Disneyland and the WildFires
FIZZIE
family, I have been following the wildfires story. These are some of
the most devastatiing fires I can remember. Just out of curiosity, I
checked to see if it was affecting Disneyland. Here is what
Mouseplanet.com had to say:
"Disneyland and Disney's California Adventure are observing normal
operating hours at this time, though visitors should not expect
nightly fireworks to run. Also, daily parades will skip their show-
stops and run straight through for the health and safety of the
performers."
JFYI
-Fizzie
Darrell Jefress
unpleasant, and the sky is really hazy - we had a bright orange-red sun
yesterday afternoon.
D-Land itself is not in particular danger of the fires, since this area is
entirely urban - no expanses of brush to whip up into a large fire. Many
cast members live to the east and south, closer to the big fires. I think
there are only two in Orange County - other areas are much worse.
The fireworks cancellation will reduce the possibility of smaller fires,
which can be just as devastating on a smaller scale if they happen to you.
With our 3% humidity yesterday, it makes sense.
DJJ
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Laura Gilbreath
Darrell Jefress <eve...@tokyo.com> wrote:
>I think
>there are only two in Orange County - other areas are much worse.
I'm in San Diego, where it is "much worse". :-( They've evacuated over
300,000 people, and since they've evacuated several more areas since
that number was published it's probably at least 400,000 by now if not
higher. Over 1000 homes have burned, though we lost more than 2800 in
the Cedar Fire four years ago, so at least that number is somewhat
lower. There are 7 different fires around here, though it's two major
ones that are of most concern - one in the north county, which is
creeping towards the ocean, and one in the south that started near the
border but has moved about 30 miles north and west. We are luckily at
least 15 miles from the one in north county and should be fine where we
are, though we freaked a little bit yesterday when they announced the
mandatory evacuation of Scripps Ranch (which suffered the biggest
losses during the Cedar Fire) since it's not that far away. The smoke
is bad - definitely not a day to be outside.
Please keep good thoughts for all of us here, especially the
firefighters and those that have been evacuated or lost their homes.
We REALLY need those Santa Ana winds to die down, though that's not
supposed to happen until tomorrow morning, though at least they aren't
as strong as they were on Sunday and yesterday.
Laura
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Rudeney
>
> I'm in San Diego, where it is "much worse". :-( They've evacuated over
> 300,000 people, and since they've evacuated several more areas since
> that number was published it's probably at least 400,000 by now if not
> higher. Over 1000 homes have burned, though we lost more than 2800 in
> the Cedar Fire four years ago, so at least that number is somewhat
> lower. There are 7 different fires around here, though it's two major
> ones that are of most concern - one in the north county, which is
> creeping towards the ocean, and one in the south that started near the
> border but has moved about 30 miles north and west. We are luckily at
> least 15 miles from the one in north county and should be fine where we
> are, though we freaked a little bit yesterday when they announced the
> mandatory evacuation of Scripps Ranch (which suffered the biggest
> losses during the Cedar Fire) since it's not that far away. The smoke
> is bad - definitely not a day to be outside.
>
> Please keep good thoughts for all of us here, especially the
> firefighters and those that have been evacuated or lost their homes.
> We REALLY need those Santa Ana winds to die down, though that's not
> supposed to happen until tomorrow morning, though at least they aren't
> as strong as they were on Sunday and yesterday.
Please accept my prayers and pixie dust for all of you out there in
SoCal that are affected. From what I can see on the news, it must be
horrible. What's really bad is to see the video of people packing their
cars while the fires burn just hundreds of feet away. It would be so
tough to know your house would probably burn, and that you don;t have
much time to save your belongings.
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Lee
> Please keep good thoughts for all of us here, especially the
> firefighters and those that have been evacuated or lost their homes.
I'm not a religious person, so I'm not sure how much it means for me
to pray (in my own special way) for the folks of Southern California.
But, I'm doing it anyway. I love San Diego - I've been there three
times already (I live in NY, so it's a trip...), and already have my
fourth visit scheduled for mid-January, 2008. Stay safe, all you San
Diegans and others afflicted. The nation mourns your losses along with
you.
Lee
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>
Laura,
I'm so glad to hear from you - I've been thinking about you and
Lee (and Tigger and Stitch) very much over the last few days. I hope
you and your home continue to stay safe and that this will soon be a
distant memory that we can forget over some WDW chocolate.
Donna
Judy
>>
> firefighters and those that have been evacuated or lost their homes.
> We REALLY need those Santa Ana winds to die down, though that's not
> supposed to happen until tomorrow morning, though at least they aren't
> as strong as they were on Sunday and yesterday.
>
> Laura
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I will send some very good thoughts and prayers for you and eveyrone
else affected by the fires.
Keep us posted.
Judy
Denise
Denise
Laura Gilbreath
Thanks Donna - I like the way you think! :-) Anything is better with
chocolate.
Things are looking much better tonight - it appears the winds have
changed direction and the Santa Ana is over, so the humidity is going
up. There are still areas of the fire that are out of control, but they
are making some progress now on getting things contained. A lot of
people who were evacuated have been allowed to return home, though with
the change in the wind direction there are new areas that are being
evacuated.
Disneygeek
At the very least, just try to pass on "good thoughts" if nothing
else.
I used to live in Oxnard, I can't tell from the news maps, any idea on
what shape it's in?
ElastiGirl
EG
Petrea Mitchell
FIZZIE <BLUEFRO...@aol.com> strode forth and proclaimed:
> "Disneyland and Disney's California Adventure are observing normal
> operating hours at this time, though visitors should not expect
> nightly fireworks to run. Also, daily parades will skip their show-
> stops and run straight through for the health and safety of the
> performers."
Magic Mountain is operating normally as far as I can tell, even though a
fire started close to it. (The Magic Fire was named for Magic Mountain
Road.)
My SO just happens to have been in the LA area visiting family these
last few days. There are luckily no fires near his mother's house, where
he's been staying, though he reports that the air is definitely browner
and harder to breathe than usual. OTOH, they announced voluntary
evacuations yesterday for a town next to the one his brother lives in.
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wdwfanjon
thoughts and prayers do go out to everyone affected by those awful
fires. I wish we could bottle up all the rain we've had here in
Minnesota lately and send it out to you. We've had record rainful so
far in October and the past four months we've had above normal rain.
Wish that moisture would spread around to all areas of the country
experiencing drought conditions. To everyone in SoCal - I hope you
make it through these fires OK.
Sandi Femino
lg...@REMOVETHISlgil.net (Laura Gilbreath) wrote:
> Please keep good thoughts for all of us here, especially the
> firefighters and those that have been evacuated or lost their homes.
> We REALLY need those Santa Ana winds to die down, though that's not
> supposed to happen until tomorrow morning, though at least they aren't
> as strong as they were on Sunday and yesterday.
Good thoughts, prayers and pixie dust for you, Laura.
Stay safe.
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Sandi
FIZZIE
Maybe you could send us a little, too. In Metro Atlanta, we're in a
major drought with our main water sources rapidly drying up. I'm
researching ways to store and use "gray water". The shoreline of lake
Lanier has gained some 40 feet or more from its original line. Got
some nice rains the past two days, but the way things are, they were
like the proverbial drop in a bucket. Today is sunny and clear, but
atleast the temps have finally cooled.
-Fizzie
Laura Gilbreath
Thanks, Sandi.
I'm happy to say that things are MUCH better in the last 48 hours - the
majority of the people who were evacuated have been allowed to return to
their homes - even those who have no home to go back to. :-( There are
still a few areas that are closed, though. The fires are still out of
control in some areas but are not spreading very quickly, and generally
the land that is threatened is forest service land where there are no
homes or structures. Which doesn't mean that there aren't still some
homes that are threatened!
Here's a fairly accurate map of the fire. The peach, purple, and green
areas were ALL under mandatory evacuation orders at one time (some still
are), and that's a very significant portion of the county!
http://www.sdcountyemergency.com/newsreleases/10242007_2330hrs_Evac_FirePerem_low72.pdf
The firefighters still have a lot of work ahead of them, and it will
probably be several weeks before everything is fully contained and truly
extinguished. But at least they are now getting some relief and some
rest.
The air is still pretty bad in most of San Diego - with some areas worse
than others. I can't actually smell smoke at my house any more, but
it's still smoky at work, though many of my co-workers tell me that it's
a lot better at work than it is at their homes.
We'll be able to leave tomorrow for WDW as we had planned.
Thanks to everyone for your good thoughts and prayers and
(non-flammable) pixie dust - keep it coming! There's going to be a long
recovery time for a lot of people.
hiddenmickey
We're in the same shape here in central NC. We've been told we have
67 days of water left. Luckily it's been raining the last two
days...but I'm sure the 2 inches we got won't even make a dent in the
problem. And some areas have gotten significantly less than that! At
this point we've had a total of 2 1/2 inches of rain since the
beginning of August at our house.
FIZZIE
>
> - Show quoted text -
Having grown up in Southern California, I'm used to conserving water
and learning to love brown grass. Would consider digging a well in
the backyard, cept our suburb sits on top of a big ol', thick hunk of
granite connected to the underlay of Stone Mountain. Instead of
planting in soil vegetable gardens this year, we are converting over
to container gardens and using dishpans full of soapy, dirty water for
watering them. (They seem very happy) Our roses didn't fair well,
but we will do some googling and learn how to compensate. In these
times, being flexible and learning how to make do with what you have
are habits I'm afraid we'll all have to develop sooner or later. I
spent two years of my life in a very rural area of Georgia in a home
with no electricity and no running water. This is nothing!! LOL
-Fizzie
Paul Schnebelen
County, but none in this neck of the woods - one in the Santa Rosa Valley
near Camarillo, another that started out in North Los Angeles County and
moved near Piru and Fillmore, and two others in the Santa Clarita area, one
pretty close to Magic Mountain. The fire near Camarillo and the one near
Magic Mountain are out, and the fire near Piru and Fillmore threatened those
towns for a while but now's about 70% contained. The worst part of all of it
in Oxnard was the smoke making the air unhealthful for a couple of days, but
even that's improved quite a bit now.
Paul Schnebelen
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Laurie P.
Radpers are ok. Has anyone heard from Barry Wallis?
Laurie P.
Dave Gordon
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> At 23 Oct 2007 08:56:36 -0700,
> FIZZIE <BLUEFRO...@aol.com> strode forth and proclaimed:
>
>> "Disneyland and Disney's California Adventure are observing normal
>> operating hours at this time, though visitors should not expect
>> nightly fireworks to run. Also, daily parades will skip their show-
>> stops and run straight through for the health and safety of the
>> performers."
>
> Magic Mountain is operating normally as far as I can tell, even though a
> fire started close to it. (The Magic Fire was named for Magic Mountain
> Road.)
>
> My SO just happens to have been in the LA area visiting family these
> last few days. There are luckily no fires near his mother's house, where
> he's been staying, though he reports that the air is definitely browner
> and harder to breathe than usual. OTOH, they announced voluntary
> evacuations yesterday for a town next to the one his brother lives in.
My wife emails someone in San Diego regularly on business, and he claimed that the current fires are
not as bad as the ones 2 years ago (or was it 4 years...), in terms of number of houses destroyed,
etc. 300 this time vs 3000 last time.
The evacuation of the celebs in Malibu Colony certainly made the news over here in Britland. I was
wondering if this one was getting more attention because of the rich and famous people getting burned
out and the expensive houses being destroyed.
Anyone have any comment?
JerryD(upstateNY)
Here's the tragedy of the whole thing.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031203-4.html
In 2003, our president signed into law the Healthy Forest Restoration Act.
It called for the cutting down of all dead trees and removal of all brush in
the forests.
The "enviromentalists" have kept the law from being enacted for 4 YEARS !!!!
I am not saying these fires would have never started but many might not have
gotten so far out of hand.
Sometime people's good intentions are misplaced.
The law of unintended consequences reared it's ugy head again.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
Patty Winter
In article <47248...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Dave Gordon <d@p> wrote:
>>> [previous text removed]
>>
>My wife emails someone in San Diego regularly on business, and he
>claimed that the current fires are
>not as bad as the ones 2 years ago (or was it 4 years...), in terms of
>number of houses destroyed,
>etc. 300 this time vs 3000 last time.
Unless your wife's colleague is talking about one specific smaller
fire, he is very wrong. More than 1700 homes have been destroyed
so far in these fires. (That's *homes*, not just any buildings.
Additional outbuildings have also been burnt.) More than 1000 of
those homes were burnt in a single fire (the Witch Fire) in San
Diego County. Yes, that's not as many as the 2003 fires, but it's
still a lot.
Patty
Barry L. Wallis
Once you get past a certain level, it doesn't make a difference which
fire was bigger. They were both catastrophic. More than 500,000 people
were evacuated in this disaster.
I thank God that our home wasn't in danger. We were in Hawaii on
vacation and our cats were boarded at our vet's (who have an evacuation
plan).
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Patty Winter
In article <FJ4Vi.232$bQ5...@newsfe20.lga>,
Barry L. Wallis <KRQSAO...@spammotel.com> wrote:
>Patty Winter wrote:
>> In article <47248...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Dave Gordon
><d@p> wrote:
>>> he claimed that the current fires are
>>> not as bad as the ones 2 years ago (or was it 4 years...), in terms of
>>> number of houses destroyed,
>>
>> still a lot.
>
>Once you get past a certain level, it doesn't make a difference which
>fire was bigger. They were both catastrophic.
Exactly. I didn't want to suggest that anyone was being insensitive,
so I held back on saying that even if it had been "only" 300 homes
(quotes added for emphasis, not a direct quote), that would still
have been 300 families whose lives have been utterly changed. But
I was thinking it. :-)
>I thank God that our home wasn't in danger. We were in Hawaii on
>vacation and our cats were boarded at our vet's (who have an evacuation
>plan).
That's good news, Barry. I'll bet you were on the phone home a
lot, though.
Patty
Barry L. Wallis
Actually, not as much as you would think. I was out taking photos early
Tuesday morning and saw the front page of a newspaper on my way back to
the hotel (I had already heard about the Malibu fire). When I got back
to the hotel I looked at the LA times which had very little specific
information about San Diego. I called our vet who assured me that our
cats and town were safe and my boss (who had evacuated to a house well
north of the fires) who filled me in on the work situation. after that I
called home each night to check for messages and to see if the house was
OK (if the machine answered, I knew the house was still standing). It
turns out that with the traffic and air quality situation, we were much
better off in Hawaii. Now that we are home (arrived Friday night) the
air still smells of smoke, but, nothing like what our friends and
neighbors had to endure.
JD Stearns
(and all other SoCal RADPer's) pixie dust laced with fire retardant until
the fires are out for good.
J.D. Stearns
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Laurie P.
Laurie P.
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Dave Gordon
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>
> In article <FJ4Vi.232$bQ5...@newsfe20.lga>,
> Barry L. Wallis <KRQSAO...@spammotel.com> wrote:
>>Patty Winter wrote:
>>> In article <47248...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Dave Gordon
>><d@p> wrote:
>>>> he claimed that the current fires are
>>>> not as bad as the ones 2 years ago (or was it 4 years...), in terms of
>>>> number of houses destroyed,
>>>
>>> Yes, that's not as many as the 2003 fires, but it's
>>> still a lot.
>>
>>Once you get past a certain level, it doesn't make a difference which
>>fire was bigger. They were both catastrophic.
>
> Exactly. I didn't want to suggest that anyone was being insensitive,
> so I held back on saying that even if it had been "only" 300 homes
> (quotes added for emphasis, not a direct quote), that would still
> have been 300 families whose lives have been utterly changed. But
> I was thinking it. :-)
Thank goodness I didn't say "only" - I just went back and checked. That would have been crass and
insensitive. The current fires must be awful for the poor people who have been affected.
I guess my puzzlement was due to the fact that the fires of 2003 were not widely reported in the UK,
and I was wondering if the wealth of news reports here this time is just because some rich and famous
people have been evacuated.
Barry L. Wallis
I think that more people may have been evacuated this year than in 2003
(I heard 500,000 this year, I couldn't find the number for 2003). Also,
these fires coincided with so many other Southern California fires that
it put a huge strain on those responding to it.
A co-worker of mine bought a house by Witch Creek earlier this year (to
say it is rural would be an understatement). I just read an e-mail he
wrote last week describing his successful efforts to save his house and
what it was like when the fire came back hours later for a second time.
He included pictures. His house is all that is standing in the barren
landscape.