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Bobcat

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Jan 5, 2004, 10:22:15 AM1/5/04
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With increased frequency, Brooke's strips in their originality go beyond
what we see in comics/webcomics pages, into the kind of works displayed in
modern art galleries.

http://www.comics.com/comics/chickweed/index.html


Beefies

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Jan 5, 2004, 11:00:23 AM1/5/04
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BUT for the fatal flaw that the figure in the left panel is shaded by
approximately 20 window blind stripes from head to knee (allowing for three
or four overlaying the black leotard) while her shadow in the left panel has
at most 15 stripes, head to knee. The number of stripes per body expanse
should of course be the same. This is the kind of rookie mistake Rembrandt
or Degas would never have made.

I joke, of course. It's a lovely strip, as are many Chickweed Lanes. And I'm
not just sucking up because Brooke sometimes hangs his hat here.

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Bobcat

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Jan 5, 2004, 12:13:20 PM1/5/04
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Little men in bowler hats don't float through the air holding umbrellas -
and Magritte was no rookie when he painted them. The disparate window
blind/shadow count is artistic license. And of course, I joke too! :>)

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J.D. Baldwin

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Jan 5, 2004, 1:39:27 PM1/5/04
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In the previous article, Bobcat <bob_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Little men in bowler hats don't float through the air holding
> umbrellas - and Magritte was no rookie when he painted them. The
> disparate window blind/shadow count is artistic license. And of
> course, I joke too! :>)

Ceci n'est-pas un followup.
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Bobcat

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"J.D. Baldwin" <INVALID...@example.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> In the previous article, Bobcat <bob_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Little men in bowler hats don't float through the air holding
> > umbrellas - and Magritte was no rookie when he painted them. The
> > disparate window blind/shadow count is artistic license. And of
> > course, I joke too! :>)
>
> Ceci n'est-pas un followup.

Pourquoi pas?


Beefies

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Jan 5, 2004, 4:51:47 PM1/5/04
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> Ceci n'est-pas un followup.
> --

Surreal.


Beefies

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Jan 5, 2004, 4:54:22 PM1/5/04
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> Pourquoi pas?
>
>
At the risk of ruining a gag by explaining it, J.D. is riffing on Magritte's
painting "The Betrayal of Images": a depiction of a pipe with the legend
"Ceci n'est pas une pipe" beneath it. Good one.


Default User

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Jan 5, 2004, 5:51:03 PM1/5/04
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It still baffles me that the Post-Dispatch dumped this strip after a
couple weeks to satiate the Mark Trail crybabies.


Brian Rodenborn

JGM

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Jan 5, 2004, 6:28:51 PM1/5/04
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Default User wrote:

>http://www.comics.com/comics/chickweed/index.html
>
>It still baffles me that the Post-Dispatch dumped this strip after a
>couple weeks to satiate the Mark Trail crybabies.

Maybe it was just an excuse to save ink.

JGM

Biffy the Elephant Shrew

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Jan 5, 2004, 10:05:36 PM1/5/04
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Beefies wrote:

>BUT for the fatal flaw that the figure in the left panel is shaded by
>approximately 20 window blind stripes from head to knee (allowing for three
>or four overlaying the black leotard) while her shadow in the left panel
>has at most 15 stripes, head to knee. The number of stripes per body expanse
>should of course be the same. This is the kind of rookie mistake Rembrandt
>or Degas would never have made.

She's dancing past two different windows. Nyah!


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I don't want to be right."--Bucky Katt

Blinky the Wonder Gazelle

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Jan 5, 2004, 11:00:48 PM1/5/04
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A question for Brooke:

What is your technique for these wonderful drawings with so much dark ink?
From the little a know about cartooning, it seems it must take a long time
to sketch the images and ink in all the black.


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Bobcat

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Jan 5, 2004, 5:21:37 PM1/5/04
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Indeed! I may have seen it at the Chicago Art Institute years ago at a
wonderful Magritte exhibit where a lot of his most famous works were
displayed, including the locomotive emerging from the fireplace - and those
little floating guys with the brollies and bowler hats.


Bobcat

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Jan 6, 2004, 9:38:54 AM1/6/04
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"Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> With increased frequency, Brooke's strips in their originality go beyond
> what we see in comics/webcomics pages, into the kind of works displayed in
> modern art galleries.

The old link I gave on Jan 5, which is all that existed on Jan. 5th, will
now give you the current strip. Here's the permanent link (I think) for the
strip in question:

http://www.comics.com/comics/chickweed/archive/chickweed-20040105.html


Klyfix

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Jan 6, 2004, 10:26:46 AM1/6/04
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In article <55KdnZem66c...@comcast.com>, "Blinky the Wonder Gazelle"
<wkharri...@yahoo.com> writes:

>
>What is your technique for these wonderful drawings with so much dark ink?
>From the little a know about cartooning, it seems it must take a long time
>to sketch the images and ink in all the black.

Maybe he draws the image, then cuts out the areas that are to be black,
puts it on a paper and sprays ink over it. Like a stencil. :)

(of course that can't even be close to right, right?)

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Brooke McEldowney

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Jan 6, 2004, 1:40:26 PM1/6/04
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> From: "Blinky the Wonder Gazelle" <wkharri...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:00:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: 9CL Jan 5

>
> A question for Brooke:
>
> What is your technique for these wonderful drawings with so much dark ink?
> From the little a know about cartooning, it seems it must take a long time
> to sketch the images and ink in all the black.
>

When I draw on paper (as opposed to employing a computer), I just use a
paintbrush and India ink. I have also gone the other way, by drawing with
white ink on a dark background.

A computer with a digital graphics tablet is my medium for my syndicated
work; so when large areas of black are necessary, I fill them rather than
paint them in. All in all, drawing via computer doesn't take me any less
time, but where filling in large expanses with one color is concerned, the
fill tool is instantaneous, whereas painting it in with a brush (carefully)
is pretty slow.

A little later this week you'll see some of the slowest computer drawing
I've ever done in Pibgorn, all in what looks like monchrome.

Brooke
9 Chickweed Lane
and
Pibgorn

John Reiher

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Jan 6, 2004, 1:58:15 PM1/6/04
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In article <BC206B4A.B5A0%9chickw...@comcast.net>,
Brooke McEldowney <9chickw...@comcast.net> wrote:

> A little later this week you'll see some of the slowest computer drawing
> I've ever done in Pibgorn, all in what looks like monchrome.

Ooh, can't wait. When will you be collecting Pibgorn into a book?

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Sherwood Harrington

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Jan 7, 2004, 1:56:57 AM1/7/04
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Brooke McEldowney (9chickw...@comcast.net) wrote:

: A little later this week you'll see some of the slowest computer drawing


: I've ever done in Pibgorn, all in what looks like monchrome.

Wow.

Wow, wow, wow.

*That's* the kind of image I had in mind when I spent 'way too much money
on this monitor. The *gorgeous* subtlety of that last frame would never,
ever translate well to newsprint.

Thank you again, sir.

--
Sherwood Harrington
Boulder Creek, California

Jym Dyer

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Jan 7, 2004, 9:13:37 AM1/7/04
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> J.D. is riffing on Magritte's painting "The Betrayal of
> Images": a depiction of a pipe with the legend "Ceci n'est pas
> une pipe" beneath it.

echo "Ceci n'est pas une pipe." | cat - >/dev/tty

<_Jym_>

Richard Hoskins

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Jan 8, 2004, 11:05:05 AM1/8/04
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Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> writes:

> echo "Ceci n'est pas une pipe." | cat - >/dev/tty

^^^
Better be careful, Randal Schwartz may be watching.

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Mark Jackson

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Jan 8, 2004, 11:30:26 AM1/8/04
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"Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com> writes:

> "Beefies" <fiesN...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mrGdncZVgJO...@comcast.com...

> > At the risk of ruining a gag by explaining it, J.D. is riffing on


> Magritte's
> > painting "The Betrayal of Images": a depiction of a pipe with the legend
> > "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" beneath it. Good one.

> Indeed! I may have seen it at the Chicago Art Institute years ago at a
> wonderful Magritte exhibit where a lot of his most famous works were
> displayed, including the locomotive emerging from the fireplace - and those
> little floating guys with the brollies and bowler hats.

Perhaps - but could you be thinking instead of "Surrealism in Chicago
Collections," an exhibition at the Contemporary back before they got
their new building? (That was quite a show, as there has been
continuing high interest in surrealism in Chicago among art collectors
and practitioners - and, for that matter, political observers - right
up to the present day.)

Some years ago, in support of getting a long-delayed product program
out the door, a Chief Engineer started pushing "This is not a drill" as
a slogan (with lapel buttons and the whole bit). I made up a small
sign depicting a hand drill (a brace and bit) and the legend "Ceci
n'est pas un foret," ran off some copies, and a
co-conspirator^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hworker posted them all over the
program area one night. They didn't stay up for long.

--
Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
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some data was bound to be misleading if not plain wrong.
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Bobcat

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Jan 8, 2004, 12:49:28 PM1/8/04
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"Mark Jackson" <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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> "Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > "Beefies" <fiesN...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:mrGdncZVgJO...@comcast.com...
>
> > > At the risk of ruining a gag by explaining it, J.D. is riffing on
> > Magritte's
> > > painting "The Betrayal of Images": a depiction of a pipe with the
legend
> > > "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" beneath it. Good one.
>
> > Indeed! I may have seen it at the Chicago Art Institute years ago at a
> > wonderful Magritte exhibit where a lot of his most famous works were
> > displayed, including the locomotive emerging from the fireplace - and
those
> > little floating guys with the brollies and bowler hats.

> Perhaps - but could you be thinking instead of "Surrealism in Chicago
> Collections," an exhibition at the Contemporary back before they got
> their new building?

> Mark Jackson

I knew it was the Art Institute because I remember that after I saw the
Magrittes, I was delighted to meet in person some old friends in the
permanent collection I'd only known from photos, including Edward Hopper's
"Nighthawks", Grant Wood's "American Gothic", and Georges Seurat's "Un
dimanche après-midi à l'Ile de la Grande Jatte" (what a great gallery!) But
I wasn't sure of the year I was there, so I checked the Art Institute's
website and found this brief note: "March, 1993 - Magritte Retrospective,
exhibition venue". Over ten years ago! It seems like last week.


Mark Jackson

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Jan 8, 2004, 3:09:19 PM1/8/04
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And I finally found a web mention of "Dada and Surrealism in Chicago
Collections" - that was in 1984! The particular Magritte could well
have been on loan for the occasion.

Love Seurat, and "Nighthawks." I once received a Christmas card
showing Santa and reindeer suffering post-holiday letdown in the
Nighthawks diner, which does capture a certain mood. Credited to
"Talbott 1984."

Bobcat

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"Mark Jackson" <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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> "Bobcat" <bob_...@hotmail.com> writes:

> Love Seurat, and "Nighthawks." I once received a Christmas card
> showing Santa and reindeer suffering post-holiday letdown in the
> Nighthawks diner, which does capture a certain mood. Credited to
> "Talbott 1984."

> Mark Jackson

Two of the works I mentioned are ripe for parody. American Gothic has had
the full treatment - I especially remember the TV commercial for Kellogg's
cornflakes in which the farmer with the pitchfork and his wife look deadpan
straight into the camera and sing something like "...So buy our cornflakes,
that's Kellogg's cornflakes, you try our cornflakes, they're made from
corn!"
As for "Nighthawks", besides Santa and reindeer, an Austrian artist peopled
Hopper's diner with Humphrey Bogart, Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe. And
in a thumbnail in this fanzine contest, who's at the counter but Batman, and
Robin (who's trying out his pickup skills).

http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing40/artresults.shtml


J.D. Baldwin

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Jan 8, 2004, 5:37:54 PM1/8/04
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In the previous article, Bobcat <bob_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Two of the works I mentioned are ripe for parody. American Gothic [...]
>
> As for "Nighthawks", [...]

All three, actually; I've seen several takeoffs on "La Grande Jatte."

D Olz

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Jan 8, 2004, 8:13:24 PM1/8/04
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Bobcat wrote:

<snipped>

>I knew it was the Art Institute because I remember that after I saw the
>Magrittes, I was delighted to meet in person some old friends in the
>permanent collection I'd only known from photos, including Edward Hopper's
>"Nighthawks", Grant Wood's "American Gothic", and Georges Seurat's "Un
>dimanche après-midi à l'Ile de la Grande Jatte" (what a great gallery!) But
>I wasn't sure of the year I was there, so I checked the Art Institute's
>website and found this brief note: "March, 1993 - Magritte Retrospective,
>exhibition venue". Over ten years ago! It seems like last week.

Everytime I see "Nighthawks" my mind immediately goes to Hemingway's "A
Clean, Well-Light Place".

Olz

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deserve neither liberty nor safety”

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