Six Artists
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Lake wrote:
> Who are these great inheritors of
> the representational tradition, who will overshadow the abstracters at
> some future time? Let's keep it simple - give us a list of six.
Audrey Flack
Salvadore Dali
Paul Klee
Ed Paschke
H.r. Geiger
Jerome Bosch
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(minimalism, etc.), he was the Other Great Artist (the other
other one being Picasso). Today, he is almost universally
derided by the establishment, though his popularity with the
public remains as firm as ever.
Officially, a taste for Dali is a mark of the middle-brow or the
adolescent.
Actually, Dali's new status as a non-artist is political. It is
a response of his avowed contempt for modernist values and his
successful out-Dadaing of the Dadaists.
As Dali himself put it: "I'm too intelligent to be a great
artist."
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br...@wralaw.com
bruceattah <battahN...@datametrics.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> Salvador Dali is an interesting case. Before fag-end modernism
> (minimalism, etc.), he was the Other Great Artist (the other
> other one being Picasso). Today, he is almost universally
> derided by the establishment,
The establishment is simply jealous of the fact that dali was a Modern
artist who eventually (circa 1960) painted as well as some old
Masters. If people like mdeli -arch enemy of lake and GWAR- take over
Dali's artwork will be the "only" example of Modern style not flushed
down a toillette. We must remember at his best Rene' Magritte painted
as well as Manet but not half as well as Carravaggio' so only by the
very best works of Modernism (in the old master sense) can "a few" (and
some Dali's may get tossed out by way of bodily distortion as a means
of covering gross anatomical errror) Dali's perhaps stand the testof
time.
> though his popularity with the
> public remains as firm as ever.
> Officially, a taste for Dali is a mark of the middle-brow or the
> adolescent.
We could say that a taste for picasso is the mark of the bourgoise?
But enough poisoning the well.
> Actually, Dali's new status as a non-artist is political. It is
> a response of his avowed contempt for modernist values and his
> successful out-Dadaing of the Dadaists.
> As Dali himself put it: "I'm too intelligent to be a great
> artist."
I guess the question lake was asking is who' of the nonabsolute-
abstract artists will overshadow "modern-era" abstract painters. Both
in popularity of the bourgoise today and in the fact that Dali's
painting is liked by multiple groups I think his work will clearly
overshadow Modern Abstract. You have to admit that in cultural
"REALITY" we are still in the Modern era -wether or not you call it
postmodern modern- so Dali will only be feared by the bought-in
artistic elite so long as modernism remains the stale plate of the
day... Dali's best works is still clean and fresh, preserved in fact
by labour, love and magic.
Dali is perhaps one of a few modern artists that tourguides and guards
seem to actually like.
br...@wralaw.com
bruceattah <battahN...@datametrics.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> Salvador Dali is an interesting case. Before fag-end modernism
I BTW wanted to discuss more than Dali if I must!
Sharon Barcone
<br...@wralaw.com> wrote in message news:8mq1e7$jpf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <00438d20...@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>,
> bruceattah <battahN...@datametrics.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > Salvador Dali is an interesting case. Before fag-end modernism
> > other one being Picasso). Today, he is almost universally
> > derided by the establishment,
Could this be because he would not follow the other lemmings off the cliff
of abstract and other modern art forms without content?
>
> The establishment is simply jealous of the fact that dali was a Modern
> artist who eventually (circa 1960) painted as well as some old
> Masters.
Actually, Dali received critical acclaim in 1929 with his "Basket of Bread"
which was painted in classical technique. It is an extremely masterfull
piece of art. And painted extremely traditionally. Poor Dali was constantly
told "so what, you may be able to do this but you can't do that" and time
and again he proved them wrong. I think it was ego (which he had plenty of)
that drove him to paint in so many different styles trying to please those
who continued to deride him. Dali painted masterfully from a point early in
his career. But in the 1960's his return to strong classical, historic and
traditiional themes set him apart from most of the known painters of that
time.
If people like mdeli -arch enemy of lake and GWAR- take over
> Dali's artwork will be the "only" example of Modern style not flushed
> down a toillette. We must remember at his best Rene' Magritte painted
> as well as Manet but not half as well as Carravaggio' so only by the
> very best works of Modernism (in the old master sense) can "a few" (and
> some Dali's may get tossed out by way of bodily distortion as a means
> of covering gross anatomical errror) Dali's perhaps stand the testof
> time.
>
> > though his popularity with the
> > public remains as firm as ever.
>
> > Officially, a taste for Dali is a mark of the middle-brow or the
> > adolescent.
This is only because so few are aware of the scope of work Dali completed.
Anyone seeing a retrospective of his long career and particularly his later
works is convinced otherwise.
>
> > Actually, Dali's new status as a non-artist is political. It is
> > a response of his avowed contempt for modernist values and his
> > successful out-Dadaing of the Dadaists.
Calling himself the saviour of modern art didn't hurt either.
lf put it: "I'm too intelligent to be a great
> > artist."
But don't believe this. Dali wanted very much to be considered a great
artist by others. He wanted to please those who criticized him. But he
wanted more to be accepted on his own terms. Who doesn't?
But most, Dali wanted to see a return to the striving for skill, beauty and
content in modern art.
sharon
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Mani Deli
>Salvador Dali is an interesting case. Before fag-end modernism
>(minimalism, etc.), he was the Other Great Artist (the other
>other one being Picasso). Today, he is almost universally
>derided by the establishment, though his popularity with the
>public remains as firm as ever.
>
>Officially, a taste for Dali is a mark of the middle-brow or the
>adolescent.
>
>Actually, Dali's new status as a non-artist is political. It is
>a response of his avowed contempt for modernist values and his
>successful out-Dadaing of the Dadaists.
>
>As Dali himself put it: "I'm too intelligent to be a great
>artist."