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Andrea Bertucci

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Mar 28, 2004, 2:54:34 PM3/28/04
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I am going to WDW in July, and my friends and I have decided where we plan
to eat.

Here is the list of my decisions. Please give me as much input as possible!
Thanks!

Wolfgang Puck Cafe
Concourse Steakhouse
50's Prime Time Cafe
Rainforest Cafe
Nine Dragons (China)

Erosion

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Mar 27, 2004, 3:17:40 PM3/27/04
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You don't say how long you're going or what your tastes are, but even
so....

Nine Dragons? You can get better, less expensive Chinese where you
live. Instead, try Restaurant Akershus (Norway) or Restaurant
Marrakesh (Morocco) while in EPCOT.

Rainforest Cafe? The ones at WDW get mediocre reviews. Unless you're
with kids who demand the atmosphere, consider elsewhere. For example,
if you were thinking of a dinner at the Animal Kingdom, go to Boma at
the nearby Animal Kingdom Lodge instead. It has a wide variety of
foods you won't easily find elsewhere. It's a fixed-price buffet.

We like the '50s Prime Time Cafe.

I don't have an opinion about the Concourse Steakhouse. Steak fans
talk more about the Yachtman's Steakhouse at the Yacht Club resort; I
prefer other cuisines while at WDW. For example, Artist's Point, at
the Wilderness Lodge, isn't too far from the Contemporary and has a
more unusual menu.

Life seafood? Try the Clambake dinner at the Cape May Cafe in the
Beach Club resort.

Says me, anyway. :-)

Erosion

Weege

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We just got back yesterday and had a great time at Prime Time Cafe. The
food I would give a "B" and the atmosphere, entertainment, and service I
would give an "A+". The only other restaurant on your list I have eaten at
is Rainforest Cafe and although it was good, I wasn't overly impressed.
--
Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.
It's already tomorrow in Australia.
--Charles Schultz


Adam

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Mar 27, 2004, 5:12:42 PM3/27/04
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> I am going to WDW in July, and my friends and I have decided where we plan
> to eat.
>
> Here is the list of my decisions. Please give me as much input as
possible!
> Thanks!>

alright.. i'd be happy to give some input..

> Wolfgang Puck Cafe

I'd say this is a decent choice for DD dining..While the upstairs leaves a
little to be desired the Cafe has a lot on the menu for just about anyone.

> Concourse Steakhouse

I have not eaten here and I believe I have read some less than great reviews
for this one. The California Grill is one of my favorite restaurants in
WDW. Though it would be more expensive, I would suggest that you splurge
here or get on the monorail and head over to Kona Cafe. (just mho) If it is
steak that you want, the Yachtsman gets great reviews if a little on the
expensive side as well..

> 50's Prime Time Cafe

Our family likes this restaurant, one of the best in MGM. We like the food,
service and atmosphere.

> Rainforest Cafe

We usually eat here once a trip, maybe for lunch at AK - consider the Safari
Club for 15 bucks you get 10% off total bill and a $10 certificate for
Landrys restaurants in the mail..and you get priority seating as a member..
The food is decent and on crowded nights the service can bring long waits
(read verrry long waits)

> Nine Dragons (China)

Haven't eaten here either and really haven't heard much in the way of
reviews positive or negative..Our family would choose the Japanese
Restaurant which is still more expensive than the Teppanyaki we can get at
home and neither is really anything different to try on vacation. but
everyone has their own tastes..I have heard great things about LeCellier,
though, but I'm sure someone else will have a better idea with this one. I
would say that none of the WS restaurants are that great a value with less
than exemplary food, save for LeCellier. Possibly consider a Boardwalk
restaurant or something in that area as it would be easy enough to exit
through the International Gateway exit to eat over there.

Just my $0.02 USD

Adam


Amanda

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Mar 27, 2004, 6:06:42 PM3/27/04
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>Wolfgang Puck Cafe
Never been, have heard very mixed things here.

>Concourse Steakhouse
Never been, but I've been by, it's right next to the Chef Mickey's character
buffet in the Contemporary. Not a lot of atmosphere, but it's supposed to be
reasonably good. If you want a lot of meat and much more of a dining
experience, have you been to 'Ohana in the Polynesian? Or if you're hoping for
a top notch steakhouse experience, an alternative is the Yachtsman Steakhouse
in the Yacht Club resort.

>50's Prime Time Cafe

Eaten here once, food was fairly good, it's a fun place, extremely loud and
crowded, try and go at an off time and definitely make a priority seating.

>Rainforest Cafe
Blechhh. Go eat dessert only. Ask your server for the check when they bring
your food, or you can add another 45 minutes on to the end of your meal.
That's been my experience, your mileage may vary. Even better, just wander
into the place and look around and leave to go eat somewhere else.

>Nine Dragons (China)
I've heard it's gotten really good, very recently, from a handful of people.
I'm going to try it out myself on my next trip.

Bon appetit!

TDC Ginny Favers, Captive Princess of Chickapin Hill
Planning my next trip way, way, way too far in advance:
2004 - Who knows
2005 - Disneyland Hotel with family
Trip Reports at http://www.ginnyfavers.blogspot.com

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 27, 2004, 6:47:34 PM3/27/04
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Erosion wrote:

>Nine Dragons? You can get better, less expensive Chinese where you
>live.

I'll second that opinion. I've eaten there once and have never bothered to go
back. Not bad food. Just not that great.

>Instead, try Restaurant Akershus (Norway) or Restaurant
>Marrakesh (Morocco) while in EPCOT.

Again, I'm with you here. I'd also say try the San Angel Inn or Le Celier.
Bistro de Paris or Chefs du France are also quite good.

>Rainforest Cafe? The ones at WDW get mediocre reviews.

Again, I ate there once and would never go back. I had a chicken breast that
was pink inside. I kid you not. And the server was nowhere to be found for me
to send the food back. I wouldn't go there again if the food was free.

>For example,
>if you were thinking of a dinner at the Animal Kingdom, go to Boma at
>the nearby Animal Kingdom Lodge instead. It has a wide variety of
>foods you won't easily find elsewhere.

GREAT suggestion! One of the best buffets at WDW. Absolutely wonderful.

>We like the '50s Prime Time Cafe.

It's a lot of fun. Not a bad choice at all. Although not a place that I want to
eat at every trip.

>I don't have an opinion about the Concourse Steakhouse. Steak fans
>talk more about the Yachtman's Steakhouse at the Yacht Club resort;

Concourse is OK, but I've never been wowed by it. I much prefer Yachtman or Le
Celier for a good piece of beef at WDW. Another thing I didn't much care for at
the Concourse is that I felt like I was just eating in the middle of a hotel
lobby. (Which you are.) It was noisey and lacked atmophere.

>I prefer other cuisines while at WDW. For example, Artist's Point, at
>the Wilderness Lodge, isn't too far from the Contemporary and has a
>more unusual menu.

I totally agree. And the environment at Artists Point is much nicer than at the
Concourse. Or go to Ohana at the Polynesian. Good food, and lots of it and a
its lot of fun.


Dave, Dallas, TX

"When all think alike, no one thinks very much."
Albert Einstein

JARNJ3

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Mar 28, 2004, 12:39:36 AM3/28/04
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>Concourse Steakhouse

We ate here for Easter dinner 2002. Everyone loved their selections, and
the kids got to make their Easter cookie desserts. Wait staff was very
friendly and efficient.

>50's Prime Time Cafe

We love this restaurant!!!!! We try to eat here each time we visit. It is
not about the food (though the S'mores dessert is our favorite - and it is
huge, so make sure you share). Its all about the schtick. If you get a
great waiter/waitress, you can really have a good time!!!

> Rainforest Cafe

This is my nephews favorite restaurant. We are going this time, as the NJ
Rainforests have all closed. And we want to get some shopping done at
Downtown Disney - so we thought we'd give him a treat. The food is ok -
sort of like a Houlihans or Bennigans.

> Nine Dragons (China)

Not my favorite. My favorite at Epcot is Le Cellier. This year we are
trying out Chefs de France as well. We have eaten at Italy, Germany and
China - and are not too crazy about those restaurants. How about trying out
the restaurant in Japan? At least you get to see the chef cook your food -
sort of like dinner and a show!!

Have fun on your trip! We are only 6 days away from the magic!!!!

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Ed@home

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Mar 28, 2004, 9:10:08 AM3/28/04
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In news:sZk9c.151025$rB4.1...@bignews6.bellsouth.net,
Andrea Bertucci <aber...@bellsouth.net> typed smartly:

> I am going to WDW in July, and my friends and I have decided where we
> plan to eat.
>

> Rainforest Cafe

Rainforest Cafe food is way overrated. It's a nice setting, but the food is
mediocre at best.

Ed


Adam

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Mar 28, 2004, 10:05:41 AM3/28/04
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> > Rainforest Cafe
>
> Rainforest Cafe food is way overrated. It's a nice setting, but the food
is
> mediocre at best.
>
> Ed

IMO the Rainforest Cafe is not a restaurant you go to if you want gourmet
dining, but you do go for the fun atmosphere that most people can't get near
home. My mom loves the quesadillas, The Brave New World bbq chicken pizza
is REALLY good, I think, and I always really enjoy the Bamba's BBQ wrap.
All restaurants in WDW are pretty much overpriced, this restaurant just has
a fun atmostphere for which you sacrifice a good deal of wait time as well.


d3adr0ck

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Mar 28, 2004, 12:11:34 PM3/28/04
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ive noticed that alot of the resteraunts are very overrated, and besides the
specialty alcoholic drinks nothing sets one apart from the other all too
much. being that in mind and it's almost impossible to find a decent meal,
how about having a liquid lunch. the sci fi theatre at MGM has this tropical
drink called a "red lava" and it was the most delicious alcoholic drink i
have ever had in my entire life. it tastes like berries and bananas. they
even put this little battery operated glow cube in the drink and garnish it
with cherries and a slice of orange. i had six of them.

i took a picture. here's the link:
http://photoalbums.wdwmagic.com/showphoto.php?photo=8310&password=&sort=1&ca
t=500&page=1

hope that helps.

d3adr0ck


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Shawn Hearn

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Mar 28, 2004, 5:30:09 PM3/28/04
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In article <sZk9c.151025$rB4.1...@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"Andrea Bertucci" <aber...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Its entirely a matter of personal preference, but I would skip
Rainforest Cafe. That place is overpriced with mediocre food. All
he money has gone into the decorations, and not the food.

~Dana~

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Mar 28, 2004, 7:29:13 PM3/28/04
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I think the Rainforest is great. I haven't had a bad meal yet, and we
eat there every time we go to WDW. I can't say much for the service,
because it IS always slammed and when it is that busy, you can only
expect delays.....never had a mix up on our orders or anything though.


Dana

JackSparrowGa

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Mar 28, 2004, 7:53:59 PM3/28/04
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>"Adam" ajl92...@neo.rr.com
>Date: 3/28/2004 10:05 AM said> this restaurant (Rainforest Cafe) just has

>a fun atmostphere for which you sacrifice a good deal of wait time as well.

Not to mention horrendous service, in my experience

Sandi Femino

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Mar 28, 2004, 8:45:58 PM3/28/04
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In article <20040328195359...@mb-m10.wmconnect.com>,
jacksp...@wmconnect.comnospam (JackSparrowGa) wrote:

Yep...
We have found that while the waitress/waiter make take in your order in
a somewhat timely manner, the food takes a VERY long time to arrive.
This has been a pretty consistent experience each time we've eaten there
at WDW. I think they def. have problems in the kitchen keeping up with
the front of the house. If they were just slow taking your order, you
could decide not to stay.

--
Sandi

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 29, 2004, 1:29:36 AM3/29/04
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Adam wrote:

>I would say that none of the WS restaurants are that great a value with less
>than exemplary food, save for LeCellier.

I disagree with you a bit on this. While I agree that Le Cellier is great, I
also enjoy Bistro de Paris, Chefs du France, Marakesh Akershaus and San Angel
Inn. As to value, that's something I don't worry about when dining at WS. I
know from the git-go that I'm not going to be eating for Applebe's prices, so I
don't let the cost worry me. When eating in a theme park I don't look for food
bargains. Although the Tangerine Cafe and the Yakatori House offer rather good
food at a reasonable price. But I have to say that there are some surprisingly
good meals to be found at WDW, especially at WS.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 29, 2004, 1:31:31 AM3/29/04
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Amanda wrote:

>>Rainforest Cafe
>Blechhh.

I couldn't have put it better. ;-)

>Ask your server for the check when they bring
>your food, or you can add another 45 minutes on to the end of your meal.

Ain't it the truth! Ain't it the truth!

Disneyohdisney

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Mar 29, 2004, 1:46:23 AM3/29/04
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>this restaurant (Rainforest Cafe)

I wouldn't eat there for free. We gave them two chances, thinking perhaps the
first visit was a fluke, but no.....

We honestly had to shout to each other to be heard. We had a constant stream of
people literally squeezing by the table (they are horrendously close to each
other) going to and from their tables or the restroom. The food is standard
meat and potatoes fare dressed up, when it finally arrives. Prices too high,
wait staff must have dropped out of the Disney school, portions are
unreasonably and wastefully large.

The only attraction seems to be some stuffed animals and a rainforest motif. I
can't understand how anyone over the age of 10 could possibly enjoy that place.

Disneyohdisney

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Mar 29, 2004, 1:51:46 AM3/29/04
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>>I would say that none of the WS restaurants are that great a value with less
>>than exemplary food, save for LeCellier.

We've had excellent luck with EPCOT restaurants. A lot is to be said for
theming, and native servers. When you go to Disney, you should take advantage
of what is uniquely Disney. Norway and Morocco offer beautiful restaurants,
great servers, and an dining experience and food you probably can't find at
home. At table service restaurants we have had our best experiences; the window
service (with the exception of Japan) food is perhaps average. As good as
China/Japan/Canada/Italy are, you can get oriental and Italian food steaks back
home. But you can't be immersed in an Oktoberfest with the EPCOT staging
anywhere else in the US. Eating at EPCOT (or anywhere at Disney) is an
experience.

Our favorite remains Bomas, though.

Denise near Disney

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Mar 29, 2004, 8:06:03 AM3/29/04
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I never went back to the Rainforest after the first time - it was awful! The
service, the food...and I remember the mashed potatoes looking like a big
portion until you saw that much of it as a piece of bread it was sitting on.


Denise
Down 48 pounds and counting. :)

tallone

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Mar 29, 2004, 11:24:02 AM3/29/04
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Hello, I would skip on the Rainforest Cafe, the last 2 times there(thought
we would give them a second chance) the service was really slow, and then
slower, and the menu is OK---Dan DVC '92

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Adam

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Mar 29, 2004, 11:18:46 AM3/29/04
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Well, Dave, I suppose I was a little hasty with my reply. I guess
generalizing all of the restaurants is quite unfair. I definitely agree
with you on yakitori and tangerine cafe. My review for the rest was mostly
based on bad reviews I have heard about certain restaurants that have kept
me from really trying any of them anyways as I would rather go with more of
the sure bets at the resorts in most occasions. I suppose my tastes in food
for vacation are a little different than others in that I can get really
good mexican 10 minutes from my house at an authentic place which would keep
me away from San Angel (which I do here is quite good) and the Teppanyaki
was much more expensive (still tasty just not great value) than another
local place I frequent which is rather common to me, but quite good
nonetheless, etc..I had read that the food at Chefs de France wasn't great
so I haven't tried that either, so most of my opinions are based on poor
reviews that have kept me away. I agree that there is really no such thing
as Applebee's prices for anything in WDW so my tastes take me to the
CalGrill and 'Ohana, etc, which are different than the food I am accustomed
to at home when eating out. My original reply was in regards to Nine
Dragons in which I agreed that chinese food, being as common as it is, may
not be the best pick. Evidently our guest this trip enjoys Chinese food and
may want to eat there this trip so I guess I would have a better opinion
from personal experience after that (though it still wouldn't be my first
choice with so many great places and so little time)

Adam "don't knock it till ya tried it?" L


Dave in Dallas

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Mar 29, 2004, 12:25:01 PM3/29/04
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Adam wrote:

>Well, Dave, I suppose I was a little hasty with my reply. I guess
>generalizing all of the restaurants is quite unfair.

Not at all. It's your opinion, and as such is valid. I just happen to disagree.
Nothing more.

> I definitely agree
>with you on yakitori and tangerine cafe.

Two places I eat every trip to WDW. Love 'em.

>My review for the rest was mostly
>based on bad reviews I have heard about certain restaurants that have kept
>me from really trying any of them anyways as I would rather go with more of
>the sure bets at the resorts in most occasions.

And that's fair. Although I would suggest to you to give a few more WS places a
try. You might be surprised at what you'll encounter. Generally most people
agree that Nine Dragons and Alfredos are not what they could be. San Angel Inn
(Although one of my favorites) Rose & Crown, Biergarten get mix reviews. I've
never heard anybody complain about the Tepenyaki restaurant, but most agree
it's the same as any Benihana. Not a bad comparison, but not a reason to make
it a priority to eat there. I've never read anyone not liking the food at
Bistro de Paris or at Chefs du France, but I've read some people not being
happy with the service. For me I've always had good service there, but I may
have been lucky. But Akershaus, Marakesh and Le Celier seem to be hands down
favorites from what I've read. Overall, I don't think that's a bad view of WS
restaurants. About what you'd encounter in the real world when comparing eating
establishments.

> I suppose my tastes in food
>for vacation are a little different than others in that I can get really
>good mexican 10 minutes from my house at an authentic place which would keep
>me away from San Angel (which I do here is quite good)

It is honestly different than most American style Mexican food. Mexican food,
like what can be considered standard American food, can vary from region to
region. Mexican food within the US varies a lot depending on where you are
eating it. Tex-Mex is very diferent from Californa Mexican food. And the
Mexican food in New Mexico is a whole other animal altogether. I think if you
gave San Angel a try, and stayed away from tacos and burritos and went for
something a bit different, you might be surprised. San Angel has the hands down
best mole sauce I've ever eaten. Anywhere.

and the Teppanyaki
>was much more expensive (still tasty just not great value) than another
>local place I frequent which is rather common to me, but quite good
>nonetheless, etc.

Agreed. I've eaten there once and enjoyed it as much as I have any Japanese
grille restaurant. Which isn't my favorite type of Japanese food. I wish it was
more of a teriaki, tempura, skiaki type resturant.

I had read that the food at Chefs de France wasn't great
>so I haven't tried that either, so most of my opinions are based on poor
>reviews that have kept me away.

I ate at the Bistro de Paris just this last December and it was wonderful.
Absolutely wonderful. We ate at the Chefs du France in the mid 90s and it was a
very pleasant experience. If you like French food, I'd say give it a try. I
think you'd be pleased.


> I agree that there is really no such thing
>as Applebee's prices for anything in WDW so my tastes take me to the
>CalGrill and 'Ohana, etc, which are different than the food I am accustomed
>to at home when eating out.

California Grille is one of the few WDW restaurants I haven't tried. Maybe we
will this next trip. I've neard that the food at California Grille is more
"nouvelle couisine" which to me means "pretty to look at, but not much of it".
But I think maybe this next trip I should give it a try. Ohana on the other
hand I tried for the first time this last December and I came away wondering
why I had never eaten there before. Great food and fun place. I'd go back there
in a heartbeat.


> My original reply was in regards to Nine
>Dragons in which I agreed that chinese food, being as common as it is, may
>not be the best pick.

We ate at Nine Dragons once. And while I didn't find the food bad (Like I have
at Rainforest Cafe.) nothing about the place made me want to ever come back.
I'm hearing that the quality has changed, so I may give it another try. But I'm
not going to be pushing people out of my way to get another chance to eat there
to see if it's changed.

>Evidently our guest this trip enjoys Chinese food and
>may want to eat there this trip so I guess I would have a better opinion
>from personal experience after that (though it still wouldn't be my first
>choice with so many great places and so little time)

If you're with people who aren't adventurous, then Nine Dragons isn't a bad
choice. You just have to be ready to spend a LOT more than you would for the
same food at a local Chinese resturant.

>Adam "don't knock it till ya tried it?" L

Good philosophy. ;-)

{{Me}}

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My Choices:

California Grill atop the Contemporary


50's Prime Time Cafe
Rainforest Cafe

Bongo's
Liberty Tree Tavern - Magic Kingdom
Le Cellier Steakhouse
L'Originale Alfredo di Roma Ristorante
Restaurant Akershus

Those are my picks!

BZall

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Mar 29, 2004, 2:04:39 PM3/29/04
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Just a couple of quick notes:

Concourse Steakhouse:

Three years ago, the Concourse Steakhouse took top honors in the latest "Best
Burger in the World" survey. In part that was due to Diane, our wonderful
server, but the burger was actually excellent on each of our standards of
measure. A note of caution: it's a steakhouse -- don't get the Reuben, even if
you have a sudden, inexplicable craving for sauerkraut! The trip report is
archived somewhere on one of the web-sites (Brian Bennett's?).

Puck's:
I have had several dishes there served cold, including meatloaf (sometimes
that's ok for a sandwich, but this was intended to be hot). Don't bother with
the sit-down restaurant; just use the express.


BZ...@aol.com

Amanda

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Mar 29, 2004, 2:18:16 PM3/29/04
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>I've
>never heard anybody complain about the Tepenyaki restaurant,

I will! I will!

They serve frozen seafood for a lot of money, and the time I went, my chef
didn't do a single fun or showy thing with his cooking/chopping.

I also know someone who got food poisoning from there.

TDC Ginny Favers, Captive Princess of Chickapin Hill
Planning my next trip way, way, way too far in advance:

2004 - WDW - Fort Wilderness Cabins
2005 - Disneyland
2006 - WDW - Coronado Springs

SGC

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Mar 29, 2004, 2:52:06 PM3/29/04
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**lots of snippage**

> I suppose my tastes in food
> for vacation are a little different than others in that I can get really
> good mexican 10 minutes from my house at an authentic place which would
keep
> me away from San Angel (which I do here is quite good)

we enjoy this quite a bit and it is VERY different from "mexican" food

> My original reply was in regards to Nine
> Dragons in which I agreed that chinese food, being as common as it is, may
> not be the best pick. Evidently our guest this trip enjoys Chinese food
and
> may want to eat there this trip so I guess I would have a better opinion
> from personal experience after that (though it still wouldn't be my first
> choice with so many great places and so little time)

We were PLEASANTLY surprised on our trip in February ('04) w/ Nine Dragons.
We had eaten there in 1990 and were very unimpressed. But, I had heard that
they now had dim-sum and we were hungry and it smelled good from the
walkways -- so in we went for lunch. The dim-sum was quite nice (not 'quiet'
shhhh, but 'quite'), the service was good (not 'oh-my-gosh' wonderful -- but
we rarely find that kind of service anywhere anymore), and we didn't feel
like it was overpriced. Also, my observation is that there are often local
places that 'do chinese food' -- rarely is it fan-tab-ulous, just regular
and comforting. We thought that what we ate at Nine Dragons was good, at
least as good as the dim sum we used to eat on Sundays when we lived in
Ithaca New York. One item Husband really liked (vegetable dumplings), I
wasn't too found of; but that was a texture versus flavor thing & we've
already accepted that sometimes our tastebuds vary <grin> (they were still
better than the vegetable dumplings I ate 2 weeks ago at a sushi bar in
Fisherman's Wharf San Francisco). The seaweed salad was very good (as good
as what we had in Las Vegas and what I had at the same sushi bar in FW-SF).
I can't remember all the other items, but we enjoyed our lunch and didn't
feel "ripped off" afterwards.

SGC

P.S. -- guess I should say that our single meals at LeCellier and Rose &
Crown, we did fell "ripped off" in terms of food quality. Last visit to
Artist Pointe, ditto.


Lee

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> Adam wrote:
>
> >I would say that none of the WS restaurants are that great a value with less
> >than exemplary food, save for LeCellier.
>
> I disagree with you a bit on this. While I agree that Le Cellier is great, I
> also enjoy Bistro de Paris, Chefs du France, Marakesh Akershaus and San Angel
> Inn. As to value, that's something I don't worry about when dining at WS.

I don't think you could find much better value at WDW than you can at
Restaurant Akershus. It's a great buffet at a really, really
reasonable price...I'd even call it a bargain.

The other good value on property is Boma, imho.

Both Boma and Akershus have excellent food.

Lee

Dave in Dallas

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Lee wrote:

>I don't think you could find much better value at WDW than you can at
>Restaurant Akershus.

I agree with you about your observation of Akershaus and Boma (As well as a
number of other WDW buffets.) But I think maybe some people think of "value" in
reference to their wallets and how far their vacation dollars will go. Most WDW
buffets are around $25 a pop. For some people who are budget minded, this can
get pricey if they are with a family. But I agree with you, for the quality of
the food, as well as the amount available to you, it's not a bad deal at all.
You can easilly do only one major meal a day at one of these buffets and stay
within a reasonable budget.

Adam

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> I've never read anyone not liking the food at
> Bistro de Paris or at Chefs du France, but I've read some people not being
> happy with the service. For me I've always had good service there, but I
may
> have been lucky.

> I had read that the food at Chefs de France wasn't great


> >so I haven't tried that either, so most of my opinions are based on poor
> >reviews that have kept me away.
>
> I ate at the Bistro de Paris just this last December and it was wonderful.
> Absolutely wonderful. We ate at the Chefs du France in the mid 90s and it
was a
> very pleasant experience. If you like French food, I'd say give it a try.
I
> think you'd be pleased.
>

Really, I based my opinion on the Chefs de France on a review a while back
from Deb's site where the food was not very good, and it may have changed
(this one was on the top of my list that never happened for years until the
review made me feel like I wasn't missing anything) I remember reading
about a scallop appetizer that was not very good and maybe served cold and
that the creme brulee was gummy in texture and not very good. Bistro de
Paris OTOH looks like a wondergul restaurant and I would like to try that
someday, not a single vegetarian offering on the menu, though, I'm afraid,
for our guest (yea, i could call ahead to make arrangements I suppose, but I
think with all the other fine dining this trip I'll get around to it
next )time)

Speaking of reviews on Deb's site, I had read a less than great review for
Citricos and I was wondering if anyone has eaten there recently and can
comment?

> California Grille is one of the few WDW restaurants I haven't tried. Maybe
we
> will this next trip. I've neard that the food at California Grille is more
> "nouvelle couisine" which to me means "pretty to look at, but not much of
it".
> But I think maybe this next trip I should give it a try. Ohana on the
other
> hand I tried for the first time this last December and I came away
wondering
> why I had never eaten there before. Great food and fun place. I'd go back
there
> in a heartbeat.

I would say that CalGrill's food is both presented well and very delicious.
While the portions are a little on the light side I would say that in 3
courses you would be satisfied, not overly full. I really enjoyed the pork
tenderloin and polenta sig dish and would highly recommend it to anyone.
The flatbreads are okay, but I would say go for a plated first course for
the best bang for your buck and the desserts are great too, and the view is
the best, but it comes at a cost higher than most meals on property (Save
for V&A of course), especially if you like wine. The focaccia and vibrant,
spicy green olive oil on the table are also really good. I guess if you are
worried about getting full you could load up on those before the meal <G> I
also have to say that we encountered one of the best servers on property
here (Randall) who was extremely attentive yet unobtrusive, I think that has
a lot to do with the great review.

Dave in Dallas

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Adam wrote:

>Really, I based my opinion on the Chefs de France on a review a while back
>from Deb's site where the food was not very good, and it may have changed

<snip>

As I said I ate at Chefs du France back in the mid 1990s. So I can't honestly
vouch for it right now. But the Bistro was in December and it was delightful.
I've heard that the two restaurants share one kitchen and staff. I don't know
this for a fact. But if they do, I would guess if one was good, the other
should be as well.

>(this one was on the top of my list that never happened for years until the
>review made me feel like I wasn't missing anything)

A review is just an opinion. And as the old expression goes "Opinions are like
assholes: Everybody has one." <G> My feeling is base your decision on a number
of reviews/opinions and then make up your own mind. Even with a reliable
resource like Deb Wills site. I do this with film reviews. Even though I
usually trust Roger Ebert's opinions on films, I read a number of reviews on
films I'm not sure about. Ebart and I have shared diferent opinions from time
to time, so I listen to a variety of opinions.

>I remember reading
>about a scallop appetizer that was not very good and maybe served cold and
>that the creme brulee was gummy in texture and not very good.

Cook staffs have bad nights and things sometimes go wrong. I can't say anything
about the appetizer, but I can say I had the creme brulee in both places and it
was great. Not gummy in the least.

>Bistro de
>Paris OTOH looks like a wondergul restaurant and I would like to try that
>someday, not a single vegetarian offering on the menu, though,

I can't say anything about vegitarian offerings anyplace. If something hasn't
met it's maker to be present at my meal, it ain't dinner. <G>

>Speaking of reviews on Deb's site, I had read a less than great review for
>Citricos and I was wondering if anyone has eaten there recently and can
>comment?

One of the places I haven't tried. So I can't offer an opinion. Sorry.

Rodney T. Grill

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>
> P.S. -- guess I should say that our single meals at LeCellier and Rose &
> Crown, we did fell "ripped off" in terms of food quality. Last visit to
> Artist Pointe, ditto.


The one time I ate at Le Cellier (December 2000) it was very good and I
actually thought it was pretty much on-par with similarly priced
"non-Disney" restaurants such as Ruth's Chris or Flemings.

As for Artist's Pointe, I at there a few months ago. I really enjoyed the
meal. I did not feel "ripped off", but I would have expected to pay about
30% less had I not been at WDW.

The only meal I've ever had at WDW that I was incredibly disappointed with
was dinner at the San Angel Inn. It was every bit as expensive as Le
Cellier or Artist's Pointe and we did not like the food at all. I guess we
were expecting "higher quality" Mexican food, such as getting real steak
instead of ground beef or flavored tortillas. Instead, we got a poor
attempt at "gourmet Mexican food" where everything was served in miniscule
portions with plenty of inedible garnishment. We have a restaurant here in
Birmingham called La Pas that does a very good job at serving "gourmet
Mexican" food. Even though I would prefer the cheap, traditional Mexican
food available on every corner, I do appreciate good "upscale" Mexican as
well. IMHO, San Angel really missed the mark. I won't be back.

Our absolute favorite meals at WDW have to be both 50's PTC and Whispering
Canyon. While the prices are definitely "Disney", the food has always been
very good and with large enough portions that we felt like we had not wasted
any money. The entertainment factor is also a plus. We also have enjoyed
most of the buffets, but then again, unless the food is cold or the service
is horrible, I've rarely met a buffet I didn't like (and I am not saying
that because I like to pig out, but because the variety generally satisfies
my tastes).

--

- RODNEY


Rodney T. Grill

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"Dave in Dallas" <dav...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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> Lee wrote:
>
> >I don't think you could find much better value at WDW than you can at
> >Restaurant Akershus.
>
> I agree with you about your observation of Akershaus and Boma (As well as
a
> number of other WDW buffets.) But I think maybe some people think of
"value" in
> reference to their wallets and how far their vacation dollars will go.
Most WDW
> buffets are around $25 a pop. For some people who are budget minded, this
can
> get pricey if they are with a family. But I agree with you, for the
quality of
> the food, as well as the amount available to you, it's not a bad deal at
all.
> You can easilly do only one major meal a day at one of these buffets and
stay
> within a reasonable budget.


The other issue is that there are people in this world (like my wife) who
just won;t eat anything "out of the ordinary". While she did find a few
things she admitted to liking at Akershus, she ended up eating from the
children's selection at Boma. She does like most of the other buffets,
though.

--

- RODNEY


Tony Rice

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Rodney T. Grill wrote:

>"SGC" <s...@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>news:nJKdna8qc-y...@kconline.com...
>
>>P.S. -- guess I should say that our single meals at LeCellier and Rose &
>>Crown, we did fell "ripped off" in terms of food quality. Last visit to
>>Artist Pointe, ditto.
>>
>
>
>The one time I ate at Le Cellier (December 2000) it was very good and I
>actually thought it was pretty much on-par with similarly priced
>"non-Disney" restaurants such as Ruth's Chris or Flemings.
>

I didn't feel ripped off when we ate at LeCellier in Dec 2003 but I
wouldn't put the experience or the food on par with Ruth's Chris or the
Palm. The service was fine but the servers just dont have the knowledge
of the menu and of meat perparation in general that you can find at a
fine steakhouse. LeCellier is very good but it's not a fine steakhouse
IMHO.

Erosion

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On 27 Mar 2004 23:47:34 GMT, dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas)
wrote:
>Erosion wrote:
>>For example,
>>if you were thinking of a dinner at the Animal Kingdom, go to Boma at
>>the nearby Animal Kingdom Lodge instead. It has a wide variety of
>>foods you won't easily find elsewhere.
>
>GREAT suggestion! One of the best buffets at WDW. Absolutely wonderful.

One always has to find a way to mention Boma. :-)

>>I prefer other cuisines while at WDW. For example, Artist's Point, at
>>the Wilderness Lodge, isn't too far from the Contemporary and has a
>>more unusual menu.
>
>I totally agree. And the environment at Artists Point is much nicer than at the
>Concourse. Or go to Ohana at the Polynesian. Good food, and lots of it and a
>its lot of fun.

'Ohana and Boma, while both all-you-care-to-eat, are pretty much polar
opposites. 'Ohana is meat, with a couple of other things cluttering up
the table (rice, green beans, some salad, some bread, probably
something else) while Boma is a buffet of about fifty items, some of
which have meat but none of which are "just meat." It's kind of
unusual to find someone who recommends both -- but then we all know
Dave's kind of unusual. :-) :-)

Whispering Canyon at the Wilderness Lodge is a bit more varied than
'Ohana while not scaring off the timid with all kinds of "weird" food.

The original poster didn't mention any breakfasts. I like a buffet
breakfast once during a vacation. Admiral Goofy's at the Cape May Cafe
(Beach Club) or Chef Mickey's at the Contemporary for characters and
basic American breakfast spreads; Boma at the AKL for a bit more
varied set of tastes, but with plenty of standard American breakfast
fare, too. I'm sure the breakfast buffets at the other deluxe resorts
are also good; those are the three I've tried recently.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned dinner at Spoodles or Flying Fish,
both at the Boardwalk, yet.

>Dave, Dallas, TX

Erosion, running on....

Dave in Dallas

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Erosion wrote:

>'Ohana and Boma, while both all-you-care-to-eat, are pretty much polar
>opposites.

Very true. I didn't mean to imply that they were similar in any way. Other than
being really fun, quality dining experiences.

> It's kind of
>unusual to find someone who recommends both -- but then we all know
>Dave's kind of unusual. :-) :-)

Little old me? Unusual? Just because I'm sitting here in my propeller beanie
and fuzzy slippers, why do you think I'm unusual? <G>

Actually, although I am far from a "foodie" I enjoy a wide variety of types of
food styles. I recomend Ohana and Boma not in spite of their differences, but
because of their differences. The common bond they share is good quality in the
food offerings.

>Whispering Canyon at the Wilderness Lodge is a bit more varied than
>'Ohana while not scaring off the timid with all kinds of "weird" food.

While I really like Whispering Canyon a whole lot, what about Ohana would scare
off the timid? I could see you saying that about the old menu at Artist's
Point, with their specializing in game meats, but what at Ohana is all that
unusual? Other than the manner in which the food is served?

>The original poster didn't mention any breakfasts. I like a buffet
>breakfast once during a vacation.

That's the one thing I've never done, food wise, at WDW: A breakfast buffet.
Food to me in the morning is like having to look closely at day old road kill.
Utterly repulsive to me. I have to be up a few hours before I can muster up an
interest in food. And by the time I'm ready for food, all the breakfasts are
long gone. Too bad, as I've heard some of the breakfast buffets are really
good. <sigh>

>I'm surprised no one's mentioned dinner at Spoodles or Flying Fish,
>both at the Boardwalk, yet.

For some reason, we've never eaten at any of the restaurants on the Boardwalk.
We always mean to, but just never get around to it. Someday we will. It's nice
to know that there are still some "firsts" for us to explore at WDW.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 12:41:45 AM3/30/04
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Rodney T. Grill wrote:

>The other issue is that there are people in this world (like my wife) who
>just won;t eat anything "out of the ordinary".

I have a couple of friends who are like that, and they keep saying that they
want to go to WDW with us sometime. We finally just had to be honest and say
that the whole eating thing wouldn't make us good travel companions. One friend
will eat anything as long as it's chicken fried steak and mashed potatos. The
other won't eat anything remotely green and leafy. (His fieance is just as
picky.) If we ever do travel to WDW together I think we'll have to split up at
meal times. Sad, because dining is my favorite thing to do at WDW. More than
going on the rides.

SGC

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"Rodney T. Grill" <rod...@grill.org> wrote in message
news:20040329171653.091$R...@news.newsreader.com...

> "SGC" <s...@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:nJKdna8qc-y...@kconline.com...
> >
> > P.S. -- guess I should say that our single meals at LeCellier and Rose &
> > Crown, we did fell "ripped off" in terms of food quality. Last visit to
> > Artist Pointe, ditto.
>
>
> The one time I ate at Le Cellier (December 2000) it was very good and I
> actually thought it was pretty much on-par with similarly priced
> "non-Disney" restaurants such as Ruth's Chris or Flemings.
>
> As for Artist's Pointe, I at there a few months ago. I really enjoyed the
> meal. I did not feel "ripped off", but I would have expected to pay about
> 30% less had I not been at WDW.

At both Le Cellier and at Artist's Pointe it was the quality of the steak
that made us feel 'ripped off' (that's probably actually too strong of a
term -- we expected better quality and better cut of meat based on reviews
and pricing).

At Le Cellier (I don't remember which steak we had) and at Artist's Pointe
(buffalo steak), the meat was not tender and it had quite a bit of
tough/difficult to chew connective tissue. The FLAVOR of the chewable
portions was quite good in both instances.

I will confess that we've probably been spoiled in terms of good beef --
Scottish Highlands are raised locally (w/out hormones or additives; mostly
feed corn because corn is so inexpensive & the beef producer also grows a
lot of corn) and we have access to the steaks, ribeyes & filets (maybe 2x
per year). Very good, very tender, very flavorful -- with only a bit of salt
and white pepper for seasoning.

SGC


Erosion

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dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas) wrote:
> Erosion wrote:
> >Whispering Canyon at the Wilderness Lodge is a bit more varied than
> >'Ohana while not scaring off the timid with all kinds of "weird" food.
>
> While I really like Whispering Canyon a whole lot, what about Ohana would scare
> off the timid?

Sorry, one of my faults is a tendency toward excessive terseness at
times.... Let's try a rewrite:

"Wilderness Canyon at the Wilderness Lodge is a bit more varied than
'Ohana, while not going to the extremes of Boma, which scares off some
timid eaters with its reputation for all kinds of 'weird' food."

Upon further reflection, I should note that many other "all you care
to eat" meals at WDW fall into that same space between 'Ohana and
Boma; I just haven't eaten at them recently (if ever). I don't mean to
slight Hollywood & Vine, the Crystal Palace, or dinner at the Liberty
Tree Tavern, for instance; I have no opinion of them.

Lee

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dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas) wrote in message news:<20040329151632...@mb-m10.aol.com>...

> Lee wrote:
>
> >I don't think you could find much better value at WDW than you can at
> >Restaurant Akershus.
>
> I agree with you about your observation of Akershaus and Boma (As well as a
> number of other WDW buffets.) But I think maybe some people think of "value" in
> reference to their wallets and how far their vacation dollars will go. Most WDW
> buffets are around $25 a pop. For some people who are budget minded, this can
> get pricey if they are with a family.
> Dave, Dallas, TX

You can get the lunch Akershus buffet until 4:30 pm for only $13.99
per person...that's a BARGAIN!!! Have a late lunch there and then you
can get by with just a snack later on in the evening.

I don't get the whole "picky eater" thing, so if it doesn't work for
some people, oh well.

Lee

Lee

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dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas) wrote in message news:<20040329122501...@mb-m06.aol.com>...

> California Grille is one of the few WDW restaurants I haven't tried. Maybe we
> will this next trip. I've neard that the food at California Grille is more
> "nouvelle couisine" which to me means "pretty to look at, but not much of it".

Oh...you should try it, if you appreciate fine food. If you go in and
only order an entree, then it might not be enough food. I really don't
remember the entrees to be small, but when we dine there, we order
multiple courses. So, combined with a shared flatbread, an appetizer
and dessert, the entrees are the perfect size. By themselves, maybe
not. California Grill is not a place to watch your budget - it's a
place to go all out and savor a fine meal over an exceptional bottle
of wine. The place is pricey done right. If my budget is on the tight
side, I'd rather just skip CG than to do it half-assed.

Lee

Doctor Don

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> "Andrea Bertucci" <aber...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<sZk9c.151025$rB4.1...@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
> > I am going to WDW in July, and my friends and I have decided where we plan
> > to eat.
> >
> > Here is the list of my decisions. Please give me as much input as possible!
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Wolfgang Puck Cafe
> > Concourse Steakhouse
> > 50's Prime Time Cafe
> > Rainforest Cafe
> > Nine Dragons (China)
>
> My Choices:
>
> California Grill atop the Contemporary

Not bad, if you go for nouvelle; I like a little more food on my
plate.

> 50's Prime Time Cafe

While I appreciate this, I have a real problem spending $10 for
meatloaf on a melamine plate. I guess this is one of those places
everybody has to try - once.

> Rainforest Cafe

I'm from Chicago, and I can drive to three of them within an hour. Be
prepared; the "show" aspect isn't even close to Disney, and the food
is nothing to write home about either. Another place that everybody
has to try -- once.

> Bongo's

This is a good choice if you have adventurous people willing to try
ethnic fare.


> Liberty Tree Tavern - Magic Kingdom

OK, but again, that pot roast can get expensive.

> Le Cellier Steakhouse

YAY! A great and unheralded find. Good steaks, great cheese soup,
and a really great staff the last time I was there.

> L'Originale Alfredo di Roma Ristorante

A little pricy for pasta, but it's really good pasta. And the setting
is top-notch.

> Restaurant Akershus

I nver thought I liked herring until I had it here (and it's still the
only place I eat it). There is plenty here to eat besides that,
though.

>
> Those are my picks!

Also, let me join the chorus o those who were less than impressed with
BdP last time I was there. Poor food quality, poor service(both
spotty and snotty), high prices.

Others to stay away from:
Sci-Fi Drive-In -- I like to SEE my food.
Tony's (MK) -- got to the Italy pavilion of you want overpriced pasta.

Good food on the run: Sommerfest(?) in Germany has great brats, good
eggrolls in China, Cosmic Rays in MK (good selection, too); ABC
Commissary (good sandwiches) and Pizzafari (same here).

Others to consider:

Yachtsmen Steakhouse -- best steak I've had in FL
Shula's -- close 2nd for best steak I've had in FL
Brown Derby -- the most impressed I've been at WDW in years.

Menus can be found at www.allearsnet.com, and the Unofficial Guide has
more information as well.

Good luck.

Doctor Don

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 11:54:23 AM3/30/04
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Lee wrote:

re: California Grille

>Oh...you should try it, if you appreciate fine food. If you go in and
>only order an entree, then it might not be enough food.

Yeah, I've heard nothing but good stuff about this place. It's definately on my
list of "Must do" places to eat. And no, I never just order an entree. I
usually do the "soup to nuts" when I dine. Ordering an entree only is like
spending an afternoon at the Magic Kingdom and thinking you have seen all of
WDW.

>So, combined with a shared flatbread, an appetizer
>and dessert, the entrees are the perfect size.

That's great to know. Thanks for the info.

>California Grill is not a place to watch your budget - it's a
>place to go all out and savor a fine meal over an exceptional bottle
>of wine.

I really am not budget concious when I go to a nice restaruant. I'm there for
the experience as much as I'm there to fill my stomach.

>If my budget is on the tight
>side, I'd rather just skip CG than to do it half-assed.

Most certainly. Thanks for the info.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 12:09:12 PM3/30/04
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Doctor Don wrote:

>> 50's Prime Time Cafe
>
>While I appreciate this, I have a real problem spending $10 for
>meatloaf on a melamine plate.

But it's SUCH GOOD meatloaf. At a local comfort food place we go to, a meatloaf
dinner is around $8. So Prime time isn't really all that much out of line. And
by the way, they serve on Fiesta dinnerware, not Melamine. <G> BIG difference.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 12:11:46 PM3/30/04
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Lee wrote:

>You can get the lunch Akershus buffet until 4:30 pm for only $13.99
>per person...that's a BARGAIN!!! Have a late lunch there and then you
>can get by with just a snack later on in the evening.

We've done the late lunch thing in the past and you're right, it's turned out
to be a really good deal. My problem is that I don't eat much during the day. I
often go the whole day without eating more and a couple of pieces of fruit or a
yogurt. So I'm not really up to eating a big meal until 7 to 8 PM.

Patty Winter

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In article <20040330004145...@mb-m28.aol.com>,

Dave in Dallas <dav...@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
>
> If we ever do travel to WDW together I think we'll have to split up at
>meal times. Sad, because dining is my favorite thing to do at WDW. More than
>going on the rides.

LOL--I've been working out what I want to do during my December WDW
trip, and I've found myself thinking, "Okay, I can have lunch here
and dinner here, and in between, I'll take the monorail somewhere and
do some rides." ;-) One must have one's priorities!


Patty

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 12:16:30 PM3/30/04
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Erosion wrote:

>"Wilderness Canyon at the Wilderness Lodge is a bit more varied than
>'Ohana, while not going to the extremes of Boma, which scares off some
>timid eaters with its reputation for all kinds of 'weird' food."

Gotcha! Too bad that there are some people who are skittish about what they
may find at Boma. The food they serve isn't really all that exotic or "weird".
Just good. It's not like they are serving organ meats.

>I don't mean to
>slight Hollywood & Vine, the Crystal Palace, or dinner at the Liberty
>Tree Tavern, for instance; I have no opinion of them.

I haven't eaten at the Crystal Palace in years. In fact I think the last time I
ate there was before they went all-you-can-eat. But as for Hollywood & Vine and
Liberty Tree Tavern, I think both places are quite good. In fact I put up with
Liberty Tree being a character meal because the food is so enjoyable. That's
how much I like this place.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 12:18:49 PM3/30/04
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Patty Winter wrote:

>LOL--I've been working out what I want to do during my December WDW
>trip, and I've found myself thinking, "Okay, I can have lunch here
>and dinner here, and in between, I'll take the monorail somewhere and
>do some rides." ;-) One must have one's priorities!

That's EXACTLLY how we plan our WDW trips. We choose what park we are going to
visit focused around where we are going to eat. Priorities are important. You
got that right!

Sandi Femino

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In article <20040330003132...@mb-m28.aol.com>,
dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas) wrote:

> That's the one thing I've never done, food wise, at WDW: A breakfast
> buffet.
> Food to me in the morning is like having to look closely at day old road
> kill.
> Utterly repulsive to me. I have to be up a few hours before I can muster
> up an
> interest in food. And by the time I'm ready for food, all the breakfasts
> are
> long gone. Too bad, as I've heard some of the breakfast buffets are
> really
> good. <sigh>


I want coffee as soon as possible after awakening, but agree with you
about food. That's why we typically treat a breakfast buffet as brunch,
eating after doing some attractions, etc. Of course it depends on when
you get get up and get to a park, but booking the last seating at CP in
MK has always been a great strategy for us.

--
Sandi

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 30, 2004, 1:00:55 PM3/30/04
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Sandi Femino wrote:

>I want coffee as soon as possible after awakening, but agree with you
>about food.

Right on! Coffee IS food, as far as I'm concerned.

>That's why we typically treat a breakfast buffet as brunch,
>eating after doing some attractions, etc.

I'm not usually a morning person at all. But this last December we got our
butts out of bed and were at the MK at opening. We were AMAZED at how much we
did in such a short time. Then about 10:30/11 we felt like food and went for a
sandwich at Harbor Hourse thinking all breakfast/brunch options would have been
long gone.

>Of course it depends on when
>you get get up and get to a park, but booking the last seating at CP in
>MK has always been a great strategy for us.

Cool idea! What is the last seating at CP? That might be a way to work brunch
in the future. Thanks for the idea.

Sandi Femino

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Mar 30, 2004, 2:51:13 PM3/30/04
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In article <20040330130055...@mb-m02.aol.com>,
dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas) wrote:

> Sandi Femino wrote:

> I'm not usually a morning person at all. But this last December we got
> our
> butts out of bed and were at the MK at opening. We were AMAZED at how
> much we
> did in such a short time. Then about 10:30/11 we felt like food and went
> for a
> sandwich at Harbor Hourse thinking all breakfast/brunch options would
> have been
> long gone.

Isn't it amazing how much you can do early? We like to go early, then
take a mid-day break /nap, then back for more in the PM.


>
> >Of course it depends on when
> >you get get up and get to a park, but booking the last seating at CP in
> >MK has always been a great strategy for us.
>
> Cool idea! What is the last seating at CP? That might be a way to work
> brunch
> in the future. Thanks for the idea.

We book for about 10:30 or 10:45. As you say, just when the parks start
to crowd-By then we are hungry and ready for a break.

--
Sandi

Jennifer

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Mar 30, 2004, 6:02:01 PM3/30/04
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On 30 Mar 2004 17:18:49 GMT, dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas)

wrote:
>>LOL--I've been working out what I want to do during my December WDW
>>trip, and I've found myself thinking, "Okay, I can have lunch here
>>and dinner here, and in between, I'll take the monorail somewhere and
>>do some rides." ;-) One must have one's priorities!
>
>That's EXACTLLY how we plan our WDW trips. We choose what park we are going to
>visit focused around where we are going to eat. Priorities are important. You
>got that right!

When I was look at the calendar of our days at WDW I first started
with my early entry days, THEN I did all my meals! Being from New
Orleans, food is rather top priority for us so we always plan around
meals. :-)

I have family in Philly and talked my hubby into going because
Morrimoto's restaurant is there. :)) If it isn't about the food
then what is it about? :)

Jen

Amanda

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Mar 30, 2004, 6:47:25 PM3/30/04
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> If we ever do travel to WDW together I think we'll have to split up at
>meal times.

Take them with you, just let them order off the kid's menu! That's what my
teenage niece did, she was almost 20 years old at the time. Everywhere we
went, she ordered kid's chicken nuggets, or at the buffets she wents to the
kid's tables. It was hilarious.

TDC Ginny Favers, Captive Princess of Chickapin Hill
Planning my next trip way, way, way too far in advance:
2004 - WDW - Fort Wilderness Cabins
2005 - Disneyland
2006 - WDW - Coronado Springs
Trip Reports at http://www.ginnyfavers.blogspot.com

Amanda

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Mar 30, 2004, 6:51:37 PM3/30/04
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>And
>by the way, they serve on Fiesta dinnerware, not Melamine.

Hey, I serve my meatloaf on Fiesta dinnerware, too!

Anyone want to stop by and give me $10 for a slice? I'll make you wash your
hands first and tell me what color the soap was.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:18:10 AM3/31/04
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Sandi Femino wrote:

>Isn't it amazing how much you can do early?

Yeah I agree. And as a pin hunter, I find I get some of my best trades early in
the AM. But not being a morning person, this takes SO much discipline for me to
get up and get going to the parks. But the pay off is well worth it.

re: Crystal Palace breakfast PS

>We book for about 10:30 or 10:45. As you say, just when the parks start
>to crowd-By then we are hungry and ready for a break.

WOW! I didn't know they had breakfast seatings that late. What a great tip.
I'll definately give it a try next trip. Thanks.

Ted Ansley

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Mar 31, 2004, 12:58:06 AM3/31/04
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Man does it make me angry when people are so stuck in their comfy little
world that they don't anything but basic american food. It is a tragedy! It
actually makes me angry that people are so narrow minded..... Cone on
people WAKE UP! There are so many types of great food, from ALL over the
world.

--------------------------
Ted Ansley
ans...@usa.com
RollerCoaster Fan<atic>

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:20:17 AM3/31/04
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Jennifer wrote:

>If it isn't about the food
>then what is it about? :)

I find I'm that way about anywhere I travel. Not just WDW. To me, half the fun
of travel is to try things I wouldn't get a chance to try at home. The very
last place I'd ever eat is at a chain restaurant when I'm away from home.

Ted Ansley

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:00:56 AM3/31/04
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On 29 Mar 2004 06:46:23 GMT, disneyo...@aol.com (Disneyohdisney) wrote:

>>this restaurant (Rainforest Cafe)
>
>I wouldn't eat there for free. We gave them two chances, thinking perhaps the
>first visit was a fluke, but no.....
>
>We honestly had to shout to each other to be heard. We had a constant stream of
>people literally squeezing by the table (they are horrendously close to each
>other) going to and from their tables or the restroom. The food is standard
>meat and potatoes fare dressed up, when it finally arrives. Prices too high,
>wait staff must have dropped out of the Disney school, portions are
>unreasonably and wastefully large.
>
>The only attraction seems to be some stuffed animals and a rainforest motif. I
>can't understand how anyone over the age of 10 could possibly enjoy that place.

We've eatin at about 10 different Rainforest on maybe 20 occasions and had
wonderful food and service, except for once and that wasn't at Disney. They
have a good menu, with variety, and some interesting dishes IMHO. I find
the food better than just about any other themed restaurant I've visited.
We are most definitely big fans of Rainforest......thought I'd offer an
alternative opinion.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:22:08 AM3/31/04
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Amanda wrote:

>> If we ever do travel to WDW together I think we'll have to split up at
>>meal times.
>
>Take them with you, just let them order off the kid's menu! That's what my
>teenage niece did, she was almost 20 years old at the time.

Knowing these folks, they'd probably get picky over the chicken nuggets. <G>

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:23:30 AM3/31/04
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Amanda wrote:

>Hey, I serve my meatloaf on Fiesta dinnerware, too!

EVERYTHING is better on Fiesta dinnerware. Even my cats eat out of Fiesta
bowls. (Honest truth.)

Bob Richmond

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Mar 31, 2004, 3:01:31 AM3/31/04
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Dave,

>> Chefs du France...the Bistro...I've heard that the two restaurants
share one kitchen and staff. <<

The kitchen and cooks are always shared. The greeters sometime switch
and the servers seldom switch. However an international exchange server
that starts at Chefs may move up (figuratively and literally) to the
Bistro.

--
Bob Richmond
Remove "SPAMBEGONE" to reply by EMail.

"... well uh, this is MY dream!" - Mickey Mouse in Fantasmic!


duchy

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"Amanda" <ginny...@aol.comspamster> wrote in message
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> > If we ever do travel to WDW together I think we'll have to split up at
> >meal times.
>
> Take them with you, just let them order off the kid's menu! That's what
my
> teenage niece did, she was almost 20 years old at the time. Everywhere we
> went, she ordered kid's chicken nuggets, or at the buffets she wents to
the
> kid's tables. It was hilarious.
>
I can see that's going to be my by then 13 year old son on our next trip in
January. Forget veggies, forget sauces. I love the buffets but it's gonna
hurt to pay adult price for him for the small amount and variety of food
he'll eat. I'm sure he'll want the kids meals from the non table service
places so I'm guessing I'll still come out under budget .
He likes the idea of room delivery pizza at POP however <rolls eyes>.
I can see this kid living for 2 weeks on prime rib from the buffets and
pizza !! ;) Oh well......we'll keep the "you're allowed not to like
something but you have to try it first" rule at the buffets and maybe we'll
find some new favourites.
When planning on one sit-down meal a day is $100 a day for two a reasonable
budget. Any thoughts?

duchy


duchy

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Mar 31, 2004, 4:16:35 AM3/31/04
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"Ted Ansley" <ans...@usa.com> wrote in message > Man does it make me angry

when people are so stuck in their comfy little
> world that they don't anything but basic american food. It is a tragedy!
It
> actually makes me angry that people are so narrow minded.....

"A tragedy" ???
If what other people choose to eat/not to eat is a tragedy in your life-you
are a very lucky man Ted.
Many people have far greater tragedies to deal with and get angry about than
what the guy at the next table is shoving down his throat !!
Sheesh

duchy.


Randy Berbaum

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Mar 31, 2004, 5:51:10 AM3/31/04
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duchy <duch...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:


: "A tragedy" ???


: If what other people choose to eat/not to eat is a tragedy in your
: life-you are a very lucky man Ted.
: Many people have far greater tragedies to deal with and get angry about
: than what the guy at the next table is shoving down his throat !!
: Sheesh

: duchy.

I agree. What some people do not understand is that for some of us
"eating" is not done to have a near orgasmic experience, but to keep the
guts from growling. Nearly anything will do this. And once a particular
food item is found to be "good" there is no reason to not enjoy eating
that as often as possible. If the taste is pleasing or simply not
objectionable, and the digestive system does not have a problem with it,
and the food value can power the body for the requisite time, There is
nothing wrong with enjoying it as often as you want.

On the other hand, if the taste, texture, or proportions are not
satisfying or an "experiment" could cause a miserable day (or worse a day
of being too ill to leave your resort), why run the risk. This is not
because a "strange" food is bad, or incorrectly prepaired, but because
some digestive systems react badly to foods that are different from the
normal fare.

So if I personally enjoy making a meal of hamburgers and fries for several
meals a day, for my entire vacation, That's fine. As with many other
things at WDW, there is a great range of choices. Thus my desire for a
burger will not preclude someone else's desire for escargo (and vise
versa). :)

Randy

==========
Randy Berbaum
Champaign, IL

Amanda

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Mar 31, 2004, 6:59:48 AM3/31/04
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>Man does it make me angry when people are so stuck in their comfy little
>world that they don't anything but basic american food. It is a tragedy!

Yeah, my next door neighbor wouldn't try falafel, so I put my car through his
living room wall! I was so enraged, it was like I was watching myself just
spin out of control. He better eat the hummus I'm making for him tonight, or
who knows what I'll do.

Amanda

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:02:51 AM3/31/04
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>When planning on one sit-down meal a day is $100 a day for two a reasonable
>budget. Any thoughts?
>

That's more than enough, you'll probably come in under that including snacks,
bottled water, etc.

SGC

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:28:32 AM3/31/04
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> When planning on one sit-down meal a day is $100 a day for two a
reasonable
> budget. Any thoughts?
>
> duchy

When I finish my trip report (sigh)... You can see that DH and I spent about
$100 (actually less) per day in February. We ate one sit-down meal per day
*usually lunch* -- not because of the prices so much as because of timing.
We also had a couple of beers throughout the day <grin>.

One trick for us -- and we didn't do it to save money but rather to save
calories and keep our stomachs happy -- I brought homemade bran muffins (I
know you can't exactly do that since you're coming from the UK) and we
supplemented those with fruit from the food court each morning. If you have
a car hire (ha! I'm picking up the lingo), you might want to consider
getting pop-tarts or some other prepackaged breakfast-y thing to take with
you and add fresh fruit or yogurt for breakfast. Or having late evening
snacks in the room or fresh fruit for the afternoon break. I don't advocate
keeping gobs of stuff in your room to cut down on food budget -- like I said
for us it was more a supplement to help keep us on track with our eating and
health.

SGC


SGC

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:30:40 AM3/31/04
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I'd love to have Fiesta ware!! But, we have a 'friend' who's pretty hanhky
about being copied -- sigh, she's pretty touchy about lots of things (that's
why she's a 'friend' and not a FRIEND) -- they have gobs and gobs of Fiesta
dinnerware. But, then again, they rarely eat over here anymore -- hmmmm.
I like the weight of it, the colors, the retro-ness, ...
SGC

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Denise near Disney

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:43:48 AM3/31/04
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I do eat kids food at Boma too - not completely so (when there is good
chicken/beef and salad, etc. to be had) - but I will have a chicken finger and
some pasta. :)


Denise
Down 48 pounds and counting. :)

Denise near Disney

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:46:20 AM3/31/04
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<< I don't get the whole "picky eater" thing, so if it doesn't work for
some people, oh well. >><BR><BR>

I consider myself a picky eater. Not as bad as some, I can usually find
something on a menu (pretty much always) that I like. But I don't care for
seafood, or nearly anything else at Akershus.

Amanda

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:48:11 AM3/31/04
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>I like the weight of it, the colors, the retro-ness, ...

I am buying nothing but Fiestaware from now on because of the DURABILITY.

We asked for a Mikasa stoneware pattern when we got married, and eight years
later, I've stopped using it daily because so many pieces got chipped in the
dishwasher. The whole point of getting stoneware instead of china was so we
could use it daily... oh well, live and learn.

The Fiesta looks cool, is really inexpensive for the quality (buy it at
amazon.com with super saver shippping!), and seems almost indestructable.

I think it's the new Corning Ware, it deserves to be ubiquitous.

Petey Gold

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Mar 31, 2004, 7:53:18 AM3/31/04
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>When planning on one sit-down meal a day is $100 a day for two a reasonable
>budget. Any thoughts?

Very reasonable........and as you always want to overbudget it is a good
starting point.

I budget $25 per day, per person, for food.
On a weekly average this amount works for me and my 12 yr. old. I find I can
only tolerate one sit down meal about every three days. The rest of the time
we prefer smaller meals and more treats.


Rodney T. Grill

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"duchy" <duch...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I can see that's going to be my by then 13 year old son on our next trip
in
> January. Forget veggies, forget sauces. I love the buffets but it's gonna
> hurt to pay adult price for him for the small amount and variety of food
> he'll eat. I'm sure he'll want the kids meals from the non table service
> places so I'm guessing I'll still come out under budget .
> He likes the idea of room delivery pizza at POP however <rolls eyes>.
> I can see this kid living for 2 weeks on prime rib from the buffets and
> pizza !! ;) Oh well......we'll keep the "you're allowed not to like
> something but you have to try it first" rule at the buffets and maybe
we'll
> find some new favourites.
> When planning on one sit-down meal a day is $100 a day for two a
reasonable
> budget. Any thoughts?


Our eating habits generally consist of one big meal per day, one counter
service meal, and then a snack. Our snack is often an in-room breakfast of
cereal, fruit or Pop Tarts. Sometimes we eat a big breakfast and then we
have snacks in the park for lunch (such as turkey legs, pretzels, fruit,
popcorn, etc.). We spend, on average, $50 per adult per day and $30 per
child per day on all food, including snacks and soft drinks purchased in the
parks.

--

- RODNEY


Rodney T. Grill

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Mar 31, 2004, 8:53:51 AM3/31/04
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"Ted Ansley" <ans...@usa.com> wrote in message
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>
> We've eatin at about 10 different Rainforest on maybe 20 occasions and had
> wonderful food and service, except for once and that wasn't at Disney.
They
> have a good menu, with variety, and some interesting dishes IMHO. I find
> the food better than just about any other themed restaurant I've visited.
> We are most definitely big fans of Rainforest......thought I'd offer an
> alternative opinion.


We've eat twice at the RFC in DD and at two or three other non-Disney
locales. I have found the service to be on-par with most chain restaurants
such as Applebee's, O'Charley's, Friday's, Ruby Tuesday, etc. (which means
that it ranges from intolerable to barely adequate). The food is decent,
but not much different from the usual chain restaurants. The prices,
however, are much higher than the other chains and I don't feel that the
atmosphere is special enough to warrant the difference. I would never go
out of my way to go to a RFC, but then again, I wouldn't avoid the place if
that's where others in my party wanted to eat.

--

- RODNEY


Lee

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Mar 31, 2004, 9:58:42 AM3/31/04
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dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas) wrote in message news:<20040331012017...@mb-m04.aol.com>...

> Jennifer wrote:
>
> >If it isn't about the food
> >then what is it about? :)
>
> I find I'm that way about anywhere I travel. Not just WDW. To me, half the fun
> of travel is to try things I wouldn't get a chance to try at home. The very
> last place I'd ever eat is at a chain restaurant when I'm away from home.

Amen to all that. I don't eat at chains at home...wouldn't think about
eating at one while on vacation. Throw all caution to the wind and get
a taste of local color. Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes a miss. But,
at least it's something different. We consider it a good sign if we
see a lot of cars in the parking lot.

Lee

duchy

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Mar 31, 2004, 10:26:29 AM3/31/04
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Thanks Amanda.............I haven't forgotten the London dream trip btw.
Just got distracted-will e-mail it soon :)

duchy


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duchy

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"Amanda" <ginny...@aol.comspamster> wrote> >I like the weight of it, the

colors, the retro-ness, ...
>
> I am buying nothing but Fiestaware from now on because of the DURABILITY.
>
> We asked for a Mikasa stoneware pattern when we got married, and eight
years
> later, I've stopped using it daily because so many pieces got chipped in
the
> dishwasher. The whole point of getting stoneware instead of china was so
we
> could use it daily... oh well, live and learn.
>
> The Fiesta looks cool, is really inexpensive for the quality (buy it at
> amazon.com with super saver shippping!), and seems almost indestructable.
>
Ok I'll bite...what is Fiesta (apart from a small car made by Ford, over
here ;) ?

duchy

duchy

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Mar 31, 2004, 10:34:45 AM3/31/04
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"Rodney T. Grill" <rod...@grill.org> wrote in message > Our eating habits

generally consist of one big meal per day, one counter
> service meal, and then a snack. Our snack is often an in-room breakfast
of
> cereal, fruit or Pop Tarts. Sometimes we eat a big breakfast and then we
> have snacks in the park for lunch (such as turkey legs, pretzels, fruit,
> popcorn, etc.). We spend, on average, $50 per adult per day and $30 per
> child per day on all food, including snacks and soft drinks purchased in
the
> parks.
>
> --
>
> - RODNEY
>
>
Thanks Rodney...that's our kind of eating pattern so sounds like I'm
budgeting it right.

duchy
296 days to go


agnes

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Mar 31, 2004, 11:38:38 AM3/31/04
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Ted Ansley wrote:

Ted - I'm glad your experiences at RC were good. But as the saying
goes - I wouldn't eat at a Rainforest Cafe again if you paid me.

agnes
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agnes

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Mar 31, 2004, 11:48:57 AM3/31/04
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duchy wrote:

duchy - 'Fiesta ware' is a pattern of dishes made by Homer
Laughlin China (from the state of West Virginia). I believe it enjoyed
its original heyday during the 1940s/50s. The original pieces are very
collectible & can get quite pricey. New pieces in the pattern are
available here in the U.S. I suppose if one did an Ebay search for
'Fiesta' completed auctions, one could get an idea of the values for the
vintage pieces.

agnes

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Mar 31, 2004, 11:53:56 AM3/31/04
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Disneyohdisney wrote:

> >>I would say that none of the WS restaurants are that great a value with less
> >>than exemplary food, save for LeCellier.
>
> We've had excellent luck with EPCOT restaurants. A lot is to be said for
> theming, and native servers. When you go to Disney, you should take advantage
> of what is uniquely Disney. Norway and Morocco offer beautiful restaurants,
> great servers, and an dining experience and food you probably can't find at
> home. At table service restaurants we have had our best experiences; the window
> service (with the exception of Japan) food is perhaps average. As good as
> China/Japan/Canada/Italy are, you can get oriental and Italian food steaks back
> home. But you can't be immersed in an Oktoberfest with the EPCOT staging
> anywhere else in the US. Eating at EPCOT (or anywhere at Disney) is an
> experience.
>
> Our favorite remains Bomas, though.

Oh, I don't know...the Oktoberfest FestHaus at
Busch Gardens/Williamsburg is a lot of fun. True, you don't get the
wait-service, but the food is very pleasant & if you're there for the
showtimes, you get an authentic dancing/singing(10 or so performers)/
band-playing(band has about 8 or 10 members) experience :) .

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:50:47 PM3/31/04
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Lee wrote:

> I don't eat at chains at home...wouldn't think about
>eating at one while on vacation.

Well, I have to admit that I will eat at a chain at home from time to time.
Quick, easy and convinient is sometimes more nescessary than fine dining. And
when I'm on a road trip, sometimes it's easier to stop at a Cracker Barrel next
to an off ramp than hunting down a fun, quaint local place. Eat fast and get
back on the road is sometimes what is required. And a known restaurant
sometimes is just easier and quicker than finding local color.

>Throw all caution to the wind and get
>a taste of local color.

I'm ALL for that once I'm at my destination. I love hunting down a fun, local
place when I travel. Makes for great memories. Good or bad, it's still a fun
experience.

>Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes a miss.

That's half the fun, isn't it?

>We consider it a good sign if we
>see a lot of cars in the parking lot.

Most certainly. Once when traveling through Virginia we were starving but kept
passing up chain restaurant after chain restaurant. Then we saw this barbeque
place with a packed parking lot. I shouted "STOP! We're eating THERE!" The
place was rather funky, and very local feeling. We had almost an hour's wait to
be seated, but it was so worth it. It was great food, and unlike any other
barbeque I've ever had anywhere else. I'll never forget that fun place.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:53:25 PM3/31/04
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Petey Gold wrote:

>I budget $25 per day, per person, for food.

WOW! I haven't been able to get away with spending that little on food ANYWHERE
I travel since the early 1980s. $25 for a whole day? You must do nothing but
counter service.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 1:58:46 PM3/31/04
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SGC wrote:

>I'd love to have Fiesta ware!!

Then go for it. Some department stores have the repro items on sale for VERY
reasonable prices when they have sales. You can easilly pick it up little by
little for not all that much. Also there are people at flea markets that will
sell "seconds" at next to nothing. Most of the time, you really have to look
closely to find the flaws that make them seconds.

But if you want the vintage items, that's another story altogether. I have a
friend who has been collecting the vintage Fiesta items for years. Once he
found a windfall of Fiesta in a thrift shop and was thrilled at his find. Then,
when researching his find, he discovered that he had purchased two bowls of an
extremely rare color. He was able to sell those bowls and paid off his student
loan, and still had money left over to buy a display cabinet for his dining
room he'd been wanting. Not bad for $.50 for each bowl.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:02:23 PM3/31/04
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Amanda wrote:

>I think it's the new Corning Ware, it deserves to be ubiquitous.

Well, it's not exactly a new pattern. Homer Laughlin has been manufacturing it
since 1936.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:11:18 PM3/31/04
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duchy wrote:

>Ok I'll bite...what is Fiesta (apart from a small car made by Ford, over
>here ;) ?

Fiesta dinnerware is a pattern of every-day pottery that is extremely popular
in the U.S.

Designed by Fredrick Rhead for Homer Laughlin, Fiestaware was introduced in
first half of 1936. The simplicity of Fiesta's design, a set of concentric
rings near the edge, and bright colors made Fiestaware popular in the 1930's
and has remained in production over the years, with minor changes to colors
over the years. In the 1970s, with the popularity of stoneware, Fiesta was even
produced in an earth-toned selection to meet current tastes of the times. What
makes the line so popular is that it comes in a variety of bright colors that
are meant to be mixed rather than matching one single color. It makes for a
bright, fun table setting. The vintage items from the 30s, 40s and 50s are
highly collectable bringing rather high prices. But it has remained in
production over the years, and in recent years with the craze for "retro" type
items, it have had a resurgence of popularity and can be easilly purchased in
department stores. Although the colors are quite different than those originall
produced in the early part of the 20th century.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:14:50 PM3/31/04
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Ted Ansley wrote:

>Man does it make me angry
>when people are so stuck in their comfy little
>> world that they don't anything but basic american food. It is a tragedy!

Although I understand what you are getting at, for me, I don't think of it as a
"tragedy". It's just a difference in tastes (Pun intended.) Not everyone likes
the same thing. What is important to one person is irrelevant to another. Food
and dining just aren't that important to some people. I'm glad I'm not one of
those types of people, as I really enjoy food and dining. But then there are
those who may think my total lack of interest in any type of sporting even just
as regrettable. Dif'rent strokes, as the saying used to go.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:22:41 PM3/31/04
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Randy Berbaum wrote:

>On the other hand, if the taste, texture, or proportions are not
>satisfying or an "experiment" could cause a miserable day (or worse a day
>of being too ill to leave your resort), why run the risk.

I have digestive problems of sorts. I have a real problem with acid reflux.
Some foods really cause problems with me. But, within the relhm of good sense,
I still enjoy taking an experiment from time to time. Food is too much of a
pleasure to me to give it up completely just because my stomach rebels. And I
have certain foods that I find I honestly dislike. Asparagus being the most
vile offender. But for some strange reason, I like to revist them again from
time to time to see if my taste has changed or that if prepared differently, I
would like them better. On the whole I despise potato salad, but every now and
again I've tried some to be polite and have found it rather good. So for me, an
occational "experiment" isn't a bad thing.

>This is not
>because a "strange" food is bad, or incorrectly prepaired, but because
>some digestive systems react badly to foods that are different from the
>normal fare.

I fully realize that some people have problem far worse than my acid reflux. To
the point of being life threatening. And by all means, I am not suggesting an
experimenting. But for those who just simply don't like certain foods, like the
friends I referenced in an earlier post, I honestly don't understand giving
something a try from time to time. Sometimes surprises happen.

>So if I personally enjoy making a meal of hamburgers and fries for several
>meals a day, for my entire vacation,

I don't think we will be going on vatation together, will we? <G>

>That's fine.

No question.

> Thus my desire for a
>burger will not preclude someone else's desire for escargo (and vise
>versa). :)

Again, no question.

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:25:37 PM3/31/04
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Bob Richmond wrote:

>Dave,
>
>>> Chefs du France...the Bistro...I've heard that the two restaurants
>share one kitchen and staff. <<
>
>The kitchen and cooks are always shared. The greeters sometime switch
>and the servers seldom switch. However an international exchange server
>that starts at Chefs may move up (figuratively and literally) to the
>Bistro.

Thanks Bob for the clarification. I thought this was the case, but I wasn't
sure.

By the way, an old friend from Dallas says she's a neighbor of yours. Barbara
Schneid. Say "Hi" for me when you see her.

Ed Holliman

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:23:36 PM3/31/04
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Dave in Dallas wrote:

You mean more fun than Spring Creek Barbecue :-)

Ed

Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 2:35:22 PM3/31/04
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Ed wrote:

>You mean more fun than Spring Creek Barbecue :-)

I love Spring Creek, but this place in Virginia was like comparing McDonalds to
Ruth Chris. It was incredible!

By the way, Spring Creek is my one a month indulgence. First Sunday of the
month we go to Sam's Club to stock up on coffee, TP, cat food, etc. There is a
Spring Creek right across the street from this Sam's Club and it is an
unbreakable ritual for us to eat there after shopping.

Hmmmm... First Sunday is this weekend, isn't it? I'm starting to get hungry.

weidwall

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Mar 31, 2004, 3:08:09 PM3/31/04
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"Dave in Dallas" <dav...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20040331141118...@mb-m28.aol.com...

> duchy wrote:
>
> >Ok I'll bite...what is Fiesta (apart from a small car made by Ford, over
> >here ;) ?
>
> Fiesta dinnerware is a pattern of every-day pottery that is extremely
popular
> in the U.S.
>
> Designed by Fredrick Rhead for Homer Laughlin, Fiestaware was introduced
in
> first half of 1936. The simplicity of Fiesta's design, a set of concentric
> rings near the edge, and bright colors made Fiestaware popular in the
1930's
> and has remained in production over the years, with minor changes to
colors
> over the years. In the 1970s, with the popularity of stoneware, Fiesta was
even
> produced in an earth-toned selection to meet current tastes of the times.

According to the Homer Laughlin website, Fiestaware went out of production
from 1973 and was reissued in 1986.

http://www.hlchina.com/fiestaretail.htm

Homer Laughlin also made a cheaper line of Fiestaware called Harlequin that
was sold through the dimestore Woolworth's chain. Although the company
website does not have any history about Harlequin, I found a couple of other
websites that say Harlequin went out of production in 1964. Which is
interesting, because I bought a set of it at a Woolworth's in 1979. I think
it was $20 for a service for eight.

So as per Amanda, Fiestaware doesn't chip? This was not true of my
Harlequin. I'm now using plain white Corelle as everyday dishware. I would
be tempted to buy some Fiestaware if it held up better than the Harlequin
did.

Ruth Ann


Dave in Dallas

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Mar 31, 2004, 3:18:07 PM3/31/04
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Ruth Ann wrote:

>According to the Homer Laughlin website, Fiestaware went out of production
>from 1973 and was reissued in 1986.

Ah! I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

>Homer Laughlin also made a cheaper line of Fiestaware called Harlequin that
>was sold through the dimestore Woolworth's chain.

Yeah, I know about Harlequin. Personally, I'm not all that fond of it. It's
sort of like the love-child of Fiesta and Coranado. Just doesn't do it for me.

>Although the company
>website does not have any history about Harlequin, I found a couple of other
>websites that say Harlequin went out of production in 1964. Which is
>interesting, because I bought a set of it at a Woolworth's in 1979.

Possibly something they found in an remote corner of a warehouse? New/old
stock? Not a bad find, though, and a really good price.

>So as per Amanda, Fiestaware doesn't chip?

Actually, it can. But it's much more durable than a lot of popular everyday
dinnerware patterns. It takes a lickin' and keeps on ticken'.

>This was not true of my Harlequin.

Possibly because Harlequin was a much thinner pottery. Not meaning a quality
flaw, but Harlequin was trying to be a more delicate pattern than Fiesta.
Fiesta was more chunky, like Bauer.

>I'm now using plain white Corelle as everyday dishware. I would
>be tempted to buy some Fiestaware if it held up better than the Harlequin
>did.

I think you'll have good luck with the Fiesta. As I said, our cats eat out of
Fiesta bowls and these bowls have lasted really well for about 5 years. We also
use Fiesta mugs every day and not one has cracked or chipped.

Ed Holliman

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Mar 31, 2004, 3:24:36 PM3/31/04
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Dave in Dallas wrote:

Well, their rolls are the best!

Ed

Charlie Foxtrot

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Mar 31, 2004, 3:47:19 PM3/31/04
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On 31 Mar 2004 19:22:41 GMT, dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas)
wrote:

> But, within the relhm of good sense,
>I still enjoy taking an experiment from time to time. Food is too much of a
>pleasure to me to give it up completely just because my stomach rebels. And I
>have certain foods that I find I honestly dislike. Asparagus being the most
>vile offender. But for some strange reason, I like to revist them again from
>time to time to see if my taste has changed or that if prepared differently, I
>would like them better.

I hear that, Dave. I was the king of picky eaters in my youth and
started to experiment in college. Our dorm food was actually good at
Illinois State University, which I've mentioned before. I'd try
things that I'd, previously, disliked just because there was no "real"
cost to me to try it. It was paid for in room and board.

Peas - one of your favorites ;) - were one of my experiments. I'd
despised them as a child but one day, they just smelled good in the
dorm. I grabbed a bowl and now I love peas and the fact that they are
on the no-no list of my diet distresses me!

I'm not a big breakfast eater but, my God, I hated eggs. One day, I
went to get my morning paper and the smell of eggs from the cafeteria
was so pleasant, I took my paper in and ordered some eggs. I've been
eating them ever since.

Broccoli always seemed gross to me but when the first President Bush
made a fuss over his dislike of broccoli, I went to the store bought a
couple of fresh stalks and steamed them in my wok, just to see what
was so bad about it. Been eating it ever since.

So, yeah, I'm all for the food experiments.

>On the whole I despise potato salad, but every now and
>again I've tried some to be polite and have found it rather good. So for me, an
>occational "experiment" isn't a bad thing.
>

Potato salad is to me as asparagus is to you. Then again, I'll pass
on the asparagus too!

Foxtrot

Figaro

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Mar 31, 2004, 4:14:28 PM3/31/04
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On 31 Mar 2004 19:11:18 GMT, dav...@aol.comnojunk (Dave in Dallas)
wrote:

>Fiesta dinnerware is a pattern of every-day pottery that is extremely popular
>in the U.S.

I collect prescut (which is made by the same company) and one of the
things the other collectors have told me is that collecting anything
Anchor Hocking ever makes is probably not ever going to be very
lucrative, as Anchor Hocking never breaks its original molds.
Whenever something becomes popular again, they can re-issue it and
other than the colors there is no way to tell if it is older or newer
versions. Which is why I never pay very much for prescut(smile) and
pick it up mostly at garage sales.


To email, take out the word t-h-i-s from my email address.

Denise near Disney

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Mar 31, 2004, 4:54:16 PM3/31/04
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I love Corelle! That is my very favorite dinnerware.


Denise
Down 48 pounds and counting. :)

Doctor Don

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Mar 31, 2004, 5:36:19 PM3/31/04
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"duchy" <duch...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<utBac.56$T36.7...@news-text.cableinet.net>...

First made popular in the 1950s, it is otherwise known as melamine (I
believe) and it's what they serve food on at the Prime Time Cafe.
Hard plastic plates that will no doubt survive a nuclear blast.

And to the originbal poster:
Mikasa is nice, but not for everyday use (!). Before you go down the
trail of the trailer culture, try some nice inexpensive dishes at a
place like IKEA or Target. And then find out what's spinning and
hitting your plates in the dishwasher.


Doctor Don

Dave Althoff Jr

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Mar 31, 2004, 6:41:45 PM3/31/04
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Doctor Don (askdrdo...@yahoo.com) wrote:

: First made popular in the 1950s, it is otherwise known as melamine (I


: believe) and it's what they serve food on at the Prime Time Cafe.
: Hard plastic plates that will no doubt survive a nuclear blast.

Fiestaware <> Melamine.
(or if you prefer, Fiestaware != Melamine)

Fiestaware is pottery. Melamine is plastic.
Fiestaware is glazed. Melamine is molded.
Fiestaware is clay. Melamine is (essentially) Bakelite
Both can shatter.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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Mar 31, 2004, 8:02:38 PM3/31/04
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Dave Althoff Jr wrote:

Thank you, Dave, took the words out of my mouth re: Fiestaware vs.
Melamine.
I'm curious about something, though...I know that Bakelite(1910) is
older than Melamine(1936). What makes Melamine "(essentially)
Bakelite"?

Also, Melamine can melt...*never* put it in the microwave...ack.

Sandi Femino

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Mar 31, 2004, 8:51:11 PM3/31/04
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In article <20040331165416...@mb-m22.aol.com>,
tinyb...@aol.comawesome (Denise near Disney) wrote:

> I love Corelle! That is my very favorite dinnerware.

It's our regular/favorite too!

--
Sandi

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