WDW restaurants going "business casual"
carlson...@juno.com
button by accident :-)
I am ticked at Disney right this moment. I received an e-mail
newsletter from All Ears and it talked about WDW restaurants going
business casual.
OK, California Grill, I get it! The CR has a conference center and
business people tend to frequent it, okay, fine.
JIKO at the Animal Kingdom Lodge, Yachtsman Steakhouse, Artist Point at
Wilderness Lodge and I can't remember the rest on the list.
The thing that frustrates me is this... I'm not a slob by any means,
but when I'm on vacation AT Disney World, I tend to wear jean shorts or
khakis and DISNEY T-Shirts. Hellooooo... I'm on vacation! Now,
apparently it is just fine for Disney world to take the money I shell
out for an annual pass every year, it's okay for them to take my money
to BUY all these Disney t-shirts, and it is definitely okay for me to
pay for a room at the Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, and yes,
even the Beach/Yacht Club, but APPARENTLY, it is not okay for me to
leave my room, wearing my Disney t-shirt and khakis and visit Jiko, or
Yachtsman, or Artist point.
However, if I wear a collared shirt, it is okay. Sounds like
discrimination to me, but hey, to be honest with you, who am I
offending? The food? The waiter? Please! I'm not trying to walk in
the Grand Floridian to the fancy restaurant, but come on, creating this
huge list of can's and cannot's is annoying.
What's next?
You will only be able to rent certain hotel types depending on your
credit report. Please!
Ok... flame on .... That's my 2 cents.
da cheet
> Ok... flame on .... That's my 2 cents.
IMO, i'm surprised they didn't do it sooner.
look at the prices of the meals at these places... most everything is
>20 dollars a plate. most fine dining establishments that charge this
much for an entree aren't filled with people in t-shirts and muddy shoes.
they're just trying to make it more upscale.
SocSecTr...@earthlink.net
carlson...@juno.com wrote:
> I tried to post this once, but was so ticked, I flicked the enter
> button by accident :-)
>
> I am ticked at Disney right this moment. I received an e-mail
> newsletter from All Ears and it talked about WDW restaurants going
> business casual.
>
> OK, California Grill, I get it! The CR has a conference center and
> business people tend to frequent it, okay, fine.
>
> JIKO at the Animal Kingdom Lodge, Yachtsman Steakhouse, Artist Point at
> Wilderness Lodge and I can't remember the rest on the list.
Good and finally. No matter how good the food is, it's hard to believe
you're having a fine dining experience when the people at the next
table over look like they've been baking in the Florida sun at 90
degrees for the previous 6-8 hours. Restaurants of this quality would
probably require jackets for men in most other places.
I suspect that Disney is following the demands of the market, i.e., the
customers, with this move; they're not imposing a dress code out of
some kind of mini-fascist arbitrariness. _Most_ customers of
restaurants of this quality want a somewhat nicer experience when
they're putting out this type of money, and t-shirts, flip flops and
cargo shorts detract from it.
carlson...@juno.com
khakis, nice tennis shoes. I would rather eat a filet mignon than a
burger anyday, why should my clothes matter? If they are clean, not
wrinkled. The price of the meal shouldn't play into it.
I mean Disney charges more than $50 for a one day one park pass, does
that mean, it's expensive and the guests should somehow be screened.
I think this is a much larger issue. If you look presentable and have
the $$, this is discrimination. If you don't have a collared shirt, a
blouse, or a sweater, you can't eat because you happen to be wearing a
t-shirt. RIDICULOUS imo.
I have spent the day at Epcot numerous times and gone over to Yachtsman
with my husband for dinner, then back to Epcot for Illuminations. Sure
there were some couples/families more dressed, but the majority, on the
days I went, were dressed like we were.
my3cents
carlson...@juno.com
and respect many people.
I have also followed the 'flip-flop' post. My god people, she was
asking a question and genuinely needed help. I love it how you hear
t-shirt or fanny pack and you automatically assume things that aren't.
The new genre of posters saying things like 'dirty', 'redneck', and 'oh
you had a fanny pack, well that explains why you got turned down for
service' are a bunch of SNOBS.
Flame me, I could care less! For crying out loud people, You are at a
THEME PARK! Staying on property run by a mayor who IS A MOUSE! You
are usually there for VACATION! Loosen up, will ya? Shirt and ties
are fine at the CR California Grille and Grand Floridian V&A, but get a
grip folks.
The bulk of us there are on vacation and if we want a steak at
Yachtsman, why the heck should we have to wear a collared shirt? Is
somehow my mickey mouse polo shirt better than my gray t-shirt with the
mouse emblem, with NO collar?
Take a chill pill and do not call me in the morning.
da cheet
> Who said anything about muddy shoes? I have a Disney T on and nice
> khakis, nice tennis shoes. I would rather eat a filet mignon than a
> burger anyday, why should my clothes matter?
becuase you're going to a fine dining establishment, not a chain
restaurant or counter service place.
if you can afford a filet mignon, you should be able to afford a nice
shirt.
it's all about class.
carlson...@juno.com
them every day to the office. You are obviously hung up on
appearance... hmmm... I have a poem for you....
Look At You
Walking down the street
Where millions walk each day
You can walk by so many people
And never look their way.
On this day, I walk by you
You're all dressed in your nicely pressed suit
You slow your pace and look at me
>From my tangled hair to my tattered boot.
You stare at me, for I'm a bum
My boots are full of holes
They're all dirty and very worn
They don't even have any soles.
My clothes are old and torn
My face is full of dirt
I walk a little staggered
>From sleeping on the ground, I still hurt.
As I look at you
I see an executive who seems to have it all
I notice your hands start to tremble slightly
As you move past me, you start to fall.
I reach out with my filthy hand
And pull you back up on your wing tip shoes
As you regain your posture
-On your breath, I smell the booze.
You smooth out your jacket
And take off on your way
No "thank you", no smile
No "have a nice day".
To you, I'm just a bum
Whom you'll forget very soon
To me, you're an executive
Who is already drunk at noon...
What makes you think you're better than me?
da cheet
> Take a chill pill and do not call me in the morning.
sounds like you're the one who needs to take a "chill pill", you're the
one getting worked up over it.
it's what, 4 restaurants?
i think 5 restaurants total where it's required to dress a little nicer
is an appropriate number when there's probably >30 (i don't have an
exact number) sit down restaurants total on property.
carlson...@juno.com
watch out....
You may just see me 'bumming around' in my khakis and disney t-shirt,
wearing my sneakers. I'll be the one sipping my ice coffee walking
through the lobby. I probably may have just left my TC room on the
12th floor and may be heading to catch a bus to head to AK. I hope
when you get off the elevator from dinner, that I don't offend you with
my attire! woooooooo watch out for my disney t.
da cheet
> I'm on VACATION! My 'nice shirts' are at home because I HAVE to wear
> them every day to the office.
then don't go to a fine dining restaurant. you're not being forced to.
> You are obviously hung up on
> appearance... hmmm... I have a poem for you....
that poem has no relevance to this situation whatsoever. the type of
person being served has nothing to do with the reason for a dress code.
they're not trying to keep certain people out, they're trying to
create an upscale atmosphere in the restaurant.
carlson...@juno.com
the most, Jiko and Yachtsman.
I absolutely refuse to wear a blouse or a collared shirt while on
vacation.
I also get worked up because on my post, and others, someone hears the
word t-shirt and automatically thinks someone is a slob or somehow
dressed inappropriately.
da cheet
> You may just see me 'bumming around' in my khakis and disney t-shirt,
> wearing my sneakers. I'll be the one sipping my ice coffee walking
> through the lobby. I probably may have just left my TC room on the
> 12th floor and may be heading to catch a bus to head to AK. I hope
> when you get off the elevator from dinner, that I don't offend you with
> my attire! woooooooo watch out for my disney t.
so fine dining restaurants in new york city shouldn't have dress codes
because you might see a bum on the way to the restaurant?
da cheet
> I also get worked up because on my post, and others, someone hears the
> word t-shirt and automatically thinks someone is a slob or somehow
> dressed inappropriately.
you're only dressed inappropriately for a fine dining restaurant. it's
the *atmosphere* they're trying to create.
even when we went to dinner at the rose and crown our last trip, i wore
a button up collared shirt to the park. i like to look nice when going
to a restaurant. the occupants should match the surroundings, and when
it's a nice restaurant... a t-shirt will stick out. (unless, i admit,
it's just a solid color and tucked in)
Dillon Pyron
Do you head back to the room, shower and change, then go to the
restaurant? I sure don't waste my vacation doing that.
--
dillon
Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way
of life.
And a damn fine one, at that.
Denise
Most of those who I see at Disney look like they have (in nicer
restaurants). In places like Jiko, Artist Point, etc., I think a polo
and shorts, or even a clean t-shirt and shorts look fine. I just
wouldn't expect bathing suits, tank shirts, items that look like they
came from being out at the pool.
It isn't WHAT you wear for the most part, IMHO, it is how you wear it.
We did a tour in Munich last month, and the tour guide was very nicely
dressed - but he smelled terribly, and am not sure that he didn't wear
the outfit for two days in a row without washing. If people look and
smell clean, I'm generally happy.
Denise
Denise
lot more casual than other parts of the country. I don't dress up for
many meals.
I also don't expect guests to go nuts packing nicer clothes for meals.
It doesn't matter to me if they go from the park to dinner, especially
in the cooler months when they haven't sweat so badly.
Denise
Anne - EZ Fun Guide to WDW
So are you told when you make reservations about this policy? And if
guests show up in something "unacceptable," are they being denied
seating?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Happy day,
Anne
=====================
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Author of the EZ Travel Guide to Walt Disney World
www.ez-wdw.com
The easy-to-use vacation planner
that takes travel guides to a new level of fun!
Use the EZ Fun Maps to explore WDW, while the EZ Fun Sheets
guide you through planning the perfect WDW vacation for you.
Kaycee Hannen
the time out to head 'home' and return! I can afford a filet. I can
afford a nice shirt. However, if I have been in the parks for the past
four hours, I'm not going to head out just to change clothes. A clean
shirt with decent shorts/slacks/ etc should be acceptable imo.
Dillon Pyron wrote:
> Thus spake da cheet <dac...@homsar.com> :
>>
Rudeney
> I have been on this board for a long time and have followed many posts
> and respect many people.
Lurking? Or are you using a new e-mail address? (just curious).
> I have also followed the 'flip-flop' post. My god people, she was
> asking a question and genuinely needed help.
I thought most of the answers she received were quite civil, even several
that suggested that she might want to reconsider her daughter's planned
wardrobe. The only people that seemed to take more of an antagonistic
approach were Matt Mason and Lesa. Keep in mind that she was asking for
people's opinions on the matter.
> I love it how you hear
> t-shirt or fanny pack and you automatically assume things that aren't.
> The new genre of posters saying things like 'dirty', 'redneck', and
> 'oh you had a fanny pack, well that explains why you got turned down
> for service' are a bunch of SNOBS.
Actually, the people that made the fanny pack comments were doing it
tongue-in-cheek. You may want to re-read them.
> Flame me, I could care less!
Actually, no flames, but I will correct you because that's one of my pet
peeves. The correct phrase is, "I could not care less."
> For crying out loud people, You are at a
> THEME PARK! Staying on property run by a mayor who IS A MOUSE! You
> are usually there for VACATION! Loosen up, will ya? Shirt and ties
> are fine at the CR California Grille and Grand Floridian V&A, but get
> a grip folks.
I agree. It's a theme park and a large majority of people are there with
children and it's the hot, humid Florida climate and really, no one should
be expected to "dress up" for a meal there, except for V&A's. (I believe
the CA Grill is the same business casual dress code that is being extended
to a few other nicer restaurants).
> The bulk of us there are on vacation and if we want a steak at
> Yachtsman, why the heck should we have to wear a collared shirt? Is
> somehow my mickey mouse polo shirt better than my gray t-shirt with
> the mouse emblem, with NO collar?
I believe you upset over this because you are missing the point. It's not
that these restaurants want to keep out people wearing nice Disney T-shirts
and shorts and such. No, they are trying to make guests more comfortable
than they would be if they had to choke down their $35 entree while sitting
next to Bubba in his wife beater with the sweat on his back hair glistening
in the ambient lighting, or having the bouquet on their cabernet overpowered
by the stench of foot cheese coming from Bobby Sue's flip flops that still
have some crusted pig slop hanging off the sides. It's one thing to walk
around the parks in stinky, sweaty clothes, but it's an entirely different
thing to dine in a restaurant that way. Trust me, I can sweat and be as
stinky as the next guy after spending all day traipsing around WDW, but I
certainly don't want to be that way when I sit down to eat a nice meal.
It's the same way I don't wear Tommy Bahama and a Rolex when I do something
dirty like change oil in the car or weed the garden.
The whole issue is that there is an appropriate level of attire and hygiene
that is appreciated and expected by most everyone when they eat at a nice
restaurant. That attires lies between formal wear and stained, sweaty
clothes one wears when mowing the lawn, and of course either extreme is
equally inappropriate. It's unfortunate that Disney can't just say come out
and say, "Before you eat here, if you are wearing your dirty lawn mowing
clothes and you're really stinky and nasty from spending all day in the
heat, would you please go back to your room and shower and put on some fresh
clothes?" Because that would not be an acceptable way to ask, they have
decided to hint at it by setting these guidelines.
I honestly don't believe anyone wearing a nice Disney T-shirt, denim shorts
or open-toed shoes is going to be turned away. Although they might turn
away a person wearing an undershirt (trust me, some people don't know the
difference between undershirt an T-shirt) or muddy work boots or nasty
flip-flops that should have been thrown out last decade. So many people
from so many backgrounds and cultures come to WDW, it's sometimes difficult
to get the point across. I look at this dress code rule just as I do the
security checks: They are there more for show than anything, but in extreme
situations, they now have something to fall back on to enforce the rules.
> Take a chill pill and do not call me in the morning.
Yes, really, I believe everyone needs to take a chill pill over this. It's
no big deal.
--
- RODNEY
carlson...@juno.com
different approach next time.. sleep on it :-)
Re: my e-mail.. I do post and don't lurk, but I have 3 e-mail
addresses, I post under whichever once happens to be in the box from
last time. :-)
-C
Rudeney
>
> Do you head back to the room, shower and change, then go to the
> restaurant? I sure don't waste my vacation doing that.
Actually, if I've been sweating like a pig all day in the hot sun, I do
generally go back to the room and shower before going out to eat for dinner
in the evening. I feel more comfortable and I am sure my fellow diners
appreciate it as well.
--
- RODNEY
Judy
The whole issue is that there is an appropriate level of attire and
hygiene
that is appreciated and expected by most everyone when they eat at a
nice
restaurant. That attires lies between formal wear and stained, sweaty
clothes one wears when mowing the lawn, and of course either extreme is
equally inappropriate. It's unfortunate that Disney can't just say
come out
and say, "Before you eat here, if you are wearing your dirty lawn
mowing
clothes and you're really stinky and nasty from spending all day in the
heat, would you please go back to your room and shower and put on some
fresh
clothes?" Because that would not be an acceptable way to ask, they
have
decided to hint at it by setting these guidelines.
This is straying OT, but a year ago I went to wedding for a distant
cousin. it was in a beautiful church, the bride had a beautiful gown,
wedding party had tuxes etc. I was amazed that there were some guests
who wore denim shorts and t-shirts. Really! It was like they were on
their way to Building 19 and decided to stop at Jessica's wedding on
the way.
So anyway, back OT, I agree with Rodney. Excellent post.
Judy
ElastiGirl
too -- mainly because we're taking Dear Aunt with us in November and we
already told her that she didn't have to buy anything special to wear to go
out to dinner with us. That said, Dear Aunt typically dresses in
nice-looking, clean jeans and nicer tops (not polos, not tee shirts,
sometimes sweat shirts, but they're always "dressed up") AND she always
smells great (hygiene is very important to this 73 year old lady).
So, I printed out what allearsnet ACTUALLY SAYS to show it to my DH this
evening...
"Last week, we noted that California Grill has changed its dress code to
"business casual". This policy is also now in effect for many upscale WDW
restaurants. No hats, swimsuits, swimsuit coveralls, tank tops, T-shirts,
torn clothing or flip-flops are permitted at the following: Artist Point
(WL), California Grill (Contemporary), Citricos and Narcoossee's (GF), Jiko
(AKL), Flying Fish (Boardwalk), and Yachtsman Steakhouse (YC). Business
casual attire includes dress shorts, pants, jean pants, collared shirts,
blouses and sweaters."
I interpret that to mean that
T-shirt = either an undershirt OR a tee-shirt with printing all over it
T-shirt does not = a nice solid or patterned ladies shirt without a collar
(maybe these are actually blouses) NOR a nice silk or rayon men's uncollared
shirt
Jeans are permitted as long as they are clean, not torn or worn, or those
dirty-bleached-things
Columbia shorts / Cargo shorts are not permitted
Khaki shorts, preferably pressed are permitted
And flip-flops have already been discussed at length -- flip flops do not
equal sandals
EG
BTW I could be wrong, but I know that I'm perfect (my husband tells me so)
<carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
> Rodney wrote-
> The whole issue is that there is an appropriate level of attire and
> hygiene
> that is appreciated and expected by most everyone when they eat at a
> nice
> come out
> and say, "Before you eat here, if you are wearing your dirty lawn
> mowing
> clothes and you're really stinky and nasty from spending all day in
> the
> heat, would you please go back to your room and shower and put on some
> fresh
> clothes?"
> So anyway, back OT, I agree with Rodney. Excellent post.
>
I also agree. Even ignoring being considerate of others, from a solely
personal view, I couldn't enjoy a meal if I wasn't showered and fresh.
By the way, none of the restaurants with this policy are in the parks. If
you have to leave a park to get to dinner, you should stop for a shower and
a change of clothes on the way. If your room is outside the world, I'd
either go back first or eat near my hotel.
--
Bill
Bryan Irrera
dmpyron...@austin.rr.com says...
> Do you head back to the room, shower and change, then go to the
> restaurant? I sure don't waste my vacation doing that.
>
> --
> dillon
>
>
As a matter of fact, we do. When we go to the parks, we've probably
used early-entry days, but we also are going to be up late at Pleasure
Island (at the Adventurer's Club), so we go back to the hotel around 4
or 5pm, relax, change out of our sweaty clothes, shower, nap, then
change into something nice and APPROPRIATE for where we intend to eat.
If we are just getting counter service, that may mean just another t-
shirt and more jeans or shorts.
If we're going to California Grill or other nice restaurants like that
we've adhered to this dress code for years, even before it was "the
rules". That's just the way we were raised.
dcdeb
> To folks who have been to these restaurants,
>
> So are you told when you make reservations about this policy? And if
> guests show up in something "unacceptable," are they being denied
> seating?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know!
Hi Anne,
I was at California Grill two weeks ago, which is when I first noticed a
sign posted at the 2nd floor reception area that stated the restaurant's
dress code was now "business casual."
When I asked the cast member about it, she said that they had been
moving toward that type of dress code gradually for a while, but really
hadn't advertised it or enforced it much. The difference is that now
they are starting to state it a little more explicitly.
I asked her specifically if jackets for men would be required and she
said no, they just wanted to create a more upscale atmosphere. I also
asked if they were turning people away. She said no to that also -- that
for now they were just trying to inform folks that the dress code was a
little dressier than a lot of other places on Disney property. I didn't
see anyone turned away while we were waiting to go upstairs, but then
again, I didn't see anyone dressed in extremely casual attire, either. I
think most people dining at California Grill treat it as the special
dining experience it is -- let's face it, it's not the pool bar -- and
dress accordingly.
dcdeb
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>
> Do you head back to the room, shower and change, then go to the
> restaurant? I sure don't waste my vacation doing that.
>
> --
> dillon
Honestly, after hours in the parks, I'd love to take a break at the
room and change clothes before going out for a nice dinner.
If I just want to pop in for a meal all sweaty in park attire, I'd not
want to do it at the upper end restaurants, I wouldn't enjoy it as
much.
*Buttercup
Lesa
"Rudeney" <rud...@mickeypics.com> wrote in message
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> carlson...@juno.com wrote:
>> I have been on this board for a long time and have followed many posts
>> and respect many people.
>
> Lurking? Or are you using a new e-mail address? (just curious).
>
>> I have also followed the 'flip-flop' post. My god people, she was
>> asking a question and genuinely needed help.
>
> I thought most of the answers she received were quite civil, even several
> that suggested that she might want to reconsider her daughter's planned
> wardrobe. The only people that seemed to take more of an antagonistic
> approach were Matt Mason and Lesa. Keep in mind that she was asking for
> people's opinions on the matter.
>
She asked for opinions I gave my opinions. I'm not one to pussy foot around
things, but will state them as I see them. I try to be polite, but some of
that is lost via the medium.
EllenGee61
This topic has really raised the hairs on a lot of necks (red and
otherwise)...whoa! As you so aptly put it, I was simply looking for
opinions, and got many. I certainly wasn't looking for this to become the
hot topic of the week, but it aparently has! Actually, I find it all quite
amusing that people can get so incredibly incensed over something like this.
I, too have been in dining situations and been thoroughly apalled at the
dress of the other patrons. Last year, my husband and I took an incredibly
romantic vacation to Sandals in St. Lucia. The highlight dining experience
for us was the French Restaurant, La Toc. There was a dress code, and 99%
of the people there adhered to it, it was very upscale. Then there was the
couple that literally walked in off the beach, their hair wasn't even
combed, they had on their tank tops and bathing suits and those dreaded
flip-flops. Thank goodness our table was quite a ways from theirs, I'm sure
they reeked. As I stated in my thread, this is certainly not my intention
with my 11 year old daughter.
Ellen :)
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Jen in TX
that annoy you roll off your back.
Have a great trip!!
Jennifer
"EllenGee61" <elle...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> I'm the original "flip-flop" poster, and I totally agree with you, Rodney.
> This topic has really raised the hairs on a lot of necks...
Snoopyto
years Citricos has always been "Resort casual". I have always taken
that to mean a collar shirt and khaki pants or shorts. Not to the
point of being dressy but enough that you don't look like a slob.
Many of these restrauants are favorite haunts for people who like to
take their love our to a romantic dinner. If you are surrounded by
people who are dressed nicely then it feels a little eliteist more
special. To me it is kind of like going to a wedding in shorts and
T-shirt. The whole dress code is to preserve the specialness of the
restrauants. However, I really do not see this as any big change from
Resort Casual to Business Casual. It is just a name change in my
opinion along with a few other venues added to the resort casual
required . So what I am missing?
David
TDC Keeper Fountain of the Nations
Jen in TX
advice of this list. It was great, but I did feel we got a few looks for
being in our park wear. Didn't go back there, even when we stayed at GF.
Great food, though.
It's hard because I thought the resort restaurants were a good way to escape
the parks for an hour or two. I guess they are trying to weed out those
type of diners? I don't think we were stinky (in April), but we were not
too dressed up.
Jennifer
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EllenGee61
I'm not new at all, I've been reading and posting for more than 5 years. I
post in spurts, usually around trips. Sometimes, you just have to let the
idiots know that you've got their number. I don't appreciate the
assumptions that people make about everyone simply from a question in a
post. And as everyone knows around here, there are those that get off just
posting things to incite a riot on these threads. Those idiots are not
worth answering. In fact, I've blocked most of them.
The people here at RADP, for the most part, are really a wonderful group.
The very first time I posted, was to tell a story of how a friend had lost a
special Disney guide book that I had loaned them, back during the 25th
Anniversary. At least 3 people offered to send books at no cost, it was
really, really nice. I wound up with 2 of those books, and they are each put
away for my kids to remember that special family vacation. This is a great
group, and I appreciate all the knowledge I've gained due to all the posts.
I try to give back, too...I've been visiting WDW since 1979.
We will have a great trip, and a really nice meal at the California Grill,
no matter what my daughter chooses to wear on her feet!
Viva la flip-flops!!!!!
Ellen :)
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msbass
conversations about where we're from or I wear Disney T-shirts. The beauty of a
WDW vacation has been its casual nature (there's a reason I haven't been on a
cruise yet).
I'm disappointed that dress code is any thing I have to consider at WDW. If
there is any question about my usual fare of T-shirts I will correct anyone
addressing my dress that my T's are "blouses:
BTW if you want some California Grill or Yachtsman clothes, Disneydirect.com has
a sale of Mickey polos for women 2 for $29.00!
I'll be the one in the Suns T-shirt with my water bottle on my fanny pack at
Yachtsman.
Patsy
Jen in TX
August....out of this world long lines, but the heat didn't bother me, LOL.
I'm from south TX.
I've only been around RADP since early 2003, when I was planning our trip
for my second visit...I spend my 40th birthday at the Poly! We went back 18
months later for my hubby's 40th. We've been married for nearly 16 years
and have a four year old and an eight year old. They both talk about Epcot,
MK, Poly, etc...often! They ask when we are going back all the time. :o)
Again, have a GREAT trip!
Jennifer
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Denise
seems to be too little of it, or it's offensive as far as writing, etc.).
The only time I really remember thinking that clothes were out of place
for a meal was at Palos on the Disney Magic. We went for the champagne
brunch, and one couple was decked out in very casual Mickey-Mouse wear.
Even on the cruise (where people tend to dress up), a lot of people go
more casual. I don't see Disney stopping anyone from entering a
restaurant due to clothes, except for maybe V&A. And I generally don't
care what people wear, as long as it covers most of their body and it's
clean. Flip flops look fine to me as long as they aren't beachy flip
flops (and really, its not like I look at other peoples feet anyway).
Denise
Lori Keough
I just had to put my opinion in here. My family and I do not go anywhere
even into disney in just a t-shirt. T-shirts are fine for some but not
something I am comfortable going out in. My dh is the same way, there for
we do dress our daughter as extensions of ourselves. I love the parks and
the whole experience disney has to offer. For the most part I would not go
back to the room and shower and change, it pulls me away from my well earned
and deserved vacation I have paid my hard working money for. Granted it is
not often we choose to go to one of the restraunts that expect business
casual wear but if we did I would feel that either I was appropriatly
dressed. In most restraunts in our area of the country there is a mixed
crowd of people with casual business attire, and relaxed laid back attire.
When it comes to disney, I hope they are careful not to place this
requirement on too many restraunts for fear that some guests may feel
slighted as this is a vacation that many cannot due as often as they like
for various reasons, too far away, too many kids, money needs to be saved,
or cannot get away from work. Disney is about reaching the inner child of
everyone so lets just enjoy it for what it is.
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DizGuru2004
class in the true sense. Don't feel bad, most people don't. The
remaining few, however, understand that class transcends vacation. It
is something that is just "there," always. There is no discussion
about whether or not to wear appropriate attire when dining out...and
no argument about what is appropriate, because you just "know," and
most of the time you are more than safe with that because those
standards will automatically meet or exceed the standards set forth by
the establishment you will be patronizing. You don't suspend your
class when you get upset, when something doesn't go exactly the way you
want it, and you don't spend time trying to prove to other people that
your lower level of so-called class should suffice for a given
situation. You rise to the occasion and show the world not that you
are a lemming, but that you are poised enough to carry yourself with
dignity and grace in any situation, not just the ones in which you feel
more comfortable in your grey Mickey Mouse t-shirt...
To end with the response that seems so cliche but so appropo to so many
of this group's complainers as well as the ones I deal with face to
face on a daily basis: Grow up! Just because Walt Disney World would
like you to feel like a kid again while you are here, doesn't give you
license to act like a child!
Anne - EZ Fun Guide to WDW
Snoopyto wrote:
> Being a regular at Citricos, I don't see the fuss about this. For
> years Citricos has always been "Resort casual". I have always taken
> that to mean a collar shirt and khaki pants or shorts. Not to the
> point of being dressy but enough that you don't look like a slob.
>
> Many of these restrauants are favorite haunts for people who like to
> take their love our to a romantic dinner. If you are surrounded by
> people who are dressed nicely then it feels a little eliteist more
> special. To me it is kind of like going to a wedding in shorts and
> T-shirt. The whole dress code is to preserve the specialness of the
> restrauants. However, I really do not see this as any big change from
> Resort Casual to Business Casual. It is just a name change in my
> opinion along with a few other venues added to the resort casual
> required . So what I am missing?
>
> David
> TDC Keeper Fountain of the Nations
>
Hi, David,
I'm with you -- The job that I get paid to do :-) includes planning
conferences, and I frequently have to deal with questions about
appropriate dress. If someone were asking me, I'd say business casual
is pretty much the same as resort casual. The difference is that with
resort casual, a nice Hawaiian shirt would be an appropriate top for
those khakis, whereas with business casual, the shirt would be more
subdued, probably a solid cotton or polo. Business casual would also
mean enclosed shoes, especially for men, while resort casual would
allow leather sandals.
My thought is that resort casual was being interpreted by guests to
mean that active wear (jogging shorts, tanks, and maybe even
flip-flops!) was okay. After all that is what they are wearing at the
WDW Resort. While we might be a little offput by being told what to
wear on vacation, it does seem to make a bit of sense. Better to know
in advance, instead of feeling uncomfortable at our meal.
Happy day,
Anne
=====================
Anne Easterling
Author of the EZ Fun Guide to Walt Disney World
Rudeney
>
> This is straying OT, but a year ago I went to wedding for a distant
> cousin. it was in a beautiful church, the bride had a beautiful gown,
> wedding party had tuxes etc. I was amazed that there were some guests
> who wore denim shorts and t-shirts. Really! It was like they were on
> their way to Building 19 and decided to stop at Jessica's wedding on
> the way.
I do some wedding photography and have noticed a growing trend towards this
type of behavior. I know many churches have gone to a more casual dress for
their services, so I guess people have just cross-walked this habit over to
weddings. Personally, I believe this is very sad. I rarely wear a coat and
tie and absolutely hat doing so. I am most comfortable in a khaki pants or
shorts and a golf shirt, but when I am invited to a wedding or other type
ceremony, unless it is specifically stated as casual, I assume that a suit
and tie is the appropriate attire.
> So anyway, back OT, I agree with Rodney. Excellent post.
Thanks!
--
- RODNEY
Rudeney
> Okay, Mr Incredible is a bit ticked by the whole "business casual"
> thing too -- mainly because we're taking Dear Aunt with us in
> November and we already told her that she didn't have to buy anything
> special to wear to go out to dinner with us. That said, Dear Aunt
> typically dresses in nice-looking, clean jeans and nicer tops (not
> polos, not tee shirts, sometimes sweat shirts, but they're always
> "dressed up") AND she always smells great (hygiene is very important
> to this 73 year old lady).
I don't see that she will have a problem.
> So, I printed out what allearsnet ACTUALLY SAYS to show it to my DH
> this evening...
>
> "Last week, we noted that California Grill has changed its dress code
> to "business casual". This policy is also now in effect for many
> upscale WDW restaurants.
I believe that THIS is the most important part:
> No hats, swimsuits, swimsuit coveralls, tank
> tops, T-shirts, torn clothing or flip-flops are permitted at the
> following: Artist Point (WL), California Grill (Contemporary),
> Citricos and Narcoossee's (GF), Jiko (AKL), Flying Fish (Boardwalk),
> and Yachtsman Steakhouse (YC).
And THIS is the least important part:
> Business casual attire includes dress
> shorts, pants, jean pants, collared shirts, blouses and sweaters."
IOW, I believe they are trying to keep people from showing up in "beach
attire". Also interesting is the "no hats" rule. A long time ago, it was
considered incredibly rude to wear a hat inside, but then guys started
wearing "ball caps" and apparently popular culture decided that "ball caps"
were not the same as "hats" and it was OK to wear them inside. I disagree.
A hat (10-gallon cowboy or ball cap) is not meant to be worn indoors!
> I interpret that to mean that
> T-shirt = either an undershirt OR a tee-shirt with printing all over
> it T-shirt does not = a nice solid or patterned ladies shirt without
> a collar (maybe these are actually blouses) NOR a nice silk or rayon
> men's uncollared shirt
I would agree with that, but also, I might even say that a nice
solid-colored T-shirt or even one with modest printing on it would probably
be OK. I think the main thing is to prevent people from showing up in
undershirts and grungy Budweiser (for example) shirts.
> Jeans are permitted as long as they are clean, not torn or worn, or
> those dirty-bleached-things
> Columbia shorts / Cargo shorts are not permitted
Hmm, I'm not sure about that. As long as they are neat and not raveled and
holey an worn properly (i.e. without boxer shorts or half a butt-crack
hanging out the back), then I'd say they would be acceptable.
> Khaki shorts, preferably pressed are permitted
> And flip-flops have already been discussed at length -- flip flops do
> not equal sandals
Yep.
> EG
> BTW I could be wrong, but I know that I'm perfect (my husband tells
> me so)
LOL! I thought was wrong once, but then I discovered I was mistaken about
that.
--
- RODNEY
Rudeney
>
> I certainly wasn't looking for this to
> become the hot topic of the week, but it aparently has!
Hey Ellen - congratulations on starting the "Hot Topic of the Week!" It's a
good one!
--
- RODNEY
Rudeney
> "Rudeney" <rud...@mickeypics.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> more of an antagonistic approach were Matt Mason and Lesa.
>
> around things, but will state them as I see them. I try to be polite,
> but some of that is lost via the medium.
Yes, some things *are* lost in the medium. Don't take this the wrong way,
Lesa, but sometimes your responses can seem a bit antagonistic. Instead of
stating your opinion as, "I believe that by allowing your daughter to wear
flip flops which is breaking the rules, you are setting a bad example," you
pose this as questions, "Why are you trying to find ways for your child to
break the rules? What type of example
are you setting?" While you may not have meant for that to sound
antagonistic, those types of rhetorical questions come across that way.
Again, I don't mean any offense to you over this, I am just pointing out why
I considered your post to be a bit more than just an expression of opinion.
--
- RODNEY
Rudeney
> Sorry, but if you have to even THINK about this...you do not possess
> class in the true sense.
Keep in mind that the definition of "class" differs from culture to culture
and that WDW is host to people of many varied backgrounds and cultures. Oh,
and I have heard it said that the first sign of a person who lacks class is
one that points out its lack in others.
> To end with the response that seems so cliche but so appropo
If you are going to use big words and pretend that you are better than
others, you might want to learn to spell them correctly (or at least learn
to use spell check software).
--
- RODNEY
EllenGee61
Ellen :)
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EllenGee61
ROFLMAO! Thanks, Rodney.
Ellen :)
EllenGee61
I was 18 on my first trip, it was April (Easter vacation)! Long lines, YES
(except for Easter Sunday morning)! The Magic Kingdom and River Country
were pretty much it back then! In fact, we couldn't get hotel accomodations
on property, and when we tried to get into River Country, it closed before
it had actually opened and we were turned away at the gate! My dad liked
good meals (how appropriate for this thread), and we ate at the Empress
Lilly (now Fulton's) at least twice! I remember eating at the Contemporary
with Mickey and friends, and at the Polynesian, too. It was a wonderful
vacation, and I have great memories. We loved shopping at Lake Buena Vista
Village Marketplace (now Downtown Disney), and made several trips there,
too.
I've been married almost 21 years, have a 17 year old boy, and an 11 (almost
12) year old girl. My second trip to see the mouse was with my husband in
1985, then back in 1992 with our almost 4 year old son. Back again in 1997
with our almost 4 year old daughter and then 9 year old son. I've been down
for quick trips 2x's just with my daughter when we visit my aunt in St.
Pete. The whole family went down in 2003, my mom and brother included. My
husband took my son down for a surprise 16th birthday last year. I "ran
away from home" last November for a long weekend, and spent 2 days just at
the Festival of the Masters show with my aunt and uncle (all 3 of us
artists). Now anxiously awaiting the girls only quick trip at the end of
August...can't wait!
My kids love Disney, too. My husband thinks I'm mildly obsessed (admittedly
so), but he just loves it when we are there.
Ellen :)
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Robert
back to their rooms to change for dinner, only because if I'm at WDW
and eating dinner at one of the resorts, I've probably already had a
nap and have been in my room for quite some time. :-)
Seriously, yes it is a vacation, but there are many different types of
vacation to be had at Walt Disney World. If your idea of vacation
includes dining at upscale restaurants, then I think making a
reasonable attempt to be neat and clean when you arrive at the
restaurant is not unreasonable. My problem with the policy is that I
have no idea what "dress shorts" are and am not sure whether my idea of
being neat and clean coincides with that of the restaurant.
Denise
> I do some wedding photography and have noticed a growing trend towards
> this type of behavior. I know many churches have gone to a more casual
> dress for their services, so I guess people have just cross-walked this
> habit over to weddings. Personally, I believe this is very sad. I
> rarely wear a coat and tie and absolutely hat doing so. I am most
> comfortable in a khaki pants or shorts and a golf shirt, but when I am
> invited to a wedding or other type ceremony, unless it is specifically
> stated as casual, I assume that a suit and tie is the appropriate attire.
I had to practically beg people to come casual to our wedding! Some
were plenty happy to wear jeans and such, but there were a few ties and
one close relative of mine wore a suit.
But generally, a wedding is a more formal event for me than a
restaurant. And like...if I go to Washington DC, I expect to dress
nicer than a similar restaurant in Orlando (or on Disney property).
People here generally aren't on business, they are on vacation - and
bring their clothes as such. I don't own too many nice dresses or
outfits, there just isn't too many places to wear them (and dressing up
for me is a special event, not an everyday occurence).
Denise
Sandi Femino
"Buttercup Roberts" <mandym...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Agreed Buttercup! Grabbing something at counter service in the parks is
one thing, going out to a sit-down for a relaxing leisurely meal at a is
another.
--
Sandi
Rudeney
>
> I had to practically beg people to come casual to our wedding! Some
> were plenty happy to wear jeans and such, but there were a few ties
> and one close relative of mine wore a suit.
Had I been invited, I would have shown up extra-casual! (oh, wait, I was
invited...)
--
- RODNEY
Kaycee Hannen
equals sweaty? *grin* I agree that it can depending upon the season,
but I've been to WDW when 'park wear' was jeans, long sleeves, and a
light jacket! =) Stinky is entirely different from what your clothes are.
Mark
I so agree with your priorities on the dress code.
I also love the following:
>IOW, I believe they are trying to keep people from showing up in "beach
>attire". Also interesting is the "no hats" rule. A long time ago, it was
>considered incredibly rude to wear a hat inside, but then guys started
>wearing "ball caps" and apparently popular culture decided that "ball caps"
>were not the same as "hats" and it was OK to wear them inside. I disagree.
>A hat (10-gallon cowboy or ball cap) is not meant to be worn indoors!
That's a saver!! This is so true in my area. It seems to wear off at
about 25 years of age though. I've knocked more ball caps off of
students, scouts, general hangers on..... They eventually get the
picture. Nobody at WDW seems to mind my Borsalino fedora (removed at
the door) or my "eared" safari hat (also removed at the door). Some of
the shopping areas confuse me about whether I'm indoors or outdoors.
The shop beside the Little Mermaid show in MGM springs to mind. I'm
pretty sure that in different "open air" shops I've felt indoors and
removed the hat, other times I've felt outdoors and left the hat on.
If there was a member of the military present, I'd do what they do. 8)
>> Jeans are permitted as long as they are clean, not torn or worn, or
>> those dirty-bleached-things
>>Columbia shorts / Cargo shorts are not permitted
>Hmm, I'm not sure about that. As long as they are neat and not raveled and
>holey an worn properly (i.e. without boxer shorts or half a butt-crack
>hanging out the back), then I'd say they would be acceptable.
> Khaki shorts, preferably pressed are permitted
> And flip-flops have already been discussed at length -- flip flops do
> not equal sandals
- RODNEY
I think I have a different definition of cargo shorts. I always called
anything with "extra" pockets cargo shorts. My dressiest shorts are
what I call cargo shorts. You could shave with the crease in them. I
guess other people think of cargo shorts as those floppy, zippery
things that are the de rigeur wear with a civilian booney hat.
]\/[ark, TDC sub-committee chairman of sensible chapography and toy-box
stuffing
Dana P
eat in. I think it's perfectly understandable that people have been
walking around the parks all day, and our hair has been Splash
Mountained and Space Mountained all day!
I personally don't pack "dress clothes" to go to a theme park. I
dress more sporty...t-shirts, work out pants or capri's and tennis
shoes. I'm not dirty looking...worn to a frazzle maybe. I'm guessing
that the people with the biggest problem with peoples attire are the FL
residents that frequent the restaurants without visiting the parks.
ºoº Dana ºoº
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Denise
> Why does everyone assume being in the park before dining automatically
> equals sweaty? *grin* I agree that it can depending upon the season,
> but I've been to WDW when 'park wear' was jeans, long sleeves, and a
> light jacket! =) Stinky is entirely different from what your clothes are.
In October, it generally isn't a problem (or between Oct and March or
so). But 10 hours in a park, in summmer - ick! :)
Denise
calliaz
required. The one time we ate there, the people at the table next to
us were rather casually dressed. The man and son wore blue sport coats
with tan pants and polos. The mom wore a rayon sundress (and a fanny
pack) and the daughter wore something similar. These people were well
off (they were discussing the 16-year-old's need for a new BMW rather
loudly). They were comfortable with what they were wearing and they
were not asked to leave.
M.Stepelton
down shirts. I'm sure a nice Disney polo would satisfy them just fine.
Frankly I wouldn't want to be at Yatchman haveing a nice dinner with the
wife with some "no class" t shirt wearing slob sitting next to us.
If you don't get the point, then YOU DON'T GET THE POINT!
Classy restaurant, at least halfway classy dress. Just what stumps you here?
Just because your on vacation dosn't mean leaveing your "class" at home.
Beleve it or not, it isn't "all about you". Have you ever heard of "playing
well with others"?
<carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> I'm on VACATION! My 'nice shirts' are at home because I HAVE to wear
> them every day to the office. You are obviously hung up on
> appearance... hmmm... I have a poem for you....
>
> Look At You
>
>
> Walking down the street
> Where millions walk each day
> You can walk by so many people
> And never look their way.
>
> On this day, I walk by you
> You're all dressed in your nicely pressed suit
> You slow your pace and look at me
>>From my tangled hair to my tattered boot.
>
> You stare at me, for I'm a bum
> My boots are full of holes
> They're all dirty and very worn
> They don't even have any soles.
>
> My clothes are old and torn
> My face is full of dirt
> I walk a little staggered
>>From sleeping on the ground, I still hurt.
>
> As I look at you
> I see an executive who seems to have it all
> I notice your hands start to tremble slightly
> As you move past me, you start to fall.
>
> I reach out with my filthy hand
> And pull you back up on your wing tip shoes
> As you regain your posture
> -On your breath, I smell the booze.
>
> You smooth out your jacket
> And take off on your way
> No "thank you", no smile
> No "have a nice day".
>
> To you, I'm just a bum
> Whom you'll forget very soon
> To me, you're an executive
> Who is already drunk at noon...
>
> What makes you think you're better than me?
>
M.Stepelton
responses I'm reading here ;-) I eat next to you anytime Rod 8-)
"Rudeney" <rud...@mickeypics.com> wrote in message
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> Dillon Pyron wrote:
>>
>> Do you head back to the room, shower and change, then go to the
>> restaurant? I sure don't waste my vacation doing that.
>
> Actually, if I've been sweating like a pig all day in the hot sun, I do
> generally go back to the room and shower before going out to eat for
> dinner in the evening. I feel more comfortable and I am sure my fellow
> diners appreciate it as well.
>
> --
>
> - RODNEY
>
DizGuru2004
skills regarding words one generation away their original French root.
It's good to know that here, just like in the rest of the world, there
is always someone ready to feed on the mistakes of others. Thanks for
the RUDEney, for the awakening. I will try to give you less "material"
to work with in the future.
Charlie Foxtrot
wrote:
>Sorry, Rudeney. I'm sorry to disappoint you with my lack of spelling
>skills regarding words one generation away their original French root.
>It's good to know that here, just like in the rest of the world, there
>is always someone ready to feed on the mistakes of others. Thanks for
>the RUDEney, for the awakening. I will try to give you less "material"
>to work with in the future.
Yeah, well you missed typing the word "from" up there. Should be
"...one generation away FROM their original French root."
Then, "Thanks for the RUDEney, for the awakening." ????? What the
Hell are you trying to say here? Perhaps, "Thanks for the RUDEney
awakening"? That would make more sense and would have been slightly
clever.
Sorry, gotta pick on you when you're so jumpy. It's just my nature.
Plus, you're dissing my boy, Rodney, and I've got to represent for my
dawg! lol
Now, I'm flying to the Bahamas for the weekend so I won't be around to
see if you get all a flustered over this until late Monday night. But
if you do...
Foxtrot
Lesa
OK point taken. Sometimes when I'm posting first thing in the am pre-cofee
and while being interupted by the dogs who want to go out and in and have
some food and need a drink etc I get a bit quick and type befofe thinking
things through.
>
ca...@cox.net
Dana P wrote:
I DITTO THIS!!!
Patsy
MLK75
t-shirt.
<carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Who said anything about muddy shoes? I have a Disney T on and nice
> khakis, nice tennis shoes. I would rather eat a filet mignon than a
> burger anyday, why should my clothes matter? If they are clean, not
> wrinkled. The price of the meal shouldn't play into it.
>
> I mean Disney charges more than $50 for a one day one park pass, does
> that mean, it's expensive and the guests should somehow be screened.
>
> I think this is a much larger issue. If you look presentable and have
> the $$, this is discrimination. If you don't have a collared shirt, a
> blouse, or a sweater, you can't eat because you happen to be wearing a
> t-shirt. RIDICULOUS imo.
>
> I have spent the day at Epcot numerous times and gone over to Yachtsman
> with my husband for dinner, then back to Epcot for Illuminations. Sure
> there were some couples/families more dressed, but the majority, on the
> days I went, were dressed like we were.
>
> my3cents
>
MLK75
<carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
Card Painter
Nautica, Polo, or Abercrombie Fitch and cost a lot more than a collared
shirt from Wal Mart. My theory is that the people who obey the dress
code, probably tip better. But in no way would I justify any dress code
other than at V&A's. Those resort restaurants have always tried to draw
non-guests in, particularly the monorail resorts. What about people who
stay off property? Are they supposed to shove their business attire
into a locker underneath the train station, then change in a public
bathroom stall in order to grab some lunch????
I'm surprised to be in the minority here...
CJ
(who hopes to continue enjoying Ringes and the koldtbord at the best
WDW restaurant, without having to wear office clothes)
carlson...@juno.com wrote:
> I am worked up. Yes. My 2 favorite restaurants, the ones I frequent
> the most, Jiko and Yachtsman.
>
> I absolutely refuse to wear a blouse or a collared shirt while on
> vacation.
>
> I also get worked up because on my post, and others, someone hears the
> word t-shirt and automatically thinks someone is a slob or somehow
> dressed inappropriately.
Susan McDonald
> I have to agree with Carlson. ... But in no way would I justify any
> dress code other than at V&A's. ... What about people who stay off
> property? Are they supposed to shove their business attire into a
> locker underneath the train station, then change in a public
> bathroom stall in order to grab some lunch????
>
> I'm surprised to be in the minority here...
>
>
>> I absolutely refuse to wear a blouse or a collared shirt while on
>> vacation.
>>
>> I also get worked up because on my post, and others, someone hears
>> the word t-shirt and automatically thinks someone is a slob or
>> somehow dressed inappropriately.
I couldn't agree with you both more. We visit in early December, so hot
and sweaty isn't a concern for us. But, we have had no concerns about
heading to any restaurant (except V&A) in our printed tee-shirts and
sweatshirts.
People are at WDW on vacation, whether they're there for a week or for
an afternoon. Dress code and vacation are mutually exclusive! LOL!
Susan
Alpha
> What about people who
> stay off property? Are they supposed to shove their business attire
> into a locker underneath the train station, then change in a public
> bathroom stall in order to grab some lunch????
It should be pointed out that the restaurants in question only serve
dinner. These aren't places that you go to in order to get a little break
from the crowds and grab some lunch.
It seems like different people regard vacation planning differently. If I
were to book a reservation for one of these restaurants as part of my
vacation planning, I would arrange that day so that I had adequate time to
go back to the room, shower, and change. For instance, that might be the
"down" day when we don't tour a park, or maybe we would tour a park in the
morning, go back to the room, hang out by the pool for awhile, then get
ready for dinner. To me, a meal at one of these few restaurants would be a
special event, not just a place to eat dinner, and so it would be planned
for as such.
-- Alpha
Mike
reservation at Narcoossee's with plans to go back to MK after dinner.
I am dressed in a collared polo shirt, jeans shorts (not cutoffs) and
sandals.
I would expect to take a launch from MK direct to GF, with the dock
practically next to Narcoossee's for about a ten minute trip each way.
If I had to change clothes I would have had to take a bus to AKL, hike
the endless corridors, change clothes, and then take a bus back to one
of the parks and then get another bus to GF (or back to MK for a
launch). Time - about an hour or more.
mike at tuchman dot org
Lee
If you leave your good taste and manners at home when you go on
vacation, by all means, don't worry about the dress code. Vacation
means different things to different people. My wife & I went on our
first vacation alone in 17 years of marriage this year, a cruise
(Southern Carribean). I packed a tuxedo and two suit jackets for
formal dinners aboard the ship. 90% of the passengers wore
appropriate clothing for these events, while 10% were YOU. Guess who
had a better time? WE DID. These restaurants at the Disney Resorts
are for people who want an enjoyable, relaxing dining experience in an
upscale atmosphere. The demographic is met by people who want to be
part of that atmosphere. If you don't care for atmosphere, there are
literally hundreds of places to eat in Orlando. Last I heard, Waffle
House and Sizzlin' Steak house are still come-as-you-dare, so don't
worry, you won't starve!
carlson...@juno.com
Denise
> are for people who want an enjoyable, relaxing dining experience in an
> upscale atmosphere. The demographic is met by people who want to be
> part of that atmosphere. If you don't care for atmosphere, there are
> literally hundreds of places to eat in Orlando. Last I heard, Waffle
> House and Sizzlin' Steak house are still come-as-you-dare, so don't
> worry, you won't starve!
Personally, I go to the various restaurants at Disney for the food
first. Atmosphere is second - and if I am on vacation, I am not going
to pack formal wear unless it is something extremely special.
Not that the Yachtsman isn't special at all - we had several nice meals
there last year. But it still has a laid-back feel, just like most
other restaurants at Disney. Most everyone is on vacation, they aren't
on business (except for those who are part of conventions, and even they
may dress informally). And good manners definitely equal being clean,
and not being outwardly offensive. But I am not sure why a nice, clean
outfit that includes a pair of nice flip flops would bother anyone.
Denise
Lee
>You're just jealous cause you can't see past your turned up nose.
If you could see the pitiful state of my landscaping, you would know
how completely wrong you are!
Lee
.
Well, it wouldn't bother me - its not so much the 'formality' of the
clothing, but the 'class' of the wearer. If you behave well, have a
nice clean outfit, don't stink, don't smoke in a non smoking area, and
don't show off your "super-size" of "super-hairy" body parts while I'm
trying to eat - Welcome, Friend!
John Dietzel
fast food places since collared shirts and dress slacks are required at all
the restaurants.
<carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> I am worked up. Yes. My 2 favorite restaurants, the ones I frequent
> the most, Jiko and Yachtsman.
>
M.Stepelton
It seems the term " 4 star restaurant " just kind of flys over your head.
<carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Denise
> If you ever plan to do the DCL you better plan on eating at the buffet and
> fast food places since collared shirts and dress slacks are required at all
> the restaurants.
It has been a couple of years since my last DCL cruise, but the only
restaurant that had any formal dress code was Palos (and not everyone
was dressed up there either).
Denise
Michelle
worry, you won't starve!
>
> Personally, I go to the various restaurants at Disney for the food
> first. Atmosphere is second - and if I am on vacation, I am not going
> to pack formal wear unless it is something extremely special.
>
> Not that the Yachtsman isn't special at all - we had several nice meals
> there last year. But it still has a laid-back feel, just like most
> other restaurants at Disney. Most everyone is on vacation, they aren't
> on business (except for those who are part of conventions, and even they
> may dress informally). And good manners definitely equal being clean,
> and not being outwardly offensive. But I am not sure why a nice, clean
> outfit that includes a pair of nice flip flops would bother anyone.
>
> Denise
I completely agree with you. This whole discussion has reminded me of
my first real job. I worked at a bank as a teller. There was a dress
code, of course, which included "no jeans". One day I wore a brand new,
below-the-knee, dark blue denim skirt, with a blouse. The manager had
a talk with me because this was apparently not allowed under the "no
jeans" rule. The thing that bugged me was that I knew that I looked
much more professional than the guy who wore a dress shirt with a tie,
yet the undershirt he was wearing was actually a tee-shirt with a large
Boston Celtics logo WHICH WAS COMPLETELY VISIBLE THROUGH HIS WHITE
DRESS SHIRT. But he was not violating the dress code because he was
wearing a collared shirt with a tie. Or how about my friend Frank, who
wore a short-sleeved "polo" style shirt (which HAS a collar after all)
with a tie. How stupid does that look in the front office of a
downtown bank? Or the woman who trained me who wore what I can only
describe as leisure suits for women (with skirts). She was probably
two sizes too large for what she wore and as a result, there were large
gaps between the buttons of her jacket. But since her outfit was made
of polyester, she met the dress code. My point is that I looked much
more professional and polished (so I say, I know, I know, but TRUST me!
And in my defense when I eventually left the bank I was a pretty high
ranking officer) while technically NOT following the dress code, than
these other people did who WERE following the dress code.
I think that on the one hand, you can "violate" the dress code at these
restaurants, yet actually look very presentable, while on the other
hand, you can follow the dress code, but still look (and smell) out of
place.
Michelle
Card Painter
I have to pose the age old question, "What would Walt think of this?"
oj
Snoopyto wrote:
> Being a regular at Citricos, I don't see the fuss about this. For
> years Citricos has always been "Resort casual". I have always taken
> that to mean a collar shirt and khaki pants or shorts. Not to the
> point of being dressy but enough that you don't look like a slob.
>
>
Hey,
I find "business casual" an odd choice of terms, as no business is
going on. I always took "resort casual" to mean khakis and polos, and
that's what it did mean, but apparently no one took that seriously.
oj
>
> David
> TDC Keeper Fountain of the Nations
>
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:21:09 GMT, "ElastiGirl"
> <s...@notarealaddress.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay, Mr Incredible is a bit ticked by the whole "business casual" thing
> >too -- mainly because we're taking Dear Aunt with us in November and we
> >already told her that she didn't have to buy anything special to wear to go
> >out to dinner with us. That said, Dear Aunt typically dresses in
> >nice-looking, clean jeans and nicer tops (not polos, not tee shirts,
> >sometimes sweat shirts, but they're always "dressed up") AND she always
> >smells great (hygiene is very important to this 73 year old lady).
> >So, I printed out what allearsnet ACTUALLY SAYS to show it to my DH this
> >evening...
> >
> >"Last week, we noted that California Grill has changed its dress code to
> >"business casual". This policy is also now in effect for many upscale WDW
> >restaurants. No hats, swimsuits, swimsuit coveralls, tank tops, T-shirts,
> >torn clothing or flip-flops are permitted at the following: Artist Point
> >(WL), California Grill (Contemporary), Citricos and Narcoossee's (GF), Jiko
> >(AKL), Flying Fish (Boardwalk), and Yachtsman Steakhouse (YC). Business
> >casual attire includes dress shorts, pants, jean pants, collared shirts,
> >blouses and sweaters."
> >
> >I interpret that to mean that
> >T-shirt = either an undershirt OR a tee-shirt with printing all over it
> >T-shirt does not = a nice solid or patterned ladies shirt without a collar
> >(maybe these are actually blouses) NOR a nice silk or rayon men's uncollared
> >shirt
> >Jeans are permitted as long as they are clean, not torn or worn, or those
> >dirty-bleached-things
> >Columbia shorts / Cargo shorts are not permitted
> >Khaki shorts, preferably pressed are permitted
> >And flip-flops have already been discussed at length -- flip flops do not
> >equal sandals
> >
> >EG
> >BTW I could be wrong, but I know that I'm perfect (my husband tells me so)
> >
> ><carlson...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >news:1122562963....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> I tried to post this once, but was so ticked, I flicked the enter
> >> button by accident :-)
> >>
> >> I am ticked at Disney right this moment. I received an e-mail
> >> newsletter from All Ears and it talked about WDW restaurants going
> >> business casual.
> >>
> >> OK, California Grill, I get it! The CR has a conference center and
> >> business people tend to frequent it, okay, fine.
> >>
> >> JIKO at the Animal Kingdom Lodge, Yachtsman Steakhouse, Artist Point at
> >> Wilderness Lodge and I can't remember the rest on the list.
> >>
> >> The thing that frustrates me is this... I'm not a slob by any means,
> >> but when I'm on vacation AT Disney World, I tend to wear jean shorts or
> >> khakis and DISNEY T-Shirts. Hellooooo... I'm on vacation! Now,
> >> apparently it is just fine for Disney world to take the money I shell
> >> out for an annual pass every year, it's okay for them to take my money
> >> to BUY all these Disney t-shirts, and it is definitely okay for me to
> >> pay for a room at the Animal Kingdom Lodge, Wilderness Lodge, and yes,
> >> even the Beach/Yacht Club, but APPARENTLY, it is not okay for me to
> >> leave my room, wearing my Disney t-shirt and khakis and visit Jiko, or
> >> Yachtsman, or Artist point.
> >>
> >> However, if I wear a collared shirt, it is okay. Sounds like
> >> discrimination to me, but hey, to be honest with you, who am I
> >> offending? The food? The waiter? Please! I'm not trying to walk in
> >> the Grand Floridian to the fancy restaurant, but come on, creating this
> >> huge list of can's and cannot's is annoying.
> >>
> >> What's next?
> >>
> >> You will only be able to rent certain hotel types depending on your
> >> credit report. Please!
> >>
> >> Ok... flame on .... That's my 2 cents.
> >>
> >
Rudeney
>
> I completely agree with you. This whole discussion has reminded me of
> my first real job. I worked at a bank as a teller. There was a dress
> code, of course, which included "no jeans". One day I wore a brand
> new, below-the-knee, dark blue denim skirt, with a blouse. The
> manager had a talk with me because this was apparently not allowed
> under the "no jeans" rule. The thing that bugged me was that I knew
> that I looked much more professional than the guy who wore a dress
> shirt with a tie, yet the undershirt he was wearing was actually a
> tee-shirt with a large Boston Celtics logo WHICH WAS COMPLETELY
> VISIBLE THROUGH HIS WHITE DRESS SHIRT. But he was not violating the
> dress code because he was wearing a collared shirt with a tie. Or
> how about my friend Frank, who wore a short-sleeved "polo" style
> shirt (which HAS a collar after all) with a tie. How stupid does
> that look in the front office of a downtown bank? Or the woman who
> trained me who wore what I can only describe as leisure suits for
> women (with skirts). She was probably two sizes too large for what
> she wore and as a result, there were large gaps between the buttons
> of her jacket. But since her outfit was made of polyester, she met
> the dress code. My point is that I looked much more professional and
> polished (so I say, I know, I know, but TRUST me! And in my defense
> when I eventually left the bank I was a pretty high ranking officer)
> while technically NOT following the dress code, than these other
> people did who WERE following the dress code.
I once worked for a company with a "no denim" rule. As in your experience,
found, there were plenty of employees that were well within the dress code
but looked very sloppy and unprofessional, while many employees that broke
the dress code by wearing denim skirts or even denim-looking button down
shirts looked just fine. The case with this particular dress code (and I
suspect it is the same for Disney's) is they set the bar just above what was
really expected and allowed because they knew the employees would push the
limits.
--
- RODNEY
Lee
wrote:
I think that in Walt's day, people considered a trip to Disneyland a
special treat and dressed for the occasion. Look at 1950's and 1960's
tourist pictures of Disneyland, and I believe that you will see nearly
everyone dressed appropriately for a 'special day out' - No 'Wife
Beater" T's anywhere! There was no need for elitest dress codes -
people just naturally dressed nice for a nice restaurant, just as they
naturally dressed nicer at Disneyland than they did for the county
fair.
Lee C.
Steve Russo
oj wrote:
> Snoopyto wrote:
> > Being a regular at Citricos, I don't see the fuss about this. For
> > years Citricos has always been "Resort casual". I have always taken
> > that to mean a collar shirt and khaki pants or shorts. Not to the
> > point of being dressy but enough that you don't look like a slob.
> >
> >
>
> Hey,
>
> I find "business casual" an odd choice of terms, as no business is
> going on. I always took "resort casual" to mean khakis and polos, and
> that's what it did mean, but apparently no one took that seriously.
>
> oj
>
whether or not business is actually being conducted there.
I'm really not sure what all the fuss is about. The instructions seem
perfectly clear and, IMHO, don't represent anything extraordinary.
I liken it to the rules at most golf courses that require collared
shirts, non-cutoff shorts, no short-shorts, etc. If anyone's paid
attention, you'd have seen Tiger Woods, and several other PGA players,
wearing some very nice, but non-collared, golf shirts. Are they in
violation? I believe what the golf course is attempting to do is
dissuade the yokels that would show up in cut-off jeans and a 'Free
Moustache Rides' tee-shirt or tank top. I believe Dis is attemtping the
same thing here.
Charlie Foxtrot
>I think that in Walt's day, people considered a trip to Disneyland a
>special treat and dressed for the occasion. Look at 1950's and 1960's
>tourist pictures of Disneyland, and I believe that you will see nearly
>everyone dressed appropriately for a 'special day out' - No 'Wife
>Beater" T's anywhere! There was no need for elitest dress codes -
>people just naturally dressed nice for a nice restaurant, just as they
>naturally dressed nicer at Disneyland than they did for the county
>fair.
Then again, to this day, I dress nicer for Disneyland than I do for
Walt Disney World. It has something to do with California's almost
always low humidity vs. Florida's almost always 90%+ humidity.
Foxtrot
Snoopyto
What is the difference between Resort Casual versus Business Casual?
I can't see a difference other than a change of terms.
Secondly, what would people think if in V&A's they just had a coat
check and you only had to wear your jacket in the door?
To me checking your coat the door kinda detracts for the whole dress
up experience. The restrauants that Disney notes as Business Casual
are those considered White Linen Restruants. Would anyone go to Ruth
Chri's or Berns in Tampa wearings cut off jean shorts and a T-shirt?
I think Disney is trying to protect the dinind experience just as they
don't allow flash photography and other no no int he parks for the
guest plesure. My personal opinion is that once you lower your
standards you loose the caliber. Just as many of you complained after
9-11 that Disney had lost its Magic because it was coasting on hard
times. We expect Disney to maintain a higher standard. Higher than
Universal, Higher than SeaWorld. Why should we not expect that in our
dining experience?
I am open to comments here. I am just me but want to hear other's
points of view.
Denise
> Chri's or Berns in Tampa wearings cut off jean shorts and a T-shirt?
If they were part of a Disney park, then likely I'd go a lot more casual.
I tend to be more dressy when it's a restaurant near home. We sometimes
go for brunch at a golf club near here. I usually am more dressy for
that - not because it is required (some people go in jeans), but because
it's only a couple of miles from us, and I can go home and change after
dining. I don't have to pack the nicer clothing, I don't have to sweat
at a theme park.
Denise
Susan McDonald
> My wife & I went on our first vacation alone in 17 years of marriage
> this year, a cruise (Southern Carribean). I packed a tuxedo and two
> suit jackets for formal dinners aboard the ship.
Being on vacation at WDW and taking a cruise are two very different
situations. We wear appropriate clothing for a WDW vacation. Were we on
a cruise, we would likewise wear appropriate clothing.
> If you don't care for atmosphere, there are literally hundreds of
> places to eat in Orlando. Last I heard, Waffle House and Sizzlin'
> Steak house are still come-as-you-dare, so don't worry, you won't
> starve!
Actually, this may surprise you, but we select our restaurants based on
their food offerings. We respect other people's personal preferences to
wear what they want. We are all there, after all, to enjoy the food.
Susan
>
>
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
>we select our restaurants based
> on their food offerings. We respect other people's personal
> preferences to wear what they want. We are all there, after all, to
> enjoy the food.
>
It's amazing how many people (not you, Susan) say they don't want to be told
what to wear, but then make an exception for Victoria & Albert's.
This Disney initiative is for, what, five or six restaurants out of the more
than 100 that serve dinner? I'd be interested in hearing from those people
what is "the line" that separates V&A's from the other select few?
Seems to me, if you are willing to concede V&A's has the right to a dress
code, you are on shaky ground saying five or six other restaurants don't.
--
Bill Bugge
"Are the stars out tonight?
I don't know if it's cloudy or bright."
Denise
> Seems to me, if you are willing to concede V&A's has the right to a dress
> code, you are on shaky ground saying five or six other restaurants don't.
>
most everyplace else on property is. One doesn't just walk out of a
theme park and into V&A's. I'd certainly dress up, it is more of a
very, very special occasion type place.
Disney certainly has a right to enforce a dress code if they wish - but
they likely would miss out on some business for it.
Denise
Rudeney
> Okay, so help me out here,
>
> What is the difference between Resort Casual versus Business Casual?
> I can't see a difference other than a change of terms.
Maybe you consider them to be the same, but I bet many WDW guests don't. I
would guess that many WDW guests assume that "resort casual" includes
anything they might be wearing into a theme park, which could include grungy
flip-flops, bathing suits, raveled or holey clothing, undershirts, etc. My
thought is putting the word "business" in there might give some of those
that don't understand the intention of the rule an epiphany.
> Secondly, what would people think if in V&A's they just had a coat
> check and you only had to wear your jacket in the door?
> To me checking your coat the door kinda detracts for the whole dress
> up experience.
A "coat" is something you wear to protect you from the weather, i.e. wind,
cold or rain. You would certainly want to hang it or check it upon entering
a building so if it is soiled, you don't get anything in the building dirty.
A "jacket" is what a man (or woman in some cases) wears as part of a suit or
other dress outfit. A jacket is not meant to be removed while dining, and
really, not in public except in certain circumstances where one would "roll
up sleeves" for some sort of unexpected work.
> The restrauants that Disney notes as Business Casual
> are those considered White Linen Restruants. Would anyone go to Ruth
> Chri's or Berns in Tampa wearings cut off jean shorts and a T-shirt?
Probably not, although Ruth's Chris has always promoted itself as a fine
dining restaurant with a casual atmosphere. I see plenty of people at our
local franchise wearing jeans and shorts, but it's generally understood that
Budweiser T-shirt, undershirts, and holey or raveled clothing is
unacceptable.
> I think Disney is trying to protect the dinind experience just as they
> don't allow flash photography and other no no int he parks for the
> guest plesure. My personal opinion is that once you lower your
> standards you loose the caliber. Just as many of you complained after
> 9-11 that Disney had lost its Magic because it was coasting on hard
> times. We expect Disney to maintain a higher standard. Higher than
> Universal, Higher than SeaWorld. Why should we not expect that in our
> dining experience?
> I am open to comments here. I am just me but want to hear other's
> points of view.
I agree with you. There are still plenty of restaurants in WDW that allow
people to dine wearing pretty much whatever they want. I have read many
business publications with studies that indicate that dress affects one's
attitude at work. Traditional business dress codes tend to foster
traditional business behaviors. Business casual dress codes tend to foster
a more casual environment, and a full anything-goes casual dress code tends
to foster a very loose environment. I don't believe anyone is saying that
any environment is necessarily better or worse, but I would not expect to
walk into my broker's office and find employees wearing shorts and T-shirts.
It would not bother me, however, to walk into Home Depot and find that level
of casual dress. I believe this is analogous to dining. If you think about
it, many of the same WDW guests that eat at Pecos Bill also eat at
Whispering Canyon and The California Grill, yet the three have distinctly
different atmospheres. All the dress code is trying to do is foster a
slight more quiet, mannered atmosphere at the five restaurants with a
business casual dress code.
--
- RODNEY
Lee
> I absolutely refuse to wear a blouse or a collared shirt while on
> vacation.
I guess I just don't get it. I, personally, feel no difference in
comfort between a polo-style shirt or a t-shirt with a logo plastered
across the front. In fact, the polo is MORE comfy to me because it's
usually made of that nice, airy piqué mesh fabric and the neckline is
lower than on a tee - not choking me like regular t-shirts do. What's
the big deal? Why are you so uptight about this?
Lee
Rudeney
>
> I guess I just don't get it. I, personally, feel no difference in
> comfort between a polo-style shirt or a t-shirt with a logo plastered
> across the front. In fact, the polo is MORE comfy to me because it's
> usually made of that nice, airy piqué mesh fabric and the neckline is
> lower than on a tee - not choking me like regular t-shirts do. What's
> the big deal? Why are you so uptight about this?
Yeah, me neither. But I also wear a crew-neck undershirt under my golf
shirts. In fact, I have even been known to wear an undershirt under a
T-shirt. I just don't feel "dressed" without wearing proper undergarments.
The exception would be doing yard work, or lounging around the pool. Also,
I am nit much of a jeans person. I actually find a good pair of cotton
"khaki" pants more comfortable than jeans. In fact, the only advantage I
see to jeans is that it is acceptable (and in fact appropriate) to wear them
without ironing them.
--
- RODNEY
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop
Shoo-Bop-Shoo-Bop wrote:
>> Seems to me, if you are willing to concede V&A's has the right to a
>> dress code, you are on shaky ground saying five or six other
>> restaurants don't.
>>
> Victoria and Alberts IS different. It's not a family restaurant like
> most everyplace else on property is. One doesn't just walk out of a
> theme park and into V&A's.
It's different because Disney made it different. Now it looks like they're
trying to make five or six other restaurants different (though not to the
extent of V&A's). What's wrong with that? Or maybe they always considered
them different, but people are defeating their intent and need a little
reminder. There's still over 100 restaurants, including every one in the
theme parks, without dress codes.
Lee
> - and if I am on vacation, I am not going
> to pack formal wear unless it is something extremely special.
LOL. Formal wear now encompasses everything but t-shirts, ratty shorts
and beachwear? Folks, we're not talking formal dress for these newly
labeled business/resort casual dining venues. We're talking EXTREMELY
casual attire - a step up from your usualy grunge. I'm sure someone
who looks neat in a simple 3-button-placket polo (even with Mickey logo
embroidery) or neat, tucked solid tee with neat longer canvas or twill
shorts or long "Dockers" style pants will not be turned away. Puhlease.
This is unbelievable to me how many rtcers are getting their panties in
a bunch because they have to neaten up a bit. I mean, doesn't the
mouse, himself, remind us to shine up a bit in his wake-up call? What
is the big deal??? Perhaps I'm just a more "formal" person in my
day-to-day existence. But, I wouldn't walk around a WDW park in a ratty
tee, ratty shorts and flip flops anyway. I can discern no difference in
how I dress to tour the parks now to how I might have to be dressed to
frequent the list of restaurants. Is there something special and
satisfying about looking, feeling and acting like a slob that I'm
missing? Does it make you all feel especially good about yourselves?
I'll go out to my garden looking like a slob...but that's about as far
as I'll go. Wow. I'm amazed.
Lee
Lee
> Lee wrote:
> >
> > I guess I just don't get it. I, personally, feel no difference in
> > comfort between a polo-style shirt or a t-shirt with a logo plastered
> > across the front. In fact, the polo is MORE comfy to me because it's
> > usually made of that nice, airy piqué mesh fabric and the neckline is
> > lower than on a tee - not choking me like regular t-shirts do. What's
> > the big deal? Why are you so uptight about this?
>
> Yeah, me neither. But I also wear a crew-neck undershirt under my golf
> shirts.
That's how men wear them. Women (like me) are usually covered with just
a bra...
>Also,
> I am nit much of a jeans person. I actually find a good pair of cotton
> "khaki" pants more comfortable than jeans.
Well, I'm a jeans girl. Wear 'em practically every day, weather
permitting. But, I can't remember ever wearing them to WDW - just too
hot and heavy. Much more comfortable in a pair of longer walking shorts
or lightweight capris.
> In fact, the only advantage I
> see to jeans is that it is acceptable (and in fact appropriate) to wear them
> without ironing them.
And jeans, in colors other than blue, can actually dress up an outfit
pretty reasonably. A nice pair of black or tan jeans matched with a
nice polo or rayon shirt would probably gain you access to any
restaurant not requiring a jacket and tie.
Lee
>
> --
>
> - RODNEY
Dillon Pyron
People just flat out "dressed nicer" in the 50's and early 60's.
Watch a movie from that time period. Men always wore suits and hats,
women in dress (no slacks!) and frequently hats. JFK's inaugriation
started the hatless trend.
Yes, people wore t-shirts and blue jeans. But they weren't the type
to visit Disneyland, or even afford it.
--
dillon
Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way
of life.
And a damn fine one, at that.
ElastiGirl
twin?
EG
"Rudeney" <rud...@mickeypics.com> wrote in message
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Rudeney
> Gee Rodney! Are you sure that you're not my husband's missing
> identical twin?
Could be - I've been called "Incredible" before (or was that incredulous?)
--
- RODNEY
Doug Samuel
>
> LOL. Formal wear now encompasses everything but t-shirts, ratty shorts
> and beachwear? Folks, we're not talking formal dress for these newly
> labeled business/resort casual dining venues. We're talking EXTREMELY
> casual attire - a step up from your usualy grunge.
>
A sane voice in the wilderness. I think the benefit to specifying
business casual is not in appearance, but in the way it states the
atmosphere of the restaurant. Yachtsman's Steakhouse is my favorite
restaurant at WDW, not only because of the food, but because of the
atmosphere. It is not a Disney restaurant I eat at regularly, such as
when I meet my wife after work or on a weekend. Rather, it is a
restaurant we set aside for special occasions. Nothing spoils that
atmosphere than a family (with or without kids) coming in after having a
hot "Disney Day" where they are tired, angry and too busy yelling at
each other or the kids to notice anything about the restaurant.
Specifying what is still an informal dress codes, lets people know that
this is a restaurant that is a bit higher level than for example,
Whispering Canyon. And people respond to that, either by choosing
somewhere else, making sure they feel like eating in a more formal (in
terms of atmosphere and service) retaurant or, if they have kids, making
sure the kids understand that this is a special restaurant and not one
they should run aound in, etc. I wouldn't want to go to Artist's Point
and have the diners and servers act like they do in Whispering Canyon.
There is nothing wrong with Whispering Canyon, in fact I enjoy it; but
when I want a nice fancy dinner, I want the atmosphere as well. And
specifying a dress code in a way sets the tone for the atmosphere of the
restaurant.
Doug
Jan Bordelon
>>I don't give a rats arse what the guy at
>>table three is wearing to eat in. I think it's
>>perfectly understandable that people have
>>been walking around the parks all day,
>>and our hair has been Splash Mountained
>>and Space Mountained all day!
>>I personally don't pack "dress clothes" to
>>go to a theme park. I dress more
>>sporty...t-shirts, work out pants or capri's
>>and tennis shoes. I'm not dirty
>>looking...worn to a frazzle maybe. I'm
>>guessing that the people with the biggest
>>problem with peoples attire are the FL
>>residents that frequent the restaurants
>>without visiting the parks.
Patsy wrote:
>I DITTO THIS!!!
I guess you can add me to this "Classless Trio"! :-) If it don't have a
Mouse on it, I don't wear it at WDW. One of the things I have always
liked best about WDW is the ability to have a wonderful meal without
having to get all dressed up for it. It really set WDW apart from the
everyday world....another little bit of the Magic. I guess our list of
restaurants just got a bit smaller because I'll frequent the restaurants
that aren't so picky about whose money they'll take. :-)
Another thing.....I love the way a clean and neat tee shirt and jeans
suddenly become sloppy, dirty, sweaty and smelly just to further
someone's argument. These things don't necessarily go hand in hand, but
it makes some people feel SO much better about their own opinions and
choices, doesn't it? :-)
Jan B.
aka Praline (cuz I'm sweet and nuts)
TDC Hoarder of Piratical Doubloons and Royal Supplier of Beads to the
Beadzilians
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Alpha
> One of the things I have always
> liked best about WDW is the ability to have a wonderful meal without
> having to get all dressed up for it.
But the thing is, this new dress code doesn't require getting all dressed
up. The requested attire is nothing more dressy than a pair of khaki
shorts or jeans and a polo shirt. That's pretty much basic, everyday kinds
of clothes. In fact, probably most people could go straight from the park
to the restaurant and be well within the dress code.
-- Alpha