"Norman Rockwell"
Brian Shapiro
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RA Friedman
can also be argued that it has a very Western, Modernist, male bias.
Rockwell as well as N.C. Wyeth, Maxfield Parrish, Howard Pyle, Charles
Dana Gibson, are all considered illustrators, so they are not included. The
theory being that illustration is a derivitive art.
RA
peter nelson
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> Why was N. Rockwell excluded in Janson's History of Art?
Snobbism. Rockwell was an "illustrator" and the Art Priesthood
considered illustrators to not be true "artists". True artists
are supposed to be motivated by the inner voices of a tortured
soul rather than a check from the Saturday Evening Post.
---peter
emat...@tomatoweb.com
I suspect different motives from the editors of Jansons. After all, Aubrey
Beardsley was also an illustrator, as was Gustave Dore. As I recall, both of
these are included in Jansons. The editors seem to feel that Rockwell did not
make a significant contribution. But you never know, in future editions
Rockwell may be included. It's up for grabs, I think. (By the way, I think
that the overwhelming majority of artists represented in Janson's were not
known to have been 'tortured souls.' This is pretty much a mythology
confined to modernism -- certainly not an art history idea.)
Erik Mattila
Brian Shapiro
wallpaper patterns are geniuses.
--Brian
peter nelson <pne...@ultranet.com> wrote in message
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>
> perdi...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> <7fbjdq$80v$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > Why was N. Rockwell excluded in Janson's History of Art?
>
> Snobbism. Rockwell was an "illustrator" and the Art Priesthood
> considered illustrators to not be true "artists". True artists
> are supposed to be motivated by the inner voices of a tortured
> soul rather than a check from the Saturday Evening Post.
>
> ---peter
>
>
>
prophet...@my-dejanews.com
> It's funny that they think people like Mondrian who basically just made
> wallpaper patterns are geniuses.
Avert thine ears from this blasphemy! Number yourself amongst The Philistines
who would raze the temple of Modernism, and despoil the Urinal of Duchamp!
The inner mysteries which comprise the One True Art shalt always be hid from
those who refuse to see. Do not think that Mondrian madeth wallpaper for the
decoration of the abodes of the Big Bad Bourgeoisie; he was engaged upon an
ascetic pilgrimmage through the Desert of Primary Coloured Squares to the
Apotheosis of Experience. In his youth Mondrian painted landscapes which
were decadant in their realism, but he soon forsook the Accursed Path and
embraced the Light Fantastic. Like the prodigious Picasso - of whom it is
written out-painted Bouguereau, Raphael and Ingres by the age of thirteen -,
Mondrian was once numbered among the Enemies of MOMA. But when he converted
to the One True Art he was a loyal disciple who spread the word through the
ranks of the infidel. So mock ye not the icons of Mondrian - for through his
labours we are brought ever closer to unity with the Great Squared One.
All praise the One True Art of Modernism, and its priest Mondrian, who
dwelleth in the paradise of MOMA forever and ever.
Amen.
emat...@tomatoweb.com
can only believe against all belief itself that such wisdom can only emmanate
from the seat of the great golden kangaroo shrine of the sunny clime.
Erik, the wallpaper guy
mark webber
> >
> > Avert thine ears from this blasphemy! Number yourself amongst The Philistines
> > who would raze the temple of Modernism, and despoil the Urinal of Duchamp!
> > The inner mysteries which comprise the One True Art shalt always be hid from
> > those who refuse to see. Do not think that Mondrian madeth wallpaper for the
> > decoration of the abodes of the Big Bad Bourgeoisie; he was engaged upon an
> > ascetic pilgrimmage through the Desert of Primary Coloured Squares to the
> > Apotheosis of Experience. In his youth Mondrian painted landscapes which
> > were decadant in their realism, but he soon forsook the Accursed Path and
> > embraced the Light Fantastic. Like the prodigious Picasso - of whom it is
> > written out-painted Bouguereau, Raphael and Ingres by the age of thirteen -,
> > Mondrian was once numbered among the Enemies of MOMA. But when he converted
> > to the One True Art he was a loyal disciple who spread the word through the
> > ranks of the infidel. So mock ye not the icons of Mondrian - for through his
> > labours we are brought ever closer to unity with the Great Squared One.
> >
> > All praise the One True Art of Modernism, and its priest Mondrian, who
> > dwelleth in the paradise of MOMA forever and ever.
> >
> > Amen.
> >
> So true are these momatheistic utterings that a humble ne'er-do-well such as I
> can only believe against all belief itself that such wisdom can only emmanate
> from the seat of the great golden kangaroo shrine of the sunny clime.
>
> Erik, the wallpaper guy
>
It does sound a bit like Iian, doesn't it.
mdeli
wrote:
>
>
>> It's funny that they think people like Mondrian who basically just made
>> wallpaper patterns are geniuses.
>
large snip:
>All praise the One True Art of Modernism, and its priest Mondrian, who
>dwelleth in the paradise of MOMA forever and ever.
>
> Amen.
---Or to put it more succinctly:
If it needs a long sermon to proclaim its art its probably BULLSHIT.
Mani DeLi
...no skill no art
A Skeptical View of Modern Art was updated Jan.16,99
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mdeli
>mdeli wrote:
>
>> Pollock couldn't draw, he had no talent, never even said anything
>> intelligent. He is a completely manufactured phenomenon. He was too
>> stupid to be a phoney like the phoney critics and curators who spout
>> Artspeak and managed to rig market prices. I hear there was an
>> exhibition of Pollock drawings at the Metropolitan. Wish I hadn't
>> missed it. As Dali often said, "Sometimes when the painting she is
>> verry bad it ezz verry interesting."
>>
>> Mani DeLi
>> ...no skill no art
>>
>
>I have read your comments off and on for quite some time and I think many of
>your opinions are quite valid, even if expressed in your own inimitable style!
>For the longest time I thought the same about Pollack- a no talent drunk who
>couldn't draw a losing hand in a poker game. Then I saw an exhibition here in
>Houston at the Museum of Fine Arts- what struck me about that were the
>drawings exhibited- a Miro/Picasso mixture that while obviously copies were
>fascinating in their abject weirdness- stuff done for his analyst, etc.
Go look at an average annual art school exhibition and you will see
much the same incompetence.
>
>Taking that in hand I looked hard _for the first time_ at his paintings.
>Lavender Mist particularly intrigued me- I couldn't understand what possessed
>the man to do something like this.
Check out my book for an answer.
> I thought "Well any idiot can do this," so
>I tried it. I cannot begin to tell you how difficult it is to do that sort of
>thing. It is not easy, and it is not a fluke. Insofar as the man was able to
>think (and I admit that's a stretch- he was wildly drunk all of the time) how
>on earth did he come up with a unique technique such as this and still be so
>expressive about it?
What's unique about it. Did you ever see a house painter's drop cloth.
>Abstract expressionism is hard to cope with.
It isn't if one compares it to bath towels floor covering, and patch
quilts.
> Mark Rothko was a deep person,
I think he was a shallow drunk elevated to something he wasn't by
Artspeaking hacks.
>obviously disturbed. But his paintings have this unearthly subtlety to them.
>I am not fond of them but I must say his works here in the Rothko Chapel-
>while on the surface appearing to be a waste of canvas- reveal themselves to
>be much more when viewed in place.
---If you talk yourself into it, much like the Emperor's New Clothes.
> DeKooning used color brilliantly but his
>work by and large leaves me feeling violated- perhaps that is a female
>reaction, I do not know.
Perhaps because it all looks like cat vomit, colored in of course.
>Pollack is easy to dismiss. He is hard to grasp.
I sure Haber has "grasped" him by his elusive pubic hairs. However it
doesn't make his work any better.
nei...@kraz.tafe.tas.edu.au
mark webber <webb...@TIGER.UOFS.EDU> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 emat...@tomatoweb.com wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Avert thine ears from this blasphemy! Number yourself amongst The
Philistines
> > > who would raze the temple of Modernism, and despoil the Urinal of Duchamp!
> > > The inner mysteries which comprise the One True Art shalt always be hid
from
> > > those who refuse to see. Do not think that Mondrian madeth wallpaper for
the
> > > decoration of the abodes of the Big Bad Bourgeoisie; he was engaged upon
an
> > > ascetic pilgrimmage through the Desert of Primary Coloured Squares to the
> > > Apotheosis of Experience. In his youth Mondrian painted landscapes which
> > > were decadant in their realism, but he soon forsook the Accursed Path and
> > > embraced the Light Fantastic. Like the prodigious Picasso - of whom it is
> > > written out-painted Bouguereau, Raphael and Ingres by the age of thirteen
-,
> > > Mondrian was once numbered among the Enemies of MOMA. But when he
converted
> > > to the One True Art he was a loyal disciple who spread the word through
the
> > > ranks of the infidel. So mock ye not the icons of Mondrian - for through
his
> > > labours we are brought ever closer to unity with the Great Squared One.
> > >
> > > dwelleth in the paradise of MOMA forever and ever.
> > >
> > > Amen.
> > >
I
> > can only believe against all belief itself that such wisdom can only
emmanate
> > from the seat of the great golden kangaroo shrine of the sunny clime.
> >
> > Erik, the wallpaper guy
>
> It does sound a bit like Iian, doesn't it.
I would have said it sounded more like Louis Moreau Gottschalk, but there we
are ...
In any case, I am sure that the Prophet of MOMA is aware that the critical
situation concerning the 19th century Academics is not so bad as it once was;
indeed, in some circles they seem to be undergoing something of a
renaissance. The Prophet's epistle - I imagine - was directed against those
Modernists who may still be around, not against those who have learnt from
history's mistakes.
Regards,
Iian Neill.
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