I fucking hate modern artists
Richard
I thought I could tolerate modern artists, but my damn painting
teacher is a modern art lover and she is trying to impose the
attitudes and beliefs of the modern art establishment on everyone in
the class. It is starting to get my hackles up. She seems to be a nice
lady other than that she's a modern art freak, so I don't want to show
my anger at her, but I may have to confront her sometime. It's bad
enough that she is teaching us almost nothing about painting
techniques and that she focuses too much on color issues, but I'm
resenting how she is restricting what I can paint. For example, she
told us we can't paint any angels or fantasy things like that, and
she's repeatedly stated how she doesn't want us to paint anything
that's cute and sweet. WHY THE FUCK NOT?!?! How dare she impose her
tastes on us!
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Nerd Gerl
For example, she
> > told us we can't paint any angels or fantasy things like that
Um... send me a picture of her and I'll draw an angel kicking her ass.
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Mark Miwird
>Well Richard,
>I'm sure I'll regret responding to this post
Won't matter, any more than responding to Mani does.
I've tried to tell Richard in different ways
that there are always "teachers from hell" -
I had at least one in my college days. But
the other side of the coin is "the student
from hell," which Richard seems to exemplify...
...by his own admissions...
Ya gotta wonder why these dorks stay in school
with such animosity to being taught. I suppose
because their parents expect it of them. At some point,
maybe about their junior year, these dorks usually
figure it out for themselves, if they haven't been
flunked out by then.
Mark Miwird
says...
>How dare she impose her
>tastes on us!
Here's the best advice I received in my
university years:
"When someone finds fault with your work,
take that fault and MAGNIFY it to the
point where you rub their noses in it!"
(Peter Saul)
I suspect that's too subtle a concept
for you to grasp though.
Mani Deli
wrote:
> my damn painting teacher is a modern art lover
> she is teaching us almost nothing about painting
>techniques and that she focuses too much on color issues
Is I said, if you get one of these jerks as a teacher go elsewhere. If
you stay and waste time you have only yourself to blame.
...no skill no art!
Want to get away from the indecipherable imbecilities and absurd pretensions of the modern art establishment?
Check out my web page http://www3.sympatico.ca/manideli/
John Ng
> I'm sure I'll regret responding to this post but it sounds like you suffer
> from the ever-familiar "I know more than my art teacher" syndrome.
Yes of course Richard needs a spank because what on earth is he trying
to do modernizing Modern Art and bring art back to course? I am sure
you will agree that he can't amount to anything if he turns out
beautiful and perfect stuff. He really needs to learn Arty Farty talk
and churn out stuff that revolts viewers. He really need to learn to
be a con-artist. Art is not about beauty and perfection. Art is
about cheating with a straight-face. How can he be cheating if he has
a perfect hand?
John
Mani Deli
wrote:
>>Ya gotta wonder why these dorks stay in school
>with such animosity to being taught.
The animosity comes from not being taught.
? I suppose
>because their parents expect it of them. At some point,
>maybe about their junior year, these dorks usually
>figure it out for themselves, if they haven't been
>flunked out by then.
>
Most of all, the dorks that stay end up as failures because of the
dork teachers who know hardly anything have taught these dorks almost
nothing and have taken years to do it.
Jack
> teacher is a modern art lover and she is trying to impose the
> attitudes and beliefs of the modern art establishment on everyone in
> the class.
Recently, I saw a biography about Charles M. Schultz, creator of the
Peanuts comic strip. Mr. Schultz disliked modern art (but loved
drawing), so he took an art correspondence course. This way he did not
have to deal with the "attitudes and beliefs" of abstract
expressionists in college.
OK, so maybe Charlie Brown isn't "fine art." But Peanuts might not
have happened at all if Schultz had been taught the techniques of
Jackson Pollock instead of how to draw the Pirate and Turtle on those
match book covers.
Mark Miwird
jackst...@hotmail.com says...
>Recently, I saw a biography about Charles M. Schultz, creator of the
>Peanuts comic strip. Mr. Schultz disliked modern art (but loved
>drawing), so he took an art correspondence course.
One of the most brilliant students I met in
my university days is now one of the USA's
leading cutting edge cartoonists - Chris Ware.
Chris remained true to his cartooning all through
undergrad school by drawing comic strips for
the student newspaper, The Daily Texan, as
well as for publication by cartoon magazines.
His art work in the various classes I attended
with him reflected his love of lampooning,
which is what cartooning is really about.
Chris had no need for a degree, in my opinion.
His cartooning skills were already sophisticated
and his ideas 'way out there' for someone so
young. I don't know what Chris might answer if
someone were to ask him if he feels his days
in school were wasted. I know he cherishes his
school experiences enough to recount them in his
biography now - some 15 years later.
Mani Deli
The Famous Artists Course books are available in some libraries. They
teach far more than most books on the subject. They are the butt of
jokes by those who have never seen them so most have never taken a
look. Instead they follow the double-talk in Nicolaides and teachers
who can't draw, the results of which can be seen in the work of
advanced students and some of our artzy fartzy stars here..
Leisu Scheperle
and you're there to open your mind and learn new things.
so maybe she has a thing or two to teach you,
if you OPEN up your mind and listen.
but, if you choose to stay on the course you're on,
you will hate the course, hate her, and learn nothing.
then nobody wins. so try to take it in stride, and you may learn something
new;
you won't regret it.
"Richard" <cool_a...@z.com> wrote in message
news:s639qucn5an7h9cg3...@4ax.com...
Richard
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:55:28 GMT, "Leisu Scheperle"
<vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>you're paying for art school (or your parents are)
>and you're there to open your mind and learn new things.
Modern art is all about NOT learning anything about how to make art.
I'm going to a community college now, so the art materials, especially
the painting materials, are costing me way more than the classes. I
would never pay for one of those expensive private art schools. It's
not worth it. The Art Center of Pasadena has a good reputation, is
hard to get into, and is extremely expensive, but I'm not impressed
with the work of their students.
>so maybe she has a thing or two to teach you,
>if you OPEN up your mind and listen.
>but, if you choose to stay on the course you're on,
>you will hate the course, hate her, and learn nothing.
No, I'm learning a lot with the excellent art instruction books I
ordered from Amazon.com.
>then nobody wins. so try to take it in stride, and you may learn something
>new;
>you won't regret it.
You're insulting my intelligence.
I would have dropped that stupid beginning painting class if it
weren't required for taking Oil painting. I hope the oil painting
teacher isn't a bullshitting modern art freak too. I have very good
teachers for 3D design and Life Drawing right now, and I like drawing
from the live nude models.
My painting teacher, the one I'm complaining about, doesn't like cute
stuff, so I'm going to paint cute stuff for at least some of the
projects for her class. She also likes big canvases, so from now on
I'm going to use small canvases. And if she doesn't like it she can
blow me. I'm going to save the big canvases I bought for oil painting
class or my own personal paintings.
Mark Miwird
says...
>You're insulting my intelligence.
How can that be possible since you've
yet to show that you have any?