SUCCESS! Postponment of the FRY CART!!
Ebola Man
Score one for our side!! DUI and affiliates have done everything they
could to stop the fry cart! We have been sucessful. Either the protest,
the missing of the blueprints, or the spilled paint of the construction
plot must have done the job!!
For all of you that DO like the cart---
You really want a Fry Cart in DL?!? Walk across the street you lazy
sack of shit!! I don't care that they sell "FRYS" it's just the big yellow
M that annoys me so much
If you don't give a shit---
Good. I wish everyone fell into this catagory.
Disneyland Underground Intelligence. "that'll do pig. that'll do."
€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€Ebola Man€€€€€€€€€€€€€€
----> http://dui.tannerweb.com/ <-----
(Everything DL doesn't want u 2 know!)
ebol...@the.domain.above.com
K.E.R.
>could to stop the fry cart! We have been sucessful. Either the protest,
>the missing of the blueprints, or the spilled paint of the construction
>plot must have done the job!!
That's funny, I have good word that what you tried to do to the Mc D's site
hasn't made a dent in the plans. So why don't you go back there (make sure
you look straight as you go in the door, no that's not an infered light and
a camera you see, but apporach it and take a closer look at it just in
case.) Oh yes, on a related note, I did everything I could to lower
attendence so I called sick once last year, and the attendance then dropped
3k. It was all my doing! I was sucessful. Either my protest of not getting
an ADO, the missing costume that sat in my locker that I was supposed to
have worn, or the spilled cup of water I didn't clean up the day before must
have done the job!!
BTW, how did it feel to get kicked off of Xoom? (Yes you did).
And for those that care, I'll save you the trouble of looking it up, the
headers for his messge are:
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:43:59 +0000
From: eb...@dui.simplenet.net (Ebola Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney.parks,alt.disney.disneyland
Subject: SUCCESS! Postponment of the FRY CART!!
Message-ID: <ebola-18119...@dialup-164.apc.net>
Organization: D. U. I.
X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4
NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-164.apc.net
Lines: 24
Path:
news.rdc2.occa.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news-peer.gip.net!ne
ws.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!new
sfeed.corridex.com!nntp2.savvis.net!news1.apc.net!ebola
Xref: newshub1.home.com rec.arts.disney.parks:30111551
alt.disney.disneyland:30078285
Just include that info if you send a message to ab...@simplenet.net, AND
ab...@apc.net. If you care, that is.
--
"Open our eyes, and wish on a star in the sky... and keep the dream alive!"
Read my legal disclaimer at: http://24.0.196.117/disclaimer.htm
before reading the contents of this message.
K.E.R. şoş
Thane of ADD, creator of ABMD!
ck...@my-dejanews.com
empty frycart.....GOOOD JOB EBOLAMAN........wat is pRessler going to do
without all the money that he is not going to be making at his McCa$h fRy
cArt..toooooo coooool....i am trying to think of something to do this
weekend.....if i do iLL b in touch.......
In article <ebola-18119...@dialup-164.apc.net>,
eb...@dui.simplenet.net (Ebola Man) wrote:
> For all of you that don't like the McDonalds fry cart in Disneyland---
>
> Score one for our side!! DUI and affiliates have done everything they
> could to stop the fry cart! We have been sucessful. Either the protest,
> the missing of the blueprints, or the spilled paint of the construction
> plot must have done the job!!
>
> For all of you that DO like the cart---
>
> You really want a Fry Cart in DL?!? Walk across the street you lazy
> sack of shit!! I don't care that they sell "FRYS" it's just the big yellow
> M that annoys me so much
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Andrew Della Vecchia
I saw one at the AK, and it was no big deal. Kind of liked it.... Mmmmmmm
fries.....
Ebola Man wrote in message ...
>For all of you that don't like the McDonalds fry cart in Disneyland---
>
> Score one for our side!! DUI and affiliates have done everything they
>could to stop the fry cart! We have been sucessful. Either the protest,
>the missing of the blueprints, or the spilled paint of the construction
>plot must have done the job!!
>
>
>For all of you that DO like the cart---
>
> You really want a Fry Cart in DL?!? Walk across the street you lazy
>sack of shit!! I don't care that they sell "FRYS" it's just the big yellow
>M that annoys me so much
>
Al Lutz
> What's wrong with a McD's fry cart?
> I saw one at the AK, and it was no big
> deal. Kind of liked it.... Mmmmmmm
> fries.....
What is "wrong" with it Andrew is that it opens the door to more of these
outside things at the park. What they are looking at would eventually turn
Disneyland into what you local strip mall is, a hodgepodge of fast food
joints. Granted, probably nicer themed fast food joints, but fast food
strip mall joints just the same.
Now ask yourself - isn't the whole idea of paying almost $40 to get in - to
get away from your everyday humdrum life where McD's is on every corner?
Not wallow in it? ;)
Keep McD's out now, and you keep out the GAP, and all sorts of others they'd
like to sell space to.
And Andrew - they are very seriously looking at that. Honest. They really
do not care that much anymore about this kind of detail, where you forget
about the outside world, that made the place famous in the first place.
Keeping the McD's out keeps the mall they'd like to turn the park into out
too.
Al
--
Al Lutz - [alweho...@aol.com] - FDC & TDC "Deluxe" Chrome Buzz Lightyear
Author of Disneyland Information Guide [D-I-G] http://members.aol.com/alweho
PROMOTE PAUL PRESSLER! - http://members.aol.com/alweho/pressler/pressler.htm
- "Strange how potent cheap music can be." (Noel Coward's "Private Lives") -
Jack Danger
"It opens the door," what kind of logic is that? Disneyland does not
need to set any precedents to lease out its restaurants or shops.
There is no logic to this debate.
A McFries Cart in Frontierland is a great idea and most guests will
welcome McDonalds; I know I will.
-JD
IM TIGGER
>> M that annoys me so much
A "big yellow M"??? What the hell are you talking about?! Have you even seen
the sign with your own eyes?!
That's probably the BIGGEST mis-conception of anyone against this McD's fry
cart, you think you'll walk into Frontierland and see this HUGE yellow arches
sign rotating in the sky. Not even close.
I saw the fry cart at WDW and I had to look twice to find the "M" carved into
the wood on the outside of the cart. This cart looks to be about the same. I
looked over the wall hiding it yesterday, and looks cool! It's a covered wagon
that fits nicely into the Frontierland theme. I for one like McD's fries and
don't mind them coming into the park, especially after the cold, tastless fries
I had from Ghepetto's last week.
As far as you people who cry about the outside corporate world coming into
Disneyland, what about Carnation, Dole, AT&T, Kodak, Contadina, Coca-Cola, Hill
Bros, Federal Express, Energizer, Mattel Toys, and Minute Maid!??
Think about it.
Im Tigger
Dan B :)
(T-i-double-guh-er)
::Boing Boing Boing Boing::
MAIL: imtigger(remove)@aol.com
Al Lutz
> Al- "It opens the door," what kind of logic is
> that? Disneyland does not need to set any
> precedents to lease out its restaurants or
> shops. There is no logic to this debate.
You might want to call your friends who work in corporate JD. They will
explain it all to you.
> A McFries Cart in Frontierland is a great idea
> and most guests will welcome McDonalds;
> I know I will.
It certainly wasn't welcomed in WDW - I have some numbers finally as to how
many complaints it generates daily now. Not just in the unpopular MK
location - which was already pulled BTW - but at the outlet near the
All-Stars and at Downtown Disney.
Let's just say the percentages are eye-opening.
As with anything in this world, no matter what you do, there will always be
an audience for it. People watch Fox and the WB right? ;) Yes, it can be
said that some people will welcome this cart. From what I can tell now
though, a whole lot of others won't.
Speak up if you don't like it, compliment it if you do. I'm betting when
the dust settles the numbers favor my side on this one JD. People don't go
to Disneyland to be reminded of the strip mall down the street.
Jack Danger
If Disneyland's executives needed a precedent to sell McFries than we
would not be having this discussion. The Walt Disney Company does not
need a precedent or our approval to sell products, lease retail space
or any other business decision.
Suggesting that a Fry Cart is the catalyst for food courts and Gap
stores is a fear tactic shouted by the voice of paranoia. Those
business decisions are made independent and will move forward based on
their own merits.
-JD
Al Lutz
> Suggesting that a Fry Cart is the catalyst for
> food courts and Gap stores is a fear tactic
> shouted by the voice of paranoia. Those
> business decisions are made independent
> and will move forward based on their own merits.
I can tell it has been a long time since you toiled for the Mouse JD.
Things have changed, particularly since Frank Wells has died. Like I said,
ask around in corporate. It's a different place now. One that would like
to see how many more lines can be crossed in order to achieve that profit
they need, instead of wondering how to make it all work to the best within
the traditions and guidelines that created such a success in the first
place. It's all about seeing how far they can go. You forgot about
Eisner's former ban on weddings in park, didn't you? ;)
Even AP-abhorring old guard ex-Disneyland management types, [such as Jack
Lindquist] seem to think the customers have more than a right to complain
about what is going on now. And yes, believe it or not, they're being
listened to at all levels of the company. I also understand some of these
same concerns may also be just about ready to pop up at the board meetings
too. Considering how beholden those folks are to Mr. Eisner, that is really
saying something.
The question now JD is not IF anymore, it's just WHEN. I hope we'll all
have the answer soon. The park needs a dynamic leadership team in place
that is skilled in *both* the financial and showmanship areas that this
special place requires to be run properly.
Goodness knows I'm looking forward to discussing the GOOD things this new
change may bring. I'm sure we all agree it's time the talk about Disneyland
returns back to how much of a benchmark they are in the industry, instead of
how they've just slipped down another notch from it.
Mike
> Jack Danger wrote:
> > Suggesting that a Fry Cart is the catalyst for
> > food courts and Gap stores is a fear tactic
> > shouted by the voice of paranoia. Those
> > business decisions are made independent
> > and will move forward based on their own merits.
>
> I can tell it has been a long time since you toiled for the Mouse JD.
And I take it that YOU work for Disney, Al? (rhetorical, must of us
know the answer) Look, I know that you don't have to work for the
Evil Empire to understand what's going on over there, but if you're going
to use what you wrote above as ammo against Jack Danger, why doesn't
it apply to you?
How long has it been since you "toiled for the Mouse"?. Oh.. never? OK.
(And, if you do take the time to reply, please, please! no :
1. "Folks, I think I smell a troll here" or
2. "Paul Pressler, you should be ASHAMED of yourself for
sending your lackeys to this newsgroup!" or
3. "You owe this whole group/me/ ADDers/the world/the universe
a big apology"
or any other condescending stuff peppered throughout, or at the end
of your reply. Thanks.)
Dennis Metcalfe
<snip>
>As with anything in this world, no matter what you do, there will always be
>an audience for it. People watch Fox and the WB right? ;)
Good grief... without Fox we wouldn't have King of the Hill, The
Simpsons and the X-Files. Does ABC have anything worth watching
beside Dharma & Gregg and NYPD (and they are gonna kill off Bobbie
Simone) ... oh, yeah... Monday night football if you are terminally
bored (yep, that was an attempt at a pun).
Dennis Metcalfe
Jack Danger
It is the duty of educated consumers to speak-out against changes in
service, quality, safety and pricing. While I believe the customer
has the right to express any opinion, executives must protect the
stockholder by pursuing a financially responsible business plan.
Under most circumstances, servicing the needs of the customer is the
best business plan.
Executives do not view all complaints in the same way. There is a
significant loss of credibility when complaints go from the
quantitative to the abstract. For example, it is difficult to measure
how a McDonalds fry cart has a negative impact on guests. As my MBA
friend always tells me, if it can not be measured the problem does not
exist.
-JD
>On 21 Nov 1998 23:22:54 GMT, "Al Lutz" <alweho...@aol.com> wrote:
>Jack Danger wrote:
>> Suggesting that a Fry Cart is the catalyst for
>> food courts and Gap stores is a fear tactic
>> shouted by the voice of paranoia. Those
>> business decisions are made independent
>> and will move forward based on their own merits.
>
>I can tell it has been a long time since you toiled for the Mouse JD.
Mom2hann
>beside Dharma & Gregg and NYPD (and they are gonna kill off Bobbie
>Simon
This is off-topic but isn't that new show Sportsnight on ABC - it's based on
Sportscenter and is the best show I've seen in a long time - especially if you
love Sportscenter.
MB,
Fort Wilderness August '98
Next trip: CBR & Poly December '98
Need a pop-up camper? Contact me for details.
Lynn Gustafson
>
As my MBA
> friend always tells me, if it can not be measured the problem does not
> exist.
>
> -JD
This explains a great deal about what is coming out of the TDA building
right now. This mind-set refuses to acknowlegde anything it doesn't know
how to reduce to numbers. While for most of us, the most important
things in life are those that *cannot* be quantitatively measured. You
can't measure friendship or family in anyway the meaningfully shows
their worth. You can't quantify joy or comfort. The big thing in this
context that they're missing is: Most people go to Disneyland for things
that cannot be quantified. So when changes are made that take away from
the 'experience' they associate with Disneyland, they may not be able to
put their finger on what it is, but they know that they are not getting
what they expected. This is one of the problems with the McDonald's fry
cart. It "feels" cheap and in its own small way makes Disneyland less
special. It's the same with the crazy ride schedules; it might be hard
to measure the effect they have on guests, but it lessens the
experience. If there are enough of these "small" losses, the total
experience is lessened to the point where it is obvious to all and it
can be measured. Unfortunately, by that time, it may be too late to
recover.
Lynn Gustafson
M. Scott Garner
wrote:
>AL-
>
>It is the duty of educated consumers to speak-out against changes in
>service, quality, safety and pricing. While I believe the customer
>has the right to express any opinion, executives must protect the
>stockholder by pursuing a financially responsible business plan.
>Under most circumstances, servicing the needs of the customer is the
>best business plan.
And so when analysts watching the theme park industry voice the
opinion that Mike Eisner is too agressive in setting profit goals and
wonders if he'll do real damage to the long-term health of the
company, tell me, who's pursuing a financially responsible business
plan?
>
>Executives do not view all complaints in the same way. There is a
>significant loss of credibility when complaints go from the
>quantitative to the abstract. For example, it is difficult to measure
>how a McDonalds fry cart has a negative impact on guests. As my MBA
>friend always tells me, if it can not be measured the problem does not
>exist.
And that's why your MBA friends will never grow up to be Walts.
scott
****************************************************************
M. Scott Garner
msm...@home.com
The Magic of Main Street:
Enjoy Storybook Land Canal Boats on the web
Visit Paul Pressler's Little Shop of Horrors
Drink from the Fountains of Youth
and more!
http://members.home.com/msmagic/
"Events have a way of following in the footsteps of faith."
- Graham McIntosh
****************************************************************