffing their chests out wearing denim adn leather to try and throw the
geeky image they build and because they read the directions in the Metro
last week.
You just ignore them all and tell them to take a number when they get
some craxy idea about marrige and comitment.
: No, but I accept
the money anyway. : People with houses exactly the same in a row and
: > with shrubbery ?
: Don't leave out the meticulously aligned Christmas lights that display
: on schedule every year.
Oh yes! With the LED!
better than bombs though some of these geeks are actually ok at xmas art
lights.
: > Do they have shrubbery ? Well they are vegetarian, ya know
REally ?
: > We can get you a shrubbery!
: Oh, I would cherish the doggone thing so much! Thanks. And throw in a little
: California grass too!
Honey - that is California Webbergrass no do ont you forget!
IAMANARTIST!!!!!!!
Mattison
Over...@orion.com
> bean...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : In article <19990407102112.151$w...@newsreader.com>,
> : Over...@Artcenter.com wrote:
> That guy is an idiot who advised you not to market. Know one knows who
> you are now and if you do not market you are losing.
I should've mentioned that I have an international reputation. You
are right - for unknowns any exposure is good exposure. I saw your
site, Mattison - nice stuff. And you are one good-looking woman
as well! Keep up the good work, and please keep posting. And don't
let the fascists get you down. They're bitching; you're painting.
Love,
The Overlord
Mattison
: mat...@netcom.com (Mattison) wrote:
: > bean...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
: > : In article <19990407102112.151$w...@newsreader.com>,
: > : Over...@Artcenter.com wrote:
: > That guy is an idiot who advised you not to market. Know one knows who
: > you are now and if you do not market you are losing.
: I should've mentioned that I have an international reputation. You
Yes! One of the Top Curators at the Top Gallery in Santa Fe before a big
private opening party took me aside ans said...
"I have one thing to tell you before we have dinner...self promote self
promote and self promote!!!!!! They all did it O'keefe, Warhol, Harring
etc. You have to DO IT!!! Now ... Lets have dinner that is all the
business you need to know besides FUN!"
So I share his advice to you.
: are right - for unknowns
any exposure is good exposure.
Any self promotions is good self promotion I guess you can construe
espceially when one of the top curators on the planet tells you to do so!
I
saw
your : site, Mattison - nice stuff. And you are one good-looking woman
THank you for the note. We just put that up in a quick hurry. I did art
direction but my master of the web is Dan Maley ma...@netcom.com.
Wait till you see what we have cooked up next!
: as well!
Keep up the good work, and please keep posting. And
don't : let the fascists get you down. They're bitching; you're painting.
Honey, I am doing lots more than that....
screaming down the 5 in a topless Stang Redder than Finis' Cape!
Yes, some cats are just plane hellcat hell bent in the best of the
badness of goodness ane we love to spoil our company.
Besides it is pretty fun to sit in a plane full of geeks dropping ito
this place knowing you are having way way way more fun!!
ggglzz
: Love,
Yes,
care
matters
Mattison
http://www.rhnodev.com/M
burnin...@my-dejanews.com
> : mat...@netcom.com (Mattison) wrote:
> : > bean...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> : > : In article <19990407102112.151$w...@newsreader.com>,
> : > : Over...@Artcenter.com wrote:
> : > That guy is an idiot who advised you not to market. Know one knows who
> : > you are now and if you do not market you are losing.
>
> : I should've mentioned that I have an international reputation. You
>
> Yes! One of the Top Curators at the Top Gallery in Santa Fe before a big
> private opening party took me aside ans said...
Mattie-dear, you're wannabe name-dropping noveau rich routine is so crass :P
>
> "I have one thing to tell you before we have dinner...self promote self
> promote and self promote!!!!!! They all did it O'keefe, Warhol, Harring
> etc. You have to DO IT!!! Now ... Lets have dinner that is all the
> business you need to know besides FUN!"
Goodness knows that you'll never make it on your talent.
>
> So I share his advice to you.
>
> : are right - for unknowns
> any exposure is good exposure.
If your interest is in the trappings of an artist -- as opposed to the
substance.
>
> Any self promotions is good self promotion I guess you can construe
> espceially when one of the top curators on the planet tells you to do so!
LOL :P
"...a well-used butcher's apron"
(balance of normal art-image projection bullshit deleted).
Over...@orion.com
> Over...@Orion.com wrote:
> : mat...@netcom.com (Mattison) wrote:
<big freakin' snip>
>
> Besides it is pretty fun to sit in a plane full of geeks dropping ito
> this place knowing you are having way way way more fun!!
Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you, Mattison - I've been to San Jose etc. -
how in the hell do you stay alive? Industrial parks, geek-ridden condos,
and strip malls. Expensive, too. I live in Boston and New York - someone
compared Boston (a high-tech haven, too) to Silicon Valley and said that
the difference is Boston has the blood and guts of a real place.
The art scene in California in general seems to be better for modern work
than the east coast right now, and I've been thinking of relocating there.
If you can stand living in Silly Con, the rest of the state must be outta
sight. Please advise ....
Snuggles
>
> ggglzz
>
> : Love,
>
> Yes,
>
> care
>
> matters
>
> Mattison
> http://www.rhnodev.com/M
The Overlord
--
*Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.
--Catherine Zandonella*
John Haber
share my impression, already a few years dated? San Jose had enough
of a concentration of studios and shops displaying art for sale that
they even had a district acronym and a guide.
Maybe it needs just an incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
the peninsula geeks? So they can see the "galleries" aren't coffee
shops exactly? You got me. I'm the world's worst at practical
matters.
John
Over...@orion.com
Thanks for the information. Could you do me a favor, in the future, and
quote some or all of the posts your're referring to? My news reader doesn't
provide a hierarchical diagram of posts.
Regards,
The Overlord
burnin...@my-dejanews.com
jha...@haberarts.com (John Haber) wrote:
> Mattison's much better placed to answer this one, Overlord, but can I
> share my impression, already a few years dated? San Jose had enough
> of a concentration of studios and shops displaying art for sale that
> they even had a district acronym and a guide.
>
> Maybe it needs just an incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
> the peninsula geeks?
A good place to start would be to lose the snotty "geeks" terminology
and mindset... blaming potential customers for your failure isn't a
good way to sell something.
It's funny how quickly people pick up on that sort of attitude.
John Haber
>> the peninsula geeks?
>A good place to start would be to lose the snotty "geeks" terminology
>and mindset... blaming potential customers for your failure isn't a
>good way to sell something.
Get over it. No one was blaming anyone for anything. I don't live in
the Bay Area, I haven't failed at painting (or even ever painted), and
for that matter the South Bay artists who've posted here haven't
failed at painting either.
I was in fact offering encouraging advice for Overlord and praise to
Mattison: you guys could do it. Hey, THEY'RE two people who think
they can succeed instead of blaming some evil conspiracy of the arts
establishment. You might emulate them.
As for geeks, even if (doubtfully) that term has any derogatory
connotations left, I was just trying to keep a sense of humor in my
post, something of which you're incapable. And btw, I myself AM a
geek: a software developer in Earth sciences for a university press,
with a Princeton degree in theoretical physics.
It's not worth arguing with you. I'm sorry for once I broke down and
wrote you a reply.
jh
burnin...@my-dejanews.com
jha...@haberarts.com (John Haber) wrote:
> >> Maybe it needs just an incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
> >> the peninsula geeks?
>
> >A good place to start would be to lose the snotty "geeks" terminology
> >and mindset... blaming potential customers for your failure isn't a
> >good way to sell something.
>
> Get over it. No one was blaming anyone for anything.
Oh, sure your are.
You said that it would take an "incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
the peninsula geeks.
Please feel free to explain what else the above meant.
> I don't live in
> the Bay Area, I haven't failed at painting (or even ever painted), and
> for that matter the South Bay artists who've posted here haven't
> failed at painting either.
What's your point?
We're discussing *selling* something -- not anyone's opinion of your work.
>
> I was in fact offering encouraging advice for Overlord and praise to
> Mattison: you guys could do it. Hey, THEY'RE two people who think
> they can succeed instead of blaming some evil conspiracy of the arts
> establishment. You might emulate them.
Um, I believe your a bit confused here.... I'm the person arguing the
other side of the side of the street. Do you have a reading comprehension
problem of which I should be aware?
Oh, and let me quote from one of mattie-dear's posts, "don't get your
hopes up."
She was referring to sales for her "exhibit'.
> As for geeks, even if (doubtfully) that term has any derogatory
> connotations left, I was just trying to keep a sense of humor in my
> post, something of which you're incapable.
Ah, yes... the "I was joking excuse."
> And btw, I myself AM a
> geek: a software developer in Earth sciences for a university press,
> with a Princeton degree in theoretical physics.
Then you have my apology and my acknowledgement that you may,
without offense being taken, call someone a geek. Anyone doing GIS
is allowed.
I would suggest that you think of the fact that a lot of "geeks" don't like
being called that by "artists".
> It's not worth arguing with you. I'm sorry for once I broke down and
> wrote you a reply.
:P
Spare me the self-pity.
~Artist~
Damn Funny!
The South Bay Geeks Deemed themselves that!
I asked the first one who came to my studio "Who are these guys ?"
there were a bunch of them in the back...of my building doing
something with TV's and sound.
and the Physicist says ...Geeks.
and I said...
'You call them that?'
and he says ...
"YES! We LIKE it!"
I had never heard the term until that day. We avoided the techs
here my whole life... the locals never wanted it. I never knew one
until I moved to the San Jose Studio even though I grew up here.
They seemed ok to me and kinda interesting and well if that is what
they wanted...they can have it as far as I could see..it was a bit
weird but .... they seemed to like that.
Geeks it is here and they "Like it!"
burnin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <3728c66...@news.onepine.com>,
> jha...@haberarts.com (John Haber) wrote:
> > >> Maybe it needs just an incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
> > >> the peninsula geeks?
Wait till they see what is next!
giggles...
You know God really has a sense of humor!
gigglezzzzzz
Trains on the Track darn funny.
> >
> > >A good place to start would be to lose the snotty "geeks" terminology
No way!!!
They told me they like it and many are self proclaimed!
> > >and mindset... blaming potential customers for your failure isn't a
> > >good way to sell something.
> >
> > Get over it. No one was blaming anyone for anything.
>
> Oh, sure your are.
>
> You said that it would take an "incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
> the peninsula geeks.
>
> Please feel free to explain what else the above meant.
>
> > I don't live in
> > the Bay Area, I haven't failed at painting (or even ever painted), and
> > for that matter the South Bay artists who've posted here haven't
> > failed at painting either.
>
> What's your point?
I think he needs a babe.
We have a shortage of babes here.
>
> We're discussing *selling* something -- not anyone's opinion of your work.
>
> >
> > I was in fact offering encouraging advice for Overlord and praise to
> > Mattison: you guys could do it. Hey, THEY'RE two people
Blush...thanks...just doing the same old thing trying to see out of
the tunnel.
blush.
who think
> > they can succeed instead of blaming some evil conspiracy of the arts
> > establishment. You might emulate them.
Really blame it I lve that evil conspiracy stuff...
yes, that it evil ...
relish it the badness of goodness I always do!
Pretty Darn Sexy that Evil!
>
> Um, I believe your a bit confused here.... I'm the person arguing the
> other side of the side of the street. Do you have a reading comprehension
> problem of which I should be aware?
>
> Oh, and let me quote from one of mattie-dear's posts, "don't get your
> hopes up."
>
> She was referring to sales for her "exhibit'.
Sold several this month privately and two in the newest hang are
already sold...have not had time to make it back to put the dots up.
>
> > As for geeks, even if (doubtfully) that term has any derogatory
> > connotations left, I was just trying to keep a sense of humor in my
> > post, something of which you're incapable.
>
> Ah, yes... the "I was joking excuse."
>
> > And btw, I myself AM a
> > geek: a software developer in Earth sciences for a university press,
> > with a Princeton degree in theoretical physics.
LA ti Da...and anyone calling me Matti = has never met me...ever.
>
> Then you have my apology and my acknowledgement that you may,
> without offense being taken, call someone a geek. Anyone doing GIS
> is allowed.
LOL
>
> I would suggest that you think of the fact that a lot of "geeks" don't like
> being called that by "artists".
Why do they like it then ?
It is that s & m thing so rampant in this boring valley ?
>
> > It's not worth arguing with you. I'm sorry for once I broke down and
> > wrote you a reply.
I never argued it...if they liked it that is what I will call them and
they say they like it.
Infact...today a geek out did my geeks and I told him if he was here
I would like to kiss him for his feats of geekdom management.
LOLggglzLOL!
Mattison
2 FUN!
~Artist~
>
> mat...@netcom.com (Mattison) wrote:
> > Over...@Orion.com wrote:
> > : mat...@netcom.com (Mattison) wrote:
>
> <big freakin' snip>
>
> >
> > this place knowing you are having way way way more fun!!
>
Yeah! I almost duked out one for wearing a MS NBC hat...and
everyone on the plane loved it...God! They are so serious...but he
did not work at MSNBC.......so I let him go...he was a wee bit
submissive it is rather rampant here those submissives.... and my
assistant Fitzgerald Stopped me anyway......those graffitti artists
they are do it all when no one is watching....I prefer...the public
rousting every so often...the whole world needs it right
now....anyway...
ahahah We all know that Brock Meeks MSNBC...Technology
writer who tried to pit artists against geeks and vice a versa and
had lots of skeletons in the MSNBC Technology
Closet......http://www.joeyskaggs.com Click Sexonics.
Brockeeee.e...you know Geeks and Artists are pretty smart. Lets
not try that again ....Brockeeee.e....The needles are always found in
the haystack with a magnet.
> Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you, Mattison - I've been to San Jose etc. -
Jerry Brown asked me the same thing. Everyone asks me that all
the time.
Well, I have the hellcat studio and landlord...biker geek the real
biker kind a cool....digs art and digs M in the digs....like family
actually.
> how in the hell do you stay alive?
Paint like hellcats prowl like panthers when they sleep.
Industrial parks, geek-ridden condos,
You cut off the most expensive ones...at the Who's Who in the
World Pass....Hi Billy Boy Gates! Wave Wave Wave...remember
the day I cut you off in Mnt. View???? I won!....was back when dos3
or some silly thing was on the wall ? I prefer the graffitti anyway
and well you grew up in Seattle and I grew up in the 280 when no
one was here with a Jag....giggles youwill have to move faster to
preform to my standards Billy Boy ... and remember I am not mad
at you if you can just get out of you head for 5 minutes....even
though everyone in this valley is....Just think Billy Boy...you got in
the book with me!!!
You can tell everyone at Comdex this year....
I get out often, have a great distracting bunch of geeks who like to
do business and art....I can crank the music anytime I want and no
one cares....
> and strip malls. Expensive, too. I live in Boston and New York - someone
My first parton is a Geeky, he is from Boston. Good Jewish Boy
Geek who loves and supports the arts. He flew me to Boston then
train to NYC then I got a show (gallery went under) and he flew
me back. That was pretty cool he was the first guy I ever met on
the net.
And he owns art which has since doubled and nearly tripled in
price. "The Price of Universal Healing' I believe it is called.
Besides....God said ... paint a huge message of healing and
goodness and all will be cared jfor...he did not say I have to be
perfect which is good cause I spill lots of paint... and it gets pretty
messsy here and it should be the first piece to sell and it was....
simple poetic map #1
> compared Boston (a high-tech haven, too) to Silicon Valley and said that
> the difference is Boston has the blood and guts of a real place.
The downtowners are rather cool and the underground here is
wild in music and the geekies need to figure out what to do with the
new toys and we are here to make sure they go in the right
direction for the next 1000 years and well.... God made it like
that.... and me like this so it would happen and he said 'tell them
we have a sense of humor....that is why we picked Mattison'
simple is it not ?
>
> The art scene in California in general seems to be better for modern work
> than the east coast right now, and I've been thinking of relocating there.
We can studio swap if you like and your energy is in good line. Best
to keep several places to land on the planet if you want to get to the
top so I am learning.
> If you can stand living in Silly Con, the rest of the state must be outta
> sight. Please advise ....
Yes, outa site and then there is the beach house.
>
> Snuggles
cute.
> >
> > ggglzz
> >
> > : Love,
Yes.
> >
> > Yes,
> >
> > care
> >
> > matters
> >
> > Mattison
> > http://www.rhnodev.com/M
>
> The Overlord
>
> --
> *Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.
> --Catherine Zandonella*
Time is an addiction.
care
matters
Mattison
burnin...@my-dejanews.com
~Artist~ <matt...@att.net> wrote:
> LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Damn Funny!
>
> The South Bay Geeks Deemed themselves that!
>
> I asked the first one who came to my studio "Who are these guys ?"
> there were a bunch of them in the back...of my building doing
> something with TV's and sound.
>
> and the Physicist says ...Geeks.
>
> and I said...
>
> 'You call them that?'
>
> and he says ...
>
> "YES! We LIKE it!"
And a "geek" is, without offense being taken, allowed call someone else
a "geek". Much like Blacks commonly call one-another "nigga". However,
coming from someone outside of the group, it is viewed as a slur.
>
> I had never heard the term until that day. We avoided the techs
> here my whole life... the locals never wanted it. I never knew one
> until I moved to the San Jose Studio even though I grew up here.
Well, it's hardly your fault that you were raised with a better class
of people. :P
> burnin...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <3728c66...@news.onepine.com>,
> > jha...@haberarts.com (John Haber) wrote:
> > > >> Maybe it needs just an incredible entrepreneur to put it across for
> > > >> the peninsula geeks?
(usual art image projection BS deleted)
> > > >A good place to start would be to lose the snotty "geeks" terminology
>
> No way!!!
Your choice. I'm happy with it. :P
> > > failed at painting either.
> >
> > What's your point?
>
> I think he needs a babe.
>
> We have a shortage of babes here.
I find that easy to believe :P
> > She was referring to sales for her "exhibit'.
>
> Sold several this month privately and two in the newest hang are
> already sold...have not had time to make it back to put the dots up.
Congratulations. You're a tribute to self-promotion :P
> > I would suggest that you think of the fact that a lot of "geeks" don't like
> > being called that by "artists".
>
> Why do they like it then ?
By all means, feel free to address everyone you meet as such.
>
> It is that s & m thing so rampant in this boring valley ?
As with the cost of porn sites, we'll have to take your word for it :P
John Haber
jh
P.S.: And if he wants to know what I means by saying that it takes
someone incredible to change a whole artistic community, he should try
it.
Or he should just be around some incredible people to know the
creative standard they set. (But I think any real work brings
something incredible out of someone.)
Just preferably not in your or my neighborhood.
burnin...@my-dejanews.com
jh...@columbia.edu wrote:
> Mattison, that post was so much fun. Sharing the energy,
> jh
>
> P.S.: And if he wants to know what I means by saying that it takes
> someone incredible to change a whole artistic community, he should try
> it.
You should decide whether you want to be a social worker or an "artist".
>
> Or he should just be around some incredible people to know the
> creative standard they set. (But I think any real work brings
> something incredible out of someone.)
You're confusing "art" and people.