Aspiring abstract animator
Dr. Scriabinstein
to do any kind of commercial animation. I was blown away by Norman
McLaren's film Be Gone Dull Care the first time I saw it when I was
about 14, nine years ago, and it would be amazing to achieve something
of that magnitude for the 21st century. I'm a big fan of abstract
expressionist painting, especially the first abstract expressionist,
Kandinsky, but I get frustrated with painting because I feel it's a
primitive artform and at best, if I match Kandinsky's work I'm
recreating something that was only groundbreaking nearly a century
ago. I believe that the future of art is a combination of animation
and music, animation adds a whole new dimension, quite literally. I'm
also a musician and want to compose and animate together. I'd also
love to create a computer program that turns music into colour and
form, but I'm just figuring out how to send messages to newsgroups so
I'll have to take it one step at a time.
Now that I've explained where I'm coming from, I'd appreciate some
words of wisdom from those of you who know what you're doing. Should I
get a private animation teacher if those exist? Are there art schools
out there that have more of an emphasis on experimental animation? Are
there ways of just getting going animating, with a do it yourself
ethic- using flip books, scratching and painting right onto film etc.
That's all I can think of for now, thanks in advance, or if no one
replies to this thread.... no, I won't curse.
Jason
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You want to do a great abstract animated piece, but you've never even done a
flip-book? Start with a couple flip-books and see if you enjoy it. Animation
is quite tedious, requires a certain type of dedication...
Dr. Scriabinstein
I did flip books when I was a young kid on Post Its if that counts,
then in my teens I got into a deep depression and gave up drawing for
fun. Eventually I came out of the depression with a love of a whole
bunch of tormented artists and now I've come back to the animation
thing. I'm getting started on it, I have plenty of dedication, it's
just that I'm manic depressive and I've finally gotten on the right
medications in the last few months so I have my life back. Can you
think of any good books on beginners animation? I used to have a few
but I must have lost them.
Rose
wrote:
>I'd really like to get into animation but I have no desire whatsoever
>expressionist painting, especially the first abstract expressionist,
>Kandinsky, but I get frustrated with painting because I feel it's a
>primitive artform and at best, if I match Kandinsky's work I'm
>recreating something that was only groundbreaking nearly a century
>ago. I believe that the future of art is a combination of animation
>and music, animation adds a whole new dimension, quite literally. I'm
>also a musician and want to compose and animate together. I'd also
>love to create a computer program that turns music into colour and
>form, but I'm just figuring out how to send messages to newsgroups so
>I'll have to take it one step at a time.
>
>Now that I've explained where I'm coming from, I'd appreciate some
>words of wisdom from those of you who know what you're doing. Should I
>get a private animation teacher if those exist? Are there art schools
>out there that have more of an emphasis on experimental animation? Are
>there ways of just getting going animating, with a do it yourself
>ethic- using flip books, scratching and painting right onto film etc.
>That's all I can think of for now, thanks in advance, or if no one
>replies to this thread.... no, I won't curse.
>
>Jason
A lot of animators started their careers by just doing. Now a days
with so much sophisticated software a lot are going to school for it.
It all depends on you of course but with the programs that are out
there - some of them free - I see nothing wrong with getting started
yourself. Have you done any animation at all? As for you saying
something along the lines of not wanting to go into "commercial" art
but do you want to make a living at it?
I saw this great show on techtv - Eyedrops-where people submit their
animation and the one that came to mind when I red your post was the
one animation that showed a band playing its own instruments (no
people just the instruments) with the music included. They talked to
the guy that did it and he said it him something like 900 hours to
complete it - it lasted about 3-4 minutes.
If you want to make a business of this you may want to consider the
"commercial" route. Impressionalist painting in a commercial market
isn't impossible but it may be quite hard to do. 3D is everywhere now
- from tv to magazines and everything in between.
Now I have a program on my computer that when the music plays there is
like a cinema-scope of colors and it changes shape with the beat of
the music. It has a lot of options and it lets you change the colors,
the shape, the look of the shape, etc.....Is that what you're talking
about?
Rose
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Dr. Scriabinstein
> like a cinema-scope of colors and it changes shape with the beat of
> the music. It has a lot of options and it lets you change the colors,
> the shape, the look of the shape, etc.....Is that what you're talking
> about?
>
>
> Rose
Since I posted the first message I've gotten a better idea of what
direction I'm going to go in with a career. I'm planning on taking
integrated media at an art school and I'm going to be going to a
portfolio workshop that will have an introduction to animation. I'm
just painting and drawing and making a comic book in the mean time. I
read Ray Kurzweil's book The Age of Spiritual Machines in which he
talks about how technology will rapidly change in the next 90 years
and he talks about virtual reality environments being a big thing. I
would love to create some program where you're in a painting, and can
interact with your surroundings. My dreams get so idealistic, I have
to remember to start at the bottom, getting some ink out and making a
weird little comic book, but my goals always tend to get grandiose.
What is the name of that program you have on your computer? It sounds
interesting, I think computers are here to stay.
Jason
brad
animation, and i'm glad to see you have an interest in attending a
school for it also. It will give you great discipline.
As for getting started without much experience (to created a painting
you can walk around in) try Adobe Atmosphere - a starter program that
can achieve some pretty cool stuff (like touring a 3d art gallery, or
walking through 3d worlds)Also try Macromedia Plasma - It's a dumbed
down version of Studio Max - actually pretty cool, and easily
integratable to the web for viewing. (3d is all about the textures,
so keep up the painting and drawing, because you're going to use those
more than you think)
Using a program to generate colors and styles set to music is
something you will learn (import a sound file and connect it to your
creations-not too hard)
As per a good traditional animation book try - Cartoon Animation by
Preston Blair - you can find it just about anywhere.
And a program with Sound Visualizations almost all of them have it,
you just have to turn it on. (Windows media player has it, Winamp has
it)
Hope this helps, and good luck to you.
brad
Rose
wrote:
>> Now I have a program on my computer that when the music plays there is
The name of the program is CD Spectrum Pro. I have had it for a while
and think I downloaded it from somewhere - can't remember where but it
should be available somewhere on the Internet. For a freebie program
it has quite a few buttons and basically how it works is that you can
configure the graphics - ie the color, spectrum, and what beats it
changes on, and you can even change how the change will transform ie
worms, blood, spiral etc.,
I don't think that there is anything wrong with being idealistic. I'm
thinking that's how Bill Gates started. Also I think its a good idea
that you are doing what you are doing now - the drawing, the comic
book etc because I think that its better to have a foundation to work
from than just diving straight into 3D and virtual worlds.
You should draw a ladder/graph type plan of the type of work you want
to do. Start where you are now which is the drawing etc and at the
top put the virtual words name. Now all you have to do is fill in the
in-between spots and you will have your steps!
I know that there are websites with virtual world type graphics and
I'm trying to think of a movie where I have seen the same kind of
thing but all that comes to mind are the movies where they use a
"blue" screen - where they tape the actors and then fill in the screen
afterwards with some exotic location and such. it's kind of
comparable to the older days when the movies didn't shoot on location
they used background footage of the location without actually filming
the movie there.
Rose
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