The Time Lords survived the Time War?

Agamemnon

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Jan 4, 2010, 1:16:54 AM1/4/10

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Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived the
Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was
remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's saying
it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after the
confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being made in
triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.

solar penguin

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:15:00 AM1/4/10

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Agamemnon wrote:

Interesting theory. Or perhaps it's because Time War-era Gallifrey
exists in a special relationship with time, so future, past and
present have no separate meaning there.

Or maybe RTD just screwed up again.

Fred

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:55:14 AM1/4/10

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I was thinking that the link created using the Master's mind and the
Whitepoint diamond was open for a few minutes before the link was
severed. Maybe some escaped. Who knows what got out, and where or
when it is.

AlanSailsbury

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Jan 4, 2010, 11:36:27 AM1/4/10

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Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
a calendar.

This is why fan reviews are so shit. Fans like you don't understand
what you're watching!

The Doctor

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Jan 4, 2010, 11:38:29 AM1/4/10

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In article <39fd4e42-0e65-456e...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 4, 1:16=A0am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived th=

>e
>> Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was

>> remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's sayin=
>g
>> it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after th=
>e
>> confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being made =

>in
>> triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>
>Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>a calendar.
>

>This is why fan reviews are so !@#$. Fans like you don't understand
>what you're watching!
>

TRoll off Trollsbury.

Clearly part 2 mention edge of the Time Wars.
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AlanSailsbury

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Jan 4, 2010, 11:41:43 AM1/4/10

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On Jan 4, 4:38 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <39fd4e42-0e65-456e-bea8-73af21218...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

So I'm fucking RIGHT then aren't I, stupid, and it's not after the
Time War as Aggy thought.

Christ but you're thick!

Mr.Smartypants

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Jan 4, 2010, 12:38:29 PM1/4/10

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That's because there are no CATS in it.

Agamemnon

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Jan 4, 2010, 1:56:35 PM1/4/10

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"AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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And fools like you just don't understand the English language. Read what I
wrote again. None if it denies that the Time War occurred. All of it was
said after everything in The End of Time had occured and in a triumphant
voice. It indicates that the Time Lords survived.

pbo...@aol.com

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:20:44 PM1/4/10

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In this case, Alan, you've misunderstood the point Aggy's making. He's
talking about the way Dalton's narration was phrased in part one,
which is indeed all in the past tense - we don't know where that fits
relative to the council of war scenes in part two, which are all
phrased in the present tense. It doesn't bear close scrutiny because
it's just an RTD device to sound ominous, but if we were to assume we
were watching a story with a coherent plot, it would be a valid point.
However, I don't think we're meant to place the narration within the
context of the Time War storyline - apart from anything else, who is
Dalton meant to be narrating to in in-story terms?

Phil

The Doctor

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:27:27 PM1/4/10

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In article <34633fa4-fc84-451e...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 4, 4:38=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <39fd4e42-0e65-456e-bea8-73af21218...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> AlanSailsbury =A0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On Jan 4, 1:16=3DA0am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> >> Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived=
> th=3D

>> >e
>> >> Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was

>> >> remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's sa=
>yin=3D
>> >g
>> >> it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after=
> th=3D
>> >e
>> >> confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being ma=
>de =3D

>> >in
>> >> triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>
>> >Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>> >the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> >the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>> >on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>> >were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>> >concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>> >to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>> >a calendar.
>>
>> >This is why fan reviews are so !@#$. Fans like you don't understand
>> >what you're watching!
>>
>> TRoll off Trollsbury.
>>
>> Clearly part 2 mention edge of the Time Wars.
>> --
>

>So I'm RIGHT then aren't I, stupid, and it's not after the

>Time War as Aggy thought.
>
>Christ but you're thick!
>
>

Said the Ag hater.

The Doctor

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:37:01 PM1/4/10

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In article <513b62d5-404f-4556...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Mr.Smartypants <bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:
>On Jan 4, 9:36=A0am, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jan 4, 1:16=A0am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> > Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived =

>the
>> > Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was

>> > remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's say=
>ing
>> > it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after =
>the
>> > confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being mad=

>e in
>> > triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>
>> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>> on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>> were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>> concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>> to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>> a calendar.
>>

>> This is why fan reviews are so Fans like you don't understand

>> what you're watching!
>
>
>That's because there are no CATS in it.
>

TRolls of a bitter type for you.

Agamemnon

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:37:42 PM1/4/10

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<pbo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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A Time Lord history class at the academy maybe. He wouldn't be wasting time
doing that on the final day of the Time War. It has to be afterwards, and
thus the Time Lords survived. Rassilon was able to interact with events
outside the Time Lock by returning the human race to normal, so he had the
ability to change any event he wanted including those affecting the Time War
and create a new escape route.

The Doctor

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:43:35 PM1/4/10

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In article <w7CdnSJrSM5DpN_W...@eclipse.net.uk>,

Agamemnon <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>"AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:39fd4e42-0e65-456e...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 4, 1:16 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived the
>> Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was
>> remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's saying
>> it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after the
>> confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being made
>> in
>> triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>
><<<Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>a calendar.
>

>This is why fan reviews are so . Fans like you don't understand

>what you're watching!>>>
>
>And fools like you just don't understand the English language. Read what I
>wrote again. None if it denies that the Time War occurred. All of it was
>said after everything in The End of Time had occured and in a triumphant
>voice. It indicates that the Time Lords survived.
>
>
>
>

AS is a troll of a foll and a fool of a troll.

The Doctor

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:46:24 PM1/4/10

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In article <c55694aa-5351-4429...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,

pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 4 Jan, 16:36, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> On Jan 4, 1:16=A0am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> > Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived =

>the
>> > Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was

>> > remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's say=
>ing
>> > it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after =
>the
>> > confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being mad=

>e in
>> > triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>
>> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>> on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>> were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>> concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>> to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>> a calendar.
>>

>> This is why fan reviews are so . Fans like you don't understand

>> what you're watching!
>
>In this case, Alan, you've misunderstood the point Aggy's making. He's
>talking about the way Dalton's narration was phrased in part one,
>which is indeed all in the past tense - we don't know where that fits
>relative to the council of war scenes in part two, which are all
>phrased in the present tense. It doesn't bear close scrutiny because
>it's just an RTD device to sound ominous, but if we were to assume we
>were watching a story with a coherent plot, it would be a valid point.
>However, I don't think we're meant to place the narration within the
>context of the Time War storyline - apart from anything else, who is
>Dalton meant to be narrating to in in-story terms?
>
>Phil

Alan tends to isolate himself to his own clique.

The Doctor

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Jan 4, 2010, 2:49:03 PM1/4/10

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In article <JIednZxpaNcc3t_W...@eclipse.net.uk>,

Why revive Rassilon. In T5D he is happy where he is.

F�achad�ir

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Dalton/Rasillon needed a vote from the assembly before going ahead
with his plan. Two voted against, remembe? The voiceover works within
the story as extracts from his speech to the assembly, telling them
what's happened so far and what is going on as he calls for the vote.

>It has to be afterwards, and
>thus the Time Lords survived. Rassilon was able to interact with events
>outside the Time Lock by returning the human race to normal, so he had the
>ability to change any event he wanted including those affecting the Time War
>and create a new escape route.

--
'Donegal: Up Here It's Different'
� F�achad�ir

Agamemnon

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"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
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"This was the day that the Time Lords returned"? How does that work. It's
past tence. They don't return until after the vote.

Soze

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"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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The way I understood it was the Time Lord council was taking place just
before their imminent defeat. The prophet woman had told them what the
Doctor was going to do and that only he would survive. They flicked the
diamond back through time to give them an escape route from that eventual
time line...which they then took. They were escaping right at the very end
of the Time War. It was all a bit jumbled looking back on it!

pbo...@aol.com

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On 4 Jan, 21:25, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:37:42 -0000, "Agamemnon"
>
>
>
>
>

> <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
> ><pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message

Good point - that would also explain the Phantom Menace scene at the
end of part one.

Phil

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On 4 Jan, 21:54, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message

>
> news:71n4k5t781chmqa4i...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:37:42 -0000, "Agamemnon"

> > <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
> >><pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message

This, however, is also a good point. Which I think leads us back to my
comment that this isn't intended to represent a particular in-story
point in proceedings - RTD did it for effect, and revealed the
narrator to be a Time Lord for the same reason, not to imply anything
about where/when the comments were being made.

Phil

The Doctor

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In article <gYudnS5aWfU2_t_W...@eclipse.net.uk>,

Still they can return.

The Doctor

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In article <7qf9ha...@mid.individual.net>,

You are correct. IT was at the edge of the Time War.

Agamemnon

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You mean The Phantom Menace copied The Deadly Assassin?

The Doctor

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In article <i8WdnXNfxaoZ5t_W...@eclipse.net.uk>,

Maybe??

Diane L.

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I thought he was just narrating what was happening in a portentous,
'look-at-me-I'm-so-amazing' manner and phrasing it as past tense
because he couldn't imagine his plans *not* being the way the things
would turn out in the end. A bit like those sad gits who refer
themselves in the third person because they're mentally writing the
headlines or history books where they imagine they belong.

Diane L.

AlanSailsbury

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Jan 6, 2010, 7:35:17 PM1/6/10

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On Jan 6, 8:58 pm, "Diane L." <dianen...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:

Exactly. You've got it Diane. I'm amazed so many other fans
misunderstood it!

The Doctor

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In article <24893512-3345-4a6f...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Jan 6, 8:58=A0pm, "Diane L." <dianen...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>> pbow...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On 4 Jan, 16:36, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> On Jan 4, 1:16 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords
>> >>> survived the Time War since it is all done in the past tense.
>> >>> Christmas Day was remembered as the day which the Time Lords
>> >>> returned and so in. He's saying it after it's already happened so
>> >>> the speech must have been made after the confrontation with the
>> >>> Doctor and the Master since since it's being made in triumphant
>> >>> tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>
>> >> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>> >> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> >> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the
>> >> rubble on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the
>> >> Time Lords were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you
>> >> misunderstand the concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our
>> >> time and space so to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us
>> >> looking at a date on a calendar.
>>

>> >> This is why fan reviews are so !@#$. Fans like you don't understand

>> >> what you're watching!
>>
>> > In this case, Alan, you've misunderstood the point Aggy's making. He's
>> > talking about the way Dalton's narration was phrased in part one,
>> > which is indeed all in the past tense - we don't know where that fits
>> > relative to the council of war scenes in part two, which are all
>> > phrased in the present tense. It doesn't bear close scrutiny because
>> > it's just an RTD device to sound ominous, but if we were to assume we
>> > were watching a story with a coherent plot, it would be a valid point.
>> > However, I don't think we're meant to place the narration within the
>> > context of the Time War storyline - apart from anything else, who is
>> > Dalton meant to be narrating to in in-story terms?
>>
>> I thought he was just narrating what was happening in a portentous,
>> 'look-at-me-I'm-so-amazing' manner and phrasing it as past tense
>> because he couldn't imagine his plans *not* being the way the things
>> would turn out in the end. A bit like those sad gits who refer
>> themselves in the third person because they're mentally writing the
>> headlines or history books where they imagine they belong.
>>
>> Diane L.
>
>Exactly. You've got it Diane. I'm amazed so many other fans
>misunderstood it!
>

I hope TRollsbury does not teach literature.

AlanSailsbury

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On Jan 6, 8:02 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <24893512-3345-4a6f-8928-009f773c4...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

What inspired THAT non sequitur?

The Doctor

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Jan 7, 2010, 6:26:26 PM1/7/10

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In article <1f52c144-dbc0-4b20...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 6, 8:02=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <24893512-3345-4a6f-8928-009f773c4...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> AlanSailsbury =A0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> >On Jan 6, 8:58=3DA0pm, "Diane L." <dianen...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>> >> pbow...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> > On 4 Jan, 16:36, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >> On Jan 4, 1:16 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords
>> >> >>> survived the Time War since it is all done in the past tense.
>> >> >>> Christmas Day was remembered as the day which the Time Lords
>> >> >>> returned and so in. He's saying it after it's already happened so
>> >> >>> the speech must have been made after the confrontation with the
>> >> >>> Doctor and the Master since since it's being made in triumphant
>> >> >>> tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>

>> >> >> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one an=

>d
>> >> >> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> >> >> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the
>> >> >> rubble on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the
>> >> >> Time Lords were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you

>> >> >> misunderstand the concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of ou=

>r
>> >> >> time and space so to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us
>> >> >> looking at a date on a calendar.
>>
>> >> >> This is why fan reviews are so !@#$. Fans like you don't understand
>> >> >> what you're watching!
>>

>> >> > In this case, Alan, you've misunderstood the point Aggy's making. He=

>'s
>> >> > talking about the way Dalton's narration was phrased in part one,

>> >> > which is indeed all in the past tense - we don't know where that fit=

>s
>> >> > relative to the council of war scenes in part two, which are all
>> >> > phrased in the present tense. It doesn't bear close scrutiny because

>> >> > it's just an RTD device to sound ominous, but if we were to assume w=
>e
>> >> > were watching a story with a coherent plot, it would be a valid poin=

>t.
>> >> > However, I don't think we're meant to place the narration within the
>> >> > context of the Time War storyline - apart from anything else, who is
>> >> > Dalton meant to be narrating to in in-story terms?
>>
>> >> I thought he was just narrating what was happening in a portentous,
>> >> 'look-at-me-I'm-so-amazing' manner and phrasing it as past tense
>> >> because he couldn't imagine his plans *not* being the way the things
>> >> would turn out in the end. A bit like those sad gits who refer
>> >> themselves in the third person because they're mentally writing the
>> >> headlines or history books where they imagine they belong.
>>
>> >> Diane L.
>>
>> >Exactly. You've got it Diane. I'm amazed so many other fans
>> >misunderstood it!
>>
>> I hope TRollsbury does not teach literature.
>> --
>
>What inspired THAT non sequitur?
>
>

What you are saying.

AlanSailsbury

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On Jan 7, 11:26 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <1f52c144-dbc0-4b20-978c-b10b828d4...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

You're completely ignorant of everything.

The Doctor

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In article <2816aee7-f3df-4439...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 11:26=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <1f52c144-dbc0-4b20-978c-b10b828d4...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups=

>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> AlanSailsbury =A0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> >On Jan 6, 8:02=3DA0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> In article <24893512-3345-4a6f-8928-009f773c4...@l30g2000yqb.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>>
>> >> AlanSailsbury =3DA0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >On Jan 6, 8:58=3D3DA0pm, "Diane L." <dianen...@lindquist.plus.com> wr=

>ote:
>> >> >> pbow...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On 4 Jan, 16:36, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> >> >> >> On Jan 4, 1:16 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrot=

>e:
>>
>> >> >> >>> Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords
>> >> >> >>> survived the Time War since it is all done in the past tense.
>> >> >> >>> Christmas Day was remembered as the day which the Time Lords

>> >> >> >>> returned and so in. He's saying it after it's already happened =

>so
>> >> >> >>> the speech must have been made after the confrontation with the
>> >> >> >>> Doctor and the Master since since it's being made in triumphant
>> >> >> >>> tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>

>> >> >> >> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one=
> an=3D
>> >d
>> >> >> >> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are=

> IN
>> >> >> >> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the

>> >> >> >> rubble on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that th=

>e
>> >> >> >> Time Lords were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you

>> >> >> >> misunderstand the concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of=
> ou=3D
>> >r
>> >> >> >> time and space so to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like =

>us
>> >> >> >> looking at a date on a calendar.
>>

>> >> >> >> This is why fan reviews are so !@#$. Fans like you don't underst=

>and
>> >> >> >> what you're watching!
>>

>> >> >> > In this case, Alan, you've misunderstood the point Aggy's making.=
> He=3D

>> >'s
>> >> >> > talking about the way Dalton's narration was phrased in part one,

>> >> >> > which is indeed all in the past tense - we don't know where that =
>fit=3D

>> >s
>> >> >> > relative to the council of war scenes in part two, which are all

>> >> >> > phrased in the present tense. It doesn't bear close scrutiny beca=
>use
>> >> >> > it's just an RTD device to sound ominous, but if we were to assum=
>e w=3D
>> >e
>> >> >> > were watching a story with a coherent plot, it would be a valid p=
>oin=3D
>> >t.
>> >> >> > However, I don't think we're meant to place the narration within =
>the
>> >> >> > context of the Time War storyline - apart from anything else, who=

> is
>> >> >> > Dalton meant to be narrating to in in-story terms?
>>
>> >> >> I thought he was just narrating what was happening in a portentous,
>> >> >> 'look-at-me-I'm-so-amazing' manner and phrasing it as past tense

>> >> >> because he couldn't imagine his plans *not* being the way the thing=

>s
>> >> >> would turn out in the end. A bit like those sad gits who refer
>> >> >> themselves in the third person because they're mentally writing the
>> >> >> headlines or history books where they imagine they belong.
>>
>> >> >> Diane L.
>>
>> >> >Exactly. You've got it Diane. I'm amazed so many other fans
>> >> >misunderstood it!
>>
>> >> I hope TRollsbury does not teach literature.
>> >> --
>>
>> >What inspired THAT non sequitur?
>>
>> What you are saying.
>> --
>
>You're completely ignorant of everything.

Said Trollsbury.

sadako

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Jan 18, 2010, 1:42:59 PM1/18/10

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On Jan 4, 4:36 pm, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Jan 4, 1:16 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
> > Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived the
> > Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was
> > remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's saying

> > it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after the

> > confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being made in
> > triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>

> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN

> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble

> on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords

> were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the

> concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
> to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
> a calendar.
>
> This is why fan reviews are so shit. Fans like you don't understand
> what you're watching!

Wow, sounds like you've given its logic some serious thought in terms
of working outs its realistic plausibility.

But isn't that obsessive dwelling on the story and thinking it over
exactly the kind of behaviour you're usually declaring as 'sad' and
'mentally ill' just to make yourself look cool?

The Doctor

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Jan 18, 2010, 5:20:00 PM1/18/10

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In article <d4a82a52-7c8e-4507...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
sadako <tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Jan 4, 4:36=A0pm, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Jan 4, 1:16=A0am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> > Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords survived =

>the
>> > Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was

>> > remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's say=
>ing
>> > it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made after =
>the
>> > confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being mad=

>e in
>> > triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>
>> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>> on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>> were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>> concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>> to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>> a calendar.
>>
>> This is why fan reviews are so shit. Fans like you don't understand
>> what you're watching!
>
>Wow, sounds like you've given its logic some serious thought in terms
>of working outs its realistic plausibility.
>
>But isn't that obsessive dwelling on the story and thinking it over
>exactly the kind of behaviour you're usually declaring as 'sad' and
>'mentally ill' just to make yourself look cool?

Said mentally ill troll Tom80s the SADako!

sadako

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On 18 Jan, 22:20, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <d4a82a52-7c8e-4507-a517-8e633f387...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black!

The Doctor

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In article <d851f689-f03a-4eb4...@d1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,

sadako <tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On 18 Jan, 22:20, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

>> In article <d4a82a52-7c8e-4507-a517-8e633f387...@a15g2000yqm.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sadako =A0<tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On Jan 4, 4:36=3DA0pm, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> On Jan 4, 1:16=3DA0am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Timothy Dlaton's narration seems to imply that the Time Lords surviv=
>ed =3D

>> >the
>> >> > Time War since it is all done in the past tense. Christmas Day was

>> >> > remembered as the day which the Time Lords returned and so in. He's =
>say=3D
>> >ing
>> >> > it after it's already happened so the speech must have been made aft=
>er =3D
>> >the
>> >> > confrontation with the Doctor and the Master since since it's being =
>mad=3D

>> >e in
>> >> > triumphant tone the Time Lords must have escaped and survived.
>>
>> >> Er, no. Watch it again and pay attention. The end of episode one and
>> >> the beginning of part two makes it clear that the Time Lords are IN
>> >> the Time War. Perhaps you missed all those Dalek saucers in the rubble
>> >> on Gallifrey. Perhaps you missed the entire point that the Time Lords
>> >> were trying to ESCAPE the Time War. Perhaps you misunderstand the
>> >> concept of TIME Lords who can exist outside of our time and space so
>> >> to them looking at Christmas Day 2009 is like us looking at a date on
>> >> a calendar.
>>
>> >> This is why fan reviews are so shit. Fans like you don't understand
>> >> what you're watching!
>>
>> >Wow, sounds like you've given its logic some serious thought in terms
>> >of working outs its realistic plausibility.
>>
>> >But isn't that obsessive dwelling on the story and thinking it over
>> >exactly the kind of behaviour you're usually declaring as 'sad' and
>> >'mentally ill' just to make yourself look cool?
>>
>> Said mentally ill troll Tom80s the SADako!
>> --

>> Member - Liberal International =A0This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl=
>2k.ab.ca
>> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist=

> rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
>> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black!

Said Insane troll Tom80s the SADako!

--
Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!

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