Best Animated Film Oscar Sucks! (was: Re: Kornheiser Hates Cartoons! Hate Radio for the Soul <g>)
Terrence Briggs
manchildren! :-)
On Jun 28, 2:35 pm, Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Tony Kornheiser (of ESPN's Pardon the Interruption) is putting his
> Sirius/FM radio show on hiatus again to return to his Monday Night
> Football gig. As part of his weekly segment on New Film Releases, he
> left animation fans a going away present:
>
> http://icestream.bonnint.net/dc/3wt/tony/TK_PODCAST_20080429.mp3
> (I don't have my hreadphones with me, so I can't give you the exact
> timestamp yet. It's at least 17 minutes into the show, however, when
> Film Critic Joe Barber appears to review Wall-E.)
>
> Parphrasing for now, he complains that the Oscar category for Best
> Animated Film was the "worst thing to happen to cinema". He kvetched
> about about forced to watch Lion King and Little Mermaid with his
> children dozens of times ("They couldn't grow up fast enough."). and
> so on. I'll pull out the quotes, soon as I can, cuz their going right
> on the bathroom wall :-)
Here's the quickie transcipt, beginning from 48:39 of the podcast.
Pardon my poor formatting:
TonyKornhierser
There are two movies this week. One is the animated movies... is it
"wall-eye"?
JoeBarber
Its "Wall-E"
T
You know where I stand on these movies
J
IIIIII know.
T
I actually think the worst thing that's ever happened to cinema in
America was that they now give out an award for animated films... an
Oscar for animated films ... thereby encouraging people to make these
disgusting little movies
J
Well, in the first place, Tony, those films are made for people who
have children.
T
Yeah.
J
But anim---
T
Well, I have children. Let 'em watch Westerns. You know...
J
But animation can really be something special and that's what the
folks at Disney did. They really revitalized animation when
Katzenberg was helping to run the studio, and they did things like The
Little Mermaid, and The Lion King, and Hunchback of Norte Dame and
stuff like that.
T
I had to watch those things 30 to 50 to 10,000 times in my house. And
I just could not wait... my children could not grow up fast enough, so
that I didn't have to watch that slop anymore.
J
Well, you were showing your kids stuff like Bambi and Song of the
South, for goodness sake.
T
Right. What's the... the only one that I've ever liked is Lady and
the Tramp. I've liked Lady & the Tramp. It's, like, 80 years old.
But... anyway... go ahead. Wall-E.
<snip>
J
...Pixar are the guys who've done this brilliant run of films for
Disney the last few years including Monsters, Inc., and Finding Nemo,
and Cars, and last year's Ratatouille.
T
All junk.
J
No!
Jean McManus
No! You're so wrong! So wrong!
T
Okay! All right! I'm wrong! Okay!
J
And as I've said on this show before (and will continue to say,
obviously, for however long we continue): The great thing about the
Pixar movies is that they are made with everybody in the family in
mind, in that they appeal to both kids as well as adults.
T
You like these kinds of movies?
JM [noted hater of musicals]
Well, not this one... this one does not ring my bell, I have to say.
But Finding Nemo and Ratatouille were adorable movies.
J
This is not the kind of raw, [based?], embracing kind of film that
those were, or that, say Kung Fu Panda... has been. But if you're
someone who likes a bit of adventurousness in your films, I'd give it
a shot.
Nigel
Mr. Tony, what'd make this better: Instead of a robot, if they had a
chimpanzee in a suit cleaning up the planet.
T
That would have been much funnier. And you're telling me.. you're
recommending a movie to me where you say for the first half-hour, 1/3
of the movie, nothing is said?
J
Well, no, there's a lot of physical action and...
T
Robots.
J
and comedy like that and the dialogue...
T
Animated.
J
...yes, is very static. There's not a lot of talking. But the
kids...
T
I'd rather crack eggs on my head.
J
As I say, the kids I saw it with, as well as the adults, really
enjoyed it.
T (mumbling)
Okay.
J
I'm giving it 3.5 stars. I think it's very entertaining.
(unknown)
Wow. That's a lot!
J
Yes.
T
Not going to this one.
> We love you anyway, grandpa!
>
> Terrence Briggs, not asking for an "e-mail jihad", as his fans will
> know.
> Peace to you...
Terrence Briggs, with a little something for everyone :-)
Peace to you...
Chika
<ca54e612-3866-479f...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Crossposting from rec.arts.animation added. Hold on to your seats,
> manchildren! :-)
> On Jun 28, 2:35 pm, Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > Tony Kornheiser (of ESPN's Pardon the Interruption) is putting his
> > Sirius/FM radio show on hiatus again to return to his Monday Night
> > Football gig. As part of his weekly segment on New Film Releases, he
> > left animation fans a going away present:
> >
> > http://icestream.bonnint.net/dc/3wt/tony/TK_PODCAST_20080429.mp3
> > (I don't have my hreadphones with me, so I can't give you the exact
> > timestamp yet. It's at least 17 minutes into the show, however, when
> > Film Critic Joe Barber appears to review Wall-E.)
<snip transcript>
It's somewhat depressing reading really. Either this twat is truly
ignorant or it's just another case of a jock trying to stir the jaded
listeners up in the pursuit of ratings.
It all comes back to what I've been saying for years. Everyone has their
opinion. Critics are just people that are paid to publish their opinions,
but that doesn't make their opinions fact. If anything, it makes their
opinions open to suspicion, especially with this sort of populist tripe.
But then that's my opinion. ^_^
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
... I'm not a complete idiot ÄÄ several parts are missing.
Derek Janssen
> In article
> <ca54e612-3866-479f...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Crossposting from rec.arts.animation added. Hold on to your seats,
>>manchildren! :-)
>
>
>>On Jun 28, 2:35 pm, Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Tony Kornheiser (of ESPN's Pardon the Interruption) is putting his
>>>Sirius/FM radio show on hiatus again to return to his Monday Night
>>>Football gig. As part of his weekly segment on New Film Releases, he
>>>left animation fans a going away present:
>
>
> It's somewhat depressing reading really. Either this twat is truly
> ignorant or it's just another case of a jock trying to stir the jaded
> listeners up in the pursuit of ratings.
It's pretty much the same high school "I hate something a bunch of
idiots are making popular!" attacking of the trend for attention, rather
than the thing itself, for talk-ratings. Yawn.
(Usually we'd get this every week from the high-school kids, two months
before the next Lord of the Rings movie.)
The pop headline this week being, Wall-E got the good reviews, so a new
coattrail to tread on...Also yawn. (More of a Toy Story 2 fan, m'self.)
Despite Terence's wishful "Gee, I wish I'd said that! @_@ " fantasies
(you will, Terence, you will), it's pretty heavily in NTSHMO territory.
Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net
Terrence Briggs
On Jun 29, 6:56 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
> Chika wrote:
> > In article
> > <ca54e612-3866-479f-9a7d-82b68893b...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
3 things I don't understand here:
1) What fantasy are you talking about?
2) What does "NTSHMO" stand for?
3) How many "r"s am I holding up? You are not seeing double, DJ :-)
> Derek Janssen
> ejan...@verizon.net
Terrence Briggs, who never thought he'd have to spell it out for
people
Peace to you...
Primordial Ooze
> In article
> <ca54e612-3866-479f-9a7d-82b68893b...@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
critics are much more than people simply stating their opinion, as
they long as they are talking about their field. This guy is a sports
commentator commenting on films though
haywood jablomy
Alexander as Tony, and Theo from the Cosby Show as his ex-jock sidekick.
It sucked mightily.
Terrence Briggs
> On Jun 29, 4:39 pm, Chika <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
>
> > > Crossposting from rec.arts.animation added. Hold on to your seats,
> > > manchildren! :-)
> > > On Jun 28, 2:35 pm, Terrence Briggs <mrman1mrm...@lycos.com> wrote:
> > > > Tony Kornheiser (of ESPN's Pardon the Interruption) is putting his
> > > > Sirius/FM radio show on hiatus again to return to his Monday Night
> > > > Football gig. As part of his weekly segment on New Film Releases, he
> > > > left animation fans a going away present:
>
> > > >http://icestream.bonnint.net/dc/3wt/tony/TK_PODCAST_20080429.mp3
> > > > (I don't have my hreadphones with me, so I can't give you the exact
> > > > timestamp yet. It's at least 17 minutes into the show, however, when
> > > > Film Critic Joe Barber appears to review Wall-E.)
>
> > <snip transcript>
>
> > It's somewhat depressing reading really. Either this twat is truly
> > ignorant or it's just another case of a jock trying to stir the jaded
> > listeners up in the pursuit of ratings.
>
> > It all comes back to what I've been saying for years. Everyone has their
> > opinion. Critics are just people that are paid to publish their opinions,
> > but that doesn't make their opinions fact. If anything, it makes their
> > opinions open to suspicion, especially with this sort of populist tripe.
>
> > But then that's my opinion. ^_^
Mr Tony's not a populist. He's just running at the mouth, as always,
for kicks, chicks, and giggles. It's fun to laugh at/with his
hopelessness sometimes :-)
That's why I'm not calling for ny so-called "e-mail jihad" or anything
of the sort. He's utterly harmless to us. Now, if Roger Ebert were a
hater, well, we might have to regulate. (Though the video gamers
tried, and to my knowledge, he never backed off or admitted that he's
out of the loop, with respect to his most inflammatory comments.)
> > --
> > //\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
> > // \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
>
> > ... I'm not a complete idiot ÄÄ several parts are missing.
>
> critics are much more than people simply stating their opinion, as
> they long as they are talking about their field. This guy is a sports
> commentator commenting on films though
Heh. Then you'll love his stint on TCM (or is it AMC?). Apparently,
he's been invited to host/intro several films as part of an ongoing
thing about "celebrity picks".
Man, that was vague. Feel free to fill in the blanks on that.
Terrence Briggs, got Shinchan from Netflix. It feels so good to be so
bad...
Peace to you...
Chika
But that is exactly what they *are* doing. The only reason why they get
paid for doing it is that somebody believes that their opinion is likely
to be informed (they have a reasonable track record in whichever area of
criticism they are in) and relevant (they have actually watched it rather
than taken their own cue from somebody else), and that it is likely to be
a reasonable reflection of what the populous might think (rather than
influenced by their own personal biases).
The trouble is that critics can only be subjective as there is no way to
be anything else in the business of media criticism, which is why they can
be wrong. The hope is that they are wrong less of the time but there is no
cast-iron guarantee of this.
You can minimise the possibility of a bum steer from one critic by
averaging out the response of a number of critics but there is only one
way to find out how you will ultimately respond to any given media
product, and that is to try it for yourself.
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// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
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