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The Doctor

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Mar 30, 2013, 10:19:53 PM3/30/13
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I rat eit 9.6/10 .

Moffat know how to twist a plot.

Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?

Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.

The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.

How did she get that number?

All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?


The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.

All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!

Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.

Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
genius.

Doppleganger to close down Cloud.

Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.

The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.

And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.

All right Clara what do you have in store for us?
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anim8rFSK

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Mar 30, 2013, 10:58:27 PM3/30/13
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In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>
> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>
> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>
> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>
> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>
> How did she get that number?

The woman in the shop gave it to her.

> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>
>
> The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.
>
> All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!
>
> Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.
>
> Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
> genius.
>
> Doppleganger to close down Cloud.
>
> Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.
>
> The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.
>
> And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.
>
> All right Clara what do you have in store for us?

I enjoyed it beginning to end.

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

John Hall

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:53:20 AM3/31/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>>
>> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>
>> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>>
>> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.

I loved the way that Steven Moffat set that scene in a monastery for no
better reason than that he wanted to slip in a "mad monk" allusion.

>>
>> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>>
>> How did she get that number?
>
>The woman in the shop gave it to her.

I wonder if the woman will turn out to be significant before the end of
this season's story arc. Not many people can know what the TARDIS's
phone number is, so I wonder if she will turn out to be River Song.

>
>> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>>
>>
>> The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.
>>
>> All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!
>>
>> Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.
>>
>> Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
>> genius.
>>
>> Doppleganger to close down Cloud.
>>
>> Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.
>>
>> The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.
>>
>> And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.
>>
>> All right Clara what do you have in store for us?
>
>I enjoyed it beginning to end.
>

It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.
--
John Hall
"Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch it."
Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist

Agamemnon

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Mar 31, 2013, 6:39:32 AM3/31/13
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"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MIi+OeFQ...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
> In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>>In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>>>
>>> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>>
>>> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>>>
>>> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>
> I loved the way that Steven Moffat set that scene in a monastery for no
> better reason than that he wanted to slip in a "mad monk" allusion.
>
>>>
>>> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>>>
>>> How did she get that number?
>>
>>The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>
> I wonder if the woman will turn out to be significant before the end of
> this season's story arc. Not many people can know what the TARDIS's
> phone number is, so I wonder if she will turn out to be River Song.

She might be the girl from Blink considering there are Weeping Angels coming
up.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:38:06 AM3/31/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>>
>> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>
>> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>>
>> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>>
>> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>>
>> How did she get that number?
>
>The woman in the shop gave it to her.

Who is she?

>
>> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>>
>>
>> The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.
>>
>> All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!
>>
>> Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.
>>
>> Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
>> genius.
>>
>> Doppleganger to close down Cloud.
>>
>> Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.
>>
>> The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.
>>
>> And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.
>>
>> All right Clara what do you have in store for us?
>
>I enjoyed it beginning to end.
>
>--
>"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."


The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:41:10 AM3/31/13
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In article <MIi+OeFQ...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>>In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>>> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>>>
>>> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>>
>>> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>>>
>>> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>
>I loved the way that Steven Moffat set that scene in a monastery for no
>better reason than that he wanted to slip in a "mad monk" allusion.
>

Solace for you.

>>>
>>> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>>>
>>> How did she get that number?
>>
>>The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>
>I wonder if the woman will turn out to be significant before the end of
>this season's story arc. Not many people can know what the TARDIS's
>phone number is, so I wonder if she will turn out to be River Song.
>

There is a worthwhile theory.

>>
>>> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>>> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.
>>>
>>> All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!
>>>
>>> Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.
>>>
>>> Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
>>> genius.
>>>
>>> Doppleganger to close down Cloud.
>>>
>>> Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.
>>>
>>> The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.
>>>
>>> And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.
>>>
>>> All right Clara what do you have in store for us?
>>
>>I enjoyed it beginning to end.
>>
>
>It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
>over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.
>--
>John Hall
> "Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
> of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch it."
> Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist


The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:41:37 AM3/31/13
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In article <nsGdnWzq26L-j8XM...@eclipse.net.uk>,
Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:MIi+OeFQ...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
>> In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> writes:
>>>In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>>>>
>>>> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>>>
>>>> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>>>>
>>>> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>>
>> I loved the way that Steven Moffat set that scene in a monastery for no
>> better reason than that he wanted to slip in a "mad monk" allusion.
>>
>>>>
>>>> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>>>>
>>>> How did she get that number?
>>>
>>>The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>>
>> I wonder if the woman will turn out to be significant before the end of
>> this season's story arc. Not many people can know what the TARDIS's
>> phone number is, so I wonder if she will turn out to be River Song.
>
>She might be the girl from Blink considering there are Weeping Angels coming
>up.
>

The plot thickens.

>>
>>>
>>>> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>>>> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.
>>>>
>>>> All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!
>>>>
>>>> Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.
>>>>
>>>> Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
>>>> genius.
>>>>
>>>> Doppleganger to close down Cloud.
>>>>
>>>> Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.
>>>>
>>>> The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.
>>>>
>>>> And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.
>>>>
>>>> All right Clara what do you have in store for us?
>>>
>>>I enjoyed it beginning to end.
>>>
>>
>> It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
>> over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.
>> --
>> John Hall
>> "Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable
>> of giving pleasure to thousands and all you can do is scratch
>> it."
>> Sir Thomas Beecham (1879-1961) to a lady cellist
>
>


Stephen Wilson

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"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
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Is it just me, or are Yads' "reviews" getting even worse?


The Doctor

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In article <dkV5t.304088$0K4.1...@fx25.fr7>,
Stephen Wilson is drunk after getting one less hour of sleep.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 8:25:15 AM3/31/13
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In article <kj8epq$9ld$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>>>How did she get that number?
>
>>The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>
>I liked that Clara finally said the line, or at least most of it!

From Blink. Got you.

anim8rFSK

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In article <kj976u$im0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> > doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >
> >> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
> >>
> >> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
> >>
> >> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
> >>
> >> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
> >>
> >> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
> >>
> >> How did she get that number?
> >
> >The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>
> Who is she?

That ... would be telling.

AC

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Mar 31, 2013, 10:49:05 AM3/31/13
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The Doctor wrote:
> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>
> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>
> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>
> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>
> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>
> How did she get that number?
>
> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>
>
> The Doctor does rescue Clara the first time.
>
> All right cause a plane to crash instead of using a riot? Hmm!!
>
> Plane is restore and the wi-fi is still worldwide.
>
> Motocycle and dopplegangers. Who said Moffat was not a
> genius.
>
> Doppleganger to close down Cloud.
>
> Finally the client, namely the Great Intelligence is revealed.
>
> The 4th Attempt to take over and is foiled.
>
> And yet again he uses a child to carry out his work.
>
> All right Clara what do you have in store for us?
>

Great episode. Lots of arc type stuff hinted, hopefully.

Just wondering, the motor bike thing, a Wallace and Grommet nod?

--
AC

Adam H. Kerman

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Mar 31, 2013, 11:16:46 AM3/31/13
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John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
>over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.

I found it necessary to ignore the plot entirely. As is so common on
Doctor Who, the horror set up is very good. I thought having the ability
to hack a soul (after the "new software application" was installed) was
excellent horr. Then, they don't do much with it. The room of computer
hackers (all wearing suits?) seemed mostly unnecessary. What was the
purpose those particular souls on the wall of souls, as opposed to all
the ones who weren't shown? I assume those weren't all eaten. As this
was a world-wide epidemic, where were the epidemiologists?

anim8rFSK

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Mar 31, 2013, 1:31:47 PM3/31/13
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In article <kj9k0t$73u$2...@news.albasani.net>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

You also have to ignore the entire 'wifi' aspect, as if they didn't grab
anybody hardwired ...

Agamemnon

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"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> wrote in message news:C1Y5t.249733$fB.1...@fx27.fr7...
Nod to the TVM, Jon Pertwee, Sylvester McCoy.

> --
> AC


Adam H. Kerman

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anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>>>It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
>>>over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.

>>I found it necessary to ignore the plot entirely. As is so common on
>>Doctor Who, the horror set up is very good. I thought having the ability
>>to hack a soul (after the "new software application" was installed) was
>>excellent horr. Then, they don't do much with it. The room of computer
>>hackers (all wearing suits?) seemed mostly unnecessary. What was the
>>purpose those particular souls on the wall of souls, as opposed to all
>>the ones who weren't shown? I assume those weren't all eaten. As this
>>was a world-wide epidemic, where were the epidemiologists?

>You also have to ignore the entire 'wifi' aspect, as if they didn't grab
>anybody hardwired ...

That was just for legal reasons, as the wifi users had all signed away
their rights not to be harvested by an unnamed alien.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:03:11 PM3/31/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-C70D5...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <kj976u$im0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> In article <anim8rfsk-2AE18...@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
>> > doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >
>> >> I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>> >>
>> >> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>> >>
>> >> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?
>> >>
>> >> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>> >>
>> >> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>> >>
>> >> How did she get that number?
>> >
>> >The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>>
>> Who is she?
>
>That ... would be telling.
>

Do tell.

The Doctor

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Hmm...

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:04:15 PM3/31/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-86558...@news.easynews.com>,
The 'suits' were uploaded to the cloud.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:04:42 PM3/31/13
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In article <hMidnSe4TPME58XM...@eclipse.net.uk>,
ESP the Daemons.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:05:22 PM3/31/13
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In article <kj9u10$uip$3...@news.albasani.net>,
careful what you click.

anim8rFSK

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:22:47 PM3/31/13
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In article <kja8cf$1j0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> In article <anim8rfsk-86558...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> >In article <kj9k0t$73u$2...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
> >> >over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.
> >>
> >> I found it necessary to ignore the plot entirely. As is so common on
> >> Doctor Who, the horror set up is very good. I thought having the ability
> >> to hack a soul (after the "new software application" was installed) was
> >> excellent horr. Then, they don't do much with it. The room of computer
> >> hackers (all wearing suits?) seemed mostly unnecessary. What was the
> >> purpose those particular souls on the wall of souls, as opposed to all
> >> the ones who weren't shown? I assume those weren't all eaten. As this
> >> was a world-wide epidemic, where were the epidemiologists?
> >
> >You also have to ignore the entire 'wifi' aspect, as if they didn't grab
> >anybody hardwired ...
> >
> >--
> >"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>
> The 'suits' were uploaded to the cloud.

Which doesn't require wifi.

anim8rFSK

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In article <kj9u10$uip$3...@news.albasani.net>,
heh

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 5:32:46 PM3/31/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-B3E24...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>In article <kja8cf$1j0$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> In article <anim8rfsk-86558...@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >In article <kj9k0t$73u$2...@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >It was great fun so long as you were willing to suspend your disbelief
>> >> >over the plot, which I was. I especially enjoyed the "mobile phone" gag.
>> >>
>> >> I found it necessary to ignore the plot entirely. As is so common on
>> >> Doctor Who, the horror set up is very good. I thought having the ability
>> >> to hack a soul (after the "new software application" was installed) was
>> >> excellent horr. Then, they don't do much with it. The room of computer
>> >> hackers (all wearing suits?) seemed mostly unnecessary. What was the
>> >> purpose those particular souls on the wall of souls, as opposed to all
>> >> the ones who weren't shown? I assume those weren't all eaten. As this
>> >> was a world-wide epidemic, where were the epidemiologists?
>> >
>> >You also have to ignore the entire 'wifi' aspect, as if they didn't grab
>> >anybody hardwired ...
>> >
>> >--
>> >"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>>
>> The 'suits' were uploaded to the cloud.
>
>Which doesn't require wifi.
>

Just a webcam.

David Barnett

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:22:20 PM3/31/13
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In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
>
> I rate it 9.6/10 .
>
> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
<snip>

Corrected first sentence.

Australian viewers weren't impressed, but I thought it
better than a lot of previous episodes.

My rating is 7/10, mainly because I think it is a good
introduction to subsequent episodes.
--
David Barnett

David Barnett

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In article <anim8rfsk-2AE186.19582730032013
@news.easynews.com>, anim...@cox.net says...
I did too, in spite of my 7/10 rating.

Aussie viewers snarked at the WIFI part.
I posted in aus.tv that I thought Moffatt might have been
having trouble with his WIFI, and this was his revenge!

--
David Barnett

Agamemnon

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"anim8rFSK" <anim...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Where's Captain Cisco when you need him?


bru...@topmail.co.nz

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On Sunday, 31 March 2013 23:16:46 UTC+8, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> I found it necessary to ignore the plot entirely. As is so common on
>
> Doctor Who, the horror set up is very good. I thought having the ability
>
> to hack a soul (after the "new software application" was installed) was
>
> excellent horr. Then, they don't do much with it. The room of computer
>
> hackers (all wearing suits?) seemed mostly unnecessary. What was the
>
>

To me, it was Kafka meets Torchwood (Carnary Wharf not Cardiff).

David Barnett

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:33:31 PM3/31/13
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In article <MIi+OeFQ...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
nospam...@jhall.co.uk says...
<snip>
> I wonder if the woman will turn out to be significant
before the end of
> this season's story arc. Not many people can know what the TARDIS's
> phone number is, so I wonder if she will turn out to be River Song.

Alex Kingston (River Song) is in ARROW, so I don't think
we will see her again in Doctor Who for a while.

--
David Barnett

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:39:18 PM3/31/13
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In article <MPG.2bc37033c...@news.bigpond.com>,
Average Australian rating please?

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:39:54 PM3/31/13
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In article <MPG.2bc371947...@news.bigpond.com>,
Maybe.

The Doctor

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In article <goKdnRdsyMtvW8XM...@eclipse.net.uk>,
Maybe nearby.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:40:52 PM3/31/13
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In article <MPG.2bc372d1e...@news.bigpond.com>,
Don't put it past Moffat.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:43:20 PM3/31/13
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In article <7f75c1fd-7256-465d...@googlegroups.com>,
Must read Kafka one day.

brilton

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:48:16 PM3/31/13
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David, you base this assessment from Australian viewers on the comments
in aus.tv? Is that a valid sampling?

And how is that old madhouse these days? Still full of the usual
self-indulgent suspects treating the place like their own personal
treehouse club?

~consul

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'tis on this 3/31/2013 5:03 PM, wrote The Doctor thus to say:
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>>>> Opening souls trapped in cyberspace but for what reason?

It doesn't seem directly related to the Christmas episode.

>>>>> Enter the Doctor in 1207 cumbria.
>>>>> The Bells of Saint John? The telephone in his Police Box.
>>>>> How did she get that number?
>>>> The woman in the shop gave it to her.
>>> Who is she?
>> That ... would be telling.
> Do tell.

You could be all NOBLE about it and say, or you could PIPE down and keep the secret.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:49:26 PM3/31/13
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In article <kjahrv$qog$2...@dont-email.me>,
I still love the Prisoner after all these years.

Monsieur Tabernac

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Moff has said recently that RIver will be in the final episode this
season.

http://www.hypable.com/2013/03/18/doctor-who-synopsis-revealed-for-series-7-b/

"There is also a final episode whose title has not officially been
announced. However, in a Q & A that took place at Trinity College in
Dublin, Steven Moffet confirmed it will involve Alex Kingston, who
plays River Song, and it will also bring in the much anticipated
mystery of Trenzalore, “Yes. She will certainly be in this series…Is
there more to come about, as it were, Trenzalore and the battle in The
Doctor’s future that led to the attempts on his life in the past? Is
that what you’re asking? Yes.” "

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/24774/updated-what-do-we-know-about-doctor-who-series-7-part-2

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:50:33 PM3/31/13
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In article <6jihl8tp1tph1bngi...@4ax.com>,
Merci.

anim8rFSK

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:53:44 PM3/31/13
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In article <kjahf6$9n2$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> In article <MPG.2bc37033c...@news.bigpond.com>,
> David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >In article <kj86g9$5fr$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
> >doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...
> >>
> >> I rate it 9.6/10 .
> >>
> >> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
> ><snip>
> >
> >Corrected first sentence.
> >
> >Australian viewers weren't impressed, but I thought it
> >better than a lot of previous episodes.
> >
> >My rating is 7/10, mainly because I think it is a good
> >introduction to subsequent episodes.
> >--
> >David Barnett
>
> Average Australian rating please?

There *are* no Average Australians!

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:54:29 PM3/31/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-8E1DB...@news.easynews.com>,
;-)

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 7:54:56 PM3/31/13
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In article <4X36t.148$e66...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>,
Looks like an interesting place to visit.

~consul

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'tis on this 3/31/2013 7:33 PM, wrote David Barnett thus to say:
> In article <MIi+OeFQ...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
> nospam...@jhall.co.uk says...
>> I wonder if the woman will turn out to be significant
> before the end of
>> this season's story arc. Not many people can know what the TARDIS's
>> phone number is, so I wonder if she will turn out to be River Song.
> Alex Kingston (River Song) is in ARROW, so I don't think
> we will see her again in Doctor Who for a while.

Arrow also has John Barrowman, so it may work out.
I am dissappointed that they both weren't on Supernatural, as I am sure there would have been some small reference joke worked in somehow.

The Doctor

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Mar 31, 2013, 8:25:29 PM3/31/13
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In article <kjaj3c$u2h$3...@dont-email.me>,
SN rocks!

Adam H. Kerman

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Mar 31, 2013, 11:49:52 PM3/31/13
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anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>David Barnett <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca says...

>>>>I rate it 9.6/10 .

>>>>Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>>><snip>

>>>Corrected first sentence.

>>>Australian viewers weren't impressed, but I thought it
>>>better than a lot of previous episodes.

>>>My rating is 7/10, mainly because I think it is a good
>>>introduction to subsequent episodes.

>>Average Australian rating please?

>There *are* no Average Australians!

What is this, Lake Wobegon?

The Coca Cola Kid

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Apr 1, 2013, 1:34:21 AM4/1/13
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Great concepts, flaccid execution. Right now, I am not exactly sure which
show I am watching, since it feels like a mish-mash of Friends, Willy Wonka,
and stock hack-written dramedy. I am starting to see why some people think
that Matt Smith may be worried about getting typecast by playing the lead
role in Doctor Who. My heart sank as soon as I saw Clara being
un-downloaded. I just knew that everyone in the world who went missing
would end up being put back the way that they were by the end of the
episode. Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a
small number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.
Although that was a blink and you will miss it explanation, easily forgotten
about by the ending. Or maybe I may have even imagined it. The fact that
there is no longer a threat in the wi-fi after everything is tidily taken
care of also makes the whole plot and its themes feel extremely
inconsequential, and lightweight. This feels like Doctor Who on auto-pilot.
Hopefully next week's will offer more substance, despite the terrible
lighting in the preview.

shawn

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Apr 1, 2013, 1:45:29 AM4/1/13
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No, the line was definitely there. Not really a surprise since
accidents happen over time and given that the lady in charge had been
under the Great Intelligence's control since she was a child it is
obvious that this had been going on for decades. Which makes you
wonder what did it do before there was Wi-Fi and why didn't the Doctor
pick up on this at some point in the past? I guess these are the sorts
of questions we aren't supposed to ask.

anim8rFSK

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Apr 1, 2013, 2:21:04 AM4/1/13
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In article <kj7il8lkuuju3cp48...@4ax.com>,
Well, the assistant did complain that they were taking people too fast
and going to get caught.

The Doctor

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:15:35 AM4/1/13
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In article <kjb050$95g$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
Lake Wobegon?

The Doctor

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:18:44 AM4/1/13
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In article <kjb68s$o4b$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
Auto-pilot? Are you kidding me?

The Doctor

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:20:22 AM4/1/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-D206D...@news.easynews.com>,
Point well taken.

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:42:51 AM4/1/13
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The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Great concepts, flaccid execution. Right now, I am not exactly sure which
>show I am watching, since it feels like a mish-mash of Friends, Willy Wonka,
>and stock hack-written dramedy.

Wow. That criticism makes no sense whatsoever.

>I am starting to see why some people think that Matt Smith may be
>worried about getting typecast by playing the lead role in Doctor Who.
>My heart sank as soon as I saw Clara being un-downloaded. I just knew
>that everyone in the world who went missing would end up being put back
>the way that they were by the end of the episode.

Huh. The Doctor's companion is there to be put in jeopardy? Never seen
that done before.

>Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a small
>number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.

No, the rest had already been murdered. The souls were captured from dead
people. It's Doctor Who. They often have plots in which large numbers of
people can't be saved.

So does this count as Clara's third resurrection? Fourth?

>Although that was a blink and you will miss it explanation, easily forgotten
>about by the ending. Or maybe I may have even imagined it. The fact that
>there is no longer a threat in the wi-fi after everything is tidily taken
>care of also makes the whole plot and its themes feel extremely
>inconsequential, and lightweight. This feels like Doctor Who on auto-pilot.

I'll agree with this. It clearly felt like a used scenario.

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:44:37 AM4/1/13
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Yeah. It's a little hard to see a creature evolving like this.

The Doctor

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:48:58 AM4/1/13
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In article <kjc2sr$el9$1...@news.albasani.net>,
Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
The question is what is Clara?

The Doctor

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Apr 1, 2013, 9:49:33 AM4/1/13
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In article <kjc305$el9$2...@news.albasani.net>,
Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
Moffat has shown us how.

The Coca Cola Kid

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Apr 1, 2013, 1:49:06 PM4/1/13
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On Apr 1, 8:42 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>The Coca Cola Kid wrote:
>>My heart sank as soon as I saw Clara being un-downloaded.  I just knew
>>that everyone in the world who went missing would end up being put back
>>the way that they were by the end of the episode.
>
>Huh. The Doctor's companion is there to be put in jeopardy? Never seen
>that done before.

There is no feeling of jeopardy any more. That is the point. Unlike
the 'classic' Doctor Who TV episodes, where the Doctor's companion
could actually die, now the they 'die' almost every week, only to be
resurrected, along with a huge chunk of the rest of the cast, at the
flick of a magic macguffin. It has become a ridiculous parody of
itself.

>>Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a small
>>number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.
>
>No, the rest had already been murdered. The souls were captured from dead
>people.

Seriously ... ? I must have missed that part. I was under the
impression that their bodies all died after they were completely
downloaded, and those who were dead for too long could not be
restored. Or were they supposed to have been in a persistent
vegetative state?

>It's Doctor Who. They often have plots in which large numbers of
>people can't be saved.

Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
when they 'die'.

David Johnston

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Apr 1, 2013, 2:05:28 PM4/1/13
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On 4/1/2013 11:49 AM, The Coca Cola Kid wrote:

>>> Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a small
>>> number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.
>>
>> No, the rest had already been murdered. The souls were captured from dead
>> people.
>
> Seriously ... ? I must have missed that part. I was under the
> impression that their bodies all died after they were completely
> downloaded,

It's a definitional issue.

The Doctor

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Apr 1, 2013, 2:17:03 PM4/1/13
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In article <e8702e53-a394-46f2...@p12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 1, 8:42=A0am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>The Coca Cola Kid wrote:
>>>My heart sank as soon as I saw Clara being un-downloaded. =A0I just knew
>>>that everyone in the world who went missing would end up being put back
>>>the way that they were by the end of the episode.
>>
>>Huh. The Doctor's companion is there to be put in jeopardy? Never seen
>>that done before.
>
>There is no feeling of jeopardy any more. That is the point. Unlike
>the 'classic' Doctor Who TV episodes, where the Doctor's companion
>could actually die, now the they 'die' almost every week, only to be
>resurrected, along with a huge chunk of the rest of the cast, at the
>flick of a magic macguffin. It has become a ridiculous parody of
>itself.
>
>>>Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a small
>>>number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.
>>
>>No, the rest had already been murdered. The souls were captured from dead
>>people.
>
>Seriously ... ? I must have missed that part. I was under the
>impression that their bodies all died after they were completely
>downloaded, and those who were dead for too long could not be
>restored. Or were they supposed to have been in a persistent
>vegetative state?
>
>>It's Doctor Who. They often have plots in which large numbers of
>>people can't be saved.
>
>Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
>when they 'die'.

Well Amy and Rory gets old.

Adam H. Kerman

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The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 1, 8:42 am, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>The Coca Cola Kid wrote:

>>>My heart sank as soon as I saw Clara being un-downloaded. I just knew
>>>that everyone in the world who went missing would end up being put back
>>>the way that they were by the end of the episode.

>>Huh. The Doctor's companion is there to be put in jeopardy? Never seen
>>that done before.

>There is no feeling of jeopardy any more. That is the point. Unlike
>the 'classic' Doctor Who TV episodes, where the Doctor's companion
>could actually die, now the they 'die' almost every week, only to be
>resurrected, along with a huge chunk of the rest of the cast, at the
>flick of a magic macguffin. It has become a ridiculous parody of
>itself.

I don't recall a lot of companions dying. Adric. Nyssa died, but was
replaced with a clone or android. Jo Grant. Remind me who else.

I do remember a companion being in jeopardy most weeks.

>>>Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a small
>>>number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.

>>No, the rest had already been murdered. The souls were captured from dead
>>people.

>Seriously ... ? I must have missed that part. I was under the
>impression that their bodies all died after they were completely
>downloaded, and those who were dead for too long could not be
>restored. Or were they supposed to have been in a persistent
>vegetative state?

You don't count uploading the soul as murder? Huh.

>>It's Doctor Who. They often have plots in which large numbers of
>>people can't be saved.

>Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
>when they 'die'.

What are you bitching about, then? Lots of people dying harkens back to
the original series.

The Coca Cola Kid

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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote in message news:kjcj6j$ktt$1...@news.albasani.net...

>I don't recall a lot of companions dying. Adric. Nyssa died, but was
>replaced with a clone or android. Jo Grant. Remind me who else.

In the classic series, there were Katarina, Sara Kingdom, Adric, Kamelion
(the android that you are probably thinking of), and Peri. Nyssa did not
die in the show, but it was implied that she might later develop cancer, as
a result of her radiation treatment, in her leaving story. Peri's death,
which occurred about half way through a season, was later reported to be a
hoax, at the end of the season. That was done because Doctor Who had
received a lot criticism for having too much violence and death, and the
producers were worried, since the show had just come off of an eighteen
month hiatus (from 1985 to 1986), that the show would be cancelled if they
did not do that. Still, it set a terrible precedent

>I do remember a companion being in jeopardy most weeks.

Yes, and that was because, most of the time, there was a sense that the
companion could be seriously injured, or even die, permanently. Apart from
the Time Lords, who could regenerate, most of the major characters did not
appear to 'die', only to miraculously un-die, like they do now, in the
show, almost regularly.

>You don't count uploading the soul as murder? Huh.

You do not consider murder to be something that is irreversible? Huh.

>>Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
>>when they 'die'.
>
>What are you bitching about, then? Lots of people dying harkens back to
>the original series.

Dying does. Mass resurrections do not.

The Coca Cola Kid

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"The Doctor" wrote in message news:kjciuv$1pk$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...

>Well Amy and Rory gets old.

In more ways than one ...

Adam H. Kerman

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The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" wrote in message news:kjcj6j$ktt$1...@news.albasani.net...

>>I don't recall a lot of companions dying. Adric. Nyssa died, but was
>>replaced with a clone or android. Jo Grant. Remind me who else.

>In the classic series, there were Katarina, Sara Kingdom, Adric, Kamelion
>(the android that you are probably thinking of), and Peri. Nyssa did not
>die in the show, but it was implied that she might later develop cancer, as
>a result of her radiation treatment, in her leaving story. Peri's death,
>which occurred about half way through a season, was later reported to be a
>hoax, at the end of the season. That was done because Doctor Who had
>received a lot criticism for having too much violence and death, and the
>producers were worried, since the show had just come off of an eighteen
>month hiatus (from 1985 to 1986), that the show would be cancelled if they
>did not do that. Still, it set a terrible precedent

>>I do remember a companion being in jeopardy most weeks.

>Yes, and that was because, most of the time, there was a sense that the
>companion could be seriously injured, or even die, permanently. Apart from
>the Time Lords, who could regenerate, most of the major characters did not
>appear to 'die', only to miraculously un-die, like they do now, in the
>show, almost regularly.

>>You don't count uploading the soul as murder? Huh.

>You do not consider murder to be something that is irreversible? Huh.

It wasn't irreversible if done immediately, but the time frame wasn't
established. Yeah, dude. You missed something huge.

Also, the alien had eaten many of the souls by that point. You're telling
me that wasn't murder?

>>>Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
>>>when they 'die'.

>>What are you bitching about, then? Lots of people dying harkens back to
>>the original series.

>Dying does. Mass resurrections do not.

I doubt there was a mass resurrection, just whoever had been taken in the
last 90 minutes or so.

Ross

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Apr 2, 2013, 7:32:51 AM4/2/13
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On Apr 1, 9:01 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> The Coca Cola Kid <thecocacola...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Adam H. Kerman"  wrote in messagenews:kjcj6j$ktt$1...@news.albasani.net...
That would explain why they explicitly say that only the tiny fraction
of people whose bodies hadn't died yet would survive.

Honestly seems pretty dark and well out-of-line with anything not
written by Eric Saward to just have the Doctor glibly decide by fiat
for all of those people that death is better for all of them than
continuing to live in the cloud (I don't know if I'd agree if it were
me personally in the cloud. Probably. But I know for DAMNED sure that
I wouldn't want some random alien unilaterally making the decision for
me). But I assume they're doing that damned "Without his pet humans,
the Doctor goes off the deep end and becomes dark and scary" yet again.

Siri Cruise

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Apr 2, 2013, 7:41:27 AM4/2/13
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In article <069b5e6e-c4f4-48ca...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
Ross <rras...@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:

> > I doubt there was a mass resurrection, just whoever had been taken in the
> > last 90 minutes or so.
>
> That would explain why they explicitly say that only the tiny fraction
> of people whose bodies hadn't died yet would survive.
>
> Honestly seems pretty dark and well out-of-line with anything not
> written by Eric Saward to just have the Doctor glibly decide by fiat
> for all of those people that death is better for all of them than

It's old idea of people trapped between life and death by a usually demonic
force. They can't be returned to life, so it is considerred a blessing to let
them die completely and move on to whatever that brings. This isn't the same as
River in the library, because that is a simulation of a dead woman. This about
trapped souls.

Ross

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Apr 2, 2013, 8:58:20 AM4/2/13
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On Apr 2, 7:41 am, Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <069b5e6e-c4f4-48ca-8904-4e310b5b5...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
I know what it's about. But it's morally bankrupt to have the "hero"
just unilaterally make the decision for all those people that they're
better off dead, especially given that the only reason he did it was
to get Clara back.

Siri Cruise

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Apr 2, 2013, 9:36:49 AM4/2/13
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In article <f3e85180-b28c-4898...@v20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
I see it similar to whether you should keep an apparently brain dead person on a
ventilator, feeding tube, et al, or carry a deformed baby to term, or whether
you should destroy a country's economy to overthrow a dictator, or a number of
situations where one person has to decide which way to screw others is best for
them. Since that wasn't the focus of this episode, they did include a quick line
that alludes to the moral complexity without exploring it.
--
Daddy said Mommy is full of taters. I asked what were those, and
he said dead aliens. I think he means William Shatner.

The Doctor

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Apr 2, 2013, 9:48:43 AM4/2/13
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In article <kjd9hb$2ap$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Damn stone angels.

The Doctor

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Apr 2, 2013, 9:49:42 AM4/2/13
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My reviews causes ra massive reply. I will keep up the good work.

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 2, 2013, 11:57:25 AM4/2/13
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Ross <rras...@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:
>On Apr 1, 9:01 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>The Coca Cola Kid <thecocacola...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:

>>>>>Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
>>>>>when they 'die'.

>>>>What are you bitching about, then? Lots of people dying harkens back to
>>>>the original series.

>>>Dying does. Mass resurrections do not.

>>I doubt there was a mass resurrection, just whoever had been taken in the
>>last 90 minutes or so.

>That would explain why they explicitly say that only the tiny fraction
>of people whose bodies hadn't died yet would survive.

>Honestly seems pretty dark and well out-of-line with anything not
>written by Eric Saward to just have the Doctor glibly decide by fiat
>for all of those people that death is better for all of them than
>continuing to live in the cloud (I don't know if I'd agree if it were
>me personally in the cloud. Probably. But I know for DAMNED sure that
>I wouldn't want some random alien unilaterally making the decision for
>me). But I assume they're doing that damned "Without his pet humans,
>the Doctor goes off the deep end and becomes dark and scary" yet again.

I think we both agree that the ones for whom there was no possibility of
resurrection were dead.

I have trouble accepting that whatever energy was trapped in the cloud
was alive, in order to reject The Doctor's solution. The cloud was, in
fact, the alien's larder. In no way could The Doctor leave them in place.

The script referred to "souls", so we were supposed to accept that this
was a horrid and unnatural afterlife for the ones who couldn't be
resurrected. By removing every soul from the larder, the viewer is to
assume that the souls moved into a natural afterlife condition, whatever
that was. I assume this is knowledge The Doctor lacks, what is supposed
to happen to the soul after death.

In previous series, it was too strongly suggested that The Doctor was
Jesus Christ. If I had a choice, I'd like my Doctor Who stories to be
free of religion, at least from the human perspective.

anim8rFSK

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In article <kjev55$89t$1...@news.albasani.net>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> Ross <rras...@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 1, 9:01 pm, "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>The Coca Cola Kid <thecocacola...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>
> >>>>>Not recently. Doctor Who is now a show where 'everybody lives', even
> >>>>>when they 'die'.
>
> >>>>What are you bitching about, then? Lots of people dying harkens back to
> >>>>the original series.
>
> >>>Dying does. Mass resurrections do not.
>
> >>I doubt there was a mass resurrection, just whoever had been taken in the
> >>last 90 minutes or so.
>
> >That would explain why they explicitly say that only the tiny fraction
> >of people whose bodies hadn't died yet would survive.
>
> >Honestly seems pretty dark and well out-of-line with anything not
> >written by Eric Saward to just have the Doctor glibly decide by fiat
> >for all of those people that death is better for all of them than
> >continuing to live in the cloud (I don't know if I'd agree if it were
> >me personally in the cloud. Probably. But I know for DAMNED sure that
> >I wouldn't want some random alien unilaterally making the decision for
> >me). But I assume they're doing that damned "Without his pet humans,
> >the Doctor goes off the deep end and becomes dark and scary" yet again.
>
> I think we both agree that the ones for whom there was no possibility of
> resurrection were dead.

I don't. Their physical bodies may be dead, but their minds were still
alive. See the later HEECHEE books.
>
> I have trouble accepting that whatever energy was trapped in the cloud
> was alive, in order to reject The Doctor's solution. The cloud was, in
> fact, the alien's larder. In no way could The Doctor leave them in place.

No, but maybe they could go someplace else.
>
> The script referred to "souls", so we were supposed to accept that this
> was a horrid and unnatural afterlife for the ones who couldn't be
> resurrected. By removing every soul from the larder, the viewer is to
> assume that the souls moved into a natural afterlife condition, whatever
> that was. I assume this is knowledge The Doctor lacks, what is supposed
> to happen to the soul after death.

I just accepted 'soul' as an ignorant misuse of the term.
>
> In previous series, it was too strongly suggested that The Doctor was
> Jesus Christ. If I had a choice, I'd like my Doctor Who stories to be
> free of religion, at least from the human perspective.

Adam H. Kerman

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Make 'em Cybermen? I don't know what choice there was. At least a few
were resurrected.

>>The script referred to "souls", so we were supposed to accept that this
>>was a horrid and unnatural afterlife for the ones who couldn't be
>>resurrected. By removing every soul from the larder, the viewer is to
>>assume that the souls moved into a natural afterlife condition, whatever
>>that was. I assume this is knowledge The Doctor lacks, what is supposed
>>to happen to the soul after death.

>I just accepted 'soul' as an ignorant misuse of the term.

Ok.

Ross

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On Apr 2, 9:36 am, Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <f3e85180-b28c-4898-b334-211b07c9e...@v20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Except you can't walk up to the wall of screens and ASK an apparently
brain-dead person how they feel about it.

If the Doctor had sent his robot avatar into the next room and had him
say to the wall, "I'm sorry, I can't save you; you're all dead. But I
can end your imprisonment by shutting all this down," and they all
said that was good enough, then there's no problem. But they didn't do
that; they just had the Doctor make the decision for them.

Dano

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"Ross" wrote in message
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===========================================

It's only a friggin' hour long show...with YOU writing it, it would never
end. And you would bore everyone to tears.

anim8rFSK

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Apr 2, 2013, 4:25:58 PM4/2/13
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In article <kjf4s5$n5n$2...@news.albasani.net>,
In the Heechee books 'dead' people just live blissfully ever after in
cyberspace.

The Doctor

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Apr 2, 2013, 4:39:55 PM4/2/13
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In article <kjev55$89t$1...@news.albasani.net>,
That is going too far about DW bieing JC.

The Coca Cola Kid

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"Ross" wrote in message
news:f3e85180-b28c-4898...@v20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>I know what it's about. But it's morally bankrupt to have the "hero"
>just unilaterally make the decision for all those people that they're
>better off dead, especially given that the only reason he did it was
>to get Clara back.

He acted similarly, when he decided to kill all of the people that were
converted into Cybermen, and also some that were not, including Martha
Jones' cousin, in series two of the revival. Since the beginning, of the
original series, Doctor Who has always been ambivalent, about whether the
lead character is a hero, or an anti-hero.

Keith Cunningham

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>I rat eit 9.6/10 .
>
> Moffat know how to twist a plot.
>

Yes. I was reminded of the Idiots Lantern episode.

KC


The Doctor

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In article <QKWdndkLsM-cn8HM...@brightview.co.uk>,
That's Moffat for you during RTD's reign.

The Coca Cola Kid

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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:27:06 AM UTC-5, The Doctor wrote:

> Keith Cunningham wrote:
>
>>Yes. I was reminded of the Idiots Lantern episode.
>
>That's Moffat for you during RTD's reign.

That was Mark Gatiss, who wrote 'The Idiot's Lantern'. Moffat wrote
'The Empty Child', 'The Girl in the Fireplace' and 'Blink', which were
great, and 'Silence in the Library', which was good, but noticeably
derivative of his earlier work.

The Doctor

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Apr 3, 2013, 12:36:35 PM4/3/13
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In article <49ea1423-22bd-44db...@g4g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
I satnd corrected.

Jim G.

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anim8rFSK sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 23:21:04 -0700:
> In article <kj7il8lkuuju3cp48...@4ax.com>,
> shawn <nanof...@gNOTmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 00:34:21 -0500, "The Coca Cola Kid"
> > <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Great concepts, flaccid execution. Right now, I am not exactly sure which
> > >show I am watching, since it feels like a mish-mash of Friends, Willy Wonka,
> > >and stock hack-written dramedy. I am starting to see why some people think
> > >that Matt Smith may be worried about getting typecast by playing the lead
> > >role in Doctor Who. My heart sank as soon as I saw Clara being
> > >un-downloaded. I just knew that everyone in the world who went missing
> > >would end up being put back the way that they were by the end of the
> > >episode. Granted, this time, at least, there was a throw-away line that a
> > >small number of people could be put back successfully, and rest would die.
> > >Although that was a blink and you will miss it explanation, easily forgotten
> > >about by the ending. Or maybe I may have even imagined it. The fact that
> > >there is no longer a threat in the wi-fi after everything is tidily taken
> > >care of also makes the whole plot and its themes feel extremely
> > >inconsequential, and lightweight. This feels like Doctor Who on auto-pilot.
> > >Hopefully next week's will offer more substance, despite the terrible
> > >lighting in the preview.
> >
> > No, the line was definitely there. Not really a surprise since
> > accidents happen over time and given that the lady in charge had been
> > under the Great Intelligence's control since she was a child it is
> > obvious that this had been going on for decades. Which makes you
> > wonder what did it do before there was Wi-Fi and why didn't the Doctor
> > pick up on this at some point in the past? I guess these are the sorts
> > of questions we aren't supposed to ask.
>
> Well, the assistant did complain that they were taking people too fast
> and going to get caught.

I guess you can get away with just so many people in the prime of life
suddenly going comatose before some pesky family members start to
complain and some annoying doctors start to ask questions.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus." -- Sterling Archer, ARCHER

Jim G.

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The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?

Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?

The Doctor

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Apr 4, 2013, 10:27:02 PM4/4/13
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In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
>> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>
>Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
>

Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.

The Coca Cola Kid

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"anim8rFSK" wrote in message
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>In the Heechee books 'dead' people just live blissfully ever after in
>cyberspace.

That is kind of how Moffat's 'Silence in the Library' / 'Forest of the Dead'
story ended, for the characters who could not be restored. Of course, the
virtual reality in the Library seemed to be designed specifically for that
purpose.

The Coca Cola Kid

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Apr 4, 2013, 10:57:41 PM4/4/13
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"Dano" wrote in message news:kjf8io$8f7$1...@dont-email.me...

>It's only a friggin' hour long show...with YOU writing it, it would never
>end. And you would bore everyone to tears.

It is actually only a friggin' forty-five minute long show ... but it is it
really too much to ask that they actually explore some of the moral
complexities, rather than just vaguely alluding to them, fleetingly? If it
is too much to ask to have them do this on the televised episodes, then I
wish that they would make novelisations/tie-ins that expand upon the
televised episodes, like some, (but clearly not all), of the novelisations
of the original/classic series did.

The Coca Cola Kid

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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote in message news:kjev55$89t$1...@news.albasani.net...

>In previous series, it was too strongly suggested that The Doctor was
>Jesus Christ. If I had a choice, I'd like my Doctor Who stories to be
>free of religion, at least from the human perspective.

As I recall, that episode was written by a devout atheist. (Assuming that
you are talking about 'Last of the Time Lords'.)

Adam H. Kerman

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Apr 4, 2013, 11:41:26 PM4/4/13
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The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:

>>In previous series, it was too strongly suggested that The Doctor was
>>Jesus Christ. If I had a choice, I'd like my Doctor Who stories to be
>>free of religion, at least from the human perspective.

>As I recall, that episode was written by a devout atheist. (Assuming that
>you are talking about 'Last of the Time Lords'.)

There was more than one. One I hated was during the Rose period, but I don't
recall the name.

The Doctor

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Apr 5, 2013, 9:52:51 AM4/5/13
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In article <kjldi8$385$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
They all died physically.

The Doctor

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Apr 5, 2013, 9:53:33 AM4/5/13
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In article <kjlej7$59u$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
This of thos as multiple Sontaran Experiments.

anim8rFSK

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In article <kjmkvj$40q$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

> In article <kjldi8$385$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> The Coca Cola Kid <thecoca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >"anim8rFSK" wrote in message
> >news:anim8rfsk-78D51...@news.easynews.com...
> >
> >>In the Heechee books 'dead' people just live blissfully ever after in
> >>cyberspace.
> >
> >That is kind of how Moffat's 'Silence in the Library' / 'Forest of the Dead'
> >story ended, for the characters who could not be restored. Of course, the
> >virtual reality in the Library seemed to be designed specifically for that
> >purpose.
> >
>
> They all died physically.

Not 'all' but 'a lot'

The Doctor

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In article <anim8rfsk-A904E...@news.easynews.com>,
Their spirits are preserved.

solar penguin

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On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 20:27:26 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article <anim8rfsk-A904E...@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
>
> Their spirits are preserved.

How many more Kardashians need to get TV shows before the angels' spirits
aren't preserved?

The Doctor

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In article <kjnehg$rp4$1...@dont-email.me>,
Turn the KArdashians into stone?

Jim G.

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The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:27:02 +0000 (UTC):
> In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
> >> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
> >> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
> >
> >Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
> >
>
> Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.

Clearly you need to be drinking more colored water with sugar in it.

The Doctor

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Apr 8, 2013, 6:15:34 PM4/8/13
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In article <b326m8lqvos3valsv...@4ax.com>,
Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:27:02 +0000 (UTC):
>> In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
>> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
>> >> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>> >> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>> >
>> >Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
>> >
>>
>> Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.
>
>Clearly you need to be drinking more colored water with sugar in it.
>
>--
>Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
>"Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus." -- Sterling Archer, ARCHER

Try again. Jobs is good, Great Intelligence is evil.

Jim G.

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The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:15:34 +0000 (UTC):
> In article <b326m8lqvos3valsv...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:27:02 +0000 (UTC):
> >> In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
> >> >> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
> >> >> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
> >> >
> >> >Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.
> >
> >Clearly you need to be drinking more colored water with sugar in it.
>
> Try again. Jobs is good,

Is? And not everyone would agree with the "good" part, either.

> Great Intelligence is evil.

Not necessarily.

The Doctor

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Apr 9, 2013, 5:43:52 PM4/9/13
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In article <fdf8m892du2dr90e4...@4ax.com>,
Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:15:34 +0000 (UTC):
>> In article <b326m8lqvos3valsv...@4ax.com>,
>> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:27:02 +0000 (UTC):
>> >> In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
>> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
>> >> >> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>> >> >> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>> >> >
>> >> >Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.
>> >
>> >Clearly you need to be drinking more colored water with sugar in it.
>>
>> Try again. Jobs is good,
>
>Is? And not everyone would agree with the "good" part, either.

Gates and M$ took computing 20 years backwards.

>
>> Great Intelligence is evil.
>
>Not necessarily.
>

REmember the Yeti.

>--
>Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
>"Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus." -- Sterling Archer, ARCHER


Jim G.

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Apr 10, 2013, 3:44:47 PM4/10/13
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The Doctor sent the following on Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:43:52 +0000 (UTC):
> In article <fdf8m892du2dr90e4...@4ax.com>,
> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:15:34 +0000 (UTC):
> >> In article <b326m8lqvos3valsv...@4ax.com>,
> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:27:02 +0000 (UTC):
> >> >> In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
> >> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
> >> >> >> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
> >> >> >> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.
> >> >
> >> >Clearly you need to be drinking more colored water with sugar in it.
> >>
> >> Try again. Jobs is good,
> >
> >Is? And not everyone would agree with the "good" part, either.
>
> Gates and M$ took computing 20 years backwards.

Of course they did. We must all believe what Cupertino tells us.
Cupertino is good. Cupertino is wise. Cupertino cares for us. Cupertino
wants us to be happy. And all Cupertino asks for in return is as much of
our money as we can afford to offer at the altar of Cupertino.

> >> Great Intelligence is evil.
> >
> >Not necessarily.
> >
>
> REmember the Yeti.

Remember absolutes.

The Doctor

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Apr 10, 2013, 4:04:10 PM4/10/13
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In article <uv8bm8lp0h98c8rsr...@4ax.com>,
Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor sent the following on Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:43:52 +0000 (UTC):
>> In article <fdf8m892du2dr90e4...@4ax.com>,
>> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >The Doctor sent the following on Mon, 8 Apr 2013 22:15:34 +0000 (UTC):
>> >> In article <b326m8lqvos3valsv...@4ax.com>,
>> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Fri, 5 Apr 2013 02:27:02 +0000 (UTC):
>> >> >> In article <2hcrl81uv83htpobb...@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >The Doctor sent the following on Sun, 31 Mar 2013 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC):
>> >> >> >> All right, the plot is to capture Clara Oswald's soul in the
>> >> >> >> Cloud. But who is controlling the Cloud?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Steve Jobs. You don't think that he *really* died of cancer, do you?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve Jobs was intelligent but not a Great Intelligence.
>> >> >
>> >> >Clearly you need to be drinking more colored water with sugar in it.
>> >>
>> >> Try again. Jobs is good,
>> >
>> >Is? And not everyone would agree with the "good" part, either.
>>
>> Gates and M$ took computing 20 years backwards.
>
>Of course they did. We must all believe what Cupertino tells us.
>Cupertino is good. Cupertino is wise. Cupertino cares for us. Cupertino
>wants us to be happy. And all Cupertino asks for in return is as much of
>our money as we can afford to offer at the altar of Cupertino.
>

Nelli is a Pink Elephant.

>> >> Great Intelligence is evil.
>> >
>> >Not necessarily.
>> >
>>
>> REmember the Yeti.
>
>Remember absolutes.

REcall Yeti and the Web of fear.

>
>--
>Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
>"Relax. It's North Korea, the nation-state equivalent of the short bus." -- Sterling Archer, ARCHER


Merrick Baldelli

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On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:10:26 -0500, Jim G.
<jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

>> Great Intelligence is evil.
>
>Not necessarily.

I find it bitterly sardonic that you're attempting to have an
intelligent conversation with Yads. Particularly given the man hasn't
shown a glimmer of intelligence in years.

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