Bummer: "Randolph Itch 2 a.m." cancelled by comics.com
Eric S. Harris
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> Another one bites the dust. -Eric
>
Well, Toles had to stop writing them a few months ago as part of his
new job (no idea why: it didn't hurt othe quality of his work at the
Buffalo News to be doing a side project, and gave him an outlet for non
political stuff). That's two comics he's stopped now :(
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Mark Jackson
> Another one bites the dust. -Eric
Toles is ending the strip as part of his new contract as editorial
cartoonist for the /Washington Post/. See
http://pc99.detnews.com/aaec/story/details.hbs?myrec=138
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Trncobrien
and 9/30 onward are from 2000, so it may be getting the "Meg-Meatloaf Night"
deal from Comics.com.
Eric S. Harris
It's worth reading when it arrives in my inbox, but it's not something I'd go
hunting for. Maybe I'll read it when I go for a week's worth of "Li'l Abner".
Or not; reading a week of "Li'l Abner" all at once enhances the experience, but
has little (or a negative) effect on my reading of "Randolph". -Eric S.
DD DEGG CO
If I am not mistaken, it ran, daily and Sunday, from
January 3, 2000 until it died July 13, 2002.
At which point it arose, zombie-like, and has been
running reprints on the web (have any papers been
running the reruns?) since July 14, 2002.
It has never been satisfactorily explained why the
Washington Post demanded(?) that Toles retire
Randolph to get his ed-op job at the Post.
But is it now completely dead? Comics.com is not
yet running a strip for October 6.
D.D.Degg
D Olz
Washington Post demanded(?) that Toles retire
Randolph to get his ed-op job at the Post.
But is it now completely dead? Comics.com is not
yet running a strip for October 6.
D.D.Degg >>
Perhaps the first line from their policy on letters to the editor might shed
some light.
" Editorial Policy
Letters must be exclusive to The Washington Post, and must include the writer's
home address and home and business telephone numbers. (Letters via regular mail
should also be signed.) Because of space limitations, those published are
subject to abridgment. Although we are unable to acknowledge those letters we
cannot publish, we appreciate the interest and value the views of those who
take the time to send us their comments."
I read it as they don't share and play well with others.
Olz
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety”
Benjamin Franklin (1706–1790)
Mike Peterson
"D Olz" <do...@aol.commsn> wrote in message
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> << It has never been satisfactorily explained why the
> Washington Post demanded(?) that Toles retire
> Randolph to get his ed-op job at the Post.
>
> But is it now completely dead? Comics.com is not
> yet running a strip for October 6.
>
>
> D.D.Degg >>
>
> Perhaps the first line from their policy on letters to the editor might
shed
> some light.
>
> " Editorial Policy
>
>
> Letters must be exclusive to The Washington Post, and must include the
writer's
> home address and home and business telephone numbers. (Letters via regular
> should also be signed.) Because of space limitations, those published are
> subject to abridgment. Although we are unable to acknowledge those letters
we
> cannot publish, we appreciate the interest and value the views of those
who
> take the time to send us their comments."
>
> I read it as they don't share and play well with others.
>
I read it as a very standard letters policy.
As for their desire to have the undivided attention of their editorial
cartoonist, I don't find that particularly mysterious either. At small
papers, newsroom staff often have outside jobs, because their salaries are
miniscule. (Journalism as a whole is the lowest paying job category that
requires a college degree.) But when you take one of the top half-dozen
positions in the nation (and I choose "half-dozen" simply to forestall a
pointless debate), the pay should be commensurate with that stature, and the
employer should be able to ask for and receive your undivided energy.
Of course, it doesn't mean you can't write a book on your free time, or take
two weeks to lecture at a college somewhere in the summer. But the grind of
a seven-day strip? If I'm the Washington Post, I want my editorial
cartoonist bearing down hard on the job I'm paying him for -- if he's got
time to put out a strip on the side, he's not giving me his best effort.
Toles was very welcome in Buffalo. He had the option of staying there. He
was willing to move from a community he loves, and that loved him back --
the educational services department at the News was heartbroken to lose such
a generous supporter of school programs! And he was willing to give up
Randolph Itch.
MacNelly (were he alive) or Peters might have refused. Toles didn't. I guess
the answer is, he wanted to do what he has done. If two years down the road
you see him back at a small paper and doing a strip on the side, well, I
guess it wasn't a good decision. But, for now, I don't see any controversey
with the Post's requirement or his acceptance of it.
Mike Peterson
Glens Falls NY
ShadZ
>
> If I am not mistaken, it ran, daily and Sunday, from
> January 3, 2000 until it died July 13, 2002.
> At which point it arose, zombie-like, and has been
> running reprints on the web (have any papers been
> running the reruns?) since July 14, 2002.
The (Denver) Rocky Mountian News has been running the reruns.
> It has never been satisfactorily explained why the
> Washington Post demanded(?) that Toles retire
> Randolph to get his ed-op job at the Post.
>
> But is it now completely dead? Comics.com is not
> yet running a strip for October 6.
The RMN replaced it today with "Go Figure" by J. C. ("The Fusco
Brothers") Duffy.
ShadZ
DD DEGG CO
>> Washington Post demanded(?) that Toles retire
>> Randolph
>But when you take one of the top half-dozen
>positions in the nation (and I choose "half-dozen" simply to forestall a
>pointless debate), the pay should be commensurate with that stature, and the
>employer should be able to ask for and receive your undivided energy.
>But, for now, I don't see any controversey
>with the Post's requirement or his acceptance of it.
>Mike Peterson
Undoubtedly very few ed-op cartoonists would turn down the
opportunity to play the Capitol. And I would think he does
some "easy" illustrations for the Post, besides his
commentary cartoons. (Easy in the sense that an editor
calls him and asks if he can supply artwork for an article
about... whatever. No heavy thinking about a point of view
or punchline.)
But I still like Olz' take on the matter:
>they don't share and play well with others.
ps: Thank you ShadZ for that information.
Apparently UFS kept it in reprints until they
could get a replacement panel for it.
J.D. Baldwin
In the previous article, Mike Peterson <pete...@nelliebly.org> wrote:
> (Journalism as a whole is the lowest paying job category that
> requires a college degree.)
My wife, a former social services worker (who has a master's degree in
the field and earned about $16K at her full-time job in 1990) might
disagree sharply with that. And note that some journalists go on to
become multi-multi-millionaires. No social services employees ever
do, at least not without going into politics.
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Mike Peterson
"J.D. Baldwin" <INVALID...@example.com> wrote in message
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>
> In the previous article, Mike Peterson <pete...@nelliebly.org> wrote:
> > (Journalism as a whole is the lowest paying job category that
> > requires a college degree.)
>
> My wife, a former social services worker (who has a master's degree in
> the field and earned about $16K at her full-time job in 1990) might
> disagree sharply with that. And note that some journalists go on to
> become multi-multi-millionaires. No social services employees ever
> do, at least not without going into politics.
Social workers are part of the larger career field that includes shrinks.
And I can pretty much guarantee that the number of psychologists, drug
treatment specialists, behavior modification mavens and so forth well
compensates for the handful of Cokie Roberts/Dan Rather types who skew
salaries in journalism.
And $16K would not be an unusual salary for a reporter -- yes, with a
masters. (We don't care about master's degrees in terms of how much we pay,
but they might help you get that job so you can live with two other
reporters over a drug store.)
What surprises me is that even TV reporters are paid crap at local stations.
They can get trades for clothes and, yes, hair styling, but they still end
up in that walk-up apartment, and they really work their asses off.
My three kids each make more than I do, and they are (I'm not making this
up) a priest, a nurse and a public school teacher.
(Some journalism schools do teach public relations, but when you leave the
newspaper to feed your family as a flack, you are considered to have left
journalism and gone into advertising, which is a subset of business and
marketing.)
Eric S. Harris
>
> In the previous article, Mike Peterson <pete...@nelliebly.org> wrote:
> > (Journalism as a whole is the lowest paying job category that
> > requires a college degree.)
>
> My wife, a former social services worker (who has a master's degree in
> the field and earned about $16K at her full-time job in 1990) might
> disagree sharply with that. And note that some journalists go on to
> become multi-multi-millionaires. No social services employees ever
> do, at least not without going into politics.
A huge quantity of food stamps went missing from a St. Louis welfare office some
years back. It was apparently an embezzlement, or a series of them.
But I don't think it was a large enough amount that the thief could be
considered a millionaire, much less a multi-millionaire. Especially after
allowing for the large discount on stolen property.
OOTC: Ummm. Ummm. Sorry. Came up blank.
Oh, got something. I'll pass the buck to the NG.
Anybody able to think of a comic strip that deals with thieves and/or fences
and/or stolen property? All I'm coming up with is Dick Tracy. Anything a
little more current?
How about embezzlement? Social services workers? Multi-multi-millionaires?
Journalists?
Bingo. OOTC: I don't read Brenda Starr. (A bit of a reach, but it's all I
have.) -Eric S.
Rob Wynne
>My three kids each make more than I do, and they are (I'm not making this
>up) a priest, a nurse and a public school teacher.
>
It does sound the start of a "walks into a bar" joke, though. "Mike
Peterson's three kids walked into a bar, and...."
I abaonded the pursuit of journalism because of a growing distaste for
tabloidism. (This was in the late 80s. I know it wasn't
necessarily a new phenominon, but it seemed to be getting worse. I'm
not sure it isn't still.) I switched my major to English, then dropped
out entirely and ended up working in computers, where I still am.
-R
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Paul L. Madarasz
<pete...@nelliebly.org> wrote, perhaps among other things...:
>And $16K would not be an unusual salary for a reporter -- yes, with a
>masters. (We don't care about master's degrees in terms of how much we pay,
>but they might help you get that job so you can live with two other
>reporters over a drug store.)
>
>What surprises me is that even TV reporters are paid crap at local stations.
>They can get trades for clothes and, yes, hair styling, but they still end
>up in that walk-up apartment, and they really work their asses off.
>
>My three kids each make more than I do, and they are (I'm not making this
>up) a priest, a nurse and a public school teacher.
>
>(Some journalism schools do teach public relations, but when you leave the
>newspaper to feed your family as a flack, you are considered to have left
>journalism and gone into advertising, which is a subset of business and
>marketing.)
Hat's off to you, Mike. About 30 years ago, while misspending my
youth, I got my toes wet in printer's ink (but, ghod, I miss that old
Royal 5 upright!). An honorable job, as opposed to, say, politics.
(Loved the Perseus, BTW)
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Mike Peterson
"Paul L. Madarasz" <pl...@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
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>
> (Loved the Perseus, BTW)
The Arizona Star has either just started, or is about to start, a 14-chapter
biography of Nellie Bly. Illustrations once again by "Bruno Baldwin" artist
Christopher Baldwin.
We don't send the kiddies to read Bruno -- that might be a little more
educational than their mommies and daddies are comfortable with -- but it's
a daily stop on my comics schedule.
Mark Jackson
> The Arizona Star has either just started, or is about to start, a 14-chapter
> biography of Nellie Bly. Illustrations once again by "Bruno Baldwin" artist
> Christopher Baldwin.
Excellent; wish I could see it.
> We don't send the kiddies to read Bruno -- that might be a little more
> educational than their mommies and daddies are comfortable with
Then was I wrong to link to it from our church website
http://www.rochesterunitarian.org/1997-98/980308.html
even with the disclaimer?
Mike Peterson
"Mark Jackson" <mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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> "Mike Peterson" <pete...@nelliebly.org> writes:
>
> > The Arizona Star has either just started, or is about to start, a
14-chapter
> > biography of Nellie Bly. Illustrations once again by "Bruno Baldwin"
artist
> > Christopher Baldwin.
>
> Excellent; wish I could see it.
>
> > We don't send the kiddies to read Bruno -- that might be a little more
> > educational than their mommies and daddies are comfortable with
>
> Then was I wrong to link to it from our church website
>
> http://www.rochesterunitarian.org/1997-98/980308.html
>
> even with the disclaimer?
>
thought them openminded enough to be able to handle it.
Boy, Christopher's art (and storytelling skill) has really developed in five
years. Well, I guess it would be pretty bizarre if it hadn't. But it's quite
a shock to take a leap that far back.
Chris Clarke
"Mike Peterson" <pete...@nelliebly.org> wrote:
> Nah -- It's impossible to offend Unitarians. They are flattered that you
> thought them openminded enough to be able to handle it.
Which prompts them to Make A Joyful Noise Unto Whom It May Concern.
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Mike Peterson
"Paul L. Madarasz" <pl...@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
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>
> (Loved the Perseus, BTW)
The Arizona Star has either just started, or is about to start, a 14-chapter
biography of Nellie Bly. Illustrations once again by "Bruno Baldwin" artist
Christopher Baldwin.
We don't send the kiddies to read Bruno -- that might be a little more
educational than their mommies and daddies are comfortable with -- but it's
a daily stop on my comics schedule.
Mike Peterson
Glens Falls NY