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The Doctor
Sep 29, 2012, 10:23:06 PM9/29/12
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iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
Similarities and differences please.
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Similarities and differences please.
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MDS
Sep 29, 2012, 10:39:13 PM9/29/12
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The Doctor wrote:
>
> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Similarities and differences please.
One very big difference is that Amy and Rory were a real couple, whereas
>
> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Similarities and differences please.
Ian and Barbara were not allowed to develop into a couple. I have read
that William Russell regretted not being Barbara's clear romantic
interest.
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MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
Agamemnon
Sep 29, 2012, 10:53:24 PM9/29/12
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
Nope.
Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
Rose and Mickey.
Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
Brian
Sep 29, 2012, 11:19:55 PM9/29/12
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The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Similarities and differences please.
I don't mind romance in science fiction stories as long as its controlled
> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Similarities and differences please.
and does not dominate the show. The biggest element in the story should be
science fiction.
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Regards Brian
Charles E. Hardwidge
Sep 29, 2012, 11:50:21 PM9/29/12
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"Brian" <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1418330185370667839....@free.teranews.com...
> I don't mind romance in science fiction stories as long as its controlled
> and does not dominate the show. The biggest element in the story should be
> science fiction.
I agree the dominant theme should be in focus otherwise there's very little
point in having a theme. The thing is the story (where everything happens)
fits in the middle and the actual content related to the theme is lower
down.
Any show (or movie) about X will fail if everything goes through X. A show
should be a show first with "X" being more of an "x" that provides details
that weave themselves through the story.
As an example what about Dracula? Is Dracula a hardcore horror story, or is
it a love story with a lot of prancing around? The horror, or nuts and bolts
of vampires, is actually only a tiny, tiny part of the story. Take out the
love story and prancing around and you may as well be reading a car manual
for all the joy it will give you.
A good sci-fi show is like a good meal. You're presented with an impression
of good cuisine of the kind you like, an awful lot of carbohydrates,
protein, and vegetable matter (which could go through a blender and be just
as nutritious) but without the smell it would be nothing.
So are you really, really sure you want a sci-fi show to be completely
dominated by sci-fi, or something else?
--
Charles E. Hardwidge
news:1418330185370667839....@free.teranews.com...
> I don't mind romance in science fiction stories as long as its controlled
> and does not dominate the show. The biggest element in the story should be
> science fiction.
point in having a theme. The thing is the story (where everything happens)
fits in the middle and the actual content related to the theme is lower
down.
Any show (or movie) about X will fail if everything goes through X. A show
should be a show first with "X" being more of an "x" that provides details
that weave themselves through the story.
As an example what about Dracula? Is Dracula a hardcore horror story, or is
it a love story with a lot of prancing around? The horror, or nuts and bolts
of vampires, is actually only a tiny, tiny part of the story. Take out the
love story and prancing around and you may as well be reading a car manual
for all the joy it will give you.
A good sci-fi show is like a good meal. You're presented with an impression
of good cuisine of the kind you like, an awful lot of carbohydrates,
protein, and vegetable matter (which could go through a blender and be just
as nutritious) but without the smell it would be nothing.
So are you really, really sure you want a sci-fi show to be completely
dominated by sci-fi, or something else?
--
Charles E. Hardwidge
Mike Hall
Sep 30, 2012, 5:41:33 AM9/30/12
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On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Nope.
> Rose and Mickey.
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Nope.
Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
Mike Hall
Adam H. Kerman
Sep 30, 2012, 5:47:14 AM9/30/12
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Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
>Rose and Mickey.
>Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
You forgot Turlow and himself.
Which of these were couples for multiple episodes, aside from Rose
and Mickey? Andred seemed to be introduced as a way to get Leela
off the show. Same with Prof Jones, who might have shown up many
episodes sooner to rid us of Jo Grant.
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>Nope.
>Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
Prof Clifford Jones
>>iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>Nope.
>Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
>Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
>Rose and Mickey.
>Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
Which of these were couples for multiple episodes, aside from Rose
and Mickey? Andred seemed to be introduced as a way to get Leela
off the show. Same with Prof Jones, who might have shown up many
episodes sooner to rid us of Jo Grant.
solar penguin
Sep 30, 2012, 6:45:01 AM9/30/12
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Agamemnon wrote:
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> > iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
> Nope.
>
> Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
>
> Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>
> Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
>
> Rose and Mickey.
>
> Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>
> Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>
> Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
>
Doctor and Jamie (if some fans are to be believed!)
Doctor and his own daughter (in real life, but thankfully not in the
story!)
MH
Sep 30, 2012, 7:17:12 AM9/30/12
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fall in love with someone random from her last story. Bonnie Langford
with Sabalom Glitz (or Sam Maxstead from Ace of Wands as I think of
him) is another one. And Nyssa with Loud King Brian Blessed.
That;s not the same as a pair of companions falling for each other.
--
Mike Hubbard <*>
[_f] Be the first of your friends to like this.
Jerry Brown
Sep 30, 2012, 8:16:53 AM9/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:17:12 +0100, MH <mhNO...@all.gov.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:41:33 +0100, Mike Hall
><tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>
>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>
>The most common way for a companion to leave is for her to suddenly
>fall in love with someone random from her last story. Bonnie Langford
>with Sabalom Glitz (or Sam Maxstead from Ace of Wands as I think of
>him) is another one. And Nyssa with Loud King Brian Blessed.
>
s/Nyssa/Peri/
>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:41:33 +0100, Mike Hall
><tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>
>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>
>The most common way for a companion to leave is for her to suddenly
>fall in love with someone random from her last story. Bonnie Langford
>with Sabalom Glitz (or Sam Maxstead from Ace of Wands as I think of
>him) is another one. And Nyssa with Loud King Brian Blessed.
>
>
>That;s not the same as a pair of companions falling for each other.
--
Jerry Brown
>That;s not the same as a pair of companions falling for each other.
--
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 8:28:33 AM9/30/12
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The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 8:32:01 AM9/30/12
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In article <15KdnVSfi6W4KfrN...@eclipse.net.uk>,
>
>Rose and Mickey.
They were not yet married. Moreso a modern Ian and Barbara though.
>
>Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>
>Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>
>Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
>
Not in the class of Ian and Barbara AND Rose and mickey.
Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
>Nope.
>
>Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
>
>Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>
>Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
Those happened at the end.
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>
>Nope.
>
>Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
>
>Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>
>Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
>
>Rose and Mickey.
They were not yet married. Moreso a modern Ian and Barbara though.
>
>Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>
>Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>
>Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
>
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 8:43:04 AM9/30/12
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In article <htU9s.43134$XZ2....@fx10.am4>,
Does Jack kiss the Doctor?
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 8:43:49 AM9/30/12
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In article <k494f1$grq$2...@news.albasani.net>,
Rose and Mickey in a way remind me of Ian and Barbara.
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 8:44:50 AM9/30/12
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In article <ce613fc7-12ab-4bb6...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Come on River is from an aborted timeline.
Doctor and Susan, well ...
Doctor and Susan, well ...
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 8:45:15 AM9/30/12
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Jerry Brown
Sep 30, 2012, 2:47:37 PM9/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:43:04 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <htU9s.43134$XZ2....@fx10.am4>,
>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>
>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>>
>>
>>Mike Hall
>
>Does Jack kiss the Doctor?
At the end of The Doctor Dances IIRC.
(The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <htU9s.43134$XZ2....@fx10.am4>,
>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>
>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>>
>>
>>Mike Hall
>
>Does Jack kiss the Doctor?
Monsieur Tabernac
Sep 30, 2012, 3:13:26 PM9/30/12
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solar penguin
Sep 30, 2012, 3:32:13 PM9/30/12
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ce613fc7-12ab-4bb6...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Agamemnon wrote:
> >
> >> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >> > iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >> Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
> >>
> >> Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
> >>
> >> Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
> >>
> >> Rose and Mickey.
> >>
> >> Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
> >>
> >> Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
> >>
> >> Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
> >>
> >
> >Doctor and River.
> >
> >Doctor and Jamie (if some fans are to be believed!)
bedroom.
> >
> >Doctor and his own daughter (in real life, but thankfully not in the
> >story!)
>
> Come on River is from an aborted timeline.
Talking of the Doctor's wives, there's also the Doctor and "Sexy".
>
> Doctor and Susan, well ...
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 4:18:34 PM9/30/12
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In article <lt4h685daalnmvsku...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
I thought that was Rose and the Doctor.
>--
>Jerry Brown
>
>A cat may look at a king
>(but probably won't bother)
>--
>Jerry Brown
>
>A cat may look at a king
>(but probably won't bother)
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 4:20:05 PM9/30/12
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In article <cfe65c3f-9e33-4a6b...@i14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> >Doctor and his own daughter (in real life, but thankfully not in the
>> >story!)
>>
>> Come on River is from an aborted timeline.
>
>She's not. Her marriage is. But she still calls him husband.
>
>Talking of the Doctor's wives, there's also the Doctor and "Sexy".
>
>>
>> Doctor and Susan, well ...
>
>I said daughter, not granddaughter. And real-life, not fiction.
We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <ce613fc7-12ab-4bb6...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Agamemnon wrote:
>> >
>> >> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> >> > iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>> >>
>> >> Nope.
>> >>
>> >> Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
>> >>
>> >> Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>> >>
>> >> Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
>> >>
>> >> Rose and Mickey.
>> >>
>> >> Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>> >>
>> >> Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>> >>
>> >> Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Doctor and River.
>> >
>> >Doctor and Jamie (if some fans are to be believed!)
>
>Oh, and if we're including same-sex couples, Tegan and Nyssa shared a
>bedroom.
>
No thank you.
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <ce613fc7-12ab-4bb6...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Agamemnon wrote:
>> >
>> >> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> >> > iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>> >>
>> >> Nope.
>> >>
>> >> Jo Grant and that Welsh guy.
>> >>
>> >> Leela and Andred (or whatever he was called).
>> >>
>> >> Peri and the guy played by Brian Blessed.
>> >>
>> >> Rose and Mickey.
>> >>
>> >> Donna and whatever the guy's name was who got eaten by a spider.
>> >>
>> >> Rose and the Doctor/Doctor's clone.
>> >>
>> >> Donna and whatever the other guy she married's name was.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Doctor and River.
>> >
>> >Doctor and Jamie (if some fans are to be believed!)
>
>Oh, and if we're including same-sex couples, Tegan and Nyssa shared a
>bedroom.
>
>> >
>> >Doctor and his own daughter (in real life, but thankfully not in the
>> >story!)
>>
>> Come on River is from an aborted timeline.
>
>She's not. Her marriage is. But she still calls him husband.
>
>Talking of the Doctor's wives, there's also the Doctor and "Sexy".
>
>>
>> Doctor and Susan, well ...
>
>I said daughter, not granddaughter. And real-life, not fiction.
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 4:22:25 PM9/30/12
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solar penguin
Sep 30, 2012, 4:35:36 PM9/30/12
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The Doctor wrote:
>
> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
>
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 4:36:11 PM9/30/12
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In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
solar penguin
Sep 30, 2012, 5:05:36 PM9/30/12
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
> >>
> >
> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
> >
>
> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
> --
one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
establish that she's on Gallifrey.
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 5:07:33 PM9/30/12
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In article <c6663902-6f2a-425f...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >The Doctor wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
>> >
>>
>> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
>> --
>
>You don't need a wife to be called a grandfather. You don't even need
>one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
>establish that she's on Gallifrey.
Where else could she be and how can Susan get telepathic powers?
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >The Doctor wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
>> >
>>
>> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
>> --
>
>You don't need a wife to be called a grandfather. You don't even need
>one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
>establish that she's on Gallifrey.
solar penguin
Sep 30, 2012, 5:18:33 PM9/30/12
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <c6663902-6f2a-425f...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
> >> >
> >>
> >> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
> >> --
> >
> >You don't need a wife to be called a grandfather. You don't even need
> >one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
> >establish that she's on Gallifrey.
>
> Where else could she be and how can Susan get telepathic powers?
> --
happened in the first place. Or that the concept of marriage even
exists on Gallifrey at all.
AFAIK all Gallifreyans have latent psychic powers, not just the ones
whose grandparents just happened to be married.
Jerry Brown
Sep 30, 2012, 5:46:55 PM9/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:18:34 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
a similar scene at the end of Starman where Jeff Bridges first kisses
Karen Allen, then Charles Martin Smith.
(The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <lt4h685daalnmvsku...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:43:04 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>(The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <htU9s.43134$XZ2....@fx10.am4>,
>>>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>>>
>>>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike Hall
>>>
>>>Does Jack kiss the Doctor?
>>
>>At the end of The Doctor Dances IIRC.
>>
>
>I thought that was Rose and the Doctor.
>
Firdt Rose, then the Doctor. At the time I thought it was referencing
>In article <lt4h685daalnmvsku...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:43:04 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
>>(The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <htU9s.43134$XZ2....@fx10.am4>,
>>>Mike Hall <tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>>>
>>>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike Hall
>>>
>>>Does Jack kiss the Doctor?
>>
>>At the end of The Doctor Dances IIRC.
>>
>
>I thought that was Rose and the Doctor.
>
a similar scene at the end of Starman where Jeff Bridges first kisses
Karen Allen, then Charles Martin Smith.
solar penguin
Sep 30, 2012, 5:59:56 PM9/30/12
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solar penguin wrote:
> The Doctor wrote:
>
> > In article <c6663902-6f2a-425f...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> > solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >The Doctor wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >The Doctor wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
> > >> --
> > >
> > >You don't need a wife to be called a grandfather. You don't even need
> > >one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
> > >establish that she's on Gallifrey.
> >
> > Where else could she be and how can Susan get telepathic powers?
> > --
>
> Never mind where she is, it isn't even clear that this marriage ever
> happened in the first place. Or that the concept of marriage even
> exists on Gallifrey at all.
>
> AFAIK all Gallifreyans have latent psychic powers, not just the ones
> whose grandparents just happened to be married.
psychic powers can only be inherited through family lines where the
children are legitimate.
Not that you ever answered any of my questions about this theory of
yours:
<news:dsjgaf$cu1$8...@gallifrey.nk.ca>
https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/53e23fc454b2bcf2?hl=en&dmode=source
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 7:35:13 PM9/30/12
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In article <b625f23c-92c6-4def...@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
What about the Doctor's mum in Death comes to time?
MH
Sep 30, 2012, 7:35:18 PM9/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:16:53 +0100, Jerry Brown
<je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:17:12 +0100, MH <mhNO...@all.gov.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:41:33 +0100, Mike Hall
>><tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>>
>>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>>
>>The most common way for a companion to leave is for her to suddenly
>>fall in love with someone random from her last story. Bonnie Langford
>>with Sabalom Glitz (or Sam Maxstead from Ace of Wands as I think of
>>him) is another one. And Nyssa with Loud King Brian Blessed.
>>
>s/Nyssa/Peri/
Yes, you're right. It was Peri.
<je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:17:12 +0100, MH <mhNO...@all.gov.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:41:33 +0100, Mike Hall
>><tar...@spam3spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 30/09/2012 03:53, Agamemnon wrote:
>>>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:k48aea$qht$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>> iAll right Amy and Rory, first couple since Ian and Barbara.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> Rose and Mickey.
>>>
>>>Rose and Mickey were not really a couple when travelling with the
>>>Doctor. The others (deleted for brevity) were not official companions
>>>as a couple. Captain Jack probably counts as a couple though.
>>
>>The most common way for a companion to leave is for her to suddenly
>>fall in love with someone random from her last story. Bonnie Langford
>>with Sabalom Glitz (or Sam Maxstead from Ace of Wands as I think of
>>him) is another one. And Nyssa with Loud King Brian Blessed.
>>
>s/Nyssa/Peri/
The Doctor
Sep 30, 2012, 7:36:31 PM9/30/12
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solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 3:20:02 AM10/1/12
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BBC website, wasn't it? You're saying he married his own mother it
it!?! I've never actually heard it, but most fans agree that its
depiction of the Doctor and Gallifrey doesn't fit with continuity, so
it probably count even if he did.
http://tardiseruditorum.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/time-can-be-rewritten-31-death-comes-to.html
solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 3:36:45 AM10/1/12
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failed to explain it, despite all my questions. I recall concluding
you were talking a load of bullshit as usual.
If you want to convince me, you'll have to do better than that.
How do clairvoyant/psychic/prophetic powers _only_ develop in people
whose parents (or grandparents) were married? Where did you hear
about it? Is there any evidence behind it? Any research done by
parapsychologists investigating clairvoyants' family backgrounds, or
anything like that?
And on the biological angle, what exactly happens during meiosis to
prevent genes for psi-powers being passed on to bastards? How do the
cell nuclei know whether or not someone just happens to have said "I
do"? How does this mechanism take into account that women only
produce eggs in childhood, long before marriage, and they're
stockpiled for use later?
And what about those animals who have no concept of marriage as we
understand it, but have been known to show a kind of sixth sense?
I do try to keep an open mind regarding psi-powers, but your theory is
so far fetched that even I'm struggling!
The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 10:09:09 AM10/1/12
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In article <5e732ac1-3dcd-44b0...@e14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Death Comes to Time was rated 0/10. That was just a terrible ending!
The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 10:09:37 AM10/1/12
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solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 3:54:49 PM10/1/12
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was something to do with killing off the seventh Doctor in a way that
deliberately contradicted the TVM.
Are you saying the ending was the seventh Doctor marrying his own
mother!?!
But even if that's right, it still doesn't prove the first Doctor was
actually married to Susan's grandmother, or that she is still alive on
Gallifrey.
solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 3:55:57 PM10/1/12
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The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 4:07:03 PM10/1/12
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The Doctor
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solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 4:15:29 PM10/1/12
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solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 4:18:33 PM10/1/12
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regions of the brain. Not your actual telepathy itself inside the
genes. That would be silly.
The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 4:22:47 PM10/1/12
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The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 4:23:19 PM10/1/12
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solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 4:33:18 PM10/1/12
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solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 4:34:38 PM10/1/12
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The End Of Time?
The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 4:37:17 PM10/1/12
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The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 4:38:13 PM10/1/12
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In article <d4ce3220-80a3-4a29...@l18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
We saw the Doctor's Mother. Surely the Doctor's wife is
still around.
Recall The Doctor and Susan were cut off from Gallifrey.
still around.
Recall The Doctor and Susan were cut off from Gallifrey.
solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 4:53:49 PM10/1/12
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Comes To Time?
> Surely the Doctor's wife is still around.
And wouldn't that make his marriage to his mother bigamy as well as
incest?
>
> Recall The Doctor and Susan were cut off from Gallifrey.
of just lovers. That is my point. Can you prove they actually had a
marriage certificate instead of simply being lovers?
It's a very simple question. So stop trying to complicate it with DNA
and telepathy and the Doctor's mother and all that other bullshit, and
just answer it.
And then, once you've done that, can you prove that this alleged wife
is still alive and hasn't been exterminated fighting on the front line
in the Time War?
solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 4:58:30 PM10/1/12
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Now for the next step
Why do you claim those genes _wouldn't_ have been there if her
grandparents had simply been lovers instead of being officially
married? What would have prevented those genes from being there.
solar penguin
Oct 1, 2012, 5:03:52 PM10/1/12
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solar penguin wrote:
>
> They were, but the Doctor and Susan's grandmother were married instead
> of just lovers.
meant it as a rhetorical question. Sorry for any confusion.
Irkin Invader Zim
Oct 1, 2012, 5:40:36 PM10/1/12
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> > In article <b625f23c-92c6-4def-a275-098ee3c84...@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> In article <c6663902-6f2a-425f-b95d-301a0cafb...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> >> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5-b465-0d9ad54a0...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Tell me how in the hell that hotel works.
- Doctor said Rory would be 'zapped back' about 30 years, right?
It's the 1930s, right?
So how long has that "hotel" been there?
Would you just keep escaping and getting re-zapped back over and over
again until it's the 1400s and Columbus is knocking on your door?
Also how would you survive in that hotel?
It's already given that you age to death.
But is there room service?
Sooner or later someone will need to eat and drink.
Are there toilet facilities? Could be messy, too.
I would say someone would starve to death before anything else.
OR die of heart attack from shock of opening the door and seeing an
angel.
So many plot holes with that place the Doctor could harvest their
energy and re-visit Rory and Amy back in the 1930s....1900s?...eh,
whatever (whenever?).
Oh and the Statue of Liberty is made mostly out of copper, not stone.
> > >> In article <c6663902-6f2a-425f-b95d-301a0cafb...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> >> In article <c43269f8-ef02-4bd5-b465-0d9ad54a0...@h4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> >> solar penguin <solar.peng...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
>
> > >> >> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
>
> > >> >> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
> > >> >> --
>
> > >> >You don't need a wife to be called a grandfather. You don't even need
> > >> >one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
> > >> >establish that she's on Gallifrey.
>
> > >> Where else could she be and how can Susan get telepathic powers?
> > >> --
>
> > >Never mind where she is, it isn't even clear that this marriage ever
> > >happened in the first place. Or that the concept of marriage even
> > >exists on Gallifrey at all.
>
> > >AFAIK all Gallifreyans have latent psychic powers, not just the ones
> > >whose grandparents just happened to be married.
>
> > What about the Doctor's mum in Death comes to time?
> > --
>
> "Death Comes To Time" was one of those semi-animated podcasts on the
> BBC website, wasn't it? You're saying he married his own mother it
> it!?! I've never actually heard it, but most fans agree that its
> depiction of the Doctor and Gallifrey doesn't fit with continuity, so
> it probably count even if he did.http://tardiseruditorum.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/time-can-be-rewritten-...
>
> > >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> We know the Doctor's real wife is somewhere on Gallifrey.
>
> > >> >> >Do we? I didn't know that. Which story was that established in?
>
> > >> >> When Susan calls out Grandfathe for starters.
> > >> >> --
>
> > >> >You don't need a wife to be called a grandfather. You don't even need
> > >> >one to be a grandfather. But even if he did have a wife, it doesn't
> > >> >establish that she's on Gallifrey.
>
> > >> Where else could she be and how can Susan get telepathic powers?
> > >> --
>
> > >Never mind where she is, it isn't even clear that this marriage ever
> > >happened in the first place. Or that the concept of marriage even
> > >exists on Gallifrey at all.
>
> > >AFAIK all Gallifreyans have latent psychic powers, not just the ones
> > >whose grandparents just happened to be married.
>
> > What about the Doctor's mum in Death comes to time?
> > --
>
> "Death Comes To Time" was one of those semi-animated podcasts on the
> BBC website, wasn't it? You're saying he married his own mother it
> it!?! I've never actually heard it, but most fans agree that its
> depiction of the Doctor and Gallifrey doesn't fit with continuity, so
Tell me how in the hell that hotel works.
- Doctor said Rory would be 'zapped back' about 30 years, right?
It's the 1930s, right?
So how long has that "hotel" been there?
Would you just keep escaping and getting re-zapped back over and over
again until it's the 1400s and Columbus is knocking on your door?
Also how would you survive in that hotel?
It's already given that you age to death.
But is there room service?
Sooner or later someone will need to eat and drink.
Are there toilet facilities? Could be messy, too.
I would say someone would starve to death before anything else.
OR die of heart attack from shock of opening the door and seeing an
angel.
So many plot holes with that place the Doctor could harvest their
energy and re-visit Rory and Amy back in the 1930s....1900s?...eh,
whatever (whenever?).
Oh and the Statue of Liberty is made mostly out of copper, not stone.
The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 5:48:08 PM10/1/12
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In article <9309e664-7595-4071...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
No
>> Surely the Doctor's wife is still around.
>
>Which wife? The TARDIS? River? Elizabeth I? Marilyn Monroe?
>
Susan's grandmother.
>And wouldn't that make his marriage to his mother bigamy as well as
>incest?
>
>>
>> Recall The Doctor and Susan were cut off from Gallifrey.
>
>They were, but the Doctor and Susan's grandmother were married instead
>of just lovers. That is my point. Can you prove they actually had a
>marriage certificate instead of simply being lovers?
>
>It's a very simple question. So stop trying to complicate it with DNA
>and telepathy and the Doctor's mother and all that other bullshit, and
>just answer it.
>
>And then, once you've done that, can you prove that this alleged wife
>is still alive and hasn't been exterminated fighting on the front line
>in the Time War?
Still Gallifrey is in limbo.
>> Surely the Doctor's wife is still around.
>
>Which wife? The TARDIS? River? Elizabeth I? Marilyn Monroe?
>
>And wouldn't that make his marriage to his mother bigamy as well as
>incest?
>
>>
>> Recall The Doctor and Susan were cut off from Gallifrey.
>
>They were, but the Doctor and Susan's grandmother were married instead
>of just lovers. That is my point. Can you prove they actually had a
>marriage certificate instead of simply being lovers?
>
>It's a very simple question. So stop trying to complicate it with DNA
>and telepathy and the Doctor's mother and all that other bullshit, and
>just answer it.
>
>And then, once you've done that, can you prove that this alleged wife
>is still alive and hasn't been exterminated fighting on the front line
>in the Time War?
The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 5:49:26 PM10/1/12
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The Doctor
Oct 1, 2012, 5:49:54 PM10/1/12
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solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 4:05:49 AM10/2/12
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <9309e664-7595-4071...@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <d4ce3220-80a3-4a29...@l18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <0ee0eeef-64fb-4ea4...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article <f8d2f2ff-ffab-40bf...@r10g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> In article <5e732ac1-3dcd-44b0...@e14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> In article <b625f23c-92c6-4def...@m4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Never mind where she is, it isn't even clear that this marriage ever
> >> >> >> >> >> >happened in the first place. Or that the concept of marriage even
> >> >> >> >> >> >exists on Gallifrey at all.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
> >> Surely the Doctor's wife is still around.
> >
> >Which wife? The TARDIS? River? Elizabeth I? Marilyn Monroe?
> >
>
> Susan's grandmother.
>
not the more likely scenario that she was just his lover. (There's no
evidence in any episode that Gallifreyan culture even has a concept of
marriage.) That's what you're trying to prove, remember.
> >And wouldn't that make his marriage to his mother bigamy as well as
> >incest?
> >
> >>
> >> Recall The Doctor and Susan were cut off from Gallifrey.
> >
> >They were, but the Doctor and Susan's grandmother were married instead
> >marriage certificate instead of simply being lovers?
> >
> >It's a very simple question. So stop trying to complicate it with DNA
> >and telepathy and the Doctor's mother and all that other bullshit, and
> >just answer it.
> >
> >And then, once you've done that, can you prove that this alleged wife
> >is still alive and hasn't been exterminated fighting on the front line
> >in the Time War?
>
> Still Gallifrey is in limbo.
> --
But that still doesn't prove whether Gallifreyan culture has a concept
> >
> >It's a very simple question. So stop trying to complicate it with DNA
> >and telepathy and the Doctor's mother and all that other bullshit, and
> >just answer it.
> >
> >And then, once you've done that, can you prove that this alleged wife
> >is still alive and hasn't been exterminated fighting on the front line
> >in the Time War?
>
> Still Gallifrey is in limbo.
> --
of marriage. Or whether the Doctor officially married Susan's
grandmother instead of simply being casual lovers. That's what you're
supposed to prove.
solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 4:07:52 AM10/2/12
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Now what is your answer?
Andy Leighton
Oct 2, 2012, 5:49:00 AM10/2/12
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT), solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Within that DNA must lie telepathy.
>
>
>
> The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Within that DNA must lie telepathy.
>
> Not quite. Within that DNA must lie the genes for building telepathic
> regions of the brain. Not your actual telepathy itself inside the
> genes. That would be silly.
Of course the telepathy could be due to manipulation after birth.
> regions of the brain. Not your actual telepathy itself inside the
> genes. That would be silly.
Maybe through a combination of advanced genetic engineering and
nano-engineering.
--
Andy Leighton => an...@azaal.plus.com
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 10:56:18 AM10/2/12
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In article <9b187f02-bb45-46eb...@p22g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Then ask yourself what happened pre-time-war?
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 10:56:46 AM10/2/12
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solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 12:19:16 PM10/2/12
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powers. It doesn't explain why.
This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? When losing the
argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
supposedly explains everything.
The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which explained
that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
<news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
<https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce8c?
hl=en&dmode=source>
Of course, there's no such scene. We weren't fooled then, and I'm not
fooled by the same trick now.
solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 12:29:35 PM10/2/12
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Marriage implies commitment, dedication, belonging, and that's
something the Doctor hates. Even if Gallifrey had an institution of
marriage, I couldn't see the Doctor doing it.
I could see him taking a lover once, simply out of curiosity, and even
getting her pregnant. But then he'd get bored, and move on to try
something else, such as ice cream juggling.
His dumped lover would then regenerate herself into a man, call
herself The Master, and pursue a love/hate relationship with him
throughout time and space.
That's my answer to what happened pre-Time War.
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 2:54:34 PM10/2/12
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The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 2:55:00 PM10/2/12
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solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 3:05:10 PM10/2/12
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explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) if
they exist.
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 3:06:13 PM10/2/12
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In article <a01efaaa-9174-4054...@cf4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 3:19:55 PM10/2/12
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was married.
solar penguin
Oct 2, 2012, 3:21:09 PM10/2/12
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Stephen Wilson
Oct 2, 2012, 4:16:14 PM10/2/12
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:k4fdv4$jel$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >OK, I'll ask. "Why is she telepathic?"
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>>> >>
>>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
>>> >> --
>>> >
>>> >No. The Sensorites establishes that she was latent telepathic
>>> >powers. It doesn't explain why.
>>> >
>>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? When losing the
>>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
>>> >supposedly explains everything.
>>> >
>>> >The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which explained
>>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
>>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
>>> ><news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce8c?hl=en&dmode=source
>>> >
>>> >Of course, there's no such scene. We weren't fooled then, and I'm not
>>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>>>
>>> Care to see the video clip?
>>> --
>>
>>Yes please. In fact, I'd like to see both video clips (the telepathy
>>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) if
>>they exist.
>
> I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
Congratulations. You said it explains why Susan is telepathic. So why don't
>>> >> >OK, I'll ask. "Why is she telepathic?"
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>>> >>
>>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
>>> >> --
>>> >
>>> >No. The Sensorites establishes that she was latent telepathic
>>> >powers. It doesn't explain why.
>>> >
>>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? When losing the
>>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
>>> >supposedly explains everything.
>>> >
>>> >The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which explained
>>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
>>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
>>> ><news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce8c?hl=en&dmode=source
>>> >
>>> >Of course, there's no such scene. We weren't fooled then, and I'm not
>>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>>>
>>> Care to see the video clip?
>>> --
>>
>>Yes please. In fact, I'd like to see both video clips (the telepathy
>>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) if
>>they exist.
>
> I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation is.
Irkin Invader Zim
Oct 2, 2012, 4:20:33 PM10/2/12
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On Oct 2, 4:16 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
<stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>
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>
>
> >>> >> >OK, I'll ask. "Why is she telepathic?"
>
> >>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>
> >>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
> >>> >> --
>
> >>> >No. The Sensorites establishes that she was latent telepathic
> >>> >powers. It doesn't explain why.
>
> >>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? When losing the
> >>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
> >>> >supposedly explains everything.
>
> >>> >The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which explained
> >>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
> >>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
> >>> ><news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
> >>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce8c?h...
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> news:k4fdv4$jel$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
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>
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> >>> >> >OK, I'll ask. "Why is she telepathic?"
>
> >>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>
> >>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
> >>> >> --
>
> >>> >No. The Sensorites establishes that she was latent telepathic
> >>> >powers. It doesn't explain why.
>
> >>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? When losing the
> >>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
> >>> >supposedly explains everything.
>
> >>> >The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which explained
> >>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
> >>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
> >>> ><news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>
> >>> >Of course, there's no such scene. We weren't fooled then, and I'm not
> >>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>
> >>> Care to see the video clip?
> >>> --
>
> >>Yes please. In fact, I'd like to see both video clips (the telepathy
> >>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) if
> >>they exist.
>
> > I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
>
> Congratulations. You said it explains why Susan is telepathic. So why don't
> you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation is.
Why don't you guys just find a TARDIS and shut UP already
> >>> >Of course, there's no such scene. We weren't fooled then, and I'm not
> >>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>
> >>> Care to see the video clip?
> >>> --
>
> >>Yes please. In fact, I'd like to see both video clips (the telepathy
> >>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) if
> >>they exist.
>
> > I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
>
> Congratulations. You said it explains why Susan is telepathic. So why don't
> you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation is.
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 5:51:27 PM10/2/12
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In article <e10876ac-e2fb-4663...@l18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
Nope. !960s UK, that would be scandalous.
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 5:52:54 PM10/2/12
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The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 5:53:40 PM10/2/12
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In article <iYHas.162425$F52.1...@fx22.am4>,
Youtube time!!
The Doctor
Oct 2, 2012, 5:56:06 PM10/2/12
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In article <046a78ec-7dac-4b22...@c2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Irkin Invader Zim <fitnessf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 2, 4:16=A0pm, "Stephen Wilson"
>> >>> >powers. =A0It doesn't explain why.
>>
>> >>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? =A0When losing the
>com>
>> >>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce8c?=
>h...
>>
>> >>> >Of course, there's no such scene. =A0We weren't fooled then, and I'm=
Irkin Invader Zim <fitnessf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 2, 4:16=A0pm, "Stephen Wilson"
><stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:k4fdv4$jel$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>> >> >OK, I'll ask. =A0"Why is she telepathic?"
>> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:k4fdv4$jel$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> >>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>>
>> >>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
>> >>> >> --
>>
>> >>> >No. =A0The Sensorites establishes that she was latent telepathic
>> >>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>>
>> >>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
>> >>> >> --
>>
>> >>> >powers. =A0It doesn't explain why.
>>
>> >>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? =A0When losing the
>> >>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
>> >>> >supposedly explains everything.
>>
>> >>> >The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which explain=
>> >>> >supposedly explains everything.
>>
>ed
>> >>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
>> >>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
>> >>> ><news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.=
>> >>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
>> >>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
>com>
>> >>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce8c?=
>h...
>>
>> >>> >Of course, there's no such scene. =A0We weren't fooled then, and I'm=
> not
>> >>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>>
>> >>> Care to see the video clip?
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>Yes please. =A0In fact, I'd like to see both video clips (the telepathy
>> >>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>>
>> >>> Care to see the video clip?
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) if
>> >>they exist.
>>
>> > I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
>>
>> Congratulations. You said it explains why Susan is telepathic. So why don=
>> >>they exist.
>>
>> > I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
>>
>'t
>> you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation is.
>
>
>Why don't you guys just find a TARDIS and shut UP already
The Doctor's TARDIS is the only one available.
>> you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation is.
>
>
>Why don't you guys just find a TARDIS and shut UP already
Irkin Invader Zim
Oct 2, 2012, 7:53:49 PM10/2/12
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On Oct 2, 5:56 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <046a78ec-7dac-4b22-8da7-07567cebd...@c2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Well you are SOL then aren't you?
> In article <046a78ec-7dac-4b22-8da7-07567cebd...@c2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin
Oct 3, 2012, 4:06:40 AM10/3/12
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solar penguin
Oct 3, 2012, 4:08:20 AM10/3/12
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The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 7:29:22 AM10/3/12
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In article <84f769b4-03b3-4fb9...@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>> In article <046a78ec-7dac-4b22-8da7-07567cebd...@c2g2000yqe.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> Irkin Invader Zim =A0<fitnessforyou2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Oct 2, 4:16=3DA0pm, "Stephen Wilson"
>c
>> >> >>> >powers. =3DA0It doesn't explain why.
>>
>> >> >>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? =3DA0When losing th=
>ain=3D
>ps.=3D
>> >com>
>> >> >>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce=
>8c?=3D
>> >h...
>>
>> >> >>> >Of course, there's no such scene. =3DA0We weren't fooled then, an=
>d I'm=3D
>pathy
>> >> >>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) =
>don=3D
>> >'t
>> >> you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation =
Irkin Invader Zim <fitnessf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 2, 5:56=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <046a78ec-7dac-4b22-8da7-07567cebd...@c2g2000yqe.googlegroups.=
>com>,
>> Irkin Invader Zim =A0<fitnessforyou2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Oct 2, 4:16=3DA0pm, "Stephen Wilson"
>> ><stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:k4fdv4$jel$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>> >> >>> >> >OK, I'll ask. =3DA0"Why is she telepathic?"
>> >> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:k4fdv4$jel$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>>
>> >> >>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>>
>> >> >>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
>> >> >>> >> --
>>
>> >> >>> >No. =3DA0The Sensorites establishes that she was latent telepathi=
>> >> >>> >> >Now what is your answer?
>>
>> >> >>> >> That was given in the Sensorites.
>> >> >>> >> --
>>
>c
>> >> >>> >powers. =3DA0It doesn't explain why.
>>
>> >> >>> >This is another of your old tricks, isn't it? =3DA0When losing th=
>e
>> >> >>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
>> >> >>> >supposedly explains everything.
>>
>> >> >>> >The last time you did this, you claimed it had a scene which expl=
>> >> >>> >argument, make up some imaginary scene in The Sensorites that
>> >> >>> >supposedly explains everything.
>>
>ain=3D
>> >ed
>> >> >>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
>> >> >>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
>> >> >>> ><news:ae29a061-09e1-4346...@t13g2000yqn.googlegrou=
>> >> >>> >that the reason the first Doctor often wore Edwardian clothes is
>> >> >>> >because he once met Queen Elizabeth I.
>ps.=3D
>> >com>
>> >> >>> >https://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/b1bbc7eba926ce=
>8c?=3D
>> >h...
>>
>> >> >>> >Of course, there's no such scene. =3DA0We weren't fooled then, an=
>d I'm=3D
>> > not
>> >> >>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>>
>> >> >>> Care to see the video clip?
>> >> >>> --
>>
>> >> >>Yes please. =3DA0In fact, I'd like to see both video clips (the tele=
>> >> >>> >fooled by the same trick now.
>>
>> >> >>> Care to see the video clip?
>> >> >>> --
>>
>pathy
>> >> >>explanation, and the Edwardian clothes for Elizabeth I explanation) =
>if
>> >> >>they exist.
>>
>> >> > I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
>>
>> >> Congratulations. You said it explains why Susan is telepathic. So why =
>> >> >>they exist.
>>
>> >> > I converted Sensorites to DVD so ...
>>
>don=3D
>> >'t
>> >> you watch it again and tell us exactly what you think the explanation =
>is.
>>
>> >Why don't you guys just find a TARDIS and shut UP already
>>
>> The Doctor's TARDIS is the only one available.
>> --
>
>
>Well you are SOL then aren't you?
Everyone is Sap out of luck.
>>
>> >Why don't you guys just find a TARDIS and shut UP already
>>
>> The Doctor's TARDIS is the only one available.
>> --
>
>
>Well you are SOL then aren't you?
The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 7:29:57 AM10/3/12
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The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 7:30:20 AM10/3/12
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In article <ef8847c4-c1f9-4459...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
Last time I checked DW was modeled on UK society.
solar penguin
Oct 3, 2012, 7:45:08 AM10/3/12
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ef8847c4-c1f9-4459...@g18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> In article <e10876ac-e2fb-4663...@l18g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <3c88c2d3-0222-4fe1...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article <9b187f02-bb45-46eb...@p22g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> >> solar penguin <solar....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >But you still haven't proved that Susan's grandmother was his wife and
> >> >> >> >not the more likely scenario that she was just his lover. (There's no
> >> >> >> >evidence in any episode that Gallifreyan culture even has a concept of
> >> >> >> >marriage.) That's what you're trying to prove, remember.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Then ask yourself what happened pre-time-war?
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I did. And my answer didn't involve the Doctor getting married.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Marriage implies commitment, dedication, belonging, and that's
> >> >> >something the Doctor hates. Even if Gallifrey had an institution of
> >> >> >marriage, I couldn't see the Doctor doing it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I could see him taking a lover once, simply out of curiosity, and even
> >> >> >getting her pregnant. But then he'd get bored, and move on to try
> >> >> >something else, such as ice cream juggling.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >His dumped lover would then regenerate herself into a man, call
> >> >> >herself The Master, and pursue a love/hate relationship with him
> >> >> >throughout time and space.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That's my answer to what happened pre-Time War.
> >> >>
> >> >> And that makes sense.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >Thank you. So you finally admit that we can't assume the first Doctor
> >> >was married.
> >>
> >> Nope. !960s UK, that would be scandalous.
> >> --
> >
> >Last time I checked, Gallifrey wasn't in the UK.
>
> Last time I checked DW was modeled on UK society.
> --
Was it? When was this? How did you check it?
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I did. And my answer didn't involve the Doctor getting married.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Marriage implies commitment, dedication, belonging, and that's
> >> >> >something the Doctor hates. Even if Gallifrey had an institution of
> >> >> >marriage, I couldn't see the Doctor doing it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I could see him taking a lover once, simply out of curiosity, and even
> >> >> >getting her pregnant. But then he'd get bored, and move on to try
> >> >> >something else, such as ice cream juggling.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >His dumped lover would then regenerate herself into a man, call
> >> >> >herself The Master, and pursue a love/hate relationship with him
> >> >> >throughout time and space.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >That's my answer to what happened pre-Time War.
> >> >>
> >> >> And that makes sense.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >Thank you. So you finally admit that we can't assume the first Doctor
> >> >was married.
> >>
> >> Nope. !960s UK, that would be scandalous.
> >> --
> >
> >Last time I checked, Gallifrey wasn't in the UK.
>
> Last time I checked DW was modeled on UK society.
> --
And even if that was the original intention of the original creators
of DW, both the show and society have moved on from the 1960s. What
was scandalous then is not necessarily scandalous now.
The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 7:48:06 AM10/3/12
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solar penguin
Oct 3, 2012, 8:04:29 AM10/3/12
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The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 8:07:54 AM10/3/12
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In article <a3429c7d-d3da-47ac...@r10g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
then unexplained 'unwanted pregnancies'.
solar penguin
Oct 3, 2012, 8:14:08 AM10/3/12
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1960s. But they're not scandalous any more, which means we now have
organisations like abortion agencies to actively help deal with them.
The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 11:51:41 AM10/3/12
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In article <f9d223df-a1f0-45d4...@h16g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Abortion agencies help? That is a very bad use of words!
solar penguin
Oct 3, 2012, 1:57:25 PM10/3/12
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speak from first hand experience, but I'm told they do help people to
get rid of their unwanted pregnancies.
> That is a very bad use of words!
> --
lot icky. I'd hate to do a job like that. But let's not let our
personal phobias get in the way of solid facts.
However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
that means none of this is relevant.
The Doctor
Oct 3, 2012, 5:23:30 PM10/3/12
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In article <7a6896db-2cf9-4c34...@g4g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
You chose the words.
>
>However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>that means none of this is relevant.
Would it have been?
>
>However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>that means none of this is relevant.
solar penguin
Oct 4, 2012, 4:23:06 AM10/4/12
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> >
> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
> >that means none of this is relevant.
>
> Would it have been?
> --
Relevant to this discussion?
Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
expect me to read the rest from your mind.
Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
grandmother, let alone married her!
The Doctor
Oct 4, 2012, 8:07:18 AM10/4/12
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In article <3b01cf71-5a9f-402c...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
Abortin is another word for convenient murder.
>> >
>> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >that means none of this is relevant.
>>
>> Would it have been?
>> --
>
>Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>Relevant to this discussion?
>
>Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
>it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
>expect me to read the rest from your mind.
>
>Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
>reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
>suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
>pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
>
>And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
>there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
>Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
>Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
>
>All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
>clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
>grandmother, let alone married her!
I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
he is cut off from home and family.
>> >
>> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >that means none of this is relevant.
>>
>> Would it have been?
>> --
>
>Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>Relevant to this discussion?
>
>Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
>it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
>expect me to read the rest from your mind.
>
>Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
>reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
>suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
>pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
>
>And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
>there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
>Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
>Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
>
>All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
>clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
>grandmother, let alone married her!
he is cut off from home and family.
solar penguin
Oct 4, 2012, 9:27:36 AM10/4/12
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convenient that makes it such a big help. That's my point. It helps
because it's so convenient now.
But what has this got to do with DW?
> >> >
> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
> >>
> >> Would it have been?
> >> --
> >
> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
> >Relevant to this discussion?
> >
> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
> >
> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
> >
> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
> >
> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
> >grandmother, let alone married her!
>
> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
> he is cut off from home and family.
> --
The Doctor
Oct 4, 2012, 3:10:10 PM10/4/12
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In article <8004c435-5cc2-4f4c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Abortion is another word for convenient murder.
>> >> >
>> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
>> >>
>> >> Would it have been?
>> >> --
>> >
>> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>> >Relevant to this discussion?
>> >
>
>You didn't answer this.
Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
>
>> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
>> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
>> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
>> >
>> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
>> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
>> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
>> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
>> >
>> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
>> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
>> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
>> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
>> >
>> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
>> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
>> >grandmother, let alone married her!
>>
>> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
>> he is cut off from home and family.
>> --
>
>That doesn't necessarily mean a wife.
Notice the grandfather grandchild relationship.
>>
>
>Yes, convenient. That's right. And it's precisely because it's so
>convenient that makes it such a big help. That's my point. It helps
>because it's so convenient now.
>
>But what has this got to do with DW?
>
You said abortion not me. Also it is unnatural termination.
>
>Yes, convenient. That's right. And it's precisely because it's so
>convenient that makes it such a big help. That's my point. It helps
>because it's so convenient now.
>
>But what has this got to do with DW?
>
>> >> >
>> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
>> >>
>> >> Would it have been?
>> >> --
>> >
>> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>> >Relevant to this discussion?
>> >
>
>You didn't answer this.
>
>> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
>> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
>> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
>> >
>> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
>> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
>> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
>> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
>> >
>> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
>> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
>> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
>> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
>> >
>> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
>> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
>> >grandmother, let alone married her!
>>
>> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
>> he is cut off from home and family.
>> --
>
>That doesn't necessarily mean a wife.
solar penguin
Oct 5, 2012, 3:38:54 AM10/5/12
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that wasn't what you intended by the question, then what is?
> Also it is unnatural termination.
>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
> >> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
> >> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
> >> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
> >> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
> >> >>
> >> >> Would it have been?
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
> >> >Relevant to this discussion?
> >> >
> >
> >You didn't answer this.
>
> Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
>
even if he wasn't married to her grandmother. After all, you don't
have to marry someone's grandmother in order to love them, do you?
> >
> >> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
> >> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
> >> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
> >> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
> >> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
> >> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
> >> >
> >> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
> >> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
> >> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
> >> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
> >> >
> >> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
> >> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
> >> >grandmother, let alone married her!
> >>
> >> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
> >> he is cut off from home and family.
> >> --
> >
> >That doesn't necessarily mean a wife.
>
> Notice the grandfather grandchild relationship.
> --
being married.
The Doctor
Oct 5, 2012, 9:26:32 AM10/5/12
to
In article <5e4766ef-834b-4e16...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
Careful he words you choose.
>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would it have been?
>> >> >> --
>> >> >
>> >> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>> >> >Relevant to this discussion?
>> >> >
>> >
>> >You didn't answer this.
>>
>> Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
>>
>
>Not much of a clue to anything really. He could still have loved her
>even if he wasn't married to her grandmother. After all, you don't
>have to marry someone's grandmother in order to love them, do you?
Say again?
>
>> >
>> >> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
>> >> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
>> >> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
>> >> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
>> >> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
>> >> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
>> >> >
>> >> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
>> >> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
>> >> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
>> >> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
>> >> >
>> >> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
>> >> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
>> >> >grandmother, let alone married her!
>> >>
>> >> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
>> >> he is cut off from home and family.
>> >> --
>> >
>> >That doesn't necessarily mean a wife.
>>
>> Notice the grandfather grandchild relationship.
>> --
>
>But like I keep saying, it's possible to be a grandfather without
>being married.
>
Come on you!
>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would it have been?
>> >> >> --
>> >> >
>> >> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>> >> >Relevant to this discussion?
>> >> >
>> >
>> >You didn't answer this.
>>
>> Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
>>
>
>Not much of a clue to anything really. He could still have loved her
>even if he wasn't married to her grandmother. After all, you don't
>have to marry someone's grandmother in order to love them, do you?
>
>> >
>> >> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
>> >> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
>> >> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
>> >> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
>> >> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
>> >> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
>> >> >
>> >> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
>> >> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
>> >> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
>> >> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
>> >> >
>> >> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
>> >> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
>> >> >grandmother, let alone married her!
>> >>
>> >> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
>> >> he is cut off from home and family.
>> >> --
>> >
>> >That doesn't necessarily mean a wife.
>>
>> Notice the grandfather grandchild relationship.
>> --
>
>But like I keep saying, it's possible to be a grandfather without
>being married.
>
solar penguin
Oct 5, 2012, 11:00:30 AM10/5/12
to
do you have a problem with them?
> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
> >> >> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
> >> >> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
> >> >> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
> >> >> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Would it have been?
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
> >> >> >Relevant to this discussion?
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >You didn't answer this.
> >>
> >> Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
> >>
> >
> >Not much of a clue to anything really. He could still have loved her
> >even if he wasn't married to her grandmother. After all, you don't
> >have to marry someone's grandmother in order to love them, do you?
>
> Say again?
>
wasn't married to her grandmother.
What's so odd about that? I know a grandfather who loves his
granddaughter even though he isn't married to her grandmother.
> >
> >> >
> >> >> >Unlike Susan, I don't have the DNA for Time Lord-style telepathy, so
> >> >> >it's best if you don't ask questions in incomplete half-sentences and
> >> >> >expect me to read the rest from your mind.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Anyway, if you meant "Would it have been a pregnancy?" then, that
> >> >> >reminds me, there's all that business with the Looms in Lungbarrow,
> >> >> >suggesting that Time Lords don't reproduce sexually at all. This
> >> >> >pretty much knocks your "wife" theory dead.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And since we've started looking at printed stories, not just TV,
> >> >> >there's also Eric Saward's short story revealing that Susan is in fact
> >> >> >Lady Larn who stowed away on board the TARDIS and merely pretends the
> >> >> >Doctor is her grandfather to prevent the Time Lords tracing her.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >All in all, once you take printed stories into account, there's no
> >> >> >clear evidence that the first Doctor ever even knew Susan's
> >> >> >grandmother, let alone married her!
> >> >>
> >> >> I have my doubts. In Unearthly Child, the Doctor says
> >> >> he is cut off from home and family.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >That doesn't necessarily mean a wife.
> >>
> >> Notice the grandfather grandchild relationship.
> >> --
> >
> >But like I keep saying, it's possible to be a grandfather without
> >being married.
> >
>
> Come on you!
> --
Don't you? Every family probably has at least one nowadays.
Stephen Wilson
Oct 5, 2012, 2:01:24 PM10/5/12
to
news:k4mn68$adf$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> >>
>>> >> Abortion is another word for convenient murder.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Yes, convenient. That's right. And it's precisely because it's so
>>> >convenient that makes it such a big help. That's my point. It helps
>>> >because it's so convenient now.
>>> >
>>> >But what has this got to do with DW?
>>> >
>>>
>>> You said abortion not me.
>>
>>Only in response to your question about 'unwanted pregnancies'. If
>>that wasn't what you intended by the question, then what is?
>>
>>> Also it is unnatural termination.
>>>
>>
>>Yes I know that. What is your point?
>
> Careful he words you choose.
And what a wonderful point that is. Yads, you're a legend.
>>> >> Abortion is another word for convenient murder.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Yes, convenient. That's right. And it's precisely because it's so
>>> >convenient that makes it such a big help. That's my point. It helps
>>> >because it's so convenient now.
>>> >
>>> >But what has this got to do with DW?
>>> >
>>>
>>> You said abortion not me.
>>
>>Only in response to your question about 'unwanted pregnancies'. If
>>that wasn't what you intended by the question, then what is?
>>
>>> Also it is unnatural termination.
>>>
>>
>>Yes I know that. What is your point?
>
> Careful he words you choose.
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The Doctor
Oct 5, 2012, 5:14:06 PM10/5/12
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In article <99e8efc1-8df0-44e3...@y6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Abortion not a word for the carefully chosen.
>> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >> >> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >> >> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >> >> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >> >> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Would it have been?
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>> >> >> >Relevant to this discussion?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >You didn't answer this.
>> >>
>> >> Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
>> >>
>> >
>> >Not much of a clue to anything really. He could still have loved her
>> >even if he wasn't married to her grandmother. After all, you don't
>> >have to marry someone's grandmother in order to love them, do you?
>>
>> Say again?
>>
>
>I said, the Doctor could still love his granddaughter even if he
>wasn't married to her grandmother.
>
>What's so odd about that? I know a grandfather who loves his
>granddaughter even though he isn't married to her grandmother.
>
I would say the Doctor and Susan are blood related.
Widowers maybe.
>> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >However, I'm still puzzled about how this digression is supposed to
>> >> >> >> >prove the Doctor was officially married to Susan's grandmother. After
>> >> >> >> >all, the grandmother presumably didn't abort the child that become
>> >> >> >> >Susan's father, so it presumably wasn't an 'unwanted pregnancy'. And
>> >> >> >> >that means none of this is relevant.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Would it have been?
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Would it have been what? A pregnancy? An unwanted pregnancy?
>> >> >> >Relevant to this discussion?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >You didn't answer this.
>> >>
>> >> Pregnancy yes AND the Doctor loved his granddaughter. Clue!
>> >>
>> >
>> >Not much of a clue to anything really. He could still have loved her
>> >even if he wasn't married to her grandmother. After all, you don't
>> >have to marry someone's grandmother in order to love them, do you?
>>
>> Say again?
>>
>
>I said, the Doctor could still love his granddaughter even if he
>wasn't married to her grandmother.
>
>What's so odd about that? I know a grandfather who loves his
>granddaughter even though he isn't married to her grandmother.
>
Edward McArdle
Oct 5, 2012, 9:25:10 PM10/5/12
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In article <k4niit$etj$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
One of the reasons for today's high divorce rate is that we live longer.
In the days of the Roman empire, apparently, the average life span was
about 21. Very easy to commit for life.
A century ago it was only about 40.
Nowadays most people can expect to live until their nineties, and people
change over that time. If two don't get along they separate, especially if
the children have left home.
If you lived indefinitely...
--
Edward McArdle
In the days of the Roman empire, apparently, the average life span was
about 21. Very easy to commit for life.
A century ago it was only about 40.
Nowadays most people can expect to live until their nineties, and people
change over that time. If two don't get along they separate, especially if
the children have left home.
If you lived indefinitely...
--
Edward McArdle
The Doctor
Oct 6, 2012, 12:31:48 AM10/6/12
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