NoSkillNoArt Scam
Dilettante
some hidden values.
SKILL IN CLASSICISM NOT THE ONLY FORM
One is that skill, in this strident, billyclub slogan, really means
only skill in classical realism. In other words, the phrase tries to
convince us that without the trompe l'oeil techniques of realism there
is no skill, therefore no value to the art someone might produce.
ELITISM OF THE AFFLUENT
The second hidden concept is that, in practice, skill in classicism
can only be learned from a school or from someone who learned it in
school. To learn such techniques either in a school or from a private
teacher requires paying quite a bit in fees. This requires quite a lot
of discretionary income, which only an income level at or above middle
class can afford, except for the rare scholarship student. It is
because such training is so expensive that so many artistic aspirants
are forced to settle for cartoon and comic book work. Therefore, the
phrase, No Skill No Art, conceals a snide, ugly elitism that only the
affluent can share, with rare exceptions that will not disprove the
point in any case.
IMPLIED RIGHT-WING VALUES
The third hidden value in this phrase is that, now in the 21st
century, as in the latter half of the 20th, classicism carries
conservative baggage. Advocates of classicism generally will line up
with the conservative political and social values of vested interests,
old money, authoritarianism, and the establishment--and all the
cruelty this brings with it.
TRUE INTENT TO CRUSH NOT LIBERATE
The fourth assumption embedded in this phrase is that its real intent
is not even to promote the learning it so irritatingly boasts about,
but to intimidate anyone from venturing into art unless they follow
author's concept, which he and his shadowy fellow travellers imply is
the only form of art. Yet this assumption is discredited by thousands
of years of artistic expression. To mention one example--ancient
Celtic and other European and west Asian art resembles what would be
called expressionist and modern art today.
There are many definitions of skill, and skill is dependent on how or
whether it achieves the purpose it is directed toward, which depend in
turn on the values of the maker.
So let us remember not to let this bitter crank discourage people from
making art and learning about it enjoyably.
Dilettante
Paul Mesken
>The phrase used by one of the resident obsessives on this ng hides
>some hidden values.
Ah, you must mean Mani.
>SKILL IN CLASSICISM NOT THE ONLY FORM
>
>One is that skill, in this strident, billyclub slogan, really means
>only skill in classical realism.
This is your interpretation, not his. Mani repeatedly stated that
there are good abstract works and that these also require skill. One
of his favorites is Disney, now this hardly can be described as
Classical Realism.
I've never seen Mani championing Classical Realism above anything
else. I believe you're one of the first doing this therefor it must be
your own idea you're fulminating against.
>ELITISM OF THE AFFLUENT
>
>The second hidden concept is that, in practice, skill in classicism
>can only be learned from a school or from someone who learned it in
>school.
Sheer and utter nonsense. You must have missed Mani critiques of the
deplorable state Art schools generally are in. Perhaps you're a bit
disappointed that he doesn't go into this as far as you do but you
can't expect him to, he isn't paranoid like you :-)
>IMPLIED RIGHT-WING VALUES
>
>The third hidden value in this phrase is that, now in the 21st
>century, as in the latter half of the 20th, classicism carries
>conservative baggage. Advocates of classicism generally will line up
>with the conservative political and social values of vested interests,
>old money, authoritarianism, and the establishment--and all the
>cruelty this brings with it.
Basically you're saying that people who like Classical Realism are
conservatives? It requires quite a leap of imagination to connect
one's taste in art with one's political convictions. Then again,
discrimination has been based on wilder things.
>So let us remember not to let this bitter crank discourage people from
>making art and learning about it enjoyably.
You mean he discourages you from making Art. I think he's doing you a
favour but your pride refuses you to see that :-)
G*rd*n
> >The phrase used by one of the resident obsessives on this ng hides
> >some hidden values.
Paul Mesken <usu...@euronet.nl>:
> Ah, you must mean Mani.
What a fate, to find oneself mediating between Dilettante
and Mani! You must have gotten a new truck. Well, don't
worry, if it's rated for 20 tons it will probably carry 20
tons. What you really should be worrying about it whether
a regular hosing-down will be sufficient afterward, or
live steam with advanced solvents and abrasives with be
required.
Are you going to make a video?
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Paul Mesken
>hu...@myself.com (Dilettante) wrote:
>> >The phrase used by one of the resident obsessives on this ng hides
>> >some hidden values.
>
>Paul Mesken <usu...@euronet.nl>:
>> Ah, you must mean Mani.
>
>
>What a fate, to find oneself mediating between Dilettante
>and Mani!
Not really, I'm just helping Dile with his first steps to trollhood. I
realise he's trying his hand at a genuine trolling attempt and I
simply play my part by a weak to medium retort (nothing to hard, just
a run of the mill type) so now he can focus on a counter attack. He
has to apply twisted logic to defend his ludicrous statements and at
the same time try to discredit me :-)
Mani Deli
>hu...@myself.com (Dilettante) wrote:
>> >The phrase used by one of the resident obsessives on this ng hides
>> >some hidden values.
>
>Paul Mesken <usu...@euronet.nl>:
>> Ah, you must mean Mani.
>
>
>What a fate, to find oneself mediating between Dilettante
>and Mani! You must have gotten a new truck. Well, don't
>worry, if it's rated for 20 tons it will probably carry 20
>tons. What you really should be worrying about it whether
>a regular hosing-down will be sufficient afterward, or
>live steam with advanced solvents and abrasives with be
>required.
>
>Are you going to make a video?
Perhaps someone here can tell us what this jerk is talking about.
No skill no art!
Tired of Modern Art? check http://www3.sympatico.ca/manideli/
Mani Deli
The (Dilettante) wrote:
>One is that skill, in this strident, billyclub slogan, really means
>only skill in classical realism.
Skill in creating artwork has nothing necessarily to do with
classicism. The term classicism relates to subject matter.
>ELITISM OF THE AFFLUENT
>
> No Skill No Art, conceals a snide, ugly elitism that only the
>affluent can share, with rare exceptions that will not disprove the
>point in any case.
Utter stupidity! As a matter of fact many affluent collect Modern
Academic art which requires almost no skill whatever.
>IMPLIED RIGHT-WING VALUES
>
>The third hidden value in this phrase is that, now in the 21st
>century, as in the latter half of the 20th, classicism carries
>conservative baggage. Advocates of classicism generally will line up
>with the conservative political and social values of vested interests,
>old money, authoritarianism, and the establishment--and all the
>cruelty this brings with it.
Wonder how long before he equates the artwork he doesn't like with
Hitler etc.
>TRUE INTENT TO CRUSH NOT LIBERATE
>
Skill frightens the Dill
>There are many definitions of skill, and skill is dependent on how or
>whether it achieves the purpose it is directed toward, which depend in
>turn on the values of the maker.
Artistic skill or its absence is obvious to most viewers. Definitions
are unnecessary.
>So let us remember not to let this bitter crank discourage people from
>making art and learning about it enjoyably.
>
Yes, all you artzy fartzies, don't learn try to attain skill, just
express yourself. You'll probably get as far as the Dill who finds it
necessary to ask those here to help him draw an elephant. He's all gas
with nothing worth showing.
Dilettante
> On 18 Feb 2004 21:30:49 -0800, hu...@myself.com
> Those who denigrate skill are usually those who have none.
irrelevant since this was not part of my statement if you bother to,
or can read the last sentence.
>
> The (Dilettante) wrote:
>
> >One is that skill, in this strident, billyclub slogan, really means
> >only skill in classical realism.
>
> Skill in creating artwork has nothing necessarily to do with
> classicism. The term classicism relates to subject matter.
tell this to the person i refer to
>
>
> >ELITISM OF THE AFFLUENT
> >
> > No Skill No Art, conceals a snide, ugly elitism that only the
> >affluent can share, with rare exceptions that will not disprove the
> >point in any case.
>
> Utter stupidity! As a matter of fact many affluent collect Modern
> Academic art which requires almost no skill whatever.
>
> >IMPLIED RIGHT-WING VALUES
> >
> >The third hidden value in this phrase is that, now in the 21st
> >century, as in the latter half of the 20th, classicism carries
> >conservative baggage. Advocates of classicism generally will line up
> >with the conservative political and social values of vested interests,
> >old money, authoritarianism, and the establishment--and all the
> >cruelty this brings with it.
>
> Wonder how long before he equates the artwork he doesn't like with
> Hitler etc.
>
> >TRUE INTENT TO CRUSH NOT LIBERATE
> >
> Skill frightens the Dill
how do you know this?
>
> >There are many definitions of skill, and skill is dependent on how or
> >whether it achieves the purpose it is directed toward, which depend in
> >turn on the values of the maker.
>
> Artistic skill or its absence is obvious to most viewers. Definitions
> are unnecessary.
which does not gainsay my point.
>
> >So let us remember not to let this bitter crank discourage people from
> >making art and learning about it enjoyably.
> >
> Yes, all you artzy fartzies, don't learn try to attain skill, just
> express yourself. You'll probably get as far as the Dill who finds it
> necessary to ask those here to help him draw an elephant. He's all gas
> with nothing worth showing.
making assumptions about your adversary you wish were true then trying
to impose them on him. You, my friend, are a drunk.
D.
Mani Deli
>> >So let us remember not to let this bitter crank discourage people from
>> >making art and learning about it enjoyably.
>> >
>> Yes, all you artzy fartzies, don't learn try to attain skill, just
>> express yourself. You'll probably get as far as the Dill who finds it
>> necessary to ask those here to help him draw an elephant. He's all gas
>> with nothing worth showing.
>
>making assumptions about your adversary you wish were true then trying
>to impose them on him. You, my friend, are a drunk.
>
Check the Dill's logic in this last paragraph.
Dilettante
> >> Yes, all you artzy fartzies, don't learn try to attain skill, just
> >> express yourself. You'll probably get as far as the Dill who finds it
> >> necessary to ask those here to help him draw an elephant. He's all gas
> >> with nothing worth showing.
> >
> >making assumptions about your adversary you wish were true then trying
> >to impose them on him. You, my friend, are a drunk.
> >
> Check the Dill's logic in this last paragraph.
>
> No skill no art!
If you want to be checking logic, then first check mesken's
assumptions about people he disagrees with: artzy fartzy, not trying
to attain skill. This man is an idiot but I suppose mani will have to
scrounge for allies anywhere he can.
Dilettante
No brains, no art!
Paul Mesken
>If you want to be checking logic, then first check mesken's
>assumptions about people he disagrees with: artzy fartzy, not trying
>to attain skill.
Ow, after such a good story you follow up with such a lousy retort.
Being attacked by you is like being savaged by a dead sheep.
>This man is an idiot but I suppose mani will have to
>scrounge for allies anywhere he can.
You know Dile, you could do with an ally yourself. NerdGerl seems to
have returned. Perhaps you can join forces with her. She would be a
very powerfull ally to you since she's one of the few who can annoy
the crap out of me. She also hates most of your bullies.
Peter H.M. Brooks
"Paul Mesken" <usu...@euronet.nl> wrote in message
news:qa4v305h6n3qc61ik...@4ax.com...
> On 27 Feb 2004 02:57:04 -0800, hu...@myself.com (Dilettante) wrote:
>
> >If you want to be checking logic, then first check mesken's
> >assumptions about people he disagrees with: artzy fartzy, not trying
> >to attain skill.
>
> Ow, after such a good story you follow up with such a lousy retort.
> Being attacked by you is like being savaged by a dead sheep.
>
dead newt is more appropriate in this situation.
>
> >This man is an idiot but I suppose mani will have to
> >scrounge for allies anywhere he can.
>
> You know Dile, you could do with an ally yourself. NerdGerl seems to
> have returned. Perhaps you can join forces with her. She would be a
> very powerfull ally to you since she's one of the few who can annoy
> the crap out of me. She also hates most of your bullies.
>
--
"The moral of the tale is this: whoever allows himself to be
whipped, deserves to be whipped.
"The blows, as you see, have agreed with me; the roseate supersensual
mist has dissolved, and no one can ever make me believe again that
these 'sacred apes of Benares' or Plato's rooster are the image of God." -
Venus in Furs
by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch
Dilettante
> How handy to have a non-chemical laxative.
that's a good description of mesken.
D.
max
>
>that's a good description of mesken.
Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
max
Flying Naked People
>Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
We have jobs, families, and multiple interests. You know - I think it's
commonly referred to as, A LIFE.
You should try it!!
--
"Behind every great man, is a woman telling him what to think."
>max
>
Dilettante
> Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
> while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
> that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
>
> max
Dude, when you post I hurt my back stooping down to your level. Do
yourself a favour, give up hoping I will ever take you seriously. It's
called intelligence. Try it.
D.
max
Not too bad. A little stilted, but the opening sentence was pretty
good, if shallow. The last bit was something of a non-sequitur.
Mixing messages just dilutes them both.
Still, I'd give it a C+. Don't give up!
max
Erik A. Mattila
And do you grasp your ankles tightly when you bend-over for Max?
E.
Edward G. Nilges
> Dilettante wrote:
> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
> >>while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
> >>that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
Yeah, you stick around (no life). While nerdgerl has a life and is an
accomplished artist.
max
wrote:
>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
>> >>while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
>> >>that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
>
>Yeah, you stick around (no life). While nerdgerl has a life and is an
>accomplished artist.
Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
RAF.
Come to think of it, yours must be too; you've been a busy little
beaver lately. I see the folks in comp.programming have taken to
prepending the subject line with [EGN] once you get involved to allow
them to ignore off-topic threads more easily.
This mutual admiration society composed of EGN, the Nerd, and all
those lurkers is quite fascinating.
max
Flying Naked People
max wrote in message ...
>wrote:
>
>>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> >>Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
>>> >>while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
>>> >>that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
>>
>>Yeah, you stick around (no life). While nerdgerl has a life and is an
>>accomplished artist.
>
>Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
>RAF.
<sigh>
No - you're wrong (AGAIN!). I simply know how to multi-task. Is it *that*
hard to figure out?
>This mutual admiration society composed of EGN, the Nerd, and all
>those lurkers is quite fascinating.
How did you manage to get this far in life? (That's an honest question -
your assumptive thinking patterns baffle me - I mean really, how do you go
ON?)
Well - no - I guess what I really want to know - is why people like you
think they can get away with stating suspicions or opinions as facts? At
what point do you consider (or do you even do that?) - anyway, do you
consider that you couldn't be any more wrong - and that people are laughing
at you??
<shrugging shoulders>
>max
>
Paul Mesken
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>max wrote in message ...
>>On 5 Mar 2004 01:20:43 -0800, spino...@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> >>Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
>>>> >>while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
>>>> >>that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
>>>
>>>Yeah, you stick around (no life). While nerdgerl has a life and is an
>>>accomplished artist.
>>
>>Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
>>RAF.
>
><sigh>
>
>No - you're wrong (AGAIN!). I simply know how to multi-task. Is it *that*
>hard to figure out?
Well you certainly got me fooled
<insert NerdGerl reply about how that doesn't surprise her in the
least bit, add some "dumb ass fuck" and "get a life" stuff>
<insert Paul reply about how NerdGerl's hostility is merely a vehicle
to get sexual attention from him>
<insert NerdGerl reply about EGN's superior dick length>
<insert Paul reply about how this in fact confirms his views and that
NerdGerl's alleged admiration for EGN is in fact a ploy to make him
jealous>
etc.
>>This mutual admiration society composed of EGN, the Nerd, and all
>>those lurkers is quite fascinating.
>
>How did you manage to get this far in life? (That's an honest question -
>your assumptive thinking patterns baffle me - I mean really, how do you go
>ON?)
It's the old talking-someone-into-committing-suicide thing again.
Really NerdGerl, it has very little chance of success. I'd rather see
you mobilize your alleged armies of "silent support" lurkers.
>Well - no - I guess what I really want to know - is why people like you
>think they can get away with stating suspicions or opinions as facts? At
>what point do you consider (or do you even do that?) - anyway, do you
>consider that you couldn't be any more wrong - and that people are laughing
>at you??
I grant that you're a better actor than me NerdGerl, you pull off the
"projection" stuff so much better and you never drop out of character
Flying Naked People
>It's the old talking-someone-into-committing-suicide thing again.
>Really NerdGerl, it has very little chance of success. I'd rather see
>you mobilize your alleged armies of "silent support" lurkers.
WE would like to see you live out your PIG fantasy, Paul. Photograph and
upload please.
>I grant that you're a better actor than me NerdGerl, you pull off the
>"projection" stuff so much better and you never drop out of character
Of course! Life's a stage to Puppet Masters and Pig Fuckers!
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>>On 5 Mar 2004 01:20:43 -0800, spino...@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> >>Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
>>>> >>while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around all
>>>> >>that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
>>>
>>>Yeah, you stick around (no life). While nerdgerl has a life and is an
>>>accomplished artist.
>>
>>Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
>>RAF.
>
><sigh>
>
>No - you're wrong (AGAIN!). I simply know how to multi-task. Is it *that*
>hard to figure out?
Not for me, but Eddie may have a hard time with it. See above:
Posters who stick around this forum have no life; NG has a life
because she hasn't been posting to this forum in recent times (not
counting the last week). I pointed out the fallacy in the logic
(unless you assume that only EGN and NG can multi-task).
That part may have been hard to figure out, but I exist to serve.
>>This mutual admiration society composed of EGN, the Nerd, and all
>>those lurkers is quite fascinating.
>
>How did you manage to get this far in life? (That's an honest question -
>your assumptive thinking patterns baffle me - I mean really, how do you go
>ON?)
Oh, I do OK; life is rather good, all things considered.
>Well - no - I guess what I really want to know - is why people like you
>think they can get away with stating suspicions or opinions as facts? At
>what point do you consider (or do you even do that?) - anyway, do you
>consider that you couldn't be any more wrong - and that people are laughing
>at you??
Well, let's see - I said the posts of EGN and NG patting each other on
the back are fascinating. This is a fact, but it only applies to me,
AFAIK. If anyone else finds it fascinating, they'll have to pipe up.
Now, the lurkers are an opinion, based on your recent post about all
the EGN/NG supporters who are strangely silent here. I basically see
NG supporting EGN, EGN supporting NG, and no one supporting poor Dil.
You should indoctrinate him into your world domination society.
In any case, you may want to worry less about what other people think
about me, and possibly about you as well.
><shrugging shoulders>
<nudge-nudge, wink-wink>
max
ps - you'll have to have the last word for a bit, as I'm off for a bit
of travel. Thanks for playing, though!
Flying Naked People
>On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:14:42 -0800, "Flying Naked People"
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>
>>max wrote in message ...
>>>On 5 Mar 2004 01:20:43 -0800, spino...@yahoo.com (Edward G. Nilges)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >>Dude. You're in the presence of giants. You should read and learn
>>>>> >>while you have the chance. Nilges and NerdGerl don't stick around
all
>>>>> >>that long (no stamina), so make the most of it.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, you stick around (no life). While nerdgerl has a life and is an
>>>>accomplished artist.
>>>
>>>Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
>>>RAF.
>>
>><sigh>
>>
>>No - you're wrong (AGAIN!). I simply know how to multi-task. Is it *that*
>>hard to figure out?
>
>Not for me, but Eddie may have a hard time with it. See above:
>Posters who stick around this forum have no life; NG has a life
>because she hasn't been posting to this forum in recent times (not
>counting the last week). I pointed out the fallacy in the logic
>(unless you assume that only EGN and NG can multi-task).
A strong possibility.
>That part may have been hard to figure out, but I exist to serve.
You can not form a statement about my life when you don't have all the
facts - irrespective of any *logic* you're trying to twist. My advice to
you, is to stop making unstated premises as facts, and to stop rejecting
alternative explanations for things when you think you're going to mention
MY name. There is a reason why "assumption" starts with an ass.
Why don't you just stop mentioning my name, period.
>>Well - no - I guess what I really want to know - is why people like you
>>think they can get away with stating suspicions or opinions as facts? At
>>what point do you consider (or do you even do that?) - anyway, do you
>>consider that you couldn't be any more wrong - and that people are
laughing
>>at you??
>
>Well, let's see - I said the posts of EGN and NG patting each other on
>the back are fascinating. This is a fact, but it only applies to me,
>AFAIK. If anyone else finds it fascinating, they'll have to pipe up.
>Now, the lurkers are an opinion, based on your recent post about all
>the EGN/NG supporters who are strangely silent here.
It's not strange. I've been called a fool for arguing with fools.
However it's a little hard for me to sit still, when the likes of you -
scratch your head over why LURKERS are SILENT. Hello?!?!? Do you know what
an opinion is? Sure, an opinion is a noun, but lurkers aint' exactly "A
message expressing a belief about something."
Too bad you insist on the support of lurkers, when I have said nothing of
the sort. You and Paul have a lot in common.
>I basically see
>NG supporting EGN, EGN supporting NG, and no one supporting poor Dil.
>You should indoctrinate him into your world domination society.
Why would you say that? Are you attempting to steer my haranguing towards
Dil?
>In any case, you may want to worry less about what other people think
>about me, and possibly about you as well.
>
>><shrugging shoulders>
>
><nudge-nudge, wink-wink>
RASPBERRY
>max
>
>ps - you'll have to have the last word for a bit, as I'm off for a bit
>of travel. Thanks for playing, though!
Be Gone
Dilettante
>
> You can not form a statement about my life when you don't have all the
> facts - irrespective of any *logic* you're trying to twist.
Insulting people in this way is precisely the raison d'etre of max and
many people like him on the net. Telling him to stop is like telling a
mosquito to stop sucking blood.
Dilettante
max
<http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>>>>>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
>>>>RAF.
>
>You can not form a statement about my life when you don't have all the
>facts - irrespective of any *logic* you're trying to twist. My advice to
>you, is to stop making unstated premises as facts, and to stop rejecting
>alternative explanations for things when you think you're going to mention
>MY name. There is a reason why "assumption" starts with an ass.
Sure I can. You do it, I do it, we all do it. I can say anything I
want. Now, I did preface it with "I guess", and I have to admit the
intended tone was ironic. Apologies if it was too subtle for you.
I'll try not to confuse you in the future. Anyhow, the response was
intended for Edward, who does have a facility with words. I'm sure
he'll explain if you ask him nicely.
Thanks for the advice, in any case. I'm sure we all have a lot to
learn from you, though maybe not in the way you intend.
>Why don't you just stop mentioning my name, period.
Why don't you put me in your killfile? I can keep saying whatever I
like, you can ignore me, and everybody's happy.
>It's not strange. I've been called a fool for arguing with fools.
I completely agree. I feel the same way sometimes.
>However it's a little hard for me to sit still, when the likes of you -
>scratch your head over why LURKERS are SILENT. Hello?!?!? Do you know what
>an opinion is? Sure, an opinion is a noun, but lurkers aint' exactly "A
>message expressing a belief about something."
Sorry, I thought you'd be able to connect the dots. I'll expand: The
possibility of the presence of lurkers supporting you and EGN is an
opinion of mine (influenced by Mesken's humorous post), based on your
recent post about all the EGN/NG supporters who send you email, yet
are strangely silent here.
I hope this helps. Anytime you have a hard time understanding what's
going on, be sure to speak up, and I'll try to explain slowly and
simply. I can do it mo-no-sy-lla-bic-al-ly if you need. Like I say,
I exist to serve.
>Too bad you insist on the support of lurkers, when I have said nothing of
>the sort. You and Paul have a lot in common.
He's my evil twin.
>Be Gone
Since you put it so nicely, OK.
max
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
Flying Naked People
><http://www.rcip.com/nerdgerl/email.htm> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> > max <maxi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>Umm... I guess her life's on hold while she harangues the denizens of
>>>>>RAF.
>>
>>You can not form a statement about my life when you don't have all the
>>facts - irrespective of any *logic* you're trying to twist. My advice to
>>you, is to stop making unstated premises as facts, and to stop rejecting
>>alternative explanations for things when you think you're going to mention
>>MY name. There is a reason why "assumption" starts with an ass.
>
>Sure I can. You do it, I do it, we all do it. I can say anything I
>want. Now, I did preface it with "I guess", and I have to admit the
>intended tone was ironic. Apologies if it was too subtle for you.
>I'll try not to confuse you in the future.
What indicates I'm confused? (1st) Edward made a statement - (2nd) I
indirectly corrected his statement. (3rd) you insisted on forming a
conclusion while ignoring the correction. You erred. Deal with it.
>Anyhow, the response was
>intended for Edward
Then follow up to Edward's post - NOT mine.
>
>Thanks for the advice, in any case. I'm sure we all have a lot to
>learn from you, though maybe not in the way you intend.
With the thinking you've displayed above, you 'aint' learnin' a damn thing.
>>Why don't you just stop mentioning my name, period.
>
>Why don't you put me in your killfile? I can keep saying whatever I
>like, you can ignore me, and everybody's happy.
Keep mentioning my name - you're going to get bit.
>>However it's a little hard for me to sit still, when the likes of you -
>>scratch your head over why LURKERS are SILENT. Hello?!?!? Do you know what
>>an opinion is? Sure, an opinion is a noun, but lurkers aint' exactly "A
>>message expressing a belief about something."
>
>Sorry, I thought you'd be able to connect the dots.
Here we go. <rolling eyes>
>I'll expand: The
>possibility of the presence of lurkers supporting you and EGN is an
>opinion of mine (influenced by Mesken's humorous post), based on your
>recent post about all the EGN/NG supporters who send you email, yet
>are strangely silent here.
You mean you can't figure out that they don't want to fight, or be flamed??
That thought never entered your head?? It's a no brainer!! (Dude -
that's.... bad.)
Maybe "lurkers" are all you can handle. Take an aspirin - there's always
tomorrow.
>I hope this helps.
Is that a joke?
>Anytime you have a hard time understanding what's
>going on, be sure to speak up, and I'll try to explain slowly and
>simply.
Looked in the mirror while you typed that, did you?!
>I can do it mo-no-sy-lla-bic-al-ly if you need.
Hee hee. Your post (this one) would make a GREAT illustration for a "Dummies
for Dummies" book!