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Re: Doctor Who--Deja vu all over again ("The Name of the Doctor" spoilers)

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The Doctor

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May 19, 2013, 5:01:32 PM5/19/13
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In article <knan05$639$1...@dont-email.me>,
Ken from Chicago <ken...@ymail.com> wrote:
>You know, whatever flaws Russell T. Davies had during his run of DOCTOR WHO
>and even TORCHWOOD, including TW:MIRACLE DAY, essentially going for bigger
>and bigger threats (tho I suppose that's typical of shows in general), at
>least he didn't cop out by relying on the crutch of time travel to just go
>back and undo everything. Actions mattered. Actions had consequences, even
>if out of objective sequential order.

RTD just did not fit the bill.

>
>Steven Moffat however keeps hitting the reset button like diehard gamblers
>pulling the arms on one-armed bandits at Las Vegas. Crack in the universe
>resets time. Amy gets married to reboot the universe and resets time. Doctor
>breaks cosmic rules so all time stops on the same moment and so he marries
>River to kiss her to ... reset time.

Given the Big Reset Button from the Time Wars, justified criticism.

>
>Now the Great Intelligence, theorizing one can travel back and forth through
>all the moments of the Doctor's life, steps into the quantum accelerator and
>vanishes, to rewrite the Doctor's history AND resets time.
>
>Clara has to stop the Great Intelligence so she too steps into the quantum
>accelerator time scar wound and vanishes echoing from moment to moment, now
>only an echo that not even the Doctor can see or hear, she relives those
>moments hoping to put right what the Great Intelligence put wrong AND ...
>resets time.

G.I. first then Clara, and it all makes sense

>
>However once the echoes of Clara have done their work, Clara, the souffle
>gal (can we stop referring to grown women as "girls"? Amy the adult "girl"
>who waited, Clara the impossible "girl", sorry, personal bugaboo as a child
>of the 70s, but I digress), her story is done. Btw, could Clara sound
>somewhat more emotional about the end of her life than an automated
>telephone operator talking about voice mail? Sorry, digressing. So now that
>Clara has saved the Doctor's life he must save hers by stepping into his own
>time wound and tell Clara that she is a leaf on the wind, see how she soars.
>

So far high.

>In the process she discovers The Doctor who apparently is The Doctor but the
>one who broke the promise of living up to the name "The Doctor". I'd break
>promises too if was a disfigured elephant man, brain washed citizen in Room
>101 and have an alien burst out of my stomach, so there. Still, another
>ongoing Big Bad puzzle for the Doctor to puzzle out--or maybe simply
>eliminate by ... resetting time. (I know I sound like a broken record or an
>echo.)
>
>Speaking of echoes, there was AI hologram River. Hello, holo River. Nice to
>meet ya. She was nice, but a reminder of days past. She didn't get to do
>much except whisper the Doctor's name and apparently the GI died without
>revealing it. At least she got a much better goodbye and goodbye kiss than
>the real River.
>
>Speaking of good, Madame Vastra, Jenny & Strax. The one most exciting and
>original part of the story. Their opening 10 minutes zipped quite along. It
>would be truly criminal for TPTB not to spinoff them into their own series,
>ala Torchwood. And NOONE get any glasses for Strax. Heaven forbid he STOP
>mixing up human genders.
>
>-- Ken from Chicago
>

Well you have to pay attention from the very get go!
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Stephen Wilson

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May 19, 2013, 5:19:47 PM5/19/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <knan05$639$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Ken from Chicago <ken...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>You know, whatever flaws Russell T. Davies had during his run of DOCTOR
>>WHO
>>and even TORCHWOOD, including TW:MIRACLE DAY, essentially going for bigger
>>and bigger threats (tho I suppose that's typical of shows in general), at
>>least he didn't cop out by relying on the crutch of time travel to just go
>>back and undo everything. Actions mattered. Actions had consequences, even
>>if out of objective sequential order.
>
> RTD just did not fit the bill.

Didn't fit what bill?

>>
>>Steven Moffat however keeps hitting the reset button like diehard gamblers
>>pulling the arms on one-armed bandits at Las Vegas. Crack in the universe
>>resets time. Amy gets married to reboot the universe and resets time.
>>Doctor
>>breaks cosmic rules so all time stops on the same moment and so he marries
>>River to kiss her to ... reset time.
>
> Given the Big Reset Button from the Time Wars, justified criticism.

There isn't a big reset button from the Time Wars.

>>
>>Now the Great Intelligence, theorizing one can travel back and forth
>>through
>>all the moments of the Doctor's life, steps into the quantum accelerator
>>and
>>vanishes, to rewrite the Doctor's history AND resets time.
>>
>>Clara has to stop the Great Intelligence so she too steps into the quantum
>>accelerator time scar wound and vanishes echoing from moment to moment,
>>now
>>only an echo that not even the Doctor can see or hear, she relives those
>>moments hoping to put right what the Great Intelligence put wrong AND ...
>>resets time.
>
> G.I. first then Clara, and it all makes sense

Not particularly.

>>
>>However once the echoes of Clara have done their work, Clara, the souffle
>>gal (can we stop referring to grown women as "girls"? Amy the adult "girl"
>>who waited, Clara the impossible "girl", sorry, personal bugaboo as a
>>child
>>of the 70s, but I digress), her story is done. Btw, could Clara sound
>>somewhat more emotional about the end of her life than an automated
>>telephone operator talking about voice mail? Sorry, digressing. So now
>>that
>>Clara has saved the Doctor's life he must save hers by stepping into his
>>own
>>time wound and tell Clara that she is a leaf on the wind, see how she
>>soars.
>>
>
> So far high.

You what?
You what?


The Doctor

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May 19, 2013, 11:10:47 PM5/19/13
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In article <Ylbmt.17178$nm....@newsfe14.iad>,
Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:knbejc$r1t$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <knan05$639$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Ken from Chicago <ken...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>You know, whatever flaws Russell T. Davies had during his run of DOCTOR
>>>WHO
>>>and even TORCHWOOD, including TW:MIRACLE DAY, essentially going for bigger
>>>and bigger threats (tho I suppose that's typical of shows in general), at
>>>least he didn't cop out by relying on the crutch of time travel to just go
>>>back and undo everything. Actions mattered. Actions had consequences, even
>>>if out of objective sequential order.
>>
>> RTD just did not fit the bill.
>
>Didn't fit what bill?

RTD a family writer? I really do not think so!

>
>>>
>>>Steven Moffat however keeps hitting the reset button like diehard gamblers
>>>pulling the arms on one-armed bandits at Las Vegas. Crack in the universe
>>>resets time. Amy gets married to reboot the universe and resets time.
>>>Doctor
>>>breaks cosmic rules so all time stops on the same moment and so he marries
>>>River to kiss her to ... reset time.
>>
>> Given the Big Reset Button from the Time Wars, justified criticism.
>
>There isn't a big reset button from the Time Wars.
>

It is called Big Bang II

>>>
>>>Now the Great Intelligence, theorizing one can travel back and forth
>>>through
>>>all the moments of the Doctor's life, steps into the quantum accelerator
>>>and
>>>vanishes, to rewrite the Doctor's history AND resets time.
>>>
>>>Clara has to stop the Great Intelligence so she too steps into the quantum
>>>accelerator time scar wound and vanishes echoing from moment to moment,
>>>now
>>>only an echo that not even the Doctor can see or hear, she relives those
>>>moments hoping to put right what the Great Intelligence put wrong AND ...
>>>resets time.
>>
>> G.I. first then Clara, and it all makes sense
>
>Not particularly.

Not that sophicasted Mr. Wilson?

The Doctor

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May 20, 2013, 7:41:53 PM5/20/13
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In article <kne793$8l5$1...@blue-new.rahul.net>,
Ken Arromdee <arro...@rahul.net> wrote:
>>>Steven Moffat however keeps hitting the reset button like diehard gamblers
>>>pulling the arms on one-armed bandits at Las Vegas. Crack in the universe
>>>resets time. Amy gets married to reboot the universe and resets time. Doctor
>>>breaks cosmic rules so all time stops on the same moment and so he marries
>>>River to kiss her to ... reset time.
>>>
>>>Now the Great Intelligence, theorizing one can travel back and forth through
>>>all the moments of the Doctor's life, steps into the quantum accelerator and
>>>vanishes, to rewrite the Doctor's history AND resets time.
>
>You forgot the Heart of the Tardis. That also ended with resetting time.
>
>PS: Isn't it funny how when there was a crack in the universe, threatening
>to wipe the Doctor out of history posed no danger to anything, while now
>(and in Turn Left) it's a big deal?
>
>Also, you'd think wiping out the Doctor wipes out the Intelligence also
>(since the Doctor saved the universe in pre-Victorian times), thus undoing
>what the Intelligence meant to do by wiping it out in the first place.

In this case a timestream produced by a dying TARDIS.

Stephen Wilson

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May 21, 2013, 12:26:59 PM5/21/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <kne793$8l5$1...@blue-new.rahul.net>,
> Ken Arromdee <arro...@rahul.net> wrote:
>>>>Steven Moffat however keeps hitting the reset button like diehard
>>>>gamblers
>>>>pulling the arms on one-armed bandits at Las Vegas. Crack in the
>>>>universe
>>>>resets time. Amy gets married to reboot the universe and resets time.
>>>>Doctor
>>>>breaks cosmic rules so all time stops on the same moment and so he
>>>>marries
>>>>River to kiss her to ... reset time.
>>>>
>>>>Now the Great Intelligence, theorizing one can travel back and forth
>>>>through
>>>>all the moments of the Doctor's life, steps into the quantum accelerator
>>>>and
>>>>vanishes, to rewrite the Doctor's history AND resets time.
>>
>>You forgot the Heart of the Tardis. That also ended with resetting time.
>>
>>PS: Isn't it funny how when there was a crack in the universe, threatening
>>to wipe the Doctor out of history posed no danger to anything, while now
>>(and in Turn Left) it's a big deal?
>>
>>Also, you'd think wiping out the Doctor wipes out the Intelligence also
>>(since the Doctor saved the universe in pre-Victorian times), thus undoing
>>what the Intelligence meant to do by wiping it out in the first place.
>
> In this case a timestream produced by a dying TARDIS.

Incorrect.


The Doctor

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May 21, 2013, 3:51:56 PM5/21/13
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In article <qfNmt.16871$xl6....@newsfe15.iad>,
Watch again.

Stephen Wilson

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May 21, 2013, 6:42:57 PM5/21/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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I did. And you're still wrong.


The Doctor

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May 21, 2013, 6:46:34 PM5/21/13
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In article <TLSmt.22792$ru.1...@fx32.am4>,
Well it explains Clara and then some.

Stephen Wilson

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May 21, 2013, 7:08:24 PM5/21/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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Nope. Not at all. Not even a little bit.


The Doctor

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May 21, 2013, 7:32:44 PM5/21/13
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In article <K7Tmt.19649$0L6....@fx20.am4>,
You need to pay closer attentino.

solar penguin

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May 22, 2013, 9:03:28 AM5/22/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:32:44 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article <K7Tmt.19649$0L6....@fx20.am4>, Stephen Wilson
> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>news:kngtga$1dc$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <TLSmt.22792$ru.1...@fx32.am4>, Stephen Wilson
>>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:kngj8s$k3e$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>> In article <qfNmt.16871$xl6....@newsfe15.iad>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case a timestream produced by a dying TARDIS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Incorrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Watch again.
>>>>
>>>>I did. And you're still wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well it explains Clara and then some.

How does your being wrong explain Clara? You were wrong long before she
ever appeared!

>>
>>Nope. Not at all. Not even a little bit.
>>
>>
>>
> You need to pay closer attentino.

Does getting the spelling of "attention" wrong explain anybody? If so,
who?

Stephen Wilson

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May 22, 2013, 12:39:25 PM5/22/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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And here's the problem. I paid attention. You didn't.

But go on then - if you think you did, tell me how you think the story
explained Clara.


The Doctor

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May 22, 2013, 3:02:06 PM5/22/13
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In article <knifn0$e1k$2...@dont-email.me>,
solar penguin <solar....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:32:44 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <K7Tmt.19649$0L6....@fx20.am4>, Stephen Wilson
>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:kngtga$1dc$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> In article <TLSmt.22792$ru.1...@fx32.am4>, Stephen Wilson
>>>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:kngj8s$k3e$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>> In article <qfNmt.16871$xl6....@newsfe15.iad>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>> <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case a timestream produced by a dying TARDIS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Incorrect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watch again.
>>>>>
>>>>>I did. And you're still wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well it explains Clara and then some.
>
>How does your being wrong explain Clara? You were wrong long before she
>ever appeared!
>

0/10 Sp.

>>>
>>>Nope. Not at all. Not even a little bit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You need to pay closer attentino.
>
>Does getting the spelling of "attention" wrong explain anybody? If so,
>who?

Maybe you.

The Doctor

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May 22, 2013, 3:04:07 PM5/22/13
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In article <3x6nt.5384$PW1....@fx24.am4>,
Without Clara intervention at the Asylum or in Vitorian London
the Doctor would have been defeated. Futrther, if she did not
jump into the Time stream, many of the Doctor's acts would have been
reversed and hence chaos would have reign.

The Key to Time needs to be i nthe hands of the White Guardian.

Stephen Wilson

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May 22, 2013, 6:35:43 PM5/22/13
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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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The Key to Time has nothing to do with the story. The White Guardian has
nothing to do with the story.

And you didn't tell me how you think Clara managed to be at the Asylum, or
in Victorian London. What time stream do you think she jumped into?


The Doctor

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May 22, 2013, 6:38:35 PM5/22/13
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In article <5Lbnt.17799$dW3....@fx21.am4>,
I did. She jummped into the Doctor's stream.

I.E. Grandfather's paradox.

Adam H. Kerman

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May 22, 2013, 6:59:47 PM5/22/13
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Stephen Wilson <stephen.w...@nospam.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

>>The Key to Time needs to be i nthe hands of the White Guardian.

>The Key to Time has nothing to do with the story. The White Guardian has
>nothing to do with the story.

It occurs to me that The Key To Time is useless without The Lock To Time.
The Doctor never found that.

The Doctor

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May 22, 2013, 7:31:34 PM5/22/13
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In article <knjil3$gnr$1...@news.albasani.net>,
The Lock is either the Black or White Guardian.

anim8rFSK

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May 22, 2013, 8:03:03 PM5/22/13
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http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2013/05/22/doctor-who-john-hurt-as-
who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

The Doctor

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May 22, 2013, 10:14:21 PM5/22/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-0B38F...@news.easynews.com>,
Must check.

Your Name

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May 23, 2013, 2:31:16 AM5/23/13
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In article <anim8rfsk-0B38F...@news.easynews.com>, anim8rFSK
<anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2013/05/22/doctor-who-john-hurt-as-
> who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Wait, so does that mean in the dragon who helped Merlin was really a
future regeneration of the Doctor?? ;-)

The Doctor

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May 23, 2013, 7:50:23 AM5/23/13
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In article <YourName-230...@203-118-187-86.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
Could be the Battlefield Doctor < VBG >
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