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The Doctor

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Highs:

Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
Blink
Boomtown
Girl in the Fireplace
42
Fires of Pompeii
End of Time
Turn Right
Human Nature/Family of Blood

Lows:

Love and monsters
Dalek
Midnight
Waters of MArs


Your opinions please.

And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.

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idlehands

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The Doctor wrote:
> Highs:
>
> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> Blink
> Boomtown
> Girl in the Fireplace
> 42
> Fires of Pompeii
> End of Time
> Turn Right
> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>
> Lows:
>
> Love and monsters
> Dalek
> Midnight
> Waters of MArs
>
>
> Your opinions please.
>
> And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.

Did your parents have any children that lived?

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The Wordsmith

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On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:20:35 -0700, idlehands wrote:

> Did your parents have any children that lived?

Unless the afterlife has Usenet access (which wouldn't suprise me,
everyone does these days), then it seems likely that they did.

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idlehands

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The Wordsmith wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:20:35 -0700, idlehands wrote:
>
>> Did your parents have any children that lived?
>
> Unless the afterlife has Usenet access (which wouldn't suprise me,
> everyone does these days), then it seems likely that they did.

Well since he is acting like a brain-dead moron I thought it was a
reasonable question.

Your answer was very logical, but logic cannot be applied to the Doc I am
afraid


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Stephen O'Connell

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> Highs:

Bringing Doctor Who back to our TV screens.

Torchwood SO

Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)

> Lows:

Writing long drawn out stories that could be condensed in to half the time, and
not featuring enough topless women in his programmes.

> Your opinions please.

The NYR should never have got rid of Jagr!


The Doctor

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In article <hhtt3v$dj1$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Back to your natural habitat!

The Doctor

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In article <4b4279b6$0$4990$607e...@cv.net>,

Don't feed the RTDish troll

The Doctor

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In article <hhtvgu$lbo$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:hhts74$f9c$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> Highs:
>
>Bringing Doctor Who back to our TV screens.
>
>Torchwood SO
>
>Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)
>
>> Lows:
>
>Writing long drawn out stories that could be condensed in to half the time, and
>not featuring enough topless women in his programmes.
>

LOL!

>> Your opinions please.
>
>The NYR should never have got rid of Jagr!
>
>


<VBG>

Finn Wilcox

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:15:59 PM1/4/10
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The Doctor wrote:
> Highs:
>
1. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
2. Turn Left
3. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
4. Love & Monsters (yes really!)
5. Planet of the Dead

> Lows:
>
1. Father's Day
2. Aliens of London/World War Three
3. The Next Doctor
4. Fear Her
5. The Fires of Pompeii

Scariest Monsters:

1. Sylvia Noble
2. Abzorbaloff
3. Vashta Nerada
4. The Master
5. Weeping Angels

John Fleming

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:02:26 -0000, while chained to a desk
in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
wrote:

> $Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)

MILF - Mother I'd Like to F***.

--

John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O

Ryan McCoskrie

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The Doctor wrote:

> Highs:
>
> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> Blink
> Boomtown
> Girl in the Fireplace
> 42
> Fires of Pompeii
> End of Time
> Turn Right
> Human Nature/Family of Blood

Some of these episode I'm not exactly keen on but I largely
agree that this list of episodes had some good ideas.

> Lows:
>

Rose Tyler[1].
Constantly talking about the significance of the Doctor.
Abuse of cheesy computer graphics.
Constantly wiping out and bringing back the Daleks.
Wiping out the other Time Lords.
Gutting the TARDIS.
Allowing cheesy gags to distract from the serious elements
of the show.
Severe over dramatisation of every single plot element.

Hmm, now that I think about it RTD could write lyrics for
SpinalTap:

"We are the guests who have stayed too long
We are the end of the endless song
We send our hearts into the night
Soaring to heaven
And will out hearts still beat on
Or will they Break Like The Wind
Ooh, Break Like The Wind."

[1] How often does she do something other than either complain
or sit there looking like a small dog?
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Ignis Fatuus

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On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
Doctor) wrote:

>Highs:
Eccleston
Tennant/Noble/Cribbins
Derek Jacobi (Best Master Ever)
John Simm
Simon Callow
Jackie
Mickey
Lynda Wiv a Wy


Dalek
Empty Child/Doctor Dances
Girl in the Fireplace
Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
Fires of Pompeii
Midnight/Turn Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End
The End of Time

Honourable Mention in view of substantial improvements but definately
Not on the A list

Billie Piper

>Lows:

Barrowman

Aliens of London/WW3
Tooth and Claw
Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
Fear Her
Shakespeare Code
Gridlock
Human Nature/Family of Blood
Partners in Crime
Waters of Mars

The Laughing Dalek

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:57:04 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>
>>Highs:
>Eccleston
>Tennant/Noble/Cribbins
>Derek Jacobi (Best Master Ever)
>John Simm
>Simon Callow
>Jackie
>Mickey
>Lynda Wiv a Wy
>
>
>Dalek
>Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>Girl in the Fireplace
>Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
>Fires of Pompeii
>Midnight/Turn Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End
>The End of Time
>
>Honourable Mention in view of substantial improvements but definately
>Not on the A list
>
>Billie Piper

Agreed and Blink

>
>>Lows:
>
>Barrowman
>
>Aliens of London/WW3
>Tooth and Claw
>Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
>Fear Her
>Shakespeare Code
>Gridlock

>Partners in Crime

>Waters of Mars
>Human Nature/Family of Blood
Seriously?!?! IMHO it is one of the very highest points!

Ignis Fatuus

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Yes, I missed that. It's not one of my high points but it's an
excellent story.


One reason that Martha didn't get to the A list was she got more than
her fair share of mediocre scripts. In hindsight I should add her to
the top for the Master trilogy and an excellent performance with some
low grade material.

Come to think of it, Barrowman wasn't Bad - he just irritated the hell
out of me. He was still good for a laugh.

Honourable Mention for being good for a laugh

Barrowman

Harriet Jones for services above and beyond the call...

>>
>>>
Not Highs:

>>Aliens of London/WW3
>>Tooth and Claw
>>Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
>>Fear Her
>>Shakespeare Code
>>Gridlock
>>Partners in Crime
>>Waters of Mars
>>Human Nature/Family of Blood
>Seriously?!?! IMHO it is one of the very highest points!
>

Seriously - but that's just me.

Even the low points have their moments. Perhaps I shouldn't call them
Lows. I've changed my mind and I'm calling them Not Highs.

Overall It's been a damn fine five years with something for everyone
and some truly memorable stuff. It's pissed me off in places but what
doesn't?

10/10 Overall.

richard develyn

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Highs:

Bringing the series back.

Lows:

Writing the episodes.

Richard

Ignis Fatuus

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:43:18 +0000, richard develyn
<richard...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Highs:
>
>Bringing the series back.
>
>Lows:
>
>Writing the episodes.
>

I'd've agreed once over - but looking back he's penned some of my
favourites. To get stories like Utopia/Drums/Time Lords, Midnight/Turn
Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and End of Time, it was worth wading
through Partners-Aliens-Gridlock-Toothless Claw etc.

solar penguin

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Highs:

The Grand

Lows:

Mine All Mine

pbo...@aol.com

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He was great in Empty Child/Doctor Dances - I don't think he was
either given good scripts or anything significant to do in his later
appearances, so wouldn't judge him harshly on that. He works quite
well as a secondary companion - he's not good lead material in his own
show, but are we counting Torchwood or just Dr Who in this thread?

> Honourable Mention for being good for a laugh
>
> Barrowman
>
> Harriet Jones for services above and beyond the call...

The actress who played her (Penelope Wilton) for Queen Victoria (yes,
I know you don't like Tooth & Claw - but most people who don't like it
object to it only for the running joke. I wouldn't call Unquiet Dead a
high point, but I'd definitely agree that Simon Callow was).

Phil

The Face of Po

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In no particular order:
> Highs:

Midnight
Utopia
Blink... in fact, the whole run from "Human Nature" through to about
halfway through "Last of the Time Lords"
Dalek
Impossible Planet

> Lows:

Fear Her
Voyage of the Damned
Planet of the Dead
Aliens of London
Shakespeare Code
Doomsday
The Doctor's Daughter

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Highs:

Casting - RTD was very good at casting generally, with only a very few
slips (Kylie), but my standouts are, roughly in order:

Catherine Tate
Derek Jacobi (Utopia)
Bernard Cribbens
Christopher Eccleston (not one RTD can take credit for - Eccles asked
for the part)
David Tennant
Penelope Wilton as Queen Victoria (Tooth & Claw)
Simon Callow as Charles Dickens (The Unquiet Dead)
Julian Leach as Davros (The Stolen Earth/Journey's End)
John Simm (very badly served by both his stories, but his performances
were very good)

Episodes (a surprising number actually RTD-penned):

Midnight
Human Nature/The Family of Blood
Utopia


The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances

Dalek
Turn Left
Tooth and Claw

Generally:

Making more extensive use of varied historical, present and future
settings than any post-Hartnell era.

Striking a good balance between new and returning monsters, and strong
portrayals of Daleks, Davros, the Master and the Sontarans.

Generating not only very strong ratings and previously unheard-of
critical acclaim for Dr Who, but the Dr Who Prom and the idea of
Christmas specials - compared with what we got as kids, I'm positively
envious of the younger band of the show's 'target audience' these
days.

Lows:

Pretty much only episodes in this category; I agree that RTD's
tendency to go massively over the top got boring, but that's mostly
reflected in my choice of episodes - from worst to, for want of a
better term, not quite so bad:

Fear Her
The Idiot's Lantern
The End of Time Part II
Doomsday
Bad Wolf
42
The Girl in the Fireplace
Boomtown

Phil

pbo...@aol.com

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On 5 Jan, 13:00, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:43:18 +0000, richard develyn
>
> <richard.deve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Highs:
>
> >Bringing the series back.
>
> >Lows:
>
> >Writing the episodes.
>
> I'd've agreed once over - but looking back he's penned some of my
> favourites. To get stories like Utopia/Drums/Time Lords, Midnight/Turn
> Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End, and End of Time, it was worth wading
> through Partners-Aliens-Gridlock-Toothless Claw etc.

And come to that, Aliens wasn't that bad and Partners was good for the
younger kids. I am suddenly reminded of two lows I'd blocked out of my
memory, though (Gridlock and New Earth).

Phil

pbo...@aol.com

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Revising my Lows list:

Fear Her
New Earth


The Idiot's Lantern
The End of Time Part II

Gridlock


Doomsday
Bad Wolf
42
The Girl in the Fireplace
Boomtown

If I were to balance that by adding to the highs, I'd add Blink,
Silence in the Library (but not Forest of the Dead) and Impossible
Planet/Satan Pit, but these all strike me as good stories that fall
outside what I'd consider a classic.

Phil

Ignis Fatuus

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I'm just counting Who. If TW stays out of the series I'll never look
at it again (yes I know... but that's me).


>
>> Honourable Mention for being good for a laugh
>>
>> Barrowman
>>
>> Harriet Jones for services above and beyond the call...
>
>The actress who played her (Penelope Wilton) for Queen Victoria (yes,
>I know you don't like Tooth & Claw - but most people who don't like it
>object to it only for the running joke. I wouldn't call Unquiet Dead a
>high point, but I'd definitely agree that Simon Callow was).
>

It's one of the few stories that has nothing to recommend it in my
view - poor performances, running joke, and a lousy story. Having
said that, it's not a problem because there's so much good stuff to
choose from. RTD's put Who firmly back on the map; and I don't suppose
for a moment that a series which pandered exclusively to my own tastes
would have come close to being in the same league.

Stephen O'Connell

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"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:02:26 -0000, while chained to a desk
> in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
> wrote:
>
>> $Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)
>
> MILF - Mother I'd Like to F***.

Join the queue buddy...


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On 5 Jan, 14:12, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:29:21 -0800 (PST), "pbow...@aol.com"

I have to say I disagree on all counts - well, it had the running
joke, but I actually found it funny (and Victoria's response highly
appropriate). But I rate T&C so highly less because I found it an
outstanding episode, and more because I found it exactly the style of
episode I'd like to see Dr Who do more often - it went a bit far in
the schools programme aspect which perhaps made it a little basic,
even patronising, for the adults, but it was a historical that paid
close attention to presenting historical characters and their context
accurately (almost uniquely in new Who, and pretty much uniquely in
Who outside *some* of the Hartnell historicals). Even the solution,
despite being typical RTD absurdity, both tied into a historical event
and had a loose grounding in science, albeit highly exaggerated for
effect - it really is possible to focus light into a damaging heat ray
using mirrors, and it genuinely is possible to reflect laser beams off
diamond to alter their direction. Just not in quite the way presented
(and certainly not using a diamond cut as a gemstone). And at the same
time it gave the kids a fun romp with a werewolf.

 Having
> said that, it's not a problem because there's so much good stuff to
> choose from. RTD's put Who firmly back on the map; and I don't suppose
> for a moment that a series which pandered exclusively to my own tastes
> would have come close to being in the same league.

All credit to you for that realisation - one of the fairest
assessments of RTD's legacy I've seen here.

Phil

Ignis Fatuus

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Thanks. Just looking at the lists posted here you can see that there's
been something to please everyone - no mean feat - and a legacy of
stories with enduring appeal. We might not all share the same views on
the highs and the lows, but I hope we can all agree that this has been
one of the entertainment landmarks of the decade.

The Doctor

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In article <kpw0n.1$0B...@newsfe13.ams2>, Finn Wilcox <fi...@iname.com> wrote:

>The Doctor wrote:
>
>Scariest Monsters:
>
>1. Sylvia Noble
>2. Abzorbaloff
>3. Vashta Nerada
>4. The Master
>5. Weeping Angels

For me Midnight is scary absurdity.

The Doctor

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In article <hhu42i$aou$1...@news.albasani.net>,

Ryan McCoskrie <ryan.mc...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> Highs:
>>
>> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
>> Blink
>> Boomtown
>> Girl in the Fireplace
>> 42
>> Fires of Pompeii
>> End of Time
>> Turn Right
>> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>
>Some of these episode I'm not exactly keen on but I largely
>agree that this list of episodes had some good ideas.

Tell us where you differ. This is all about the RTD Era.

>
>> Lows:
>>
>
>Rose Tyler[1].
>Constantly talking about the significance of the Doctor.
>Abuse of cheesy computer graphics.
>Constantly wiping out and bringing back the Daleks.
>Wiping out the other Time Lords.
>Gutting the TARDIS.
>Allowing cheesy gags to distract from the serious elements
>of the show.
>Severe over dramatisation of every single plot element.
>
>Hmm, now that I think about it RTD could write lyrics for
>SpinalTap:
>
> "We are the guests who have stayed too long
> We are the end of the endless song
> We send our hearts into the night
> Soaring to heaven
> And will out hearts still beat on
> Or will they Break Like The Wind
> Ooh, Break Like The Wind."
>
>[1] How often does she do something other than either complain
>or sit there looking like a small dog?

RTD's exaggerated finales can join the list.

>--
>Quote of the login:
>One of the most overlooked advantages to computers is... If they do foul up,
>there's no law against whacking them around a little. -- Joe Martin

The Doctor

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In article <8h55k5ltnbeo575lo...@4ax.com>,

Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>Doctor) wrote:
>
>>Highs:
>Eccleston
>Tennant/Noble/Cribbins
>Derek Jacobi (Best Master Ever)
>John Simm
>Simon Callow
>Jackie
>Mickey
>Lynda Wiv a Wy
>

In terms of actors/characters. Love the point of view

>
>Dalek

I will disagreed with you there.

>Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>Girl in the Fireplace

Agreed!

>Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
>Fires of Pompeii
>Midnight/Turn Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End

RTD finale for you.

>The End of Time

Agreed.


>
>Honourable Mention in view of substantial improvements but definately
>Not on the A list
>
>Billie Piper
>
>>Lows:
>
>Barrowman
>
>Aliens of London/WW3
>Tooth and Claw
>Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
>Fear Her

I liked Fear Her after the abominable Love & Monsters.

>Shakespeare Code
>Gridlock
>Human Nature/Family of Blood
>Partners in Crime
>Waters of Mars
>
>
>>
>>Your opinions please.
>>
>>And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.

And I still have not forgetten John Fleming.

The Doctor

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In article <fqt5k51ocouj27927...@4ax.com>,

The Laughing Dalek <fuc...@microsoft.com> wrote:

I am surprised that someone considers this a low.
Agree to disagree.

The Doctor

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In article <3n16k5d43l5vaa9ps...@4ax.com>,

I might disagree with RTD's worldview but he has given us a lot of stuff
to ponder.

>>>
>>>>
>Not Highs:
>
>>>Aliens of London/WW3
>>>Tooth and Claw
>>>Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
>>>Fear Her
>>>Shakespeare Code
>>>Gridlock
>>>Partners in Crime
>>>Waters of Mars
>>>Human Nature/Family of Blood
>>Seriously?!?! IMHO it is one of the very highest points!
>>
>Seriously - but that's just me.
>
>Even the low points have their moments. Perhaps I shouldn't call them
>Lows. I've changed my mind and I'm calling them Not Highs.
>
>Overall It's been a damn fine five years with something for everyone
>and some truly memorable stuff. It's pissed me off in places but what
>doesn't?
>
>10/10 Overall.
>

The Doctor

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In article <qtc6k5ta2e2smb1su...@4ax.com>,

That's your point of view.

The Doctor

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In article <ifd6k55o87dmepaj0...@4ax.com>,

Such as it is.

The Doctor

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In article <acf499c3-8d9d-4b41...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

RTD was a bit egoist.

The Doctor

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In article <e8e3bec5-5fb6-42bf...@f5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 5 Jan, 10:21, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:10:04 +0000, The Laughing Dalek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <fuck...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:57:04 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
>> ><Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>> >>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >>>Highs:
>> >>Eccleston
>> >>Tennant/Noble/Cribbins
>> >>Derek Jacobi (Best Master Ever)
>> >>John Simm
>> >>Simon Callow
>> >>Jackie
>> >>Mickey
>> >>Lynda Wiv a Wy
>>
>> >>Dalek
>> >>Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>> >>Girl in the Fireplace
>> >>Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
>> >>Fires of Pompeii
>> >>Midnight/Turn Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End
>> >>The End of Time
>>
>> >>Honourable Mention =A0in view of substantial improvements but definatel=

>y
>> >>Not on the A list
>>
>> >>Billie Piper
>> >Agreed and Blink
>>
>> Yes, I missed that. It's not one of my high points but it's an
>> excellent story.
>>
>> One reason that Martha didn't get to the A list was she got more than
>> her fair share of mediocre scripts. In hindsight I should add her to
>> the top =A0for the Master trilogy and an excellent performance with some

>> low grade material.
>>
>> Come to think of it, Barrowman wasn't Bad - he just irritated the hell
>> out of me. He was still good for a laugh.
>
>He was great in Empty Child/Doctor Dances - I don't think he was
>either given good scripts or anything significant to do in his later
>appearances, so wouldn't judge him harshly on that. He works quite
>well as a secondary companion - he's not good lead material in his own
>show, but are we counting Torchwood or just Dr Who in this thread?
>
>> Honourable Mention for being good for a laugh
>>
>> Barrowman
>>
>> Harriet Jones for services above and beyond the call...
>
>The actress who played her (Penelope Wilton) for Queen Victoria (yes,
>I know you don't like Tooth & Claw - but most people who don't like it
>object to it only for the running joke. I wouldn't call Unquiet Dead a
>high point, but I'd definitely agree that Simon Callow was).
>
>Phil

List Tooth and Claw as a low. The Queen was thankless against the
Doctor.

The Doctor

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In article <hhvfs4$4jg$2...@news.motzarella.org>,

I have yet to see a Canadian TV debut for Voyage ofthe Damned.

I expect Space to do that.

The Doctor

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In article <a74a4ec6-fdb1-4bdf...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,

Girl in the Fireplace as a low. That is rare.

The Doctor

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In article <7f06cd8c-119b-4f42...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

Gridlock was atrocious!

The Doctor

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In article <9a1a2900-50a7-4086...@f5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

Well any one the DW Fan Web Forums doing this?

The Doctor

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In article <dp45k5psieaijsq71...@4ax.com>,

John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:02:26 -0000, while chained to a desk
>in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
>wrote:
>
>> $Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)
>
>MILF - Mother I'd Like to F***.
>
>--
>
>John Fleming
>Edmonton, Canada
>
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
> And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
> With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
> Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
> Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O

We got the idea and I dragged you into a thread John Fl.

Success!!!!!!

The Doctor

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In article <hhvhgt$e1u$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:
>"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>news:dp45k5psieaijsq71...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:02:26 -0000, while chained to a desk
>> in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)
>>
>> MILF - Mother I'd Like to F***.
>
>Join the queue buddy...
>
>

Let John go first.

idlehands

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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <dp45k5psieaijsq71...@4ax.com>,
> John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:02:26 -0000, while chained to a desk
>> in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)
>>
>> MILF - Mother I'd Like to F***.
>>
>
> We got the idea and I dragged you into a thread John Fl.
>
> Success!!!!!!

Congratulations on remembering that if you keep your goals really small and
really simple you will always feel like a success. Glad to see the lessons
you learned riding the "special" bus are still with you.

(whose we?)


--


The Doctor

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In article <hhvotm$6q8$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Back to yur natural habitat!

Ryan McCoskrie

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <hhu42i$aou$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> Ryan McCoskrie <ryan.mc...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> Highs:
>>>
>>> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
>>> Blink
>>> Boomtown
>>> Girl in the Fireplace
>>> 42
>>> Fires of Pompeii
>>> End of Time
>>> Turn Right
>>> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>>
>>Some of these episode I'm not exactly keen on but I largely
>>agree that this list of episodes had some good ideas.
>
> Tell us where you differ. This is all about the RTD Era.
>

I don't recognise all of these episodes by name (probably because
I couldn't be bothered with last years season, I had programming to
do) but I remember that 'Boomtown' and 'The girl in the fireplace'
where fairly average. I don't mind you disagreeing though, it's a
pure matter of taste.

--
Quote of the login:

Computers can figure out all kinds of problems, except the things in the
world that just don't add up.

The Doctor

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In article <hi04f9$h3c$1...@news.albasani.net>,

Ryan McCoskrie <ryan.mc...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <hhu42i$aou$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>> Ryan McCoskrie <ryan.mc...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Highs:
>>>>
>>>> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
>>>> Blink
>>>> Boomtown
>>>> Girl in the Fireplace
>>>> 42
>>>> Fires of Pompeii
>>>> End of Time
>>>> Turn Right
>>>> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>>>
>>>Some of these episode I'm not exactly keen on but I largely
>>>agree that this list of episodes had some good ideas.
>>
>> Tell us where you differ. This is all about the RTD Era.
>>
>
>I don't recognise all of these episodes by name (probably because
>I couldn't be bothered with last years season, I had programming to
>do) but I remember that 'Boomtown' and 'The girl in the fireplace'
>where fairly average. I don't mind you disagreeing though, it's a
>pure matter of taste.
>

Call it an amicable disagreement.

pbo...@aol.com

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On 5 Jan, 19:40, Ryan McCoskrie <ryan.mccosk...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
> The Doctor wrote:
> > In article <hhu42i$ao...@news.albasani.net>,

> > Ryan McCoskrie  <ryan.mccosk...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>The Doctor wrote:
>
> >>> Highs:
>
> >>> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> >>> Blink
> >>> Boomtown
> >>> Girl in the Fireplace
> >>> 42
> >>> Fires of Pompeii
> >>> End of Time
> >>> Turn Right
> >>> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>
> >>Some of these episode I'm not exactly keen on but I largely
> >>agree that this list of episodes had some good ideas.
>
> > Tell us where you differ.  This is all about the RTD Era.
>
> I don't recognise all of these episodes by name (probably because
> I couldn't be bothered with last years season, I had programming to
> do)

Shame - much to my (and I think a lot of other people's) surprise
given what we knew of the companion at the start of the year, last
year's turned out to be the strongest yet.

Phil

F�achad�ir

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:54:41 -0800 (PST), "pbo...@aol.com"
<pbo...@aol.com> wrote:

>Generally:
>
>Making more extensive use of varied historical, present and future
>settings than any post-Hartnell era.

The one thing I'd like to see are is fewer human-centric stories. Why
not one where the Doctor helps an Ood/Judoon/other alien space ship
crew, instead of always landing on a human ship as in Impossible
Planet/42.
--
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� F�achad�ir

pbo...@aol.com

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On 5 Jan, 22:50, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:54:41 -0800 (PST), "pbow...@aol.com"

>
> <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Generally:
>
> >Making more extensive use of varied historical, present and future
> >settings than any post-Hartnell era.
>
> The one thing I'd like to see are is fewer human-centric stories. Why
> not one where the Doctor helps an Ood/Judoon/other alien space ship
> crew, instead of always landing on a human ship as in  Impossible
> Planet/42.

Planet of the Dead came closer than most - the humans on the bus were
hardly seen, with most of the action on the planet about the Doctor
and Christina working with the Tritovores. It could be done more
readily (and less embarrassingly) than Web Planet these days, so it
might be nice on occasion.

Phil

The Doctor

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In article <b1a76fe5-a017-4925...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:

>On 5 Jan, 22:50, F=E9achad=F3ir <F=E9ach@d.=F3ir> wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:54:41 -0800 (PST), "pbow...@aol.com"
>>
>> <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >Generally:
>>
>> >Making more extensive use of varied historical, present and future
>> >settings than any post-Hartnell era.
>>
>> The one thing I'd like to see are is fewer human-centric stories. Why
>> not one where the Doctor helps an Ood/Judoon/other alien space ship
>> crew, instead of always landing on a human ship as in =A0Impossible

>> Planet/42.
>
>Planet of the Dead came closer than most - the humans on the bus were
>hardly seen, with most of the action on the planet about the Doctor
>and Christina working with the Tritovores. It could be done more
>readily (and less embarrassingly) than Web Planet these days, so it
>might be nice on occasion.
>
>Phil

Well most people on the 200 ended up tense.

John Fleming

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:15:51 -0000, while chained to a desk

in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
wrote:
> $"John Fleming" <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> $news:dp45k5psieaijsq71...@4ax.com...
> $> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 00:02:26 -0000, while chained to a desk
> $> in the scriptorium "Stephen O'Connell" <no....@fk.u.com>
> $> wrote:
> $>
> $>> $Sarah Jane Adventures (MILF!)
> $>
> $> MILF - Mother I'd Like to F***.
> $
> $Join the queue buddy...

That's fair.

Agamemnon

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"The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:hhts74$f9c$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...

> Highs:
>
> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> Blink
> Boomtown
> Girl in the Fireplace
> 42
> Fires of Pompeii
> End of Time
> Turn Right
> Human Nature/Family of Blood

Dalek
TEC/TDD
School Reunion
GITFP
Blink
Utopia
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
The End of Time

>
> Lows:
>

FEAR HER!

Using the programme to encourage kids to become gay.

> Love and monsters
> Dalek
> Midnight
> Waters of MArs


>
>
> Your opinions please.
>
> And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.
>

Preacher

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Jan 6, 2010, 9:29:50 AM1/6/10
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Highs:

Blink (best ep ever IMHO)
Derek Jacobi as the Master
Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of eth Time Lords story arc
Dalek
Empty Child/Doctor Dances
Next
School Reunion
"Are you my mummy" in the Poison Sky


Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead

Turn Left
"Who needs atom clamps! I have a funny robot!"
"I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me
up."


Lows:

Love and Monsters (worst ep ever IMHO)
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
The Doctor-Donna
Partners in Crime
Gridlock
The End of the World
The "Time Lord Victorious" speech

Steve


The Doctor

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In article <hi26p1$sqp$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Preacher <sdean5...@NOSPAMcogeco.ca> wrote:
>Highs:
>
>Blink (best ep ever IMHO)
>Derek Jacobi as the Master
>Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of eth Time Lords story arc
>Dalek
>Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>Next
>School Reunion
>"Are you my mummy" in the Poison Sky
>Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
>Turn Left
>"Who needs atom clamps! I have a funny robot!"
>"I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me
>up."
>
>
>Lows:
>
>Love and Monsters (worst ep ever IMHO)

IT gets th Timelash award.

>Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
>The Doctor-Donna
>Partners in Crime
>Gridlock
>The End of the World
>The "Time Lord Victorious" speech
>
>
>
>Steve
>
>

pbo...@aol.com

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On 6 Jan, 14:29, "Preacher" <sdean53NOS...@NOSPAMcogeco.ca> wrote:
> Highs:
>
> Blink (best ep ever IMHO)
> Derek Jacobi as the Master
> Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of eth Time Lords story arc
> Dalek
> Empty Child/Doctor Dances
> Next
> School Reunion
> "Are you my mummy" in the Poison Sky
> Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
> Turn Left
> "Who needs atom clamps!  I have a funny robot!"
> "I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe.  Look me
> up."

If we're doing quotes, shouldn't we just be doing ones that can be
attributed to RTD? In any event those last two definitely deserve to
be in Lows.

RTD-penned quotes/scenes to treasure:

"I'm the Doctor, by the way. What's your name?" "Rose Tyler" "Pleased
to meet you, Rose Tyler. Run for your life!" (Rose)
The (in)famous "If you're an alien, how come you sound like you're
from the North?" "Lots of planets have a north" (Rose)
"We were just doing our jobs" "And with that sentence you lost the
right to even speak to me" (Parting of the Ways)
"They might not actually be Martians" "Of course not, Martians look
completely different" (The Christmas Invasion)
"Sorry, I'm the Doctor. I'm very clever" (Midnight)
Wilf with the paintball gun and the Dalek responding "My vision is not
impaired" (Journey's End)
The Doctor/Wilf cafe scene (End of Time)

Phil

Mr.Smartypants

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Jan 6, 2010, 2:47:24 PM1/6/10
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On Jan 6, 1:39 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:hhts74$f9c$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>
> > Highs:
>
> > Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> > Blink
> > Boomtown
> > Girl in the Fireplace
> > 42
> > Fires of Pompeii
> > End of Time
> > Turn Right
> > Human Nature/Family of Blood
>
> Dalek
> TEC/TDD
> School Reunion
> GITFP
> Blink
> Utopia
> Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
> The End of Time
>
>
>
> > Lows:
>
> FEAR HER!
>
> Using the programme to encourage kids to become gay.
>


When they should be chasing pussycats, right Aggy?

>
>
> > Love and monsters
> > Dalek
> > Midnight
> > Waters of MArs
>
> > Your opinions please.
>
> > And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.
>
> > --
> > Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
> > doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> > God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist
> > rising!

> >http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
> > Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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On Jan 6, 12:39 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:hhts74$f9c$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>
> > Highs:
>
> > Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> > Blink
> > Boomtown
> > Girl in the Fireplace
> > 42
> > Fires of Pompeii
> > End of Time
> > Turn Right
> > Human Nature/Family of Blood
>
> Dalek
> TEC/TDD
> School Reunion
> GITFP
> Blink
> Utopia
> Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
> The End of Time
>
>
>
> > Lows:
>
> FEAR HER!
>
> Using the programme to encourage kids to become gay.
>
>

Sooner or later somebody had to say something this stupid.

(Hint: Nobody has any idea how to make kids gay, or make them not gay.
There is no evidence that being aware of the existence of gay people
by seeing them on TV will make them gay.)

Diane L.

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Ignis Fatuus wrote:

<snip>
> RTD's put Who firmly back on the map; and I don't suppose
> for a moment that a series which pandered exclusively to my own tastes
> would have come close to being in the same league.

Now *that's* not a view you'll see very often on Usenet. All credit
to you, Iggy.

Diane L.

pbo...@aol.com

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Good old Aggy - we can always rely on him to be that one, whatever the
subject matter.

Phil

pbo...@aol.com

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I think that very nicely sums up the greatest achievement of RTD's era
- 50 years after the classic show started, and 20 after it ended, he
*brought back* Dr Who. Not created a new series called Doctor Who, or
a new series about some wholly different character who happened to be
called the Doctor and travelled around in a blue box - but a series
that, despite not conforming to everything fans of different eras
wanted or expected from a show with that title, recognisably *is* Dr
Who, the genuine article. People moan incessantly about RTD's bad
stories - but at least they moan about them as bad *Dr Who* stories.
If the show fails to meet certain expectations, it's because people
accept it as 'their' Dr Who rather than an impostor cashing in; it
should do such-and-such because that's what Dr Who does, and this is
Dr Who.

Phil

The Doctor

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In article <676c48ff-b0c7-4383...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 6 Jan, 14:29, "Preacher" <sdean53NOS...@NOSPAMcogeco.ca> wrote:
>> Highs:
>>
>> Blink (best ep ever IMHO)
>> Derek Jacobi as the Master
>> Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of eth Time Lords story arc
>> Dalek
>> Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>> Next
>> School Reunion
>> "Are you my mummy" in the Poison Sky
>> Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
>> Turn Left
>> "Who needs atom clamps! =A0I have a funny robot!"
>> "I'm the Doctor and you're in the biggest library in the universe. =A0Loo=

>k me
>> up."
>
>If we're doing quotes, shouldn't we just be doing ones that can be
>attributed to RTD? In any event those last two definitely deserve to
>be in Lows.
>
>RTD-penned quotes/scenes to treasure:
>
>"I'm the Doctor, by the way. What's your name?" "Rose Tyler" "Pleased
>to meet you, Rose Tyler. Run for your life!" (Rose)
>The (in)famous "If you're an alien, how come you sound like you're
>from the North?" "Lots of planets have a north" (Rose)
>"We were just doing our jobs" "And with that sentence you lost the
>right to even speak to me" (Parting of the Ways)
>"They might not actually be Martians" "Of course not, Martians look
>completely different" (The Christmas Invasion)
>"Sorry, I'm the Doctor. I'm very clever" (Midnight)
>Wilf with the paintball gun and the Dalek responding "My vision is not
>impaired" (Journey's End)
>The Doctor/Wilf cafe scene (End of Time)
>
>Phil

Anything does remeniscing about the RTD Era.


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The Doctor

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In article <9ba21d32-9ab5-4724...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Mr.Smartypants <bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:

TRolls chronic liar MSP.

>
>
>>
>>
>> > Love and monsters
>> > Dalek
>> > Midnight
>> > Waters of MArs
>>
>> > Your opinions please.
>>
>> > And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.
>>
>> > --
>> > Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici
>> > doc...@nl2k.ab.ca

>> > God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChri=


>st
>> > rising!
>> >http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
>> > Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>


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Jan 6, 2010, 5:00:15 PM1/6/10
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In article <456c5431-25d1-4229...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Anlatt the Builder <tir...@aol.com> wrote:

Oh great.

The Doctor

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In article <7qkb5i...@mid.individual.net>,

10/10 .

The Doctor

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In article <a12e6930-ef12-4759...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,

pbo...@aol.com <pbo...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 6 Jan, 20:05, Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@aol.com> wrote:

At least you are neither Sailsbury or smith.

The Doctor

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In article <447fed0a-1be3-473a...@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

2013 Nov 23 will be a BIG day.

Loaf of Bread

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On Jan 6, 3:01 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

[snip]

You aren't sexy either.

Stephen O'Connell

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<pbo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 6 Jan, 20:46, "Diane L." <dianen...@lindquist.plus.com> wrote:
>> Ignis Fatuus wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > RTD's put Who firmly back on the map; and I don't suppose
>> > for a moment that a series which pandered exclusively to my own tastes
>> > would have come close to being in the same league.
>>
>> Now *that's* not a view you'll see very often on Usenet. All credit
>> to you, Iggy.
>
> I think that very nicely sums up the greatest achievement of RTD's era
> - 50 years after the classic show started, and 20 after it ended, he
> *brought back* Dr Who. Not created a new series called Doctor Who, or
> a new series about some wholly different character who happened to be
> called the Doctor and travelled around in a blue box - but a series
> that, despite not conforming to everything fans of different eras
> wanted or expected from a show with that title, recognisably *is* Dr
> Who, the genuine article. People moan incessantly about RTD's bad
> stories - but at least they moan about them as bad *Dr Who* stories.

Back in the days of Dr Who fanzines, people used to always moan about the
quality of the JNT-era stories, myself included. However I think on the whole
RTD has served up a more exciting and watchable range of Doctor Who stories than
what we had in the old days. So nobody's perfect, but Doctor Who is back on the
TV and doing very well indeed. So we can be very thankful for RTD's
contribution. The words Tardis and Dalek are back in the vocabulary of the
youngsters of today, and that for me is bloody brilliant!


The Doctor

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In article <hi36ef$jtt$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Stephen O'Connell <no....@fk.u.com> wrote:

Don't forget Cybermen and Sontaran.

We now need ICe Warriors and Yeti/Great intelligence.

Ignis Fatuus

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Thanks; but it's really Thanks to Russell T Davies. I've been
outspoken in criticising him so I think it's only right to say that
his 'interpretation' has genuinely connected me with My Doctor; and I
think it's fair to say (from reading this forum) that he's done this
for many others - although we'll never agree on the relative merits of
those Doctors.

I look at the DVD shelf and I know that even the stories that have
pissed me off the most are worth revisiting as part of a mightily
impressive body of work that has almost miraculously managed to appeal
to a multitude of different tastes. In spite of the way he's pissed me
off with some of his material, there are now a substantial number of
his own stories at the top of my favourites list. Looking at other
contributions to the highs and lows thread I can see that the series
has appealed to different tastes in different ways. Isn't that a
wonderful achievement?

Ignis Fatuus

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It's good to see that we're in complete agreement there - even if we
continue to fall out over the merits of individual stories.

The Doctor

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In article <drcak5ta47f2usrj4...@4ax.com>,

Very consilitory.

The Doctor

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In article <hrdak5d7nk8i5dpvn...@4ax.com>,

I love starting interesting threads.

Ignis Fatuus

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Well said. We can disagree over the detail, but there's no doubt about
the broad appeal of the new series as a continuation of the old story.

Agamemnon

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"Anlatt the Builder" <tir...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:456c5431-25d1-4229...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

Wrong. If that was the case and it had no effect then kids would be allowed
to watch adult movies, which the clearly are not.

PV

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Bzzzzzt, thanks for playing and pickup your lovely parting gifts on the way
out.

Kids are prevented in Western society from watching adult films due to the
ongoing Puritan objection to the human body and sex. In fact movie censors
tend to allow huge amounts of foul language and violence in a film without
slapping an R rating on the movie, but if one breast is shown and bingo,
it's an adult film.

It is impossible to "make" a person gay or hetro anymore then they can be
forced to be right or left handed.


--
PV

Puritanism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.
H.L. Mencken


Anlatt the Builder

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On Jan 6, 8:58 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "Anlatt the Builder" <tirh...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:456c5431-25d1-4229...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> to watch adult movies, which the clearly are not.-

So you can demonstrate the effect somehow? Or people just
instinctively know that pornography is bad for kids, and THEREFORE gay
characters will make kids gay...?!!?!

WTF? You're making no sense at all.

Nobody's talking about letting kids watch adult sexual movies, gay or
straight. I was talking about gay characters, doing roughly the same
sorts of things that straight characters do (fight aliens, fall in
love, kiss, travel through time, eat lunch). Knowing that gay people
exist - in the real world OR as TV characters - doesn't make anybody
gay.

pbo...@aol.com

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On 7 Jan, 04:58, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "Anlatt the Builder" <tirh...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:456c5431-25d1-4229...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

Aggy, most adult movies are about heterosexuals, and kids aren't
allowed to watch those either. Is that because parents are scared
they'll turn straight?

Phil

The Doctor

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In article <p5eak51uba0jhh4lp...@4ax.com>,

100% I thank we have it!

The Doctor

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In article <9979b54d-133c-4a47...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

Can we get back on topic before this turns into a flame thread?

Jerry Brown

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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:31:25 -0000, "Stephen O'Connell"
<no....@fk.u.com> wrote:

Agreed, and I further propose that RTD's eventual epitaph should be
"He was better than JNT".

Jerry Brown
--
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

<http://www.jwbrown.co.uk>

Mr.Smartypants

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On Jan 7, 6:08 am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <9979b54d-133c-4a47-82f4-46cf3db45...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

It would be easier for you to just f*** off because your tender
sensibilities will suffer from reading all this talk about
sex...........especially when Aggy gets going on about his pussycats.

peachyashiepassion

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Ignis Fatuus wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:10:04 +0000, The Laughing Dalek
> <fuc...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:57:04 +0000, Ignis Fatuus
>> <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>>> Doctor) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Highs:
>>> Eccleston
>>> Tennant/Noble/Cribbins
>>> Derek Jacobi (Best Master Ever)
>>> John Simm
>>> Simon Callow
>>> Jackie
>>> Mickey
>>> Lynda Wiv a Wy
>>>
>>>
>>> Dalek
>>> Empty Child/Doctor Dances
>>> Girl in the Fireplace
>>> Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
>>> Fires of Pompeii
>>> Midnight/Turn Left/Stolen Earth/Journey's End
>>> The End of Time
>>>
>>> Honourable Mention in view of substantial improvements but definately
>>> Not on the A list
>>>
>>> Billie Piper
>> Agreed and Blink
> Yes, I missed that. It's not one of my high points but it's an
> excellent story.
>
>
> One reason that Martha didn't get to the A list was she got more than
> her fair share of mediocre scripts. In hindsight I should add her to
> the top for the Master trilogy and an excellent performance with some
> low grade material.
>
> Come to think of it, Barrowman wasn't Bad - he just irritated the hell
> out of me. He was still good for a laugh.
>
> Honourable Mention for being good for a laugh
>
> Barrowman
>
> Harriet Jones for services above and beyond the call...
>
> Not Highs:
>
>>> Aliens of London/WW3
>>> Tooth and Claw
>>> Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
>>> Fear Her
>>> Shakespeare Code
>>> Gridlock
>>> Partners in Crime
>>> Waters of Mars
>>> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>> Seriously?!?! IMHO it is one of the very highest points!
>>
> Seriously - but that's just me.
>
> Even the low points have their moments. Perhaps I shouldn't call them
> Lows. I've changed my mind and I'm calling them Not Highs.
>
> Overall It's been a damn fine five years with something for everyone
> and some truly memorable stuff. It's pissed me off in places but what
> doesn't?
>


Nicely said.

The Doctor

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In article <7976d6d7-251e-45c7...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Mr.Smartypants <bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:
>On Jan 7, 6:08=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <9979b54d-133c-4a47-82f4-46cf3db45...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups=

>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> pbow...@aol.com <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >On 7 Jan, 04:58, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> >> "Anlatt the Builder" <tirh...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:456c5431-2=
>5d1-4229-b7bb...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Wrong. If that was the case and it had no effect then kids would be al=

>lowed
>> >> to watch adult movies, which the clearly are not.
>>
>> >Aggy, most adult movies are about heterosexuals, and kids aren't
>> >allowed to watch those either. Is that because parents are scared
>> >they'll turn straight?
>>
>> >Phil
>>
>> Can we get back on topic before this turns into a flame thread?
>> --
>
>It would be easier for you to just f*** off because your tender
>sensibilities will suffer from reading all this talk about
>sex...........especially when Aggy gets going on about his pussycats.
>

Said chronic liar Ron Hamilton.

The Doctor

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In article <hi5ns...@news3.newsguy.com>,

Nice to see a fun thread of it.

John Fleming

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:14:59 -0800 (PST), while chained to a
desk in the scriptorium "Mr.Smartypants"
<bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:
> $On Jan 7, 6:08�am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> $> In article <9979b54d-133c-4a47-82f4-46cf3db45...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> $> pbow...@aol.com <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
> $> >On 7 Jan, 04:58, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> $> >> "Anlatt the Builder" <tirh...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:456c5431-25d1-4229...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> $> >> On Jan 6, 12:39 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> $>
> $> >> > "The Doctor" <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
> $>
> $> >> >news:hhts74$f9c$1...@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> $>
> $> >> > > Highs:
> $>
> $> >> > > Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> $> >> > > Blink
> $> >> > > Boomtown
> $> >> > > Girl in the Fireplace
> $> >> > > 42
> $> >> > > Fires of Pompeii
> $> >> > > End of Time
> $> >> > > Turn Right
> $> >> > > Human Nature/Family of Blood
> $>
> $> >> > Dalek
> $> >> > TEC/TDD
> $> >> > School Reunion
> $> >> > GITFP
> $> >> > Blink
> $> >> > Utopia
> $> >> > Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
> $> >> > The End of Time
> $>
> $> >> > > Lows:
> $>
> $> >> > FEAR HER!
> $>
> $> >> > Using the programme to encourage kids to become gay.
> $>
> $> >> <<<Sooner or later somebody had to say something this stupid.
> $>
> $> >> (Hint: Nobody has any idea how to make kids gay, or make them not gay.
> $> >> There is no evidence that being aware of the existence of gay people
> $> >> by seeing them on TV will make them gay.)>>>
> $>
> $> >> Wrong. If that was the case and it had no effect then kids would be allowed
> $> >> to watch adult movies, which the clearly are not.
> $>
> $> >Aggy, most adult movies are about heterosexuals, and kids aren't
> $> >allowed to watch those either. Is that because parents are scared
> $> >they'll turn straight?
> $>
> $> >Phil
> $>
> $> Can we get back on topic before this turns into a flame thread?
> $> --
> $
> $It would be easier for you to just f*** off because your tender
> $sensibilities will suffer from reading all this talk about
> $sex...........especially when Aggy gets going on about his pussycats.

Bestiality's best boys
Bestiality's best
Bestiality's best boys
Beastiality's best.

Put your log in a dog boys
Put your log in a dog
Put your log in a dog boys
Put your log in a dog

Altogether now

Bestiality's best boys . . .

--

John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada

Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O

PV

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LOL....

The Doctor

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Sick nutters!

Mr.Smartypants

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On Jan 8, 8:32 am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <tnbdk591c5nu4b83dsu1ghhat1eg0fu...@4ax.com>,

> John Fleming  <nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:14:59 -0800 (PST), while chained to a
> >desk in the scriptorium "Mr.Smartypants"


You never say that about Aggy.

The Doctor

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In article <3897af73-b491-49a5...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Mr.Smartypants <bc...@canada.com> wrote:

>On Jan 8, 8:32=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <tnbdk591c5nu4b83dsu1ghhat1eg0fu...@4ax.com>,
>> John Fleming =A0<nos...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:14:59 -0800 (PST), while chained to a
>> >desk in the scriptorium "Mr.Smartypants"
>> ><bunghole-jon...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> >> $On Jan 7, 6:08=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> $> In article <9979b54d-133c-4a47-82f4-46cf3db45...@j24g2000yqa.google=

>groups.com>,
>> >> $> pbow...@aol.com <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> $> >On 7 Jan, 04:58, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> >> $> >> "Anlatt the Builder" <tirh...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:456c=
>5431-25d1-4229-b...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> $> >> On Jan 6, 12:39 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wro=
>> >> $> >> (Hint: Nobody has any idea how to make kids gay, or make them no=
>t gay.
>> >> $> >> There is no evidence that being aware of the existence of gay pe=

>ople
>> >> $> >> by seeing them on TV will make them gay.)>>>
>> >> $>
>> >> $> >> Wrong. If that was the case and it had no effect then kids would=
>> > =A0 =A0 Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O
>> > =A0 =A0 And on that farm he had a genome E-I-E-I-O
>> > =A0 =A0 With a SNP SNP here and a SNP SNP there,
>> > =A0 =A0 Here a SNP, there a SNP, everywhere a SNP SNP
>> > =A0 =A0 Old MacDonald had a farm E-I-E-I-O

>>
>> Sick nutters!
>> --
>
>
>You never say that about Aggy.

I was talking about loon Mr.SmartyPAnts the SmarmyPAnts!

TheSpleenof Morbius

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High lows and low highs

The Doctor

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In article <13293-4B4...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
TheSpleenof Morbius <Gub...@webtv.net> wrote:
>High lows and low highs
>

Please elaborate.

sadako

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On 4 Jan, 23:05, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> Highs:
>
> Empty Child/The Doctor Damnces
> Blink
> Boomtown
> Girl in the Fireplace
> 42
> Fires of Pompeii
> End of Time
> Turn Right
> Human Nature/Family of Blood
>
> Lows:
>
> Love and monsters
> Dalek
> Midnight
> Waters of MArs
>
> Your opinions please.
>
> And I have not forgotten JOhn Fleming.

>
> --
> Member - Liberal International  This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630

> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK

What's Dalek doing in your lows list, you freak of nature?

You're not fit to speak ill of that brilliant episode you lowlife!

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sadako

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On 10 Jan, 01:43, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <13293-4B492EC0-1...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,

>
> TheSpleenof Morbius <Gub...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >High lows and low highs
>
> Please elaborate.
> --
> Member - Liberal International  This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630

> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK

He means fuck off this group you troll vermin (he's just too polite to
say it)

The Doctor

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In article <c89cc94e-253b-4e36...@l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

sadako <tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On 10 Jan, 01:43, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <13293-4B492EC0-1...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
>>
>> TheSpleenof Morbius <Gub...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >High lows and low highs
>>
>> Please elaborate.
>> --
>> Member - Liberal International =A0This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl=
>2k.ab.ca
>> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist=

> rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
>> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK
>
>He means foff this group you troll vermin (he's just too polite to
>say it)

TRolls lying psychotic stalking troll Tom80s the SADako!


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sadako

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On 23 Jan, 14:02, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> In article <c89cc94e-253b-4e36-8cda-eb07f125e...@l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

>
>
>
>
>
> sadako  <tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >On 10 Jan, 01:43, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >> In article <13293-4B492EC0-1...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
>
> >> TheSpleenof Morbius <Gub...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >> >High lows and low highs
>
> >> Please elaborate.
> >> --
> >> Member - Liberal International =A0This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl=
> >2k.ab.ca
> >> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist=
> > rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
> >> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK
>
> >He means foff this group you troll vermin (he's just too polite to
> >say it)
>
> TRolls lying psychotic stalking troll Tom80s the SADako!
> --
> Member - Liberal International  This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No it's not a lie when everyone on this fucking newsgroup wants you to
fuck off and stop bothering us with your creepy trolling gibberish.

Vermin like you really are irredemable, and you still haven't
justified having the sacreligious audacity of ranking a masterpiece
like Dalek with shite like Love and Monsters. You JNT-apologist troll
vermin have no respect for art or decency.

The Doctor

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In article <942a4b12-8b9e-4164...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

sadako <tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On 23 Jan, 14:02, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <c89cc94e-253b-4e36-8cda-eb07f125e...@l19g2000yqb.googlegroups=
>.com>,

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sadako =A0<tom...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On 10 Jan, 01:43, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> In article <13293-4B492EC0-1...@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net>,
>>
>> >> TheSpleenof Morbius <Gub...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >> >High lows and low highs
>>
>> >> Please elaborate.
>> >> --
>> >> Member - Liberal International =3DA0This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc.=
>..@nl=3D
>> >2k.ab.ca
>> >> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChr=
>ist=3D

>> > rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
>> >> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK
>>
>> >He means foff this group you troll vermin (he's just too polite to
>> >say it)
>>
>> TRolls lying psychotic stalking troll Tom80s the SADako!
>> --
>> Member - Liberal International =A0This is doc...@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doc...@nl=
>2k.ab.ca
>> God, Queen and country! Never Satan President Republic! Beware AntiChrist=
> rising!http://twitter.com/rootnl2khttp://www.myspace.com/502748630
>> Born 29 Jan 1969 Redhill,Surrey,England UK- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>No it's not a lie when everyone on this newsgroup wants you to
>f off and stop bothering us with your creepy trolling gibberish.

>
>Vermin like you really are irredemable, and you still haven't
>justified having the sacreligious audacity of ranking a masterpiece
>like Dalek with shite like Love and Monsters. You JNT-apologist troll
>vermin have no respect for art or decency.

Troll lying crack-addicted troll Tom80sthe SADako.


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