New Series Proposal
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Isn't it pretty simple? I'd propose we bring back Dr. Who as a TV
series. It's THAT simple! The rest is all minor details that can be
worked out later. I mean, the wheel wouldn't have to be reinvented for a
series return or anything.
-Fett
DBurns6554
>The rest is all minor details that can be
>worked out later.
Sometimes the minor details are not so minor. If one side is making
unreasonable demands or is asking for unreasonable percentages in the
production of a series, that that could bring any kind of proposal to a
standstill.
Chris Rednour
It depends really, they'll at least need to indicate a direction and tone
for the new show; depending on how indepth it is it might need a budget
estimation or actors choice.
More than likely they're having to pitch their vision, direction, and a
justification of why it should be brought back, at least that's my guess.
-Chris Rednour
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vze2...@mail.verizon.net
DBurns6554 wrote:
What sides here? The BBC owns the rights to Dr. Who right? It's not like
they have to negotiate with someone else who owns the rights.
-Fett
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Chris Rednour wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 vze2...@mail.verizon.net wrote:
>
> > I don't get what kind of proposals these people keep coming up with.
> > Isn't it pretty simple? I'd propose we bring back Dr. Who as a TV
> > series. It's THAT simple! The rest is all minor details that can be
> > worked out later. I mean, the wheel wouldn't have to be reinvented for a
> > series return or anything.
>
> It depends really, they'll at least need to indicate a direction and tone
> for the new show; depending on how indepth it is it might need a budget
> estimation or actors choice.
>
> More than likely they're having to pitch their vision, direction, and a
> justification of why it should be brought back, at least that's my guess.
Well, it kind of scares me a bit. Because I hope it's just not in terms of the
direction of the series. It seems to me that it's logical to have the same set
up (Doctor flying around the universe in the TARDIS) and with him encountering
all kinds of new alien threats and whatnot with the occassional return of an
old foe. Get that out of the way, and then settle on a budget. If it's the
budget that's the concern, then that's another matter but otherwise I'd like
to think that it'd be fairly easy to propose something new.
-Fett
DBurns6554
>What sides here? The BBC owns the rights to Dr. Who right? It's not like
>they have to negotiate with someone else who owns the rights.
But that is currently the problem. The BBC doesn't seem to give a fuck about
Doctor Who on tv. The other places can make proposals, but if either side makes
unreasonable demands, then the proposal is dead.
PMount9720
>>
>> > I don't get what kind of proposals these people keep coming up with.
>> > Isn't it pretty simple? I'd propose we bring back Dr. Who as a TV
>> > series. It's THAT simple
In theory, yes. In reality; no. We're talking about the BBC in the year 2001
here, a very different creature to the vibrant, creative Corporation of the 60s
and 70s and early 80s. Dr.Who's return (if ever) will be a long-time coming
because, quite simply, it'd be too much like hard work and, in honesty, a show
of this type has no real place on the BBC as it currently stands. Promises of
loads of new dramas for BBC 1 to replace the endless diet of reality shows,
game shows and docusoaps appear to have materialised as an extra episode of
EastEnders and much longer runs of Casualty and Holby City. Little else is on
the horizon. Dr.Who belongs to a brighter, more vibrant BBC and I suspect that
the show's return won't happen because it doesn't fit into the dumbed-down BBC
1 we have today. It doesn't have the instant-hit, ex-soap star reality factor
modern TV in the UK apparently demands. Dr.Who, pure and simple, is too good
for today's TV and today's TV audience.
The Doctor
The BBC did tender the movie out.
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Steven Kitson
> DBurns6554 wrote:
> > Sometimes the minor details are not so minor. If one side is making
> > unreasonable demands or is asking for unreasonable percentages in the
> > production of a series, that that could bring any kind of proposal to a
> > standstill.
> What sides here? The BBC owns the rights to Dr. Who right? It's not like
> they have to negotiate with someone else who owns the rights.
No, but while the BBC has the rights someone else has the money. Indeed,
it might be that no one other entity is willing to put up the cost, so
there might be the BBC and two or three other companies involved, all
pulling in different directions, all necessary for a series to
eventually be made.
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swlucky
I doubt is will do any good, but I will announce it anyway. If
someone is working on a new series proposal, I am willing to work as a
Writing Consultant, a fancy name for someone who helps out with story
ideas, for no charge. If you do something with a million to one
chance of happening a million times, odds are it is going to happen.
,Steve
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more
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link works.
Duncan Hurwood
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It's sad, isn't it. At least they still make decent documentaries.
Duncan H.
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
PMount9720 wrote:
Sadly, you may be right. But I pray that you are not.
-Fett
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Steven Kitson wrote:
I really think it would be a good idea for the BBC to work with the sci-fi
channel. Surely, this could work for both?
-Fett
Zygon Curry
>
> I really think it would be a good idea for the BBC to work with the sci-fi
> channel. Surely, this could work for both?
They did... The result was Invasion Earth. Having seen some of it I can
say that it was pretty terrible but I'm sure that it has it's fans.
They are also currently working with Joss Whedon over a limited series
of The Watcher, a Buffy spin off. The word is that the series is go and
just needs final confirmation.
Regards,
Zygon Curry
Steven Kitson
> They are also currently working with Joss Whedon over a limited series
> of The Watcher, a Buffy spin off. The word is that the series is go and
> just needs final confirmation.
Yeeees. Anyone else slightly annoyed that apparantly all the writing is
to be done by people on the 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' team, rather
than British writers?
Whedon at least has spent a not inconsiderable amount of time in Britain
(or more accurately, England, but at least that's where it's set), but
the others seem to mostly play with American references... something
that would _not_ be appropriate.
In fact, I'd be hoping for something more grown-up even that 'Angel',
with less pop-culture references and a darker tone. Preferably with some
of that trademark British surrealism.
I expect to be disappointed.
Steven Kitson
> I really think it would be a good idea for the BBC to work with the sci-fi
> channel. Surely, this could work for both?
Depends on how much control the sci-fi channel would want, how much
money they're willing to put in, the merchandising rights, the film
rights, what audience they think they'd get, the BBC's possible
reluctance to go with a network that isn't availible to a lot of people
in the States (or so I hear) which will cut down on the money they'll
get for it...
Couldn't be worse than any of the other Yank channels, though. From a
quality point of view.
Zygon Curry
Well according to Joss, the BBC said they wanted something 'not to
British'.
Regards,
Zygon Curry
J.E.L.
"Steven Kitson" <ski...@greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
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> <vze2...@mail.verizon.net> wrote:
> > I really think it would be a good idea for the BBC to work with the
sci-fi
> > channel. Surely, this could work for both?
>
> Couldn't be worse than any of the other Yank channels, though. From a
> quality point of view.
>
You lucky man, you've never seen UPN!! :-D
Good job that Warner is a rival of Paramount, and this not in the running.
The Doctor
BBC/Fox and BBC/NBC what does work for the BBC outside of BBC/PBS?
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Zygon Curry wrote:
> vze2...@mail.verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > I really think it would be a good idea for the BBC to work with the sci-fi
> > channel. Surely, this could work for both?
>
> They did... The result was Invasion Earth. Having seen some of it I can
> say that it was pretty terrible but I'm sure that it has it's fans.
Well, I mean with Dr. Who. It could work I think and be a good partnership.
> They are also currently working with Joss Whedon over a limited series
> of The Watcher, a Buffy spin off. The word is that the series is go and
> just needs final confirmation.
I know about that but I don't think it has anything to do with the sci-fi
channel.
-Fett
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Steven Kitson wrote:
> Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> > They are also currently working with Joss Whedon over a limited series
> > of The Watcher, a Buffy spin off. The word is that the series is go and
> > just needs final confirmation.
>
> Yeeees. Anyone else slightly annoyed that apparantly all the writing is
> to be done by people on the 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' team, rather
> than British writers?
Why would it be done by British writers? Why shouldn't it be done by the
writers who write Buffy and Angel? The series isn't going to be about Giles
taking a sight-seeing vacation to England ya know.
> Whedon at least has spent a not inconsiderable amount of time in Britain
> (or more accurately, England, but at least that's where it's set), but
> the others seem to mostly play with American references... something
> that would _not_ be appropriate.
The series is about Giles, not England. Buffy is about Buffy, not the United
States.
> In fact, I'd be hoping for something more grown-up even that 'Angel',
> with less pop-culture references and a darker tone. Preferably with some
> of that trademark British surrealism.
>
> I expect to be disappointed.
Well, hey, it'd not gonna be one of those preciously great McCoy stories, but
hey, what is.
-Fett
Steven Kitson
>Well according to Joss, the BBC said they wanted something 'not to
>British'.
Sigh.
And my admiration for the BBC takes another nosedive. Why do they seem
intent on destroying public-funded broadcasting in this country as only
they can?
--
I'll procrastinate tomorrow, okay?
Steven Kitson
>Steven Kitson wrote:
>> Yeeees. Anyone else slightly annoyed that apparantly all the writing is
>> to be done by people on the 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' team, rather
>> than British writers?
>
>Why would it be done by British writers? Why shouldn't it be done by the
>writers who write Buffy and Angel? The series isn't going to be about Giles
>taking a sight-seeing vacation to England ya know.
Yes, exactly! it's not an American series that just happens to be set in
England, or at least, I don't think it should be. It should be suffused
with England in the same way that 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' is suffused
with Americana.
Zygon Curry
>
> In article <3B8051...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> >Well according to Joss, the BBC said they wanted something 'not to
> >British'.
>
> Sigh.
>
> And my admiration for the BBC takes another nosedive. Why do they seem
> intent on destroying public-funded broadcasting in this country as only
> they can?
In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
shows.
Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
very very different production.
Regards,
Zygon Curry
Zygon Curry
>
> "Steven Kitson" <ski...@greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:1eyexxk.7zz7hmsm4v0wN%ski...@greenend.org.uk...
> > <vze2...@mail.verizon.net> wrote:
> > > I really think it would be a good idea for the BBC to work with the
> sci-fi
> > > channel. Surely, this could work for both?
>
> >
> > Couldn't be worse than any of the other Yank channels, though. From a
> > quality point of view.
> >
>
> You lucky man, you've never seen UPN!! :-D
Yes we have, Voyager for instance? :)
Regards,
Zygon Curry
The Doctor
What was that I always said about BBC Executive not having their heads in the
correct position?
Alan McWhan
"Steven Kitson" <ski...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:JZb*kw...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> In article <3B8051...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net>
wrote:
> >Well according to Joss, the BBC said they wanted something 'not to
> >British'.
>
> Sigh.
>
> And my admiration for the BBC takes another nosedive. Why do they seem
> intent on destroying public-funded broadcasting in this country as only
> they can?
This is only possible due to the unique way in which the BBC is funded - by
you, the sucker... sorry, viewer. :o)
Steven Kitson
>In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
>and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
>shows.
Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
precisely what drags it down.
>Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
>very very different production.
Yes, it would probably feature a bunch of rebels fighting _against_ a huge
Federation, rather than establishment figures working for the
authorities. And it would be darker and more cynical. People might even
die.
It'd be better, too.
Zygon Curry
>
> In article <3B80F6...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
> >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
> >shows.
>
> Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
> make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
> precisely what drags it down.
Then they wouldn't be Buffy or Angel.
> >Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
> >very very different production.
>
> Yes, it would probably feature a bunch of rebels fighting _against_ a huge
> Federation, rather than establishment figures working for the
> authorities. And it would be darker and more cynical. People might even
> die.
>
> It'd be better, too.
Would it? When was the last time the UK made a successful sci-fi series
on the scale of Star Trek?
Steven Kitson
> Steven Kitson wrote:
> > In article <3B80F6...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> > >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
> > >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
> > >shows.
> > Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
> > make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
> > precisely what drags it down.
> Then they wouldn't be Buffy or Angel.
No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
> > >Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
> > >very very different production.
> > Yes, it would probably feature a bunch of rebels fighting _against_ a huge
> > Federation, rather than establishment figures working for the
> > authorities. And it would be darker and more cynical. People might even
> > die.
> >
> > It'd be better, too.
>
> Would it? When was the last time the UK made a successful sci-fi series
> on the scale of Star Trek?
Uh... did you miss the entire paragraph I just wrote? The BBC has done
it. It was called 'Blake's 7'. _That's_ what a British 'Star Trek' would
look like -- and it was a damn sight better than Gene 'Wagon Train to
the Stars' Rodenberry.
From the nation that brought you '1984' and 'Brave New World'.
DBurns6554
>Uh... did you miss the entire paragraph I just wrote?
Well, most people tend to ignore your posts because they contain bullshit.
Zygon Curry
>
> Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> > Steven Kitson wrote:
> > > In article <3B80F6...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> > > >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
> > > >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
> > > >shows.
> > > Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
> > > make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
> > > precisely what drags it down.
> > Then they wouldn't be Buffy or Angel.
>
> No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
> 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
> apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
> California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
But it's not going tobe Buffy or Angel. Joss has already stated that it
will have a distinct, and very different feel to it.
>
> > > >Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
> > > >very very different production.
> > > Yes, it would probably feature a bunch of rebels fighting _against_ a huge
> > > Federation, rather than establishment figures working for the
> > > authorities. And it would be darker and more cynical. People might even
> > > die.
> > >
> > > It'd be better, too.
> >
> > Would it? When was the last time the UK made a successful sci-fi series
> > on the scale of Star Trek?
>
> Uh... did you miss the entire paragraph I just wrote? The BBC has done
> it. It was called 'Blake's 7'. _That's_ what a British 'Star Trek' would
> look like -- and it was a damn sight better than Gene 'Wagon Train to
> the Stars' Rodenberry.
But it was cheaply made, and had a budget smaller then that of DW. It
was also not produced on the scale that Star Trek is which is what I
asked.
Zygon Curry
>
> Zygon Curry wrote:
>
> > Would it? When was the last time the UK made a successful sci-fi series
> > on the scale of Star Trek?
>
> Uh... did you miss the entire paragraph I just wrote? The BBC has done
> it. It was called 'Blake's 7'. _That's_ what a British 'Star Trek' would
> look like -- and it was a damn sight better than Gene 'Wagon Train to
> the Stars' Rodenberry.
Also, B7 was nothing like a British ST. The premise of the series was
totally different for a start.
Regards,
Zygon Curry
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Steven Kitson wrote:
Ok, that's fair enough then. But I would think that having British consultants work
with them should be enough to do that though.
-Fett
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Steven Kitson wrote:
> In article <3B80F6...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
> >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
> >shows.
>
> Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
> make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
> precisely what drags it down.
Those shows don't share anything in common with mainstream American TV though.
Unless you just like hearing British accents, seeing British sights, and and
having very low budgets.
> >Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
> >very very different production.
>
> Yes, it would probably feature a bunch of rebels fighting _against_ a huge
> Federation, rather than establishment figures working for the
> authorities. And it would be darker and more cynical. People might even
> die.
Well, it wouldn't be Star Trek then.
> It'd be better, too.
Right. It'd be real great to see Kirk and the crew fighting things that look
like the Myrka everyweek. Riveting stuff.
-Fett
DBurns6554
>>I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
>> make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
>> precisely what drags it down.
And you like the shittiness of the McCoy era with the bad stories, the pathetic
scripts, and the poor acting? You are seriously fucked up.
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Steven Kitson wrote:
> Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> > Steven Kitson wrote:
> > > In article <3B80F6...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
> > > >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
> > > >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
> > > >shows.
> > > Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
> > > make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
> > > precisely what drags it down.
> > Then they wouldn't be Buffy or Angel.
>
> No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
> 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
> apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
> California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
You don't seem to understand here. The whole idea of this mini-series is that it is
all about Giles, who is from England. And it's extremely hard for it to be better
than Buffy or Angel, seeing as how they are the best 2 shows on tv.
> > > >Take Star Trek for instance... A British produced Star Trek would be a
> > > >very very different production.
> > > Yes, it would probably feature a bunch of rebels fighting _against_ a huge
> > > Federation, rather than establishment figures working for the
> > > authorities. And it would be darker and more cynical. People might even
> > > die.
> > >
> > > It'd be better, too.
> >
> > Would it? When was the last time the UK made a successful sci-fi series
> > on the scale of Star Trek?
>
> Uh... did you miss the entire paragraph I just wrote? The BBC has done
> it. It was called 'Blake's 7'. _That's_ what a British 'Star Trek' would
> look like -- and it was a damn sight better than Gene 'Wagon Train to
> the Stars' Rodenberry.
>
> From the nation that brought you '1984' and 'Brave New World'.
God forbid you guys actually dream of a half decent future!
-Fett
Joxer
Kitson) sallied forth:
>Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
>> Steven Kitson wrote:
>> > In article <3B80F6...@ic24.net>, Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> wrote:
>> > >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
>> > >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
>> > >shows.
>> > Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
>> > make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
>> > precisely what drags it down.
>> Then they wouldn't be Buffy or Angel.
>
>No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
>'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
>apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
>California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
<sob> - no better than the best two TV series to have ever been aired on
either side of the Atlantic - how will we ever cope ;-?
--
Colin B.
Grrr. Arrgh.
Steven Kitson
> Steven Kitson wrote:
> > No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
> > 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
> > apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
> > California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
>
> You don't seem to understand here. The whole idea of this mini-series is
> that it is all about Giles, who is from England.
Uh, yeah. Only how much of England is actually going to make it into the
writing, I don't know. From the American-pop-culture-obsessed 'Buffy,
the Vampire Slayer' writers?
Of course, there is Joss Whedon himself, who spent time in Britain.
Which is probably why so many 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' storylines
appear to have been ripped off from 1970s 'Doctor Who'.
> And it's extremely hard for it to be better
> than Buffy or Angel, seeing as how they are the best 2 shows on tv.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight. No, I'm sorry, you lose there. Admittedly Britain
hasn't been doing so well recently, but America has also given us 'The
West Wing' and 'The Sopranos' -- either one of which knocks not just
spots but entire dalmations off 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer'.
_Especially_ 'The West Wing'. Aaron Sorkin has taken over the position
foremerly occupied by Joss Whedon in my estimation as the best dialogue
writer on TV.
(In general, of course, the title is still held by Tom Stoppard).
Steven Kitson
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:59:53 +0100, ski...@greenend.org.uk (Steven
> Kitson) sallied forth:
> >'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
> >apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
> >California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
>
> <sob> - no better than the best two TV series to have ever been aired on
> either side of the Atlantic - how will we ever cope ;-?
Uh huh. Might we be exaggerating a tad?
Steven Kitson
> > it. It was called 'Blake's 7'. _That's_ what a British 'Star Trek' would
> > look like -- and it was a damn sight better than Gene 'Wagon Train to
> > the Stars' Rodenberry.
>
> Also, B7 was nothing like a British ST. The premise of the series was
> totally different for a start.
It was, I think, the nearest the British could do to 'Star Trek' --
Britain wouldn't stomach the saccarine-coated 'in the future everythig
will be great and we'll all love each other'-ness of 'Star Trek'.
But the point was that it's British space opera in the 'crew of a ship'
mould. Which is what 'Star Trek' was. The two are comparable, and
'Blake's 7' easily coumes out ahead on dialogue, characterisation,
acting (of the regulars, not guests, who were equally hammy on both
shows) general tone and mood (the aforementioned lack of feel-good
sweetness).
Zygon Curry
>
> Of course, there is Joss Whedon himself, who spent time in Britain.
> Which is probably why so many 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' storylines
> appear to have been ripped off from 1970s 'Doctor Who'.
The reoccurring main bad guy from the first season of Buffy... a vampire
who dresses all in black and calls himself the Master!
Regards,
Zygon Curry
Jim Vowles
> > of The Watcher, a Buffy spin off. The word is that the series is go and
> > just needs final confirmation.
>
> to be done by people on the 'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' team, rather
> than British writers?
Umm...No. Because the initial series must capture the Buffy crowds, and
they're unlikely to do that without using the show's existing and
experienced pool of writers, at least early on. The show thrives on tone
and atmosphere but also a peculiar sensibility that would be noticable
for its absence. I'm sure they'll bring in Brits as things progress, and
as the series establishes its own identity---much as Angel has done.
> Whedon at least has spent a not inconsiderable amount of time in Britain
> (or more accurately, England, but at least that's where it's set), but
> the others seem to mostly play with American references... something
> that would _not_ be appropriate.
See comments above. After all, Giles has been abroad in the states for
quite a while, and inundated with Buffyspeak. He's undoubtedly going to
find (to his dismay) that he's picked up more Americanisms and
Buffyspeak than he thought, and thereby gain some comedy.
> In fact, I'd be hoping for something more grown-up even that 'Angel',
> with less pop-culture references and a darker tone. Preferably with some
> of that trademark British surrealism.
Again, more important is to get the Buffyverse tone properly in place,
and THEN allow it to find its own voice.
> I expect to be disappointed.
Criminey, you're a cheery fellow.
I expect to be entertained, because I've yet to see anything Joss has
done that has failed that basic test. I do NOT expect to be wowed (but I
would love to be!).
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Jim Vowles Jr
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Joxer
Kitson) sallied forth:
>Joxer <joxe...@softhome.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:59:53 +0100, ski...@greenend.org.uk (Steven
>> Kitson) sallied forth:
>> >No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
>> >'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
>> >apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
>> >California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
>>
>> <sob> - no better than the best two TV series to have ever been aired on
>> either side of the Atlantic - how will we ever cope ;-?
>
>Uh huh. Might we be exaggerating a tad?
Well I'm not, but I can't speak for you, Steven ;-)
William December Starr
Zygon Curry <kame...@ic24.net> said:
>>> Would it? When was the last time the UK made a successful sci-fi
>>> series on the scale of Star Trek? [Zygon Curry]
>>
>> Uh... did you miss the entire paragraph I just wrote? The BBC has
>> done it. It was called 'Blake's 7'. _That's_ what a British 'Star
>> Trek' would look like -- and it was a damn sight better than Gene
>> 'Wagon Train to the Stars' Rodenberry. [Steve Kitson]
>
> Also, B7 was nothing like a British ST. The premise of the series
> was totally different for a start.
Every now and then in rec.arts.sf.tv (or even rec.arts.sf.written,
which has its fair share of off-topicality), the meme arises that
"Star Trek" and "Blake's Seven" take place in the same universe --
Trek is produced by the Federation Ministry of Propaganda, while
"Blake's" is an underground video production put out by the rebels.
Which probably doesn't really work, but it does nicely explain the
disparity in production budgets...
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
norville
December Starr) wrote:
> Every now and then in rec.arts.sf.tv (or even rec.arts.sf.written,
> which has its fair share of off-topicality), the meme arises that
> "Star Trek" and "Blake's Seven" take place in the same universe --
> Trek is produced by the Federation Ministry of Propaganda, while
> "Blake's" is an underground video production put out by the rebels.
> Which probably doesn't really work, but it does nicely explain the
> disparity in production budgets...
I like that! I heard years ago the idea that perhaps B7 took place in a
far-future Trek universe that had fallen into major disrepair, and fans
pointed out the similarity between the Trek Federation insignia and the B7
insignia seen in the title (Federation insignia on its side). Believe it
or not, I hadn't even noticed, and when I saw that, it was one of those
"Oh, duh, I can't believe I didn't see that!" moments. :->
Snarky
flonking time in rec.arts.drwho, Eris Kallisti Discordia spoke to me
through norville:
Only problem is: United Federation of Planets != Terran
Federation...So I figure it might be at least a thousand years later,
maybe two thousand, or three -- the latter being most likely, to
account for the lack of any familiar alien races (they all got killed
off when Terra took over the galaxy). Grim, eh?;-{)}
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Snarky
flonking time in rec.arts.drwho, Eris Kallisti Discordia spoke to me
>On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:59:53 +0100, Steven Kitson sallied forth:
>>Zygon Curry wrote:
>>> Steven Kitson wrote:
>>> > >In this case they want a show which has much of the appeal that Buffy
>>> > >and Angel has. Part of that is due to the American production of these
>>> > >shows.
>>> > Not to me. I think the American aspects of the shows -- both those which
>>> > make it onto the screen, and the ethos surrounding the production -- are
>>> > precisely what drags it down.
>>> Then they wouldn't be Buffy or Angel.
>>
>>No, they would be better. And I was hoping this new show wouldn't be
>>'Buffy, the Vampire Slayer' or 'Angel'; that it would be better. But
>>apparantly it will. Just with Bath in the background instead of
>>California. Whoop-de-God-damn-do.
>
><sob> - no better than the best two TV series to have ever been aired on
>either side of the Atlantic - how will we ever cope ;-?
Hey, don't forget Xena...;-{P}