Best and worst of New Who?
The Wordsmith
certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
(and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
Strongest:
Girl in the Fireplace - I think this episode perfectly embodies New Who -
the fast pace, serious plot embellished with historical fact and the
doctor's humour. One weakness was the clockwork robots, who just didn't
seem that menacing, especially without their masks. I loved the way the
Doctor was so willing to sacrifice himself for another, and the
historical context actually made me want to read up on Madame de
Pompadour, who is really a fascinating figure in French history.
Blink - This one was just scary. The Weeping Angels were a fantastic
creation of Moffett's, and I found myself fascinated by them. The episode
had plenty of hide-behind-the-couch moments. One thing I didn't like was
the way the camera kept cutting to the victim's eyes; I think this got
old quickly. Nonetheless, one of the strongest in Series 3. It was a
brilliant implementation of a story that doesn't actually feature the
Doctor very heavily, as opposed to Love & Monsters, below.
Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead - This two-parter was one of
the best of the revived series. It plays off a fear that many (if not
most) people have of the dark. The idea that any shadow could contain the
creatures creeped me out; I slept with the light on that night. The focus
on the artificial world was great to break up the story. Else, running
around a dark library trying not to be eaten would get old fast.
Weakest:
Love & Monsters - The premise of the episode (i.e. that the Doctor gets
noticed, and people form a fan club of sorts) is sound, but after that it
all goes pear-shaped. An Abzorbaloff using a bunch of misfits to lure the
Doctor so he can eat him? About as lame as it gets. Of course, they don't
notice that group members keep disappearing after the group is hijacked
by the monster.
Fear Her - There's really not much to say. The episode has a few good
moments, a bit of witty banter here and there, but overall its a very
weak offering.
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks - Ugh, this one is painful to
watch. Daleks manipulating humans with genetic experiments? human/pig
mutant slaves? Lightning strikes and dalekanium and human/Dalek hybrids?
Oh, and the way the Doc figured out who it was is by turning a radio into
some sort of scanner, and using it on a green jellyfish. The jellyfish
looked sort of like a baby Rutan (cf. Horror of Fang Rock), which
actually might have been a more interesting story now that I think of it.
The Lazarus Experiment - I'm convinced this one just existed to set up
the Laser Screwdriver for the penultimate episode. An old man tries to
make himself young again, but actually turns himself into a giant spider-
looking thing. Thing then proceeds to kill and destroy, before the Doctor
finishes it off. *yawn* I'm also not a fan of featuring Martha's family
so heavily in this one. With that amount of involvement, one could have
easily substituted Mickey and Jackie Tyler. I don't think it played off
of Martha's talents at all. At this point in the season, her character is
supposed to be more independent from her family.
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AlanSailsbury
> Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead - This two-parter was one of
> the best of the revived series. It plays off a fear that many (if not
> most) people have of the dark. The idea that any shadow could contain the
> creatures creeped me out; I slept with the light on that night.
Hmm. I always get a bit concerned when otherwise-rational and
intelligent human beings suddenly display they can't separate fact
from fiction. I can understand a surprise moment in a tv show/movie
making someone jump, purely because it's unexpected, but to carry a
fear with you hours after seeing it.... I find it a bit odd.
>
> Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks - Ugh, this one is painful to
> watch. Daleks manipulating humans with genetic experiments? human/pig
> mutant slaves? Lightning strikes and dalekanium and human/Dalek hybrids?
> Oh, and the way the Doc figured out who it was is by turning a radio into
> some sort of scanner, and using it on a green jellyfish. The jellyfish
> looked sort of like a baby Rutan (cf. Horror of Fang Rock), which
> actually might have been a more interesting story now that I think of it.
>
I agree with all your other findings Anthony but I did like Daleks in
Manhattan, mainly because it WAS so bonkers. I wouldn't put it up
there with my favourite Dalek stories but at least it did something
different with them.
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>> Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks - Ugh, this one is painful to
>> watch.
>
> Manhattan, mainly because it WAS so bonkers.
I first watched it after coming home from seeing a loud rock band, so I
was half deaf and half-cut. I remember grinning like an idiot. After
buying the DVDs, I watched it with my full attention, and it no longer
had that magic.
> I wouldn't put it up
> there with my favourite Dalek stories but at least it did something
> different with them.
I liked that it ended with the Doctor noting that there's always one
that escapes, and they then didn't show up again till right at the end
of the *next* season - their longest absence since the new series
started. Unlike the three times before, when we're told that the last
of them has just been wiped out, and they turn up again a few episodes
later.
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Blink and Boomtown
WORST:
Love and Monsters.
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Midnight was one of my favorites. Proves that you don't need a million
things happening and explosions and robots to have a good story.
For all of its problems, I really enjoyed Dalek. Ecclestone is at his
condescending sneery best in that one.
I also really liked Turn Left. Over the course of the season I went
from hating Donna to her being one of my favorite companions of all
time. She showed more emotional range and psychological complexity
than nearly any other character in the history of the show, including
IMO a few of the Doctors. Except for most of the Rose scenes, I really
enjoyed this one.
I agree with Féachadóir about Love and Monsters. Not a great story,
but it was a good time. I don't see why it's so universally hated,
they were just trying to do something different, and while it wasn't a
smashing success I thought it was entertaining as a side story.
One that fits in both categories for me is the two parter Daleks in
Manhattan. The first episode has a great buildup, one of the greatest
lines ever delivered by a Dalek "You think like a Dalek," and it's a
period piece. The second episode has an obligatory Death of a Black
Guy, shitty frankenscience, multiple boring expositions from Tennant
and FUCKING PIG PEOPLE.
My hate list definitely has Fear Her at or near the top. It's a real
shame, too. I thought the premise was great, but the episode
highlighted many of Tennant and Piper's weaknesses. They just stand
around gasping and running back and forth for a half hour and then
stumble on the answer.
Another one I hated was (I think the name was) New Earth. The skin
lady and the ambisexual gimp are in the basement of the hospital, and
the highlight is Rose staring at her nonexistent ass in the mirror for
a half minute. That was a poor choice to introduce Tennant. It took me
weeks to give the show another shot after that one (glad I did,
though). Actually, all of the season openers were throwaways for me,
but this one was the big offender.
All three of the historical "Meet the Authors" episodes were
throwaways IMO. The one with Dickens had Eve Myles, so at least there
was eye candy (although I wish I could say the same for Torchwood, I
can't make it through an episode without fast forwarding at least
once). The Shakespeare one had a couple funny lines, but was mostly
garbage. Christie's episode was for me the best premise, but delivered
the least of the three.
As much as I hate to say it, the final S3 Master episode (although
mostly good) doesn't have much replay value for me because of the
little troll Doctor in the birdcage. Each of those three episodes have
a really strong performance that carries the entire show. Jacobi in
the first episode, Simm in the second and Agyeman in the third are all
great. Every time that little cg troll thing comes on screen it makes
me cringe, though.
AlanSailsbury
> BEST:
>
> Blink and Boomtown
>
Each to their own, but WHY do you like Boomtown so much? It was bloody
AWFUL IMHO.
> WORST:
>
> Love and Monsters.
> --
I liked Love & Monsters because it showed what misfits some Who fans
can be. I can see why you wouldn't like that.
pbo...@aol.com
> certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
> from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
> (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
> thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
> Strongest:
> Girl in the Fireplace - I think this episode perfectly embodies New Who -
> the fast pace, serious plot embellished with historical fact and the
> doctor's humour.
Strange, I found it more reminiscent of old Who - glaring plot
inconsistencies for the sake of tension that doesn't quite work,
stilted dialogue, personality-devoid central characters and a liberal
dose of historical inaccuracy...
Despite all of which, I didn't much like it.
One weakness was the clockwork robots, who just didn't
> seem that menacing, especially without their masks. I loved the way the
> Doctor was so willing to sacrifice himself for another, and the
> historical context actually made me want to read up on Madame de
> Pompadour, who is really a fascinating figure in French history.
And the moment you open a book, or even a Wikipedia page, on her,
you're astonished at how basic some of Moffatt's errors were...
> Blink - This one was just scary. The Weeping Angels were a fantastic
> creation of Moffett's, and I found myself fascinated by them. The episode
> had plenty of hide-behind-the-couch moments. One thing I didn't like was
> the way the camera kept cutting to the victim's eyes; I think this got
> old quickly. Nonetheless, one of the strongest in Series 3.
Sadly, it was in the same season as Human Nature and swiftly followed
by Utopia - Blink was a good effort, and I like it more every time I
rewatch it, but for me at least it just got overshadowed. The "why
didn't the Doctor just ring Sally with Martha's timephone?" plothole
was so fundamental (the story wouldn't have worked at all if Moffatt
had remembered the phone) that I was intensely irritated by Blink on
first viewing - yes, we can explain it as being the one instance that,
by sheer bad luck, Martha left the phone behind, but it's not
satisfactory and ought at the very least have been explained away in
the script.
It was a
> brilliant implementation of a story that doesn't actually feature the
> Doctor very heavily, as opposed to Love & Monsters, below.
L&M was fun. Blink told its story better, but L&M was fine when judged
solely on the basis of how well it implemented the Doctor-lite aspect
- the people who don't like it wouldn't have liked it much if Tennant
had a bigger part, I suspect, so being Doctor-lite wasn't its failing.
> Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead - This two-parter was one of
> the best of the revived series.
Indeed. I can only think of about half a dozen better ones so far...
It plays off a fear that many (if not
> most) people have of the dark.
I used to have a fear of the dark as a kid; I found that such a
potentially potent concept was exploited rather badly, as the idea of
a sinister shadow swarm living in the dark ought to be scary. Being
chased by a joke shop skeleton in a spacesuit is not, however. I found
that the only time the Vashna Nerada were used effectively was with
the reaction of the girl who was eaten in part two (the one who spent
most of the time with her visor darkened). I liked the story, but
mostly for River Song and the part one mystery element. Mostly it fell
down because of the complete discontinuity between part 1 and part 2 -
a two-part story telling two different stories doesn't really work.
> Weakest:
> Love & Monsters - The premise of the episode (i.e. that the Doctor gets
> noticed, and people form a fan club of sorts) is sound, but after that it
> all goes pear-shaped. An Abzorbaloff using a bunch of misfits to lure the
> Doctor so he can eat him? About as lame as it gets. Of course, they don't
> notice that group members keep disappearing after the group is hijacked
> by the monster.
Well, they did, actually... They asked him about it with every
meeting. Yep, the Absorbaloff's motive was absurd, but the story
treated it with all the lack of seriousness it deserved! Who villains
never almost have sensible motives, after all. There's much worse than
L&M in New Who, whether or not you like the episode.
> Fear Her - There's really not much to say. The episode has a few good
> moments,
It does?
a bit of witty banter here and there, but overall its a very
> weak offering.
That's something of an understatement. I can't remember having seen a
Who episode of any era that's as excruiating or plain embarrassing to
watch - and I've seen Delta and the Bannerman.
> Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks - Ugh, this one is painful to
> watch. Daleks manipulating humans with genetic experiments? human/pig
> mutant slaves?
These were very promising parts of the story, actually - Daleks as mad
scientists. It was an old-school Davros episode with no Davros. This
story was salvaged by its very nostalgic feel. Part one was a pretty
strong episode by itself; part two was just very, very weak.
Lightning strikes and dalekanium and human/Dalek hybrids?
All weak, but dalekanium dates back to Hartnell - it wasn't until
Dalek that Dalek 'skin' was renamed polycarbide, IIRC.
> Oh, and the way the Doc figured out who it was is by turning a radio into
> some sort of scanner, and using it on a green jellyfish.
He created a DNA scanner and identified the DNA as being from Skaro -
it makes sense in a universe where aliens work on DNA. The only tricky
bit is making a DNA scanner from a radio, but there's been worse. The
resolution to the story, for a start.
> The Lazarus Experiment - I'm convinced this one just existed to set up
> the Laser Screwdriver for the penultimate episode. An old man tries to
> make himself young again, but actually turns himself into a giant spider-
> looking thing. Thing then proceeds to kill and destroy, before the Doctor
> finishes it off. *yawn* I'm also not a fan of featuring Martha's family
> so heavily in this one. With that amount of involvement, one could have
> easily substituted Mickey and Jackie Tyler. I don't think it played off
> of Martha's talents at all. At this point in the season, her character is
> supposed to be more independent from her family.
A weak episode, certainly, but it was season 3 - and season 3 had 42,
the only episode of new Who I've struggled to even stay awake
watching. As second worst of the season, Lazarus Experiment isn't
close to the bottom of the new Who heap.
Don't have time to go into analysis right now (well, I do, but only if
I'm analysing elephant skulls, not Dr Who episodes), but my best/
worst:
Best (best to worst):
Midnight
Human Nature/Family of Blood
Third is a tie between Utopia, Dalek, Empty Child/Doctor Dances and
Turn Left.
Worst (best to worst):
42
The Idiot's Lantern
Fear Her
Phil
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> My hate list definitely has Fear Her at or near the top. It's a real
> shame, too. I thought the premise was great,
I thought the premise was crap. Then I saw the SJA story Mad Woman in
the Attic, and now I'm convinced - Fear Her's premise *can* be done
well.
but the episode
> highlighted many of Tennant and Piper's weaknesses.
Well, that and the dreadful storytelling, appalling script and the
whole children's drawings idea.
> Another one I hated was (I think the name was) New Earth. The skin
> lady and the ambisexual gimp are in the basement of the hospital, and
> the highlight is Rose staring at her nonexistent ass in the mirror for
> a half minute. That was a poor choice to introduce Tennant. It took me
> weeks to give the show another shot after that one (glad I did,
> though).
He was introduced in Christmas Invasion... But yes, Tennant's Frankie
Howerd scene in New Earth is probably the single most excruciating
moment in new Who outside Fear Her.
Actually, all of the season openers were throwaways for me,
> but this one was the big offender.
Smith & Jones was fairly strong.
> All three of the historical "Meet the Authors" episodes were
> throwaways IMO.
None were terribly good, but the last one was well-realised given the
limitations on its plot forced by trying to pastiche badly-written
murder mysteries (all the plot holes people point out, for instance,
are a standard of Agatha Christie's own stories), and Dickens was well-
played in the first. Shakespeare Code has effectively no redeeming
features, however.
Phil
The Doctor
=?utf-8?Q?F=C3=A9achad=C3=B3ir?= <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote:
>Scr=C3=ADobh AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk>:
>>On Nov 2, 3:24=C2=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>> BEST:
>>>
>>> Blink and Boomtown
>>>
>>
>>Each to their own, but WHY do you like Boomtown so much? It was bloody
>>AWFUL IMHO.
>
>
>
It was amusing.
>>> WORST:
>>>
>>> Love and Monsters.
>>> --
>>
>>I liked Love & Monsters because it showed what misfits some Who fans
>>can be. I can see why you wouldn't like that.
>
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john smith
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On Nov 2, 4:27 pm, number six <mister.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My hate list definitely has Fear Her at or near the top. It's a real
> shame, too. I thought the premise was great,
***"Paperhouse" did it far more effectively twenty years ago:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098061/***
I thought the premise was crap. Then I saw the SJA story Mad Woman in
the Attic, and now I'm convinced - Fear Her's premise *can* be done
well.
but the episode
> highlighted many of Tennant and Piper's weaknesses.
Well, that and the dreadful storytelling, appalling script and the
whole children's drawings idea.
> Another one I hated was (I think the name was) New Earth. The skin
> lady and the ambisexual gimp are in the basement of the hospital, and
> the highlight is Rose staring at her nonexistent ass in the mirror for
> a half minute. That was a poor choice to introduce Tennant. It took me
> weeks to give the show another shot after that one (glad I did,
> though).
He was introduced in Christmas Invasion... But yes, Tennant's Frankie
Howerd scene in New Earth is probably the single most excruciating
moment in new Who outside Fear Her.
Actually, all of the season openers were throwaways for me,
> but this one was the big offender.
Smith & Jones was fairly strong.
***I liked it too! I thought the Adipose were great little alien critters!
Whatever happened to the cuddly toy merchandise? That seemed like such a
no-brainer...***
> All three of the historical "Meet the Authors" episodes were
> throwaways IMO.
None were terribly good, but the last one was well-realised given the
limitations on its plot forced by trying to pastiche badly-written
murder mysteries (all the plot holes people point out, for instance,
are a standard of Agatha Christie's own stories), and Dickens was well-
played in the first. Shakespeare Code has effectively no redeeming
features, however.
***I agree. Utter bilge!***
Phil
john smith
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Scr�obh "pbo...@aol.com" <pbo...@aol.com>:
>Actually, all of the season openers were throwaways for me,
>> but this one was the big offender.
>
>Smith & Jones was fairly strong.
Then there's Partners in Crime. Stresstoy monsters, Raquel from Corro,
and the miming meet-up scene. What's not to like?
***Oops! Scratch my last reply! I meant "Partners in Crime"!***
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The Wordsmith
> In article <voque5hl2rbn6nib4...@4ax.com>,
> =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=A9achad=C3=B3ir?= <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>>Scr=C3=ADobh AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk>:
>>>On Nov 2, 3:24=C2=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>> BEST:
>>>>
>>>> Blink and Boomtown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Each to their own, but WHY do you like Boomtown so much? It was bloody
>>>AWFUL IMHO.
>>
>>
>>The restaurant scene.
>>
>>
> It was amusing.
>
(snip)
The restaurant scene was one of the few redeeming things about that
episode. I loved seeing The Doctor's wit and cleverness, proving that he
was easily capable of handling whatever Blon could throw at him. One of
those light moments that served very little purpose to the overall plot,
but was still enjoyable.
The Wordsmith
> Scríobh The Wordsmith <asimo...@gmail.com>:
>>I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
>>certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
>>from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the
>>best (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
>>thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>>
>>Strongest:
>>Girl in the Fireplace
>>Blink
>>Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead
>
> Midnight. Just bloody effective. Nice to see the Doctor struggle for
> once.
>
Midnight was another fantastic episode. I love the sense of isolation and
helplessness he had; such a contrast to his usual cavalier attitude in
the face of impossible odds.
> Impossible Planet/ Satan Pit. Almost as scary as Blink.
>
That two-parter was pretty good, from what I remember, but it did seem to
drag on in places. Specifically, I think the Ood could have been more
developed, especially if they were planning on using them again later.
Either that, or it could have been condensed into one episode. I really
don't have much negative to say about it though, it was very enjoyable.
> Dunno why everyone hates Love & Monsters though. For me its a bit of
> fun. And lets face it, how can you not like Jeff Lynne.
Jeff was adorable, yes. However, he would have been better used as a sort
of temporary companion. Tennant's Doctor has his own geeky side, and it
would have been great to see them playing off each other.
john smith
"The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:31 +0000, F�achad�ir wrote:
>
>> Scr�obh The Wordsmith <asimo...@gmail.com>:
>>>I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
>>>certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
>>>from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the
>>>best (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
>>>thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>>>
>>>Strongest:
>>>Girl in the Fireplace
>>>Blink
>>>Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead
>>
>> Midnight. Just bloody effective. Nice to see the Doctor struggle for
>> once.
>>
>
> Midnight was another fantastic episode. I love the sense of isolation and
> helplessness he had; such a contrast to his usual cavalier attitude in
> the face of impossible odds.
>
Plus it was incredibly simple - and incredibly creepy. And David Tennant's
acting was superb! He conveyed a real sense of dread at being "possessed"
by... well, whatever it was. (The ambiguity is a huge reason I rate this
story so highly.) It goes to show that he can do a whole lot more than
running around gurning and apologising!
>
>> Impossible Planet/ Satan Pit. Almost as scary as Blink.
>>
>
> That two-parter was pretty good, from what I remember, but it did seem to
> drag on in places. Specifically, I think the Ood could have been more
> developed, especially if they were planning on using them again later.
> Either that, or it could have been condensed into one episode.
I think that really would have destroyed the pacing. But I tend to agree
with you: as with many of these two-parters, the build up to the threat is
so much more effective than the resolution... but then that's often the case
with many stories...
I really
> don't have much negative to say about it though, it was very enjoyable.
>
>> Dunno why everyone hates Love & Monsters though. For me its a bit of
>> fun. And lets face it, how can you not like Jeff Lynne.
>
> Jeff was adorable, yes. However, he would have been better used as a sort
> of temporary companion. Tennant's Doctor has his own geeky side, and it
> would have been great to see them playing off each other.
Nah! Might've worked for an episode or two but it would've grown lame
fast...
john smith
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> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:31 +0000, F�achad�ir wrote:
>
I like your wikipedia entry on psionics, by the way - but it's not nearly
in-depth enough! ;-)
The Wordsmith
> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:31 +0000, Féachadóir wrote:
>>
>>> Scríobh The Wordsmith <asimo...@gmail.com>:
Yes, it would have gotten old quickly, but it would have been good as a
one- or two-episode companion.
The Wordsmith
> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:31 +0000, Féachadóir wrote:
>>
>>> Scríobh The Wordsmith <asimo...@gmail.com>:
Thank you, but I haven't touched that article in years. Very little of
what's in there now is mine. The White Night riots article, though, is
one that I wrote almost entirely and of which I am very proud.
pbo...@aol.com
> <pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8df4bbf0-c415-43d1...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 4:27 pm, number six <mister.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My hate list definitely has Fear Her at or near the top. It's a real
> > shame, too. I thought the premise was great,
>
> ***"Paperhouse" did it far more effectively twenty years ago:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098061/***
I was sure the X-Files did a 'people in drawings' story, but I was
told last time I mentioned it that they didn't - maybe Outer Limits?
Though the premise of Fear Her wasn't really the drawings, which I
thought were a rather bad implementation of the idea, but the basic
story outline - lonely alien kidnaps people to become her friends.
> > Another one I hated was (I think the name was) New Earth. The skin.
> Actually, all of the season openers were throwaways for me,
>
> > but this one was the big offender.
>
> Smith & Jones was fairly strong.
>
> ***I liked it too! I thought the Adipose were great little alien critters!
> Whatever happened to the cuddly toy merchandise? That seemed like such a
> no-brainer...***
Smith & Jones was the Judoon one... Partners in Crime was good for the
kiddies, and well-made for what it was, but I prefer slightly more
adult stories in Who.
Phil
pbo...@aol.com
> "The Wordsmith" <asimone...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:31 +0000, Féachadóir wrote:
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> >>>I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
> >>>certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
> >>>from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the
> >>>best (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
> >>>thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
> >>>Strongest:
> >>>Girl in the Fireplace
> >>>Blink
> >>>Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead
>
> >> Midnight. Just bloody effective. Nice to see the Doctor struggle for
> >> once.
>
> > Midnight was another fantastic episode. I love the sense of isolation and
> > helplessness he had; such a contrast to his usual cavalier attitude in
> > the face of impossible odds.
>
> Plus it was incredibly simple - and incredibly creepy. And David Tennant's
> acting was superb! He conveyed a real sense of dread at being "possessed"
> by... well, whatever it was. (The ambiguity is a huge reason I rate this
> story so highly.) It goes to show that he can do a whole lot more than
> running around gurning and apologising!
I wonder it it's revealing that my top two stories are the ones in
which Tennant is least like his normal incarnation (Midnight and Human
Nature)?
> >> Impossible Planet/ Satan Pit. Almost as scary as Blink.
>
> > That two-parter was pretty good, from what I remember, but it did seem to
> > drag on in places. Specifically, I think the Ood could have been more
> > developed, especially if they were planning on using them again later.
> > Either that, or it could have been condensed into one episode.
>
> I think that really would have destroyed the pacing. But I tend to agree
> with you: as with many of these two-parters, the build up to the threat is
> so much more effective than the resolution... but then that's often the case
> with many stories...
Nice to see people appreciating Impossible Planet - I always found it
a great nostalgia piece (Doctor and co. running through tunnels on a
space station), and the secondary characters were well-realised.
Phil
Soze
probably in my all time top 5 Who stories. I`m also very fond of Dalek,
Empty Child, Blink, Utopia, Midnight and the entire 3 part finale for S4.
The worst is without doubt Fear Her with Boomtown not far behind. I`m
another who thought Love and Monsters quite good fun and don`t really
understand the hate for the harmless Lazarus Experiment ( which reminded me
of old Pertwee ).
I really enjoyed eps 1 of the dalek / Manhatten story but the second was
abysmal. The daleks were shown as witless buffoons in it in stark contrast
to the way they`d been played in the first (27th) series.
I also agree that most opening episodes are a bit naff...although Smith and
Jones was fun. New Earth was a shambles.
Ignis Fatuus
wrote:
>I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
>certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
>from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
>(and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
>thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
I'll go with your choices and add a few of my own. Girl is one of my
top stories, Blink is a lovely twist on the 'unseen menace' theme, and
Silence drags a bit in the first half then leaves you wanting more.
End of the World - didn't like this at first but it grows on you.
Cassandra's daft but creepy, the tension builds up very nicely, and
the transition from cataclysm to 'normality' is understated but highly
effective.
The Unquiet Dead. Piper seems out of place, but Simon Callow is
brilliant, and Dickens makes a fascinating character. The atmosphere
is genuinely creepy, and it's good to find the Doctor out of his
depth.
Dalek. Nice tribute to Space Museum, The Doctor loses it, and one of
the best Dalek stories ever.
Father's Day. Piper's best performance, well developed plot, and the
'obvious' solution that nobody wants to consider.
Boom Town. The Slitheen were awful, but this works well as black
comedy.
Bad Wolf. The game shows are hilarious parodies, but genuinely creepy.
The Dalek fleet is stunning. Shame about the ending.
Runaway Bride. Introducing Donna. Fantastic daft first half ruined by
ridiculous monster. Still worth a look.
Utopia. If there was any justice Jacobi would be the next Doctor. His
transition from benign to demonic is simply one of the best things in
New Who.
Drums/Last of... Simm gets on my nerves a bit, but his childish
petulant Master's an excellent performance nonetheless. Freema gets
some of her best moments, after dealing pretty well with some pretty
poor material throughout the season. Strong story with some nice
twists but the usual cop-out ending.
Season Four. Partners is one of the worst, but that apart this is one
of the best ever, and my favourite since Hartnell's first two seasons.
Tennant is less manic, and develops a brilliant rapport with Tate.
Donna is one of the best companions ever, and proves the advantages of
a strong supporting cast.
Biggest surprise is RTD, author of some of the weakest material, who
delivered four stunning episodes to round off the season.
Midnight, creepy, claustrophobic, and Tennant's most vulnerable
moment.
Turn left, the best scorched earth story since Dalek Invasion, follows
the travails of the Noble family with humour tragedy and horror.
Brilliant cast.
Stolen Earth/Journey's End, off the scale of the Daftometer but packed
with memorable moments - Shadow Proclamation, Wilf's Army, Harriet
Jones and the Subwave Network, Torchwood, Sarah Jane, Rose, Unit,
Martha and the Ostrehagen Key, Daleks in German, The Crucible, Davros,
Dalek Khan, Donna/Doctor - and somehow it all gels. There's many a
Hollywood Epic that's far less entertaining.
The Doctor
Looks like status quo.
The Doctor
The Wordsmith <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:56:16 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <voque5hl2rbn6nib4...@4ax.com>,
>> =?utf-8?Q?F=C3=A9achad=C3=B3ir?= <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>>>Scr=C3=ADobh AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk>:
>>>>On Nov 2, 3:24=C2=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>> BEST:
>>>>>
>>>>> Blink and Boomtown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Each to their own, but WHY do you like Boomtown so much? It was bloody
>>>>AWFUL IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>The restaurant scene.
>>>
>>>
>> It was amusing.
>>
>(snip)
>
>The restaurant scene was one of the few redeeming things about that
>episode. I loved seeing The Doctor's wit and cleverness, proving that he
>was easily capable of handling whatever Blon could throw at him. One of
>those light moments that served very little purpose to the overall plot,
>but was still enjoyable.
Let's get into it!! Why would the Doctor take a Slitheen to a
restaurant and talk redemption while she attacks him.
Come on! This is great AND the Slitheen seeing the light.
The Doctor
Midnight goes under Worst Category. Even Fear Her makes better watching.
pbo...@aol.com
> On 02 Nov 2009 09:27:21 GMT, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
> >certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
> >from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
> >(and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
> >thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
> I'll go with your choices and add a few of my own. Girl is one of my
> top stories, Blink is a lovely twist on the 'unseen menace' theme, and
> Silence drags a bit in the first half then leaves you wanting more.
>
> End of the World - didn't like this at first but it grows on you.
> Cassandra's daft but creepy, the tension builds up very nicely, and
> the transition from cataclysm to 'normality' is understated but highly
> effective.
I liked this one more on first viewing than I have subsequently,
actually.
> The Unquiet Dead. Piper seems out of place, but Simon Callow is
> brilliant, and Dickens makes a fascinating character. The atmosphere
> is genuinely creepy, and it's good to find the Doctor out of his
> depth.
Callow's performance was superb - but it underscored to me how absurd
it was to put that character in the situations he was in. Who past
used historical figures, but tended to do so sparingly and not in ways
that made them the centre of attention. And why would a novelist be
the one to think of the solution when the Doctor didn't? Partly
perhaps I found it jarring because, coming two episodes after the
Doctor was last out of his depth and needing a companion to save the
day, it seemed to portray him as incompetent. But the only historical
character insert I've found effective in New Who was Queen Victoria in
Tooth and Claw, largely because they did have her played as the real
character might have been, without any of the hero worship that made
Dickens or Shakespeare able to save the day with an uncharacteristic
insight.
> Dalek. Nice tribute to Space Museum, The Doctor loses it, and one of
> the best Dalek stories ever.
Whenever people say this, I can't help but wonder "which were the
better ones?" I've yet to see any Dalek story come close to Dalek.
> Boom Town. The Slitheen were awful, but this works well as black
> comedy.
The downside is, it was actually *trying* to be a morality play. I
have to say the only part that made me laugh was the "she's climbing
out of a window, isn't she?" line.
> Bad Wolf. The game shows are hilarious parodies, but genuinely creepy.
> The Dalek fleet is stunning. Shame about the ending.
Shame about the ending, shame about the beginning. I really didn't
like the game show parodies - they were just so close to the real
thing that they were every bit as dire to watch (though I never minded
Weakest Link, which probably explains why I didn't mind that segment).
> Runaway Bride. Introducing Donna. Fantastic daft first half ruined by
> ridiculous monster. Still worth a look.
The only New Who story I've only watched once - meaning I remember
little except not liking it. Introducing Donna is sadly not the
recommendation it ought to be. I suppose I should watch it again
following her return to see just how much the performance has changed,
but the character I recall was a one-note joke rather than an actual
companion; like the final scene of Partners in Crime extended for an
episode.
> Utopia. If there was any justice Jacobi would be the next Doctor. His
> transition from benign to demonic is simply one of the best things in
> New Who.
I was very disappointed watching the Enemies thing to hear that Jacobi
was fired, essentially - I'd always assumed the BBC just wouldn't be
able to afford to retain him as a recurring character, but his story
is that he'd have wanted to continue. He wouldn't have worked with the
final two-parter as written, but it would have been good to keep him
as the Master for the finale.
Phil
john smith
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:37:15 +0000, john smith wrote:
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>> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, that entry was pretty in-depth all right! Makes me wants to watch Van
Sant's "Milk". I normally like his films (loved "Elephant" and "Drugstore
Cowboy") but wondered how even-handed "Milk" would be...
john smith
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> <pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 2, 4:27 pm, number six <mister.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My hate list definitely has Fear Her at or near the top. It's a real
> > shame, too. I thought the premise was great,
>
> ***"Paperhouse" did it far more effectively twenty years
> ago:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098061/***
I was sure the X-Files did a 'people in drawings' story, but I was
told last time I mentioned it that they didn't - maybe Outer Limits?
***There was that creepy "Sapphire & Steel" one based around photographs.
And wasn't there a kids' comics character called "Pete's Magic Pen/Marker"
or summat where his drawings would come to life? I always wanted him to do
a doodlebug!***
Though the premise of Fear Her wasn't really the drawings, which I
thought were a rather bad implementation of the idea, but the basic
story outline - lonely alien kidnaps people to become her friends.
> > Another one I hated was (I think the name was) New Earth. The skin.
> Actually, all of the season openers were throwaways for me,
>
> > but this one was the big offender.
>
> Smith & Jones was fairly strong.
>
> ***I liked it too! I thought the Adipose were great little alien critters!
> Whatever happened to the cuddly toy merchandise? That seemed like such a
> no-brainer...***
Smith & Jones was the Judoon one... Partners in Crime was good for the
kiddies, and well-made for what it was, but I prefer slightly more
adult stories in Who.
***Me too! Let's hope "Waters of Mars" IS one of those stories. Hope the
spooky trailers I've seen haven't got my expectations raised too high
though!***
Phil
john smith
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> "The Wordsmith" <asimone...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
***Could be. The Doctor should be - literally! - a multi-dimensional, and
not a one-dimensional character. He can seem a bit too superheroey
sometimes...***
> >> Impossible Planet/ Satan Pit. Almost as scary as Blink.
>
> > That two-parter was pretty good, from what I remember, but it did seem
> > to
> > drag on in places. Specifically, I think the Ood could have been more
> > developed, especially if they were planning on using them again later.
> > Either that, or it could have been condensed into one episode.
>
> I think that really would have destroyed the pacing. But I tend to agree
> with you: as with many of these two-parters, the build up to the threat is
> so much more effective than the resolution... but then that's often the
> case
> with many stories...
Nice to see people appreciating Impossible Planet - I always found it
a great nostalgia piece (Doctor and co. running through tunnels on a
space station), and the secondary characters were well-realised.
***It reminded me of a kiddie version of "Event Horizon" - which is no bad
thing...***
Phil
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***I thought the TARDIS chase down the motorway was laugh-out-loud
brilliant! I actually whooped like a seven year old when I watched that
scene first time!***
I suppose I should watch it again
following her return to see just how much the performance has changed,
but the character I recall was a one-note joke rather than an actual
companion; like the final scene of Partners in Crime extended for an
episode.
> Utopia. If there was any justice Jacobi would be the next Doctor. His
> transition from benign to demonic is simply one of the best things in
> New Who.
I was very disappointed watching the Enemies thing to hear that Jacobi
was fired, essentially - I'd always assumed the BBC just wouldn't be
able to afford to retain him as a recurring character, but his story
is that he'd have wanted to continue. He wouldn't have worked with the
final two-parter as written, but it would have been good to keep him
as the Master for the finale.
***Yeah - Jacobi was great when he realised who he was! The best Master we
never had. They could always bring him back somehow... have some kind of
"degeneration scene" or something? Anything's possible in "Doctor Who"!***
Phil
The Wordsmith
> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:37:15 +0000, john smith wrote:
>>
>>> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:31 +0000, Féachadóir wrote:
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>>>>> Scríobh The Wordsmith <asimo...@gmail.com>:
I really enjoyed it. The film is actually what made me want to write that
article. Very well-done, and a great performance by Penn.
Stephen Wilson
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> ***Yeah - Jacobi was great when he realised who he was! The best Master
> we never had. They could always bring him back somehow... have some kind
> of "degeneration scene" or something? Anything's possible in "Doctor
> Who"!***
It's already been done in the audios. Big Finish were never able to get
Anthony Ainley on board (while he was alive), so their Master has been
Geoffrey Beevers.
john smith
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I didn't say it was an *original* idea! Main thing is: did it work? Coz if
it worked on audio, it could be made to work on the screen, surely? And
it's not like they haven't pilfered ideas from the Big Finish stories
already, is it?
john smith
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:15:13 +0000, john smith wrote:
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>> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:37:15 +0000, john smith wrote:
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>>>> "The Wordsmith" <asimo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
Still in horror-film mode after Halloween but I'll put it on my to-watch
list!
AlanSailsbury
>
>
> ***Me too! Let's hope "Waters of Mars" IS one of those stories. Hope the
> spooky trailers I've seen haven't got my expectations raised too high
> though!***
The production team were hoping it'd be shown on Halloween, so I'm
sure it's a spooky one.
Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter though, as
per. But it'll still end on a cliffhanger, with the final special to
be broadcast on New Year's Day.
Soze
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I`m hoping the Xmas special isn`t quite so lightweight this year. In
fairness last year`s was far less panto than the previous couple of years
and I`d expect Tennant`s finale to be a bit more dramatic. From what I`ve
come to know of RTD`s writing I expect he`ll try and pull an emotional punch
with the regeneration and it would jar if eps 1 is light and fluffy and then
eps 2 all dark and gloomy.
AlanSailsbury
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
I suspect it'll become increasingly darker as the story progresses,
but the BBC won't want anything TOO grim on Christmas Day. The story
starts out on a light note though, with the Ood providing some comedy
of sorts in the opening scenes.
All hell breaks loose in part two of course. There'll be tears before
bedtime.
The Doctor
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 4, 12:47=A0am, "Soze" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:b7d35c45-6157-42ef...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 3, 7:19 pm, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>e
>> > spooky trailers I've seen haven't got my expectations raised too high
>> > though!***
>> >The production team were hoping it'd be shown on >Halloween, so I'm
>> >sure it's a spooky one.
>> >Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter >though, as
>> >be broadcast on New Year's Day.
>>
>> I`m hoping the Xmas special isn`t quite so lightweight this year. In
>> fairness last year`s was far less panto than the previous couple of years
>> and I`d expect Tennant`s finale to be a bit more dramatic. From what I`ve
>nch
>> with the regeneration and it would jar if eps 1 is light and fluffy and t=
>hen
>> eps 2 all dark and gloomy.
>
>I suspect it'll become increasingly darker as the story progresses,
>but the BBC won't want anything TOO grim on Christmas Day. The story
>starts out on a light note though, with the Ood providing some comedy
>of sorts in the opening scenes.
>
>All hell breaks loose in part two of course. There'll be tears before
>bedtime.
>
Depends on scheduling.
john smith
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On Nov 3, 7:19 pm, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> ***Me too! Let's hope "Waters of Mars" IS one of those stories. Hope the
> spooky trailers I've seen haven't got my expectations raised too high
> though!***
The production team were hoping it'd be shown on Halloween, so I'm
sure it's a spooky one.
***Even better!***
Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter though, as
per. But it'll still end on a cliffhanger,
***Let's hope it's a killer! Will he bump into his future self, do you
think?***
The Doctor
The worst I have given New DW realtes to Love and Monsters.
AlanSailsbury
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter though, as
> per. But it'll still end on a cliffhanger,
>
> ***Let's hope it's a killer! Will he bump into his future self, do you
> think?***
>
So rumour has it, but I think that'd be too much like The Next Doctor.
Or perhaps that'd be part of the fun; 10th assumes 11th is another
fake?
john smith
They wouldn't even actually have to meet or interact much. Every fucker and
his dog knows what the new Doctor looks like, so the audience has an
advantage over the current Doctor. It could be fun to play around with that
angle... (Matt Smith looking sadly on from the shadows: "I'm sorry... I'm
so so sorry...")
(That last sentence was a joke, by the way!)
AlanSailsbury
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Nov 3, 10:16 pm, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter though, as
> > per. But it'll still end on a cliffhanger,
>
> > ***Let's hope it's a killer! Will he bump into his future self, do you
> > think?***
>
> So rumour has it, but I think that'd be too much like The Next Doctor.
> Or perhaps that'd be part of the fun; 10th assumes 11th is another
> fake?
>
> They wouldn't even actually have to meet or interact much. Every fucker and
> his dog knows what the new Doctor looks like, so the audience has an
> advantage over the current Doctor. It could be fun to play around with that
> angle... (Matt Smith looking sadly on from the shadows: "I'm sorry... I'm
> so so sorry...")
>
> (That last sentence was a joke, by the way!)
Ha ha. The Doctor seems to have various catch phrases in some
regenerations. "Jumping Jehosophat", "Oh deary me", etc. I'm reliably
informed that the 11th Doctor's catchphrase will be "As you do, as you
do, ohh mind me pumpkins".
pbo...@aol.com
Tennant will probably be given a line like "You can't be the Doctor.
You're too young."
Phil
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Phil
Hahaha!
But let's hope not, eh? Too self-referential and self-indulgent...
pbo...@aol.com
> <pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message
Which is exactly why I expect RTD to do it... Particularly since
certain Who writers like poking at fan complaints (Moffatt's thing
about TARDIS windows in Blink, for instance).
Phil
AlanSailsbury
I don't think he'll draw attention to it as it'll set the new Doctor
up in a negative fashion for some viewers. Remember for many kids,
this will be the first regeneration they've seen if they were too
young to see/remember Eccleston's Doc.
Back on topic, I reckons the best thing about next year's series will
be Amy Pond's legs. Skirt up to her arse. It's good old Doctor Who for
the Dads again! :-D
(My apologies to the ladies on this forum, but c'mon, you had John
Barrowman's arse in Torchwood so fair's fair. :-))
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 4, 10:24=A0pm, "pbow...@aol.com" <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Nov, 19:56, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > <pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>.
>> > On 4 Nov, 16:08, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 3, 10:16 pm, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> > > > Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter though, as
>> > > > per. But it'll still end on a cliffhanger,
>>
>you
>> > > > think?***
>>
>> > > So rumour has it, but I think that'd be too much like The Next Doctor=
>.
>> > > Or perhaps that'd be part of the fun; 10th assumes 11th is another
>> > > fake?
>>
>> > Tennant will probably be given a line like "You can't be the Doctor.
>> > You're too young."
>>
>> > Phil
>>
>> > Hahaha!
>>
>>
>> Which is exactly why I expect RTD to do it... Particularly since
>> certain Who writers like poking at fan complaints (Moffatt's thing
>> about TARDIS windows in Blink, for instance).
>>
>> Phil
>
>I don't think he'll draw attention to it as it'll set the new Doctor
>up in a negative fashion for some viewers. Remember for many kids,
>this will be the first regeneration they've seen if they were too
>young to see/remember Eccleston's Doc.
>
>Back on topic, I reckons the best thing about next year's series will
>be Amy Pond's legs. Skirt up to her arse. It's good old Doctor Who for
>the Dads again! :-D
>
>(My apologies to the ladies on this forum, but c'mon, you had John
>Barrowman's arse in Torchwood so fair's fair. :-))
>
Sailsbury trolls again.
Andrew
> I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
> certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
> from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
> (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
> thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
I'll run with Girl In The Fireplace, Blink and the Library two-parter
as high points. I'd want to add "Empty Child/Doctor Dances", "Dalek"
and "Midnight". The latter two, I think, because they move away from
the increasingly "deified" Doctor we've seen developing.
As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense. I'm afraid, for
me, "Journey's End" was just a mess. Too self-indulgent.
pbo...@aol.com
> On 2009-11-02 09:27:21 +0000, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com> said:
>
> > I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
> > certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
> > from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
> > (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
> > thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
> I'll run with Girl In The Fireplace, Blink and the Library two-parter
> as high points. I'd want to add "Empty Child/Doctor Dances", "Dalek"
> and "Midnight". The latter two, I think, because they move away from
> the increasingly "deified" Doctor we've seen developing.
>
> As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
> Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
> so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense.
*shrug* Nor did robo-men or Ogrons. I saw the point as a nod to the
past in that Daleks use enhanced/manipulated slaves, generally without
terribly good reason, and the effects were good.
Phil
The Doctor
Dalek was a joke, and Midnight made Sankedance look like a classic.
AlanSailsbury
>
>
> As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
> Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
> so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense. I'm afraid, for
> me, "Journey's End" was just a mess. Too self-indulgent.
I think the pig men were originally supposed to tie in with the pig in
the spaceship in Aliens of London but for some reason they never
actually connected it. I kinda liked them in Daleks in Manhattan
though because it showed another ruthless side to the Daleks and
related to that whole 1930s Universal horror movie mood they were
going for with that story.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Flop.
AlanSailsbury
Speaking of Ogrons, were they used again after Frontier?
Hulahoop
>
> - Show quoted text -
Does "Dimensions in Time" count? (I know, it doesn't - at least it
had better not)
I am sure there was one wandering around Albert Aquare in the great
slow march wasn't there?
Regards
Ged
john smith
Yeah. It was a sorta "King Kong"/"Island of Doctor Moreau" mashup, I
thought. A Monster Mash, as Boris Karloff and the Cryptkickers might've
called it...
The Wordsmith
Don't forget about those men among us who rather like John Barrowman's
arse ;)
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 5, 12:19=A0am, "pbow...@aol.com" <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Nov, 23:44, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>:
>>
>> > > I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
>way
>> > > from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the =
>best
>> > > (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
>> > > thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>>
>> > I'll run with Girl In The Fireplace, Blink and the Library two-parter
>> > as high points. I'd want to add "Empty Child/Doctor Dances", "Dalek"
>> > and "Midnight". The latter two, I think, because they move away from
>> > the increasingly "deified" Doctor we've seen developing.
>>
>> > As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
>> > Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
>> > so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense.
>>
>> *shrug* Nor did robo-men or Ogrons. I saw the point as a nod to the
>> past in that Daleks use enhanced/manipulated slaves, generally without
>> terribly good reason, and the effects were good.
>>
>> Phil
>
>Speaking of Ogrons, were they used again after Frontier?
>
>
>
No.
AlanSailsbury
That might be where I remembered them. Thanks.
Odd that they never brought them back more often. I guess the idea
today is that The Daleks don't need them.
AlanSailsbury
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
And The Phantom of the Opera being the obvious one I guess, with the
theatrical connection to the story.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 5, 12:58=A0am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 11:43=A0am, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 5, 12:19=A0am, "pbow...@aol.com" <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On 4 Nov, 23:44, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>>
>said:
>>
>> > > > > I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there =
>are
>> > > > > certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I s=
>hy away
>> > > > > from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of =
>the best
>> > > > > (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the sa=
>me
>> > > > > thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>>
>er
>> > > > as high points. I'd want to add "Empty Child/Doctor Dances", "Dalek=
>"
>> > > > and "Midnight". The latter two, I think, because they move away fro=
>m
>> > > > the increasingly "deified" Doctor we've seen developing.
>>
>he
>> > > > Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was ju=
>st
>> > > > so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense.
>>
>> > > *shrug* Nor did robo-men or Ogrons. I saw the point as a nod to the
>t
>> > > terribly good reason, and the effects were good.
>>
>> > > Phil
>>
>ext -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> had better not)
>>
>> I am sure there was one wandering around Albert Aquare in the great
>> slow march wasn't there?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ged
>
>That might be where I remembered them. Thanks.
>
>Odd that they never brought them back more often. I guess the idea
>today is that The Daleks don't need them.
TRoll on Sailsbury.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 5, 1:11=A0am, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:23185965-1a43-4d04...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 4, 11:44 pm, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
>> > Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
>> > so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense. I'm afraid, for
>> > me, "Journey's End" was just a mess. Too self-indulgent.
>>
>> I think the pig men were originally supposed to tie in with the pig in
>> the spaceship in Aliens of London but for some reason they never
>> actually connected it. I kinda liked them in Daleks in Manhattan
>> though because it showed another ruthless side to the Daleks and
>> related to that whole 1930s Universal horror movie mood they were
>> going for with that story.
>>
>> thought. =A0A Monster Mash, as Boris Karloff and the Cryptkickers might'v=
>e
>> called it...
>
>And The Phantom of the Opera being the obvious one I guess, with the
>theatrical connection to the story.
>
Caves of Androzani it is.
john smith
They use pig-human hybrids instead. Perhaps that's where the Ogrons
started?
john smith
Nah - that's just the sewer sequences. (You might as well compare it to
"The Third Man".) The Jackson "King Kong" remake without a doubt! Kong's
love interest (Fay Wray in the original) had loads of scenes early on with
her trying to be a hoofer... Contrast and compare.
AlanSailsbury
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:905e49a5-59ff-4ef6...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 5, 1:11 am, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:23185965-1a43-4d04...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 4, 11:44 pm, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>
> > > As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
> > > Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
> > > so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense. I'm afraid, for
> > > me, "Journey's End" was just a mess. Too self-indulgent.
>
> > I think the pig men were originally supposed to tie in with the pig in
> > the spaceship in Aliens of London but for some reason they never
> > actually connected it. I kinda liked them in Daleks in Manhattan
> > though because it showed another ruthless side to the Daleks and
> > related to that whole 1930s Universal horror movie mood they were
> > going for with that story.
>
> > Yeah. It was a sorta "King Kong"/"Island of Doctor Moreau" mashup, I
> > thought. A Monster Mash, as Boris Karloff and the Cryptkickers might've
> > called it...
>
> And The Phantom of the Opera being the obvious one I guess, with the
> theatrical connection to the story.
>
> Nah - that's just the sewer sequences. (You might as well compare it to
> "The Third Man".)
LOL.
>The Jackson "King Kong" remake without a doubt! Kong's
> love interest (Fay Wray in the original) had loads of scenes early on with
> her trying to be a hoofer... Contrast and compare.
I've only seen the Jackson remake once and didn't like it so I've
tried to forget it. :) The RKO original rules!
The more I think about Daleks In Manhattan the more I like it. It's
completely nuts, in a good way! :)
The Doctor
More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 1:13=A0am, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:905e49a5-59ff-4ef6...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 5, 1:11 am, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>.
>> > On Nov 4, 11:44 pm, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and the
>> > > Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was just
>> > > so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense. I'm afraid, for
>> > > me, "Journey's End" was just a mess. Too self-indulgent.
>>
>> > I think the pig men were originally supposed to tie in with the pig in
>> > the spaceship in Aliens of London but for some reason they never
>> > actually connected it. I kinda liked them in Daleks in Manhattan
>> > though because it showed another ruthless side to the Daleks and
>> > related to that whole 1930s Universal horror movie mood they were
>> > going for with that story.
>>
>> > Yeah. It was a sorta "King Kong"/"Island of Doctor Moreau" mashup, I
>> > thought. A Monster Mash, as Boris Karloff and the Cryptkickers might've
>> > called it...
>>
>> And The Phantom of the Opera being the obvious one I guess, with the
>> theatrical connection to the story.
>>
>o
>> "The Third Man".) =A0
>
>LOL.
>
>>The Jackson "King Kong" remake without a doubt! =A0Kong's
>> love interest (Fay Wray in the original) had loads of scenes early on wit=
>h
>> her trying to be a hoofer... =A0Contrast and compare.
>
>I've only seen the Jackson remake once and didn't like it so I've
>tried to forget it. :) The RKO original rules!
>
>The more I think about Daleks In Manhattan the more I like it. It's
>completely nuts, in a good way! :)
>
And smith and Sailsbury troll show goes on.
The Wordsmith
> In article <wIKIm.61819$y%.24737@newsfe29.ams2>, john smith
> <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>"AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:9eee4604-23cc-4c09-
b817-9d7...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>On Nov 5, 12:58 am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
(snip)
>>
>>Odd that they never brought them back more often. I guess the idea today
>>is that The Daleks don't need them.
>>
>>
>>
>>They use pig-human hybrids instead. Perhaps that's where the Ogrons
>>started?
>>
>>
>>
> More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
David, please learn the difference between an on-topic reply and trolling.
Hulahoop
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:22:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
> > More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
>
> David, please learn the difference between an on-topic reply and trolling.
>
NFC
Regards
Ged
The Doctor
With smith and Sailsbury posts, those are de facto trolling.
The Doctor
Hulahoop <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 3:21=A0pm, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:22:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> > More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
>>
>.
>>
>
>
>NFC
>
>Regards
>
>Ged
NFC? Damn TLAs!
AlanSailsbury
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
No because the Ogrons have their own planet and daft superstitions
(scared of an "Ogron Eater"). Although I guess The Daleks could have
created them thousands of years ago, as they do have time-travel
capabilities.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 1:10=A0am, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9eee4604-23cc-4c09...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 5, 12:58 am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 5, 11:43 am, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 5, 12:19 am, "pbow...@aol.com" <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On 4 Nov, 23:44, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > > > > said:
>>
>> > > > > > I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that ther=
>e
>> > > > > > are
>> > > > > > certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I
>> > > > > > shy away
>f
>> > > > > > the best
>> > > > > > (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the
>> > > > > > same
>> > > > > > thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>>
>> > > > > I'll run with Girl In The Fireplace, Blink and the Library
>> > > > > two-parter
>ek"
>> > > > > and "Midnight". The latter two, I think, because they move away f=
>rom
>> > > > > the increasingly "deified" Doctor we've seen developing.
>>
>> > > > > As for the low points, again I'd agree on "Love and Monsters" and
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > Daleks two-parter. The premise was fine in the latter but it was
>> > > > > just
>> > > > > so badly realised. The 'pig-men' just made no sense.
>>
>> > > > *shrug* Nor did robo-men or Ogrons. I saw the point as a nod to the
>out
>> > > > terribly good reason, and the effects were good.
>>
>> > > > Phil
>>
>> > > Speaking of Ogrons, were they used again after Frontier?- Hide quoted
>> > > text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Does "Dimensions in Time" count? (I know, it doesn't - at least it
>> > had better not)
>>
>> > I am sure there was one wandering around Albert Aquare in the great
>> > slow march wasn't there?
>>
>> > Regards
>>
>> > Ged
>>
>> That might be where I remembered them. Thanks.
>>
>> Odd that they never brought them back more often. I guess the idea
>> today is that The Daleks don't need them.
>>
>> started?
>
>No because the Ogrons have their own planet and daft superstitions
>(scared of an "Ogron Eater"). Although I guess The Daleks could have
>created them thousands of years ago, as they do have time-travel
>capabilities.
>
The smith and Sailsbury troll show for you.
AlanSailsbury
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:22:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> > <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >>"AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>news:9eee4604-23cc-4c09-
>
> b817-9d7c871b0...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>On Nov 5, 12:58 am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (snip)
>
> >>Odd that they never brought them back more often. I guess the idea today
> >>is that The Daleks don't need them.
>
> >>They use pig-human hybrids instead. Perhaps that's where the Ogrons
> >>started?
>
> > More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
>
> David, please learn the difference between an on-topic reply and trolling.
>
Either Yads doesn't understand what trolling is, or he doesn't care.
You may have noticed that he's only interested in trying to top
everyone else's posts, usually out of spite, accompanied with name
calling. Then every month he presents his list of top posters, with
himself at the top like it was a badge of honour. He can't help
himself. He's a little boy trapped in a man's body and is more to be
pitied than blamed.
Mr.Smartypants
Hmmm......actually I think he's an autistic little boy trapped in a
retarded sociopath's body.........but I do get what you're saying.;o)
The Laughing Dalek
wrote:
>I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
>certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
>from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
>(and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
>thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
>Strongest:
>Girl in the Fireplace - I think this episode perfectly embodies New Who -
>the fast pace, serious plot embellished with historical fact and the
>doctor's humour. One weakness was the clockwork robots, who just didn't
>seem that menacing, especially without their masks. I loved the way the
>Doctor was so willing to sacrifice himself for another, and the
>historical context actually made me want to read up on Madame de
>Pompadour, who is really a fascinating figure in French history.
agreed.
>
>
>Blink - This one was just scary. The Weeping Angels were a fantastic
>creation of Moffett's, and I found myself fascinated by them. The episode
>had plenty of hide-behind-the-couch moments. One thing I didn't like was
>the way the camera kept cutting to the victim's eyes; I think this got
>old quickly. Nonetheless, one of the strongest in Series 3. It was a
>brilliant implementation of a story that doesn't actually feature the
>Doctor very heavily, as opposed to Love & Monsters, below.
Agreed.
>
>Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead - This two-parter was one of
>the best of the revived series. It plays off a fear that many (if not
>most) people have of the dark. The idea that any shadow could contain the
>creatures creeped me out; I slept with the light on that night. The focus
>on the artificial world was great to break up the story. Else, running
>around a dark library trying not to be eaten would get old fast.
Pt 1 was excellent, I remember commenting that it had the potential to
be one of the best ever stories after "Silence" but Forest was rather
a let down IMHO...
Human Nature / Family of Blood
Possibly one of the best DW stories IMHO, full of classic Who moments
- the very creepy "son" and "Daughter" in the family, the psychic kids
description of the Doctor in the farmhouse, the chilling fate of the
family and plenty more.
The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances
The Story that proved to be that NuWho could be as good as "Classic"
Who, the the Doctor shouting "Everybody lives, just this time
everybody lives!" always gives me a huge grin on my face.
Dalek
The best Dalek story since Evil IMHO (and better than any dalek story
since as well)
>Weakest:
>Love & Monsters - The premise of the episode (i.e. that the Doctor gets
>noticed, and people form a fan club of sorts) is sound, but after that it
>all goes pear-shaped. An Abzorbaloff using a bunch of misfits to lure the
>Doctor so he can eat him? About as lame as it gets. Of course, they don't
>notice that group members keep disappearing after the group is hijacked
>by the monster.
I like it, comedy and a real feel good factor, a guilty pleasure! <G>
>
>
>Fear Her - There's really not much to say. The episode has a few good
>moments, a bit of witty banter here and there, but overall its a very
>weak offering.
no disagreement there, how can you be frightened by a girl scribbling?
>
>Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks - Ugh, this one is painful to
>watch. Daleks manipulating humans with genetic experiments? human/pig
>mutant slaves? Lightning strikes and dalekanium and human/Dalek hybrids?
>Oh, and the way the Doc figured out who it was is by turning a radio into
>some sort of scanner, and using it on a green jellyfish. The jellyfish
>looked sort of like a baby Rutan (cf. Horror of Fang Rock), which
>actually might have been a more interesting story now that I think of it.
bad but not *that* bad IMHO.
>
>
>The Lazarus Experiment - I'm convinced this one just existed to set up
>the Laser Screwdriver for the penultimate episode. An old man tries to
>make himself young again, but actually turns himself into a giant spider-
>looking thing. Thing then proceeds to kill and destroy, before the Doctor
>finishes it off. *yawn* I'm also not a fan of featuring Martha's family
>so heavily in this one. With that amount of involvement, one could have
>easily substituted Mickey and Jackie Tyler. I don't think it played off
>of Martha's talents at all. At this point in the season, her character is
>supposed to be more independent from her family.
I don't think I have rewatched it since first transmission TBH...
Partners in Crime - right from the start with the crap Jones chasing
the Doctor "comedy" this was a disaster, actually all 3 first episodes
of the Tennant seasons are really weak IMHO
The End of the World
This has some spectacular special effects and a great last 3 or 4
minutes but the rest of the story stinks to high heaven IMHO
The Laughing Dalek
<alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 4, 10:24�pm, "pbow...@aol.com" <pbow...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 4 Nov, 19:56, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > <pbow...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:72f7d2ba-c0ea-49fc...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> > On 4 Nov, 16:08, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 3, 10:16 pm, "john smith" <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> > > > Expect the Christmas one to be a bit lighter and dafter though, as
>> > > > per. But it'll still end on a cliffhanger,
>>
>> > > > ***Let's hope it's a killer! Will he bump into his future self, do you
>> > > > think?***
>>
>> > > So rumour has it, but I think that'd be too much like The Next Doctor.
>> > > Or perhaps that'd be part of the fun; 10th assumes 11th is another
>> > > fake?
>>
>> > Tennant will probably be given a line like "You can't be the Doctor.
>> > You're too young."
>>
>> > Phil
>>
>> > Hahaha!
>>
>> > But let's hope not, eh? �Too self-referential and self-indulgent...
>>
>> Which is exactly why I expect RTD to do it... Particularly since
>> certain Who writers like poking at fan complaints (Moffatt's thing
>> about TARDIS windows in Blink, for instance).
>>
>> Phil
>
>I don't think he'll draw attention to it as it'll set the new Doctor
>up in a negative fashion for some viewers. Remember for many kids,
>this will be the first regeneration they've seen if they were too
>young to see/remember Eccleston's Doc.
>
>Back on topic, I reckons the best thing about next year's series will
>be Amy Pond's legs. Skirt up to her arse. It's good old Doctor Who for
>the Dads again! :-D
can't wait - apparently she is quite tall as well, just under 6',
didn't look like it in the original photos but her legs may even rival
Liz Shaws!
>
>(My apologies to the ladies on this forum, but c'mon, you had John
>Barrowman's arse in Torchwood so fair's fair. :-))
and in Bad Wolf with Trinnybot and Suzannabots makeover IIRC (gave
might nightmares for weeks!)
Soze
Well, you`ve taken the furst step to shaking off the Yads addiction /
affliction...by stopping responding to him. Now how about stopping talking
about him as well. This group is a heaven sent step away from being Yads
free at last...go on...rise above it!
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 4:21=A0am, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:22:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> > In article <wIKIm.61819$y%.24...@newsfe29.ams2>, john smith
>> > <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>"AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >>news:9eee4604-23cc-4c09-
>>
>> b817-9d7c871b0...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>On Nov 5, 12:58 am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> (snip)
>>
>y
>> >>is that The Daleks don't need them.
>>
>> >>started?
>>
>> > More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
>>
>.
>>
>
>Either Yads doesn't understand what trolling is, or he doesn't care.
>You may have noticed that he's only interested in trying to top
>everyone else's posts, usually out of spite, accompanied with name
>calling. Then every month he presents his list of top posters, with
>himself at the top like it was a badge of honour. He can't help
>himself. He's a little boy trapped in a man's body and is more to be
>pitied than blamed.
>
Troll on TRollsbury.
The Doctor
Mr.Smartypants <bunghol...@lycos.com> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 10:32=A0am, AlanSailsbury <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Nov 6, 4:21=A0am, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:22:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> > > In article <wIKIm.61819$y%.24...@newsfe29.ams2>, john smith
>> > > <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>"AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > >>news:9eee4604-23cc-4c09-
>>
>> > b817-9d7c871b0...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > >>On Nov 5, 12:58 am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > (snip)
>>
>day
>> > >>is that The Daleks don't need them.
>>
>s
>> > >>started?
>>
>> > > More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
>>
>ng.
>>
>> Either Yads doesn't understand what trolling is, or he doesn't care.
>> You may have noticed that he's only interested in trying to top
>> everyone else's posts, usually out of spite, accompanied with name
>> calling. Then every month he presents his list of top posters, with
>> himself at the top like it was a badge of honour. He can't help
>> himself. He's a little boy trapped in a man's body and is more to be
>> pitied than blamed.-
>
>
>Hmmm......actually I think he's an autistic little boy trapped in a
>retarded sociopath's body.........but I do get what you're saying.;o)
>
Said MSP the escapee from the loony bin .
pbo...@aol.com
> On 02 Nov 2009 09:27:21 GMT, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >The Lazarus Experiment - I'm convinced this one just existed to set up
> >the Laser Screwdriver for the penultimate episode. An old man tries to
> >make himself young again, but actually turns himself into a giant spider-
> >looking thing. Thing then proceeds to kill and destroy, before the Doctor
> >finishes it off. *yawn* I'm also not a fan of featuring Martha's family
> >so heavily in this one. With that amount of involvement, one could have
> >easily substituted Mickey and Jackie Tyler. I don't think it played off
> >of Martha's talents at all. At this point in the season, her character is
> >supposed to be more independent from her family.
>
> I don't think I have rewatched it since first transmission TBH...
>
> Partners in Crime - right from the start with the crap Jones chasing
> the Doctor "comedy" this was a disaster, actually all 3 first episodes
> of the Tennant seasons are really weak IMHO
Tooth & Claw was very strong, and Planet of the Ood had its moments -
otherwise I tend to agree.
Phil
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Still great stuu except for Lazarus - too much running around.
AlanSailsbury
I think ONE comment in a day replying to a line that was about me was
quite permissable Soze.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Nov 6, 5:00=A0pm, "Soze" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1be0ba65-7781-4e1e...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 6, 4:21 am, The Wordsmith <asimone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:22:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> > > In article <wIKIm.61819$y%.24...@newsfe29.ams2>, john smith
>> > > <the_johnsm...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>"AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > >>news:9eee4604-23cc-4c09-
>>
>> > b817-9d7c871b0...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > >>On Nov 5, 12:58 am, Hulahoop <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > (snip)
>>
>day
>> > >>is that The Daleks don't need them.
>>
>> > >>They use pig-human hybrids instead. Perhaps that's where the Ogrons
>> > >>started?
>>
>> > > More smith and Sailsbury troll show.
>>
>ng.
>>
>> >Either Yads doesn't understand what trolling is, or he >doesn't care.
>> >You may have noticed that he's only interested in trying >to top
>> >everyone else's posts, usually out of spite, accompanied >with name
>> >calling. Then every month he presents his list of top >posters, with
>> >himself at the top like it was a badge of honour. He can't >help
>> >himself. He's a little boy trapped in a man's body and is >more to be
>> >pitied than blamed.
>>
>> Well, you`ve taken the furst step to shaking off the Yads addiction /
>g
>> about him as well. This group is a heaven sent step away from being Yads
>> free at last...go on...rise above it!
>
>I think ONE comment in a day replying to a line that was about me was
>quite permissable Soze.
>
You can never be a moderator Trollsbury.
Soze
I`ll let you off this once then. But oh...think of the joy of a life without
Yads!
The Doctor
Monsieur Tabernac
That would be wonderful! My killfile is bursting -- it consists of
Yads himself plus many of his minions. I'll see if Alan can continue
to kick the Yads habit and then I look forward to un-killfiling him,
as his non-Yads related posts are most enjoyable!
AlanZarbury
>>
> That would be wonderful! My killfile is bursting -- it consists of
> Yads himself plus many of his minions. I'll see if Alan can continue
> to kick the Yads habit and then I look forward to un-killfiling him,
> as his non-Yads related posts are most enjoyable!
I've done it for you. I have no intention of ever replying to him again.
It's pointless.
AlanZarbury
RTD tended to make the first episode of each series lighter and more
fun, to appeal to the wider public. It obviously worked as it hooked
them for the rest of the series. He knew what he was doing. I suspect
Moffat will do the same with Smith's first episode.
AlanZarbury
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:50:41 -0800 (PST), AlanSailsbury
> <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Back on topic, I reckons the best thing about next year's series will
>> be Amy Pond's legs. Skirt up to her arse. It's good old Doctor Who for
>> the Dads again! :-D
> can't wait - apparently she is quite tall as well, just under 6',
> didn't look like it in the original photos but her legs may even rival
> Liz Shaws!
>
She was a model at one stage. A couple of nice and tasteful pics on the
net if you Google.
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Peter J Ross
<asimo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been rewatching some old episodes, and I noticed that there are
> certain ones that I love to watch over and over, while others I shy away
> from. So, I thought maybe we could highlight and discuss some of the best
> (and worst) of the revived series, see if anyone else does the same
> thing. The below lists are in no particular order.
>
> Strongest:
> Girl in the Fireplace - I think this episode perfectly embodies New Who -
I agree that it perfectly embodies New Who, but I don't like it much.
> the fast pace,
Rweally? It's mostly just talk until the Doctor crashes through a
mirror.
> serious plot embellished with historical fact
When you've read up on Madame de Pompadour, you might want to revise
the word "fact".
> and the doctor's humour.
Yes, he acted drunk. Ha ha! ha ha! ha ha! He's such a card, isn't he?
> One weakness was the clockwork robots, who just didn't
> seem that menacing, especially without their masks.
They certainly seemed rather feeble. Breathe hard and you might blow
them over.
> I loved the way the
> Doctor was so willing to sacrifice himself for another,
I thought his inability to escape was accidental. And I found his wuv
for Reinette even creepier than his wuv for Rose.
> and the
> historical context actually made me want to read up on Madame de
> Pompadour, who is really a fascinating figure in French history.
She was one of the king's mistresses, and not very important.
> Blink - This one was just scary. The Weeping Angels were a fantastic
> creation of Moffett's, and I found myself fascinated by them. The episode
> had plenty of hide-behind-the-couch moments. One thing I didn't like was
> the way the camera kept cutting to the victim's eyes; I think this got
> old quickly. Nonetheless, one of the strongest in Series 3. It was a
> brilliant implementation of a story that doesn't actually feature the
> Doctor very heavily, as opposed to Love & Monsters, below.
It certainly produced plenty of scares, but scares was all it had.
> Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead - This two-parter was one of
> the best of the revived series. It plays off a fear that many (if not
> most) people have of the dark. The idea that any shadow could contain the
> creatures creeped me out; I slept with the light on that night. The focus
> on the artificial world was great to break up the story. Else, running
> around a dark library trying not to be eaten would get old fast.
I found the monsters uninteresting, and River Song almost as annoying
a girlfwiend for the Doctor to wuv as Rose was, but the development of
Donna's character in the "imaginary" scenes raised this above the
level of the typical Moffatt rubbish.
> Weakest:
> Love & Monsters - The premise of the episode (i.e. that the Doctor gets
> noticed, and people form a fan club of sorts) is sound, but after that it
> all goes pear-shaped. An Abzorbaloff using a bunch of misfits to lure the
> Doctor so he can eat him? About as lame as it gets. Of course, they don't
> notice that group members keep disappearing after the group is hijacked
> by the monster.
It's wonderful until some stand-up comic who can't act turns up, after
which it becomes laughable.
> Fear Her - There's really not much to say. The episode has a few good
> moments, a bit of witty banter here and there, but overall its a very
> weak offering.
Yes, and it has the worst acting by a child since The Twin Dilemma.
> Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks - Ugh, this one is painful to
> watch. Daleks manipulating humans with genetic experiments? human/pig
> mutant slaves? Lightning strikes and dalekanium and human/Dalek hybrids?
Those all seem like quite good ideas to me. They just don't work very
well on screen.
> Oh, and the way the Doc figured out who it was is by turning a radio into
> some sort of scanner, and using it on a green jellyfish. The jellyfish
> looked sort of like a baby Rutan (cf. Horror of Fang Rock), which
> actually might have been a more interesting story now that I think of it.
New Who could actually do the Rutans well, since they have an adequate
special effects budget.
> The Lazarus Experiment - I'm convinced this one just existed to set up
> the Laser Screwdriver for the penultimate episode. An old man tries to
> make himself young again, but actually turns himself into a giant spider-
> looking thing. Thing then proceeds to kill and destroy, before the Doctor
> finishes it off. *yawn* I'm also not a fan of featuring Martha's family
> so heavily in this one. With that amount of involvement, one could have
> easily substituted Mickey and Jackie Tyler. I don't think it played off
> of Martha's talents at all. At this point in the season, her character is
> supposed to be more independent from her family.
Mickey and Jackie were certainly more interesting than any of Martha's
family. Their characters changed over time, unlike Martha's family.
--
PJR :-)
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