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Lance Visser

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Jul 27, 1991, 12:14:16 AM7/27/91
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I went to the store today and picked up the third issue of Infinity
Gauntlet and the new issue of Silver surfer. I found out after I had read
the Silver Surfer that its continuity -wise appearently after Infinity
Gauntlet #4.
Unless I missed something, somebody messed up big somewhere. But
Regardless, the issue of Silver Surfer was quite good. In fact the story
seemed better than the entire first three issues of Infinity Gauntlet
put together.

Spoilers for Infinity Gauntlet #3 follow:

The whole premise of this issue was apperently to form the "team" to
go after Thanos. The premise of this particular "team" seems to be that
the character has to have has own book. I am sorry but gathering up
Captain America and Woverine to fight a threat to the whole universe is
just silly beyond belief.
This issue is one more step on the road to making Wolverine the
Cosmic character he deserves to be.

Hank Driskill

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Jul 27, 1991, 10:18:45 AM7/27/91
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In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
...Silver Surfer...

>seemed better than the entire first three issues of Infinity Gauntlet
>put together.

Excuse me? I thought the Silver Surfer issue was kind of lame, actually, and
enjoyed IG#3 much more.

>Spoilers for Infinity Gauntlet #3 follow:
>
> The whole premise of this issue was apperently to form the "team" to
>go after Thanos. The premise of this particular "team" seems to be that
>the character has to have has own book. I am sorry but gathering up
>Captain America and Woverine to fight a threat to the whole universe is
>just silly beyond belief.
> This issue is one more step on the road to making Wolverine the
>Cosmic character he deserves to be.

I didn't think Cap was a bad choice at all: he's the best leader the Avengers
has ever had, probably knows more about the abilities of *all* the heroes
assembled than anyone else, and on top of that is a hell of a fighter! While
I agree that Wolverine was a silly choice (other than allowing us the rooftop
scene with Warlock and the Hulk, which I liked a LOT), Cap has always proven
his usefulness (see Avengers Annual #7... the last time they fought Thanos).

Hank.

James W. Meritt

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Jul 27, 1991, 12:29:33 PM7/27/91
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I noticed that Dr Doom is amongst the crowd that teleported to fight Thanos.
Yet, moments later when the attackers were corpses, No Doom was evident.
His sneakiness is well known - ask Iron Man.

Any ideas here he went?

Lance Visser

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Jul 27, 1991, 5:22:53 PM7/27/91
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In <910727162...@sun4.jhuapl.edu> j...@sun4.jhuapl.edu (James W. Meritt) writes:

+>I noticed that Dr Doom is amongst the crowd that teleported to fight Thanos.
+>Yet, moments later when the attackers were corpses, No Doom was evident.
+>His sneakiness is well known - ask Iron Man.

+>Any ideas here he went?


His cape is at the bottom of Page 2. It might be his body as well
but the perspective is rather bad. This is not secret wars and (I hope
very much anyway ) Dr. Doom is not going to find a secret weapon to steal
Thanos power with.
Am I wrong in assuming that there is story between Infinity Gauntlet
3 and Silver Surfer #55 that is going to be printed somewhere.

David Hunter

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Jul 28, 1991, 2:41:15 PM7/28/91
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I, too, just picked up IG #3 and SS #55. I'll grant that SS #55
was marginally better than IG #3, but that's hardly much of
a compliment.

I'd not really made my mind up on IG until this issue but now
I'm ready to say, unequivocally, that Infinity Gauntlet stinks.
It's worse than poorly done, it's just plain stupid. The
miraculous ressurection of supposedly dead heros and villians,
the mass destruction of planets and countries, the idea of
raising an army to "punch out" God, a supposedly omnipotent
villian who's too stupid to simply wipe out of existence those that
oppose him ... it's all just TOO MUCH. It doesn't seem "cosmic"
to me, just ludicrous. Add to this the fact (frequently observed
on this newsgroup) that the various pieces of IG just don't seem
to fit together correctly, and what you get are some really bad
comics.

The only thing that makes this stuff better than Secret Wars is
the artwork. Speaking of which (Secret Wars) did that bit
with the gathering of cosmic entities in IG #3 remind anyone
else of Secret Wars II ...?

Okay, I've had my say and I feel a bit better now. If I sound
bitter it's because I (used) to be a big Starlin fan and I'm
just really dissapointed with his work here. If this is the
best he can do these days, I guess he's really lost it (like
Roy Thomas).

David Hunter
hun...@cse.uta.edu

Lance Visser

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Jul 28, 1991, 4:09:58 PM7/28/91
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In <1991Jul28.1...@cse.uta.edu> hun...@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:

+>I, too, just picked up IG #3 and SS #55. I'll grant that SS #55
+>was marginally better than IG #3, but that's hardly much of
+>a compliment.

Well its not great work but there is a point where you have
to give some credit when there is some improvement. The past few
issues had been so terrible, its worth noting when there is improvement.

Marvel (or someone at the company) also deserves some credit
for not producing a bullpen bulletins page this month that focused on
creative people rather than editors.


+>The only thing that makes this stuff better than Secret Wars is
+>the artwork. Speaking of which (Secret Wars) did that bit
+>with the gathering of cosmic entities in IG #3 remind anyone
+>else of Secret Wars II ...?

It actually reminded me more of What If #32 which was what if
Korvac defeated everyone. Having Asgard "cut off" by the godlike villian
is also from that story. I did not read Secret Wars II so I dont know
about any similarities.


+>Okay, I've had my say and I feel a bit better now. If I sound
+>bitter it's because I (used) to be a big Starlin fan and I'm
+>just really dissapointed with his work here. If this is the
+>best he can do these days, I guess he's really lost it (like
+>Roy Thomas).

One thing about Roy Thomas (especally on Avengers). The editorial
staff seems to consider Avengers "their" property and have been rumored
to interfere in the creation of both books. The turnover on Avengers
especally seems to support this. That does not excuse all of what
Thomas has done, but I dont think the book is really something he is very
interested in anyway.

Andy Young

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Jul 28, 1991, 7:50:23 PM7/28/91
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David Hunter

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Jul 29, 1991, 11:00:52 AM7/29/91
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In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

> Marvel (or someone at the company) also deserves some credit
>for not producing a bullpen bulletins page this month that focused on
>creative people rather than editors.

Interesting observation. I've stopped even *looking* at the b.b.
pages. I remember as a kid (1973 or so) I really liked the bulletins page.
Is it just that I've grown up, or has Marvel really changed what they
do with the b.b.?

>It [scene in IG with cosmic entities] actually reminded me more of

>What If #32 which was what if
>Korvac defeated everyone. Having Asgard "cut off" by the godlike villian
>is also from that story. I did not read Secret Wars II so I dont know
>about any similarities.

Well, I didn't read the What If story you refer to. So, does
this mean that Starlin is not just plagerising his own work
but other's as well ... ?

(I'll put a mild :-) here because I know that plagerism is too
strong a word ... but I think you know what I mean)

> One thing about Roy Thomas (especally on Avengers). The editorial
>staff seems to consider Avengers "their" property and have been rumored
>to interfere in the creation of both books.

That's interesting to know. From what I have read on this newsgroup
it would seem that most of Marvel's problems (with bad books)
are the result of ignorant editorial policies.

My crack about Thomas mostly stemmed from his recent work on Dr.
Strange, which is dreadful. I read the first several of his
W.C. Avengers stories and thought they were pretty good. I
dropped the title when he started up on this Pacific Overlords
storyline.

>That does not excuse all of what
>Thomas has done, but I dont think the book is really something he is very
>interested in anyway.

I was sort of under the impresssion that he hasn't been much interested
in anything since he was forced to stop writing about the JSA.

David Hunter
hun...@cse.uta.edu

Colin Cockrell

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Jul 29, 1991, 7:12:03 AM7/29/91
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> I didn't think Cap was a bad choice at all: he's the best leader the Avengers
> has ever had, probably knows more about the abilities of *all* the heroes
> assembled than anyone else, and on top of that is a hell of a fighter! While
> I agree that Wolverine was a silly choice (other than allowing us the rooftop
> scene with Warlock and the Hulk, which I liked a LOT), Cap has always proven
> his usefulness (see Avengers Annual #7... the last time they fought Thanos).
>
> Hank.

I myself find it hard to believe that ANY one can harm Thanos. I
suppose that they can be a distraction but they have no hope of doing any
real harm. IG#3 was decent, by no means great. I too enjoyed the rooftop
scene with Hulk/Wolvie.

It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am. -Muhammad Ali
Colin Cockrell cpc.rn.com

Lance Visser

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Jul 29, 1991, 4:22:24 PM7/29/91
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In <1991Jul29.1...@cse.uta.edu> hun...@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:

+>In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

+>> Marvel (or someone at the company) also deserves some credit
+>>for not producing a bullpen bulletins page this month that focused on
+>>creative people rather than editors.

+>Interesting observation. I've stopped even *looking* at the b.b.
+>pages. I remember as a kid (1973 or so) I really liked the bulletins page.
+>Is it just that I've grown up, or has Marvel really changed what they
+>do with the b.b.?

Jim Shooter Attempted to kill the page off and as I remember it
was missing for a while. The problem I had with the Bullpen Bullitens
(until this month) is that that they had begin to focus on the careers
and promotions/personal lives of editors exclusivly. It used to read
like an interoffice newspaper. I always saw the point of the page was to
hype the product and the talent....people care and want to read about Jim
Lee or Chris Clairmont. Nobody gives a damn if Bob Budinsky becomes a
special products editor.

They have corrected the problem (this month at least).

Cleavy McKnight

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Jul 29, 1991, 9:36:55 PM7/29/91
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In article <smFu6...@bluemoon.uucp> c...@bluemoon.uucp (Colin Cockrell) writes:

> I myself find it hard to believe that ANY one can harm Thanos. I
>suppose that they can be a distraction but they have no hope of doing any
>real harm. IG#3 was decent, by no means great. I too enjoyed the rooftop
>scene with Hulk/Wolvie.
>
Did I get a totally different version of IG #3 from everybody else?
(The following are paraphrases, of course...)
The Vision tells She-Hulk: "Thanos can't be defeated unless he WANTS
to be defeated, as he apparently did the last two times we fought him."

Warlock tells the Surfer (in reference to the other heroes, who have
just teleported to face Thanos): "They have no chance. They're nothing
but cannon fodder to buy time." In fact, he persuaded the cosmic
entities that THEY couldn't defeat Thanos either. He has SOME kind of
a plan.

The heroes may have Death on their side now, after Thanos's latest insult
to her.

And what's this about "corpses" and Thanos "gripping the Hulk by the
throat" (mentioned in other postings on this issue)? On the final page
of MY copy, the heroes had only just arrived to face Thanos, and hadn't
started fighting yet. Or did I miss something?

Lance Visser

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Jul 30, 1991, 1:54:02 AM7/30/91
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>In article <smFu6...@bluemoon.uucp> c...@bluemoon.uucp (Colin Cockrell) writes:
>
> Did I get a totally different version of IG #3 from everybody else?
> (The following are paraphrases, of course...)
> The Vision tells She-Hulk: "Thanos can't be defeated unless he WANTS
> to be defeated, as he apparently did the last two times we fought him."

This is a rather large retcon. The first time Thanos was defeated
because he was physically linked with the cosmic cube. (This is "the"
cosmic cube, the original----not the retconned into an egg cosmic cube.)


The second time, Mortal Thanos could hardly have known that Adam
Warlock was going to come back from the dead or that Lord Chaos and
Master Order were going to take an interest in stopping him.

Considering that She-hulk had never seen Thanos to that point or
had fought him face to face, the source of her vast knowledge and exprence
escapes me.

Whatever the story justification for what happend, it ended up
being just another giant team-up of misc. characters.

+> And what's this about "corpses" and Thanos "gripping the Hulk by the
+> throat" (mentioned in other postings on this issue)? On the final page
+> of MY copy, the heroes had only just arrived to face Thanos, and hadn't
+> started fighting yet. Or did I miss something?

Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).

Milton W. Kuo

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Jul 30, 1991, 3:17:58 AM7/30/91
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In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

[lots of stuff deleted]

> Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
>of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
>it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).

If anyone's to blame, I think it should be George Perez. He got way
behind schedule on the artwork and that's why Ron Lim will do the artwork
for Infinitely Stupid Gauntlet starting issue #4 (as much as I like Mar-
vel books, this is really "Infinitely Stupid." This story had the poten-
tial to be much better. I was hoping that Thanos would lose the Gauntlet
to Mephisto (Makes sense kind of -- Mephisto is good at tricking people)
but this had to be a mega-crossover. The only good thing I've seen is a
dead Wolverine but that's not permanent. *sigh*

Milton W. Kuo
mil...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Theo O'Neal

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Jul 30, 1991, 11:07:01 AM7/30/91
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this guy over here (Colin Cockrell) scribes:

> I myself find it hard to believe that ANY one can harm Thanos. I
>suppose that they can be a distraction but they have no hope of doing any
>real harm. IG#3 was decent, by no means great. I too enjoyed the rooftop
>scene with Hulk/Wolvie.

That's kinda the attitude that I had too...I'm glad to see that it was
true by Thanos utterly destroying the assembled Marvel heroes...come on, this
guy is juggling planets with the brainpower it takes us mere mortals to watch
the Regis and Kathy Lee show, and puny upstart humans like Adam Warlock and
Doc Strange are gonna try and get him??? Puh-leeze...

Though, unfortunately, I see a way for Warlock's plan to work...in that
little scene before Surfer and Warlock went to kick Thanos's butt, Warlock made
him meditate on the possibilities, or whatever...this reminds me of that
episode of Star Trek where they were at the OK Corral and Spock made them
beleive that the bullets weren't real...in other words, Warlock's plan is
*still* to have Surfer wrest the Gauntlet from Thanos, but now he'll do it
when Thanos isn't expecting it: when he thinks he's won...the reason he's
not trying to do it now is that there is sort of a post-hypnotic suggestion
planted in his brain that will only make him remember the true plan when a
specific event occurs...I hope this is not the way it will unfold...it's far
too simple, but I think that that's the only way it can be done now...

I think we're in for a looong three months...
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David Hafken

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Jul 30, 1991, 3:47:38 PM7/30/91
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In article <53...@ut-emx.uucp> mil...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Milton W. Kuo) writes:
>> Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
>>of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
>>it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).


Could someone please explain what happens in SS#55? I don't follow this book,
and I (stupidly) have gotten the first three issues of IG (though I doubt I
will get any more, especially since GP is leaving and I thought the strongest
part of the book was the art). So I (kind of) would like to know what happens.

Dave

Lance Visser

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Jul 30, 1991, 4:38:43 PM7/30/91
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In <47...@netnews.upenn.edu> haf...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Hafken) writes:

Spoilers for Infinity Gauntlet #4 and Silver Surfer #55.

>Could someone please explain what happens in SS#55? I don't follow this book,
>and I (stupidly) have gotten the first three issues of IG (though I doubt I
>will get any more, especially since GP is leaving and I thought the strongest
>part of the book was the art). So I (kind of) would like to know what happens.

Everyone who went after Thanos at the end of Infinity Gauntlet 3
has been slaughtered. Including Dr. Strange who was to have stayed behind
and Galactus who came from who knows where is dead.

Warlock reveals that part of his plan is to have the surfer swoop in
very fast during the battle and steal the gauntlet. This does not work.
Thanos gets angry and kills Mephispo, He turns warlock to stone and crumbles
him.
Death is now, for reasons unknown, deeply in love with thanos again.
Thanos decides that the surfer will be his "historian" for his new age. There
is then a bunch of stuff on what thanos new universe looks like.


Warlock did something funny with the surfer at the beginning of the
story, so I assume that he has survived somehow.

Andrew David Weiland

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Jul 30, 1991, 7:16:00 PM7/30/91
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Here be Spoilers
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> Everyone who went after Thanos at the end of Infinity Gauntlet 3
>has been slaughtered. Including Dr. Strange who was to have stayed
>behind and Galactus who came from who knows where is dead.
>
> Warlock reveals that part of his plan is to have the surfer swoop >in
very fast during the battle and steal the gauntlet. This does not work.
>Thanos gets angry and kills Mephispo, He turns warlock to stone and
>crumbles him.
> Death is now, for reasons unknown, deeply in love with thanos >again.

That isn't Marvel Death, but Terraxa, who was created by Thanos at the
end of Infinity Gauntlet #3 (note the blue skin). Thanos created her
when Death continued to reject him. He seems to regard her as the real
McCoy, but perhaps that's just to spite Marvel Death.

I wonder. Marvel Death had a right to be angry; all of her choicest
possessions, especially among the X-men, are coming back to the land of
the living. But didn't She see that by re-creating Thanos, She was only
adding to the problem?

>Thanos decides that the surfer will be his "historian" for his new age.
>There is then a bunch of stuff on what thanos new universe looks like.

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Mick

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Jul 31, 1991, 6:03:09 AM7/31/91
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In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> Death is now, for reasons unknown, deeply in love with thanos again.
>Thanos decides that the surfer will be his "historian" for his new age. There
>is then a bunch of stuff on what thanos new universe looks like.
>

I missed this part. Wasn't that the "perfect woman" that Thanos
created for himself that he was hanging out with in Silver Surfer #55?
I read this issue pretty quickly, but I thought Death was nowhere to be seen.

Mick

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Lance Visser

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Jul 31, 1991, 11:42:25 AM7/31/91
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In <23...@brahms.udel.edu> mic...@brahms.udel.edu (Mick) writes:

+>In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
+>> Death is now, for reasons unknown, deeply in love with thanos again.
+>>Thanos decides that the surfer will be his "historian" for his new age. There
+>>is then a bunch of stuff on what thanos new universe looks like.
+>>

+> I missed this part. Wasn't that the "perfect woman" that Thanos
+>created for himself that he was hanging out with in Silver Surfer #55?
+>I read this issue pretty quickly, but I thought Death was nowhere to be seen.

If that is the case, then people are not communicating very well.
The "perfect" woman in IG #3 had a purple face and Thanos-style headgear.
He also called her death and made references to he "being" at his feet now
in Silver Surfer #55.
As to the "blueness", Starlin's death did have a blue skin color
in the original appearances in Captain Marvel.

RD Francis

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Jul 31, 1991, 2:41:11 PM7/31/91
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Actually, I suspect this has less to do with focussing on the editors,
and more to do with the changes in the way Marvel does business. The
Bullpen Bulletins *I* remember from *my* early days of comics
collecting (and the ones I occasionally still wind up reading when I
re-read a run of a title, from before I started buying) talked about
both the creative staff and the behind the scenes people. However,
back in those days, the creators who worked for Marvel lived in New
York City, and may very well have had an office in Marvel's building.
When you wrote up the Bullpen Bulletins, you just noted the interested
things that happened around the Bullpen (AKA the Marvel offices).
Today, most (if not all) of the creators who *aren't* editors
free-lance, and presumably aren't around the office that much. Thus,
they're still doing the same old thing (writing about what's been
happening around the office), but the players have changed (the only
people around are the behind-the-scenes folks). Presumably, the fact
that we're in the middle of the convention season may have something
to do with any perceived differences in what's covered there (i.e.,
the person who writes the page has gotten to see some of those
creators that they normally don't get to see); then again, I don't
know how much lead time there is to the page, so I don't know if
convention season could be responsible for the change or not.

In any case, it's not egocentrism that has changed who the Bullpen
Bulletins page focuses on, but a change in the way Marvel does
business with its creative staff, I suspect.
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James Drew

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Jul 31, 1991, 2:19:29 PM7/31/91
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Lance Visser (vis...@convex.com) writes:

> Considering that She-hulk had never seen Thanos to that point or
>had fought him face to face, the source of her vast knowledge and exprence
>escapes me.

She is a once and current member of the Avengers, and a former member of the
Fantastic Four. Both keep extensive (and interconnected, after Reed and Sue
joined the Avengers) databases of the foes and their past "cases." Jennifer
simply perused the Thanos entries heavily at some point.

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Lance Visser

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Jul 31, 1991, 8:24:44 PM7/31/91
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>In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

+>>In <47...@netnews.upenn.edu> haf...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Hafken) writes:
+>>
+>> Spoilers for Infinity Gauntlet #4 and Silver Surfer #55.
+>
+>>
+>This is totally confusing me.
+>I've heard that if Galactus dies, the universe is destroyed.

+>(old spoilers.....)
+>
+>Someone told me when Galactus reached Earth, the Watcher allowed someone to find the Ultimate Nullifier in Galactus's ship, stopping him from eating the earth.

By Mark Grunwald's retcon of a few years ago, the Ultimate Nullifier
can only be used at the cost of the destruction of the user and the target.

The Nullifier appeared for the first time in Fantastic Four #50. I
dont think as a plot gimmick that it is or was very good.
The still-open question is what exactly is Thanos state. I mean
he is "dead" and his original body (turned to stone) is not the one he is
using....so what exactly is he?

Howard Kim

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Jul 31, 1991, 5:36:40 PM7/31/91
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In article <visser.6...@convex.convex.com> vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
This is totally confusing me.
I've heard that if Galactus dies, the universe is destroyed.

(old spoilers.....)



Someone told me when Galactus reached Earth, the Watcher allowed someone to find the Ultimate Nullifier in Galactus's ship, stopping him from eating the earth.

Why don't they use that????

Will G. Austin

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Aug 1, 1991, 9:24:13 AM8/1/91
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In a previous article, vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) says:

>In <1991Jul30.0...@morrow.stanford.edu> cle...@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Cleavy McKnight) writes:
>
>>In article <smFu6...@bluemoon.uucp> c...@bluemoon.uucp (Colin Cockrell) writes:
>>

* Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
*of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
*it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).
*
*

Gee. . .doesn't this just fit this idiocy??
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Theo O'Neal

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>In a previous article, vis...@convex.com (Lance Visser) says:

>>In <1991Jul30.0...@morrow.stanford.edu> cle...@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Cleavy McKnight) writes:
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>>>In article <smFu6...@bluemoon.uucp> c...@bluemoon.uucp (Colin Cockrell) writes:
>>>

>* Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
>*of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
>*it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).
>*
>*

Could it be that we needn't see the battle??? Must you have and entire
issue of blood just to know that Thanos whipped they little heineys???

I thought the ordering of the issues was correct...why do we need a
battle scene if we know the outcome???

Patrick Haggood

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Aug 2, 1991, 5:12:04 PM8/2/91
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>"An apology for the devil:it must be remembered that we have heard one side of
>the case. God has written all the books." --Samuel Butler
>
Interesting quote. I wonder if we'd all have more respect for Adolf if
we read, say, Mein Kampf rather than Churchill's book... NOT!


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Robert Kelly

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Aug 5, 1991, 12:41:27 PM8/5/91
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Patrick Haggood writes:

>Interesting quote. I wonder if we'd all have more respect for Adolf if
>we read, say, Mein Kampf rather than Churchill's book... NOT!


To tell you the truth, Hitler's Mein Kampf is quite the honest truth.
He said, don't tell small lies, tell big ones, people will be afraid to
challenge you on them (paraphrased.) I have respect for a man who
moved a nation to organize.

I honestly regret he did it by fear and patriotism, for twisted values,
rather than any positive and lasting effects.

T'is sad that only good men die as martyrs.

Robert Kelly
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Alan B Meisler

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Aug 5, 1991, 9:22:59 PM8/5/91
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>In article <smFu6...@bluemoon.uucp> c...@bluemoon.uucp (Colin Cockrell) writes:
>

>* Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
>*of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
>*it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).
>*
>*

>>In article <1991Aug2.0...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> (Theo O'Neal) adds:

> Could it be that we needn't see the battle??? Must you have and entire
>issue of blood just to know that Thanos whipped they little heineys???

> I thought the ordering of the issues was correct...why do we need a
>battle scene if we know the outcome???

We don't necessarily need a battle scene, but we do need something between "let's get them" and "they're all dead". First of all, remember that most people won't read the Silver Surfer story (they're already paying $2.50 for IG). They only know what happens in IG. So, either IG readers see their story skip entire scenes (and get really confused) or people who read SS are getting pieces of the story from IG #4. (And two issues of SS at that, since SS is bi-weekly at this point.)

Either way it's very sloppy planning of crossovers.

Besides, where did Galactus come from. Was he hiding behind Spider-Man? :)

Hank Driskill

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Aug 6, 1991, 9:45:47 AM8/6/91
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>>* Silver Surfer #55 has been published at the wrong time. The contents
>>*of that issue (probably) dont happen until after IG #4. I bought it and read
>>*it without knowing this (thank you Marvel).
>
>We don't necessarily need a battle scene, but we do need something between "let's get them" and "they're all dead". First of all, remember that most people won't read the Silver Surfer story (they're already paying $2.50 for IG). They only know what happens in IG. So, either IG readers see their story skip entire scenes (and get really confused) or people who read SS are getting pieces of the story from IG #4. (And two issues of SS at that, since SS is bi-weekly at this point.)
>
>Either way it's very sloppy planning of crossovers.
>
>Besides, where did Galactus come from. Was he hiding behind Spider-Man? :)

First: IG #3 was one week late... it was supposed to come out a week before
SS#55.

Second: Reread SS#55. Warlock calms Surfer, Surfer begins meditating, then
Warlock wakes him up and the two get trashed... first of all, seemed like all
this was a dream sequence to me (Warlock's plan will not be revealed in SS,
since Marvel - and Starlin - have made it clear that the crossovers are NOT
necessary to the story), and secondly I don't think Warlock's plan is quite
so dumb (Keep him busy and Surfer grab it? Something Surfer might have
thought up, but not Warlock).

Third: SPOILERS on top of SPOILERS :-)... The new issue of Marvel Requirer
says that SS #56 is part two of the "Universe According To Thanos", where
SS is Thanos's prisoner, until... IG#4, where the heroes battle Thanos, the
dieties get ready, and the Surfer makes his move. Also, in IG#5 Thanos loses
the guantlet, so I'm willing to bet that Warlock's plan succeeds... maybe not
completely (they still have IG#6) but mostly.

Hank Driskill
Grad Student from Hell (in 3D)

Ken Bartlett

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Aug 6, 1991, 1:42:48 PM8/6/91
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I bought IG #3, but thought it was pretty bad...then with all the discussion
on SS #55, I went out and got it, just to not feel left out of the conver-
sation. (Poor me, huh?)

I agree with Hank Driskill...it all looks like a Warlock-induced dream
sequence, from page 2 on. I saw it and said, "Well, obviously, that's just
a hallucination." Perhaps Warlock is trying to show Silver Surfer the
importance of winning this fight, at any cost, and prepare him for the
Final Battle?

--Dream

(It's STILL dumb, by the way)

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