"Conservatives' Answer to Doonesbury"
D. D. Degg
"The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin Tuma.
The news/pr article
http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE=
contains a link to the webcomic
http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
Some samples of Tuma's editorial cartoons:
http://www.libertyforall.net/?cat=25
D.D.Degg
D.D.Degg
Mark Jackson
> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>
> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin Tuma.
>
> The news/pr article
> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE=
> contains a link to the webcomic
> http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
January 15: is this hack completely ignorant of the political leanings
of the Jack Acid Society?
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Freezer
> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>
> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin
> Tuma.
>
> The news/pr article
> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
> Y=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE= contains a link to the
> webcomic http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
Do all conservative strips share some sort of community bank of
punchlines, or it truly the best they can do to harp on Obama's media
darling status?
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Pat O'Neill
> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>
> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin Tuma.
>
> contains a link to the webcomichttp://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
>
> Some samples of Tuma's editorial cartoons:http://www.libertyforall.net/?cat=25
>
> D.D.Degg
>
> D.D.Degg
What all these "conservative alternatives to Doonesbury" miss is that
Trudeau's work does not harp on Washington all the time. And it does
not use actual political figures to make its point all the time
either. Doonesbury has a vast cast of characters, of varying social
and political types, that Trudeau uses to point up and critique issues
in many areas of American life. When a conservative strip has a
character like Jimmy Thudpucker it will have begun to approach the
level of humor that Doonesbury has for nearly four decades now.
Tove Momerathsson
> If I don't respond to this D. D. Degg post, the terrorists win.
>
>> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>>
>> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin
>> Tuma.
>>
>> The news/pr article
>> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
>> Y=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE= contains a link to the
>> webcomic http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
>
> Do all conservative strips share some sort of community bank of
> punchlines, or it truly the best they can do to harp on Obama's media
> darling status?
>
Yes.
Tove
Dann
news:Xns9BAAD990BE00Bf...@69.16.185.247.
> If I don't respond to this D. D. Degg post, the terrorists win.
>
>> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>>
>> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin
>> Tuma.
>>
>> The news/pr article
>> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
>> Y=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE= contains a link to the
>> webcomic http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
>
> Do all conservative strips share some sort of community bank of
> punchlines, or it truly the best they can do to harp on Obama's media
> darling status?
>
Let's see....thus far he has retained all sorts of policies that he
previously opposed. Such as:
- tax cuts for taxpayers
- a drawdown in Iraq based on conditions on the ground
- rendition of terrorists
- torture is out...."for now"
- GW Bush era SecDef retained
- GW Bush era under secretary that developed the program that has largely
cut Iran off from the global banking system retained
- unquestioning support for the porkulus bill
There really aren't all that many areas left for them to criticize.
--
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Freezer
> Let's see....thus far he has retained all sorts of policies that
> he previously opposed. Such as:
>
> - tax cuts for taxpayers
> - a drawdown in Iraq based on conditions on the ground
> - rendition of terrorists
> - torture is out...."for now"
> - GW Bush era SecDef retained
> - GW Bush era under secretary that developed the program that has
> largely cut Iran off from the global banking system retained
> - unquestioning support for the porkulus bill
>
> There really aren't all that many areas left for them to
> criticize.
And if The Duck and his ilk were to take shots at those subject
(dubious though I find a few of them), that'd be different. They
don't: It's *all* "LOL LIBRUL MEDIA WORSHIP THAT SOCIALIST, OBAMA!" +
the usual talk radio bitching points.
Invid Fan
<37a3062b-0956-411f...@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
It's also a case of looking at what a strip evolved to, and trying to
jump to that point at the start.
--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'
Mike Beede
<37a3062b-0956-411f...@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
"Pat O'Neill" <patdo...@verizon.net> wrote:
I read a bunch of them. They're funnier than MF, but stubbing your toe
is funnier than MF. I can't really decide if they're funnier than stubbing
your toe.
...
Okay, I think I've got it. They're not as funny as YOU stubbing your
toe, but they're funnier than me stubbing my toe.
Mostly, they seemed like Publican Party talking points set to cartoons.
And not only that, but *stupid* talking points that are trivially seen
to be wrong. For instance, the January 14 one has some reference that's
apparently supposed to be to the Democrats "sending the Constitution
up in smoke." Was this guy asleep the last eight years?
I think to be the "conservatives' answer to Doonesbury," it would have to
be a lot more subtle and a lot funnier. The only cute point was the Don
Martin reference, and I'm not sure what it was supposed to be about
except for that. Oh -- I guess it was supposed to be "them intellectuals
is sure bad" -- another Publican talking point. Yeah, that was
a real butt-buster.
Mike Beede
Jym Dyer
> is that Trudeau's work does not harp on Washington all the
> time. And it does not use actual political figures to make
> its point all the time either.
=v= Also, Trudeau has intelligence and a whole lot of heart.
It's an insult to compare "The Gentleman from Lickskillet"
to _Doonesbury_, except of course unfavorably. Seriously,
those comic strips were downright craptastic.
<_Jym_>
Jym Dyer
> + the usual talk radio bitching points.
=v= To give credit where it's due, _Prickly_City_ actually had
something critical of Rush Limbaugh today and yesterday. It
was, however, after four days of the most asinine projection
of babble onto the straw dog character:
http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComic.mpl?date=2009/2/1&name=Prickly_City&week=1
(Note that this strip was also very inaccurately billed as a
"Conservatives' Answer to Doonesbury" at one point.)
<_Jym_>
Jym Dyer
>> Thudpucker it will have begun to approach the level of
>> humor that Doonesbury has for nearly four decades now.
> It's also a case of looking at what a strip evolved to,
> and trying to jump to that point at the start.
=v= Well, recall that a *lot* of college strips imitated
the early years of _Doonesbury_ (and its Yale predecessor,
_Bull_Tales_). _Academia_Waltz_ was the most successful
imitator, and there was one called _Thatch_ for a while.
=v= The key is to have brains and heart, though, which few
of the present crop of Trudeau-wannabes can even comprehend.
<_Jym_>
Joseph Nebus
>What all these "conservative alternatives to Doonesbury" miss is that
>Trudeau's work does not harp on Washington all the time. And it does
>not use actual political figures to make its point all the time
>either.
Another important point is that it's rarely successful, except
as a short-term venture, to create something that's just to be the
'answer' to something else. Good art tends to be something which has
its own identity, and while it can be identified in terms of the things
that influence or inspire it, it tends to have its own unique identity.
It's obvious that Bloom County was inspired by Doonesbury, and by Jules
Feiffer, but it became successful when it become Bloom County.
--
Joseph Nebus
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Eric S. Harris
> If I don't respond to this D. D. Degg post, the terrorists win.
>
>
>>ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>>
>>"The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin
>>Tuma.
>>
>>The news/pr article
>>http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
>>Y=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE= contains a link to the
>>webcomic http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
>
>
> Do all conservative strips share some sort of community bank of
> punchlines, or it truly the best they can do to harp on Obama's media
> darling status?
>
Dunno. Some jokes are funny once, some funny when heard the second
time, some funny forever.
Media fawning of OHB doesn't bother me much, so mocking it is not that
funny to me, either. -Eric
P.S. Sometimes I remember that scene from "Taxi" where Reverend Jim is
trying to cheat on his CDL test, and he keeps whispering the question
slower and slower every time his friends give him the answer. It always
makes me smile.
It also violates the comedy Rule of Three. Maybe there's a Question
Exception -- the same applies to Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First"
routine. -ESH
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Mike B
> Sometimes I remember that scene from "Taxi" where Reverend Jim is
> trying to cheat on his CDL test, and he keeps whispering the
> question slower and slower every time his friends give him the
> answer. It always makes me smile.
"What does a yellow light mean?"
Yeah, a classic. I've been telling that story for years.
--Mike Blake
axlq
Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> wrote:
>http://www.chron.com/apps/comics/showComic.mpl?date=2009/2/1&name=Prickly_City&week=1
>
>(Note that this strip was also very inaccurately billed as a
>"Conservatives' Answer to Doonesbury" at one point.)
Not so inaccurate. Both strips are witty in their own way, both
exhibit wisdom at times, and both manage to poke fun at their own
side of the aisle, occasionally.
The art in Prickly City is quite rough, though. I never figured
out why, because the author had demonstrated he can draw in other
styles.
-A
Blinky the Wonder Wombat
Absolutely, hands-down, the funniest thing I ever saw on TV.
Jim Ellwanger
wrote:
That scene makes me laugh and cringe at the same time, because "slow
down" is NOT the correct answer to the question "what does a yellow
light mean?".
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Sherwood Harrington
> On Feb 8, 1:44?pm, Mike B <M1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Eric S. Harris wrote:
>> > Sometimes I remember that scene from "Taxi" where Reverend Jim is
>> > trying to cheat on his CDL test, and he keeps whispering the
>> > question slower and slower every time his friends give him the
>>
>> "What does a yellow light mean?"
>>
>> Yeah, a classic. I've been telling that story for years.
>>
> Absolutely, hands-down, the funniest thing I ever saw on TV.
As God is your witness?
--
Sherwood Harrington
Boulder Creek, California
Beefies
>
> Absolutely, hands-down, the funniest thing I ever saw on TV.
Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk
They're all so . . . young.
Brian F.
brianfies.blogspot.com
Mike B
> Mike B <M1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Eric S. Harris wrote:
>>> Sometimes I remember that scene from "Taxi" where Reverend Jim
>>> is trying to cheat on his CDL test, and he keeps whispering the
>>> question slower and slower every time his friends give him the
>>> answer. It always makes me smile.
>> "What does a yellow light mean?"
>>
>> Yeah, a classic. I've been telling that story for years.
>
> That scene makes me laugh and cringe at the same time, because
> "slow down" is NOT the correct answer to the question "what does a
> yellow light mean?".
Of course not. In New York (where TAXI was set) it means "drive
like hell before the light turns red!"
Pat O'Neill
Or there's the exchange between Jeff Bridges (as the alien) and Karen
Allen in "Starman":
"I understand...red means stop, green means go, yellow means go very
fast...."
Joseph Nebus
That was Jeff Bridges? Huh. I thought that was a Robin Williams
bit. (Granting that it is not quite a unique observation of human
behavior.)
--
Joseph Nebus
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Evan Kirshenbaum
> In article <AGFjl.3645$rt3....@newsfe15.iad>, Mike B <M1...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Eric S. Harris wrote:
>> > Sometimes I remember that scene from "Taxi" where Reverend Jim is
>> > trying to cheat on his CDL test, and he keeps whispering the
>> > question slower and slower every time his friends give him the
>> > answer. It always makes me smile.
>>
>> "What does a yellow light mean?"
>>
>> Yeah, a classic. I've been telling that story for years.
>
> That scene makes me laugh and cringe at the same time, because "slow
> down" is NOT the correct answer to the question "what does a yellow
> light mean?".
No, but I suspect that enough people think that that's the official
meaning that it's a plausible response.
In California, at least, the only thing that the Vehicle Code says
about (solid) yellow lights is
21452. (a) A driver facing a steady circular yellow or yellow
arrow signal is, by that signal, warned that the related green
movement is ending or that a red indication will be shown
immediately thereafter.
(b) A pedestrian facing a steady circular yellow or a yellow
arrow signal, unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control
signal as provided in Section 21456, is, by that signal, warned
that there is insufficient time to cross the roadway and shall not
enter the roadway.
There's no special behavior required of a driver. You can slow down,
speed up (so long as you don't speed), or even stop. A green light,
on the other hand, requires you to proceed straight through the
intersection (if there is no traffic to yield to and unless you have
reason to believe you won't be able to exit before blocking cross
traffic) or turn, in the same langauge as a red light requires you to
stop.
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Beefies
>
All right, here's one for the Canadians. I was driving in Vancouver once and
came upon flashing green traffic lights. Flummoxed me completely. In my
universe, you treat a flashing red light like a stop sign, but what's
flashing green mean: proceed warily? Slow to half speed? Stand and deliver?
Or maybe it's not a "Canadian thing" at all, but a "Vancouver traffic lights
were broken the day Brian visited" thing? Unfortunately, there wasn't anyone
ahead of me whose behavio(u)r I could model. Don't remember what I did, but
I survived. Loved Vancouver, too.
Brian F.
brianfies.blogspot.com
Dave Armour
Ha! Vancouver: drug gang-hit capital of Canuckistan! We're going head to
head with Chicago in the what? Twenties? Glad you survived. With the
pace of the hits lately, civilian survival may just qualify as an
Olympic event!
The light thingie merely indicates a pedestrian-controlled crosswalk.
Pedestrians can push a button at the side of the road and after a short
pause, the light will then change to red, allowing the pedestrian to
cross the road.
Or words to that effect. I seem to recall that before the light changes
to red, it may also switch to solid green briefly as a means of allowing
vehicle traffic even more time to pause and reflect, and maybe, if it's
not too much trouble, to stop. It's a sweet-natured take on human
nature, really. In practice, many cars just speed up to get through the
crosswalk.
Here on the other side of Georgia Strait, in sunny Langwoozle, the
sleepy bedroom community just west (and a few decades back?) of our
province's capitol, (yawn) we also increasingly have crosswalks with
vigourously flashing yellow lights, powered by solar-panels on the tops
of the posts. Because the lights continue flashing for some time after
an average pedestrian makes it across, many motorists will drive through
after checking no one else plans to cross. I've seen no word on whether
that's legal or not; the technology's just too new! Because most of on
the roads here are Canajun by birth or naturalization, we normally feel
guilty doing it. :c)
I have to admit I kinda like the idea of the lights being broken on the
day you visited (the light of brian?) It seems a bit like the experience
of having a street light go out just as you approach; it always seems a
bit eerie, like someone's watching you.
These days, of course, what with all the spy/sky/traffic/security cams
out there, somebody probably *is* watching you. Put that cigarette OUT,
and stand up STRAIGHT! Get your finger out of your nose! Eat your peas!
Bringing you more information than you probably need, so others won't, I
realize, sir...
Heather Kendrick
nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
> "Pat O'Neill" <patdo...@verizon.net> writes:
> >"I understand...red means stop, green means go, yellow means go very
> >fast...."
>
> That was Jeff Bridges? Huh. I thought that was a Robin Williams
> bit. (Granting that it is not quite a unique observation of human
> behavior.)
That is certainly a line from Starman, whether it was original to the
film or not. I remember the film mostly for spawning one of the movie
quote in-jokes that are so prevalent in my immediate family. It
involves someone, usually my father, saying "Dutch apple pie with ice
cream" in a particular sort of way. The quote was still in use as
recently as Christmas.
I admit this contribution takes the thread even further from the subject
of comic strips, but at least I did restrain myself from joining the
discussion about whether it's endearing to call someone a bunny.
Heather
Eric S. Harris
Well, I was pretty sure, then I remembered the sound of wet sacks of
cement hitting the pavement.
Now I have to go looking for that one. -Eric
Jim Ellwanger
Dave Armour <d.f.a...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Beefies wrote:
> > All right, here's one for the Canadians. I was driving in Vancouver once
> > and came upon flashing green traffic lights.
>
> The light thingie merely indicates a pedestrian-controlled crosswalk.
> Pedestrians can push a button at the side of the road and after a short
> pause, the light will then change to red, allowing the pedestrian to
> cross the road.
Now that's interesting, because in Ontario, flashing green seems to mean
"protected left turn," i.e., the same thing that a solid green light
plus a green left-turn arrow would mean south of the border.
At least that's what I hope it meant! Every time I saw this in the
Toronto area, I did have cars with Ontario license plates to model
myself after, so I just followed them through the intersections in
question.
axlq
Beefies <brianfie...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Yeah, a classic. I've been telling that story for years.
>>
>> Absolutely, hands-down, the funniest thing I ever saw on TV.
>
>Here you go:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk
Oh, my. That *was* funny. I hadn't ever seen it before.
-A
Eric S. Harris
That was the very last line in the episode.
<http://www.hulu.com/watch/322/wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkeys-away> -Eric
Sherwood Harrington
> Sherwood Harrington wrote:
>> Blinky the Wonder Wombat <wkharri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 8, 1:44?pm, Mike B <M1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Eric S. Harris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Sometimes I remember that scene from "Taxi" where Reverend Jim is
>>>>>trying to cheat on his CDL test, and he keeps whispering the
>>>>>question slower and slower every time his friends give him the
>>>>>answer. ?It always makes me smile.
>>>>
>>>>"What does a yellow light mean?"
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, a classic. I've been telling that story for years.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>Absolutely, hands-down, the funniest thing I ever saw on TV.
>>
>>
>> As God is your witness?
> That was the very last line in the episode.
> <http://www.hulu.com/watch/322/wkrp-in-cincinnati-turkeys-away> -Eric
Only the first half of the last line, actually.
I wouldn't have remembered this episode right away in this context had
Brian Fies not reminded me recently in his blog:
http://brianfies.blogspot.com/2008/11/this-thanksgiving-avoid-pinedale-mall.html
Joseph Nebus
>In article <nebusj.1...@vcmr-86.server.rpi.edu>,
> nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
>> "Pat O'Neill" <patdo...@verizon.net> writes:
>> >"I understand...red means stop, green means go, yellow means go very
>> >fast...."
>>
>> That was Jeff Bridges? Huh. I thought that was a Robin Williams
>> bit. (Granting that it is not quite a unique observation of human
>> behavior.)
>That is certainly a line from Starman, whether it was original to the
>film or not. I remember the film mostly for spawning one of the movie
>quote in-jokes that are so prevalent in my immediate family. It
>involves someone, usually my father, saying "Dutch apple pie with ice
>cream" in a particular sort of way. The quote was still in use as
>recently as Christmas.
Huh. Well, if it's in Starman then it's in Starman. I can't
always get my brain to correctly assign things anyway. I've been in a
bit of a fight with it the past few weeks over the part Jonathan Winters
played in the 1959 comedy The Gazebo, the problem being that Winters was
not in the movie, and I should be thinking of Carl Reiner instead. No
progress on that so far.
>I admit this contribution takes the thread even further from the subject
>of comic strips, but at least I did restrain myself from joining the
>discussion about whether it's endearing to call someone a bunny.
Aw, well ... perhaps two people can make anything endearing if
the context for it is correct. But I do think a bunny can be a most
wonderful thing to call the right person.
--
Joseph Nebus
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Jym Dyer
>> a "Conservatives' Answer to Doonesbury" at one point.)
> Not so inaccurate. Both strips are witty in their own way,
> both exhibit wisdom at times, and both manage to poke fun at
> their own side of the aisle, occasionally.
=v= Both are vaguely rectangular and can frequently be found
printed on pulped trees, as well.
<_Jym_>
Jym Dyer
=v= Wot, been hanging out in ca.driving? (Newsgroup motto:
Here's yet another way our gaggle of non-lawyers think it's
okay to break the law.) You cite CVC 21452 but forget that
CVC 22526 mandates not entering any intersection until you
can clear it without obstructing cross traffic.
<_Jym_>
Evan Kirshenbaum
Actually, I did mention it ("unless you have reason to believe you
won't be able to exit before blocking cross traffic"), but that holds
for any intersection, regardless of whether there is a light or not.
It's only an exception to the directive for green lights. But I had
forgotten that there is mention of yellow lights there for drivers who
are turning:
22526. (a) Notwithstanding any official traffic control signal
indication to proceed, a driver of a vehicle shall not enter an
intersection or marked crosswalk unless there is sufficient space
on the other side of the intersection or marked crosswalk to
accommodate the vehicle driven without obstructing the through
passage of vehicles from either side.
(b) A driver of a vehicle which is making a turn at an
intersection who is facing a steady circular yellow or yellow
arrow signal shall not enter the intersection or marked crosswalk
unless there is sufficient space on the other side of the
intersection or marked crosswalk to accommodate the vehicle driven
without obstructing the through passage of vehicles from either
side.
So part (a) says "never cause gridlock", and (b) says "don't cause
gridlock by entering the intersection on a yellow light to turn". I'm
not sure why it was seen as being needed.
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Antonio E. Gonzalez
>On 06 Feb 2009, Freezer said the following in
>news:Xns9BAAD990BE00Bf...@69.16.185.247.
>
>> If I don't respond to this D. D. Degg post, the terrorists win.
>>
>>> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>>>
>>> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin
>>> Tuma.
>>>
>>> The news/pr article
>>> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
>>> Y=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE= contains a link to the
>>> webcomic http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
>>
>> Do all conservative strips share some sort of community bank of
>> punchlines, or it truly the best they can do to harp on Obama's media
>> darling status?
>>
>
>Let's see....thus far he has retained all sorts of policies that he
>previously opposed. Such as:
>
>- tax cuts for taxpayers
Targetted to the middle class; we may soon not only see a repeal of
the Bush tax cuts for the rich, but the Reagan tax cuts . . .
>- a drawdown in Iraq based on conditions on the ground
Not drawdown, pull-out; we now have someone who won't use a "surge"
gimmick to try to lengthen things. Iraq may have its
Saigon-embassy-helicopter moment yet, and that's a good thing . . .
>- rendition of terrorists
Gitmo's getting shut down, this one's only a matter of time . . .
>- torture is out...."for now"
We're the good guys again; it's out, and no bullshit renaming to
cover it up . . .
>- GW Bush era SecDef retained
The latest one, one quite open to change . . .
>- GW Bush era under secretary that developed the program that has largely
>cut Iran off from the global banking system retained
Iran finally open to talk, and a President willing to talk . . .
>- unquestioning support for the porkulus bill
>
Jobs, plain and simple; this may be begining of a process that
finally drives stake through the heart of Reaganomics . . .
>There really aren't all that many areas left for them to criticize.
Hate Radio and Fox News will always have something or other to
scream about . . .
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- ReFlex76
Eric S. Harris
> D. D. Degg wrote:
>
>> ConservativeHQ.com has launched a new webcomic.
>>
>> "The Gentleman from Lickskillet" by Steven J. Allen and Kevin Tuma.
>>
>> The news/pr article
>> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-06-2009/0004968005&EDATE=
>>
>> contains a link to the webcomic
>> http://conservativehq.com/lickskillet/home/
>
>
> of the Jack Acid Society?
It makes more sense if you view McCarthyism as a tactic, not an
ideological point of view. Transpose it into the key of liberal and the
song remains the same but it goes by another name. Or names.
Demonizing in general. "Playing the race card". Any accusation or
characterization that evokes strong negative emotions (fear, envy,
hatred, xenophobia, greed, revulsion, etc.) tends to stop thought -- or
preclude it starting -- on the matter at hand.
It's sort of ironic that "McCarthyism" can be used that way, though it
lacks the punch of stronger "bloody shirt" words and phrases, for most
folks.
Some do it deliberately, and some of them even make a living at it.
Some are just endocrine-driven thinkers as a hobby or habit, whose
primary differences from dogs and cats and wolverines and bulls is a
better vocabulary, and more complex sentences. Others aren't con
artists or especially endocrine-driven, but they get sucked into the
wake of those who are.
Today's "Lickskillet" strip (04/04/2009)
<http://www.conservativehq.com/lickskillet/> in its final sentence
quotes or paraphrases something we've probably all seen before, as a
bumper sticker or tag line or button from Nancy Lebowitz ("Little
Calligraphic Button Catalog on the Prairie" [1]).
How in the world did they pick the name "Lickskillet", anyway? It could
just be a colorful name from the rural past, like Hog Hollow Road, if it
didn't remind me of another, unpleasant word. Did they not know of
"lickspittle"? -Eric
[1] A recent addition: "First they came for the verbs, and I said
nothing because verbing weirds language. Then they arrival for the
nouns, and I speech nothing because I no verbs."
Eric S. Harris
Lately I've successfully avoided all punditry and most news -- the
Hoover-FDR response to our unfortunate situation and the absence of
terms like "Phillips Curve" and "stagflation" depresses me -- means that
I don't know if this cartoon is mocking a real activity already
occurring or is a pre-emptive strike against it, or what.
<http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_82jYjcjk6wM/Scl5KVuhX_I/AAAAAAAAAqE/kKWFHAlQFP8/s1600-h/1_racist_china_obama_416395.jpg>
I rather doubt BHO would be fool enough to make any such statement, even
subtly, but it would be safe for his supporters to do so, subtly or bluntly.
OOTC: Anyone seen examples in the form of comics? -Eric
Mike Peterson
> Lately I've successfully avoided all punditry and most news -- the
> Hoover-FDR response to our unfortunate situation and the absence of
> terms like "Phillips Curve" and "stagflation" depresses me -- means that
> I don't know if this cartoon is mocking a real activity already
> occurring or is a pre-emptive strike against it, or what.
> <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_82jYjcjk6wM/Scl5KVuhX_I/AAAAAAAAAqE/kKWFHAl...>
>
> I rather doubt BHO would be fool enough to make any such statement, even
> subtly, but it would be safe for his supporters to do so, subtly or bluntly.
Naw, that's Rex, an occasional commentator here and a nice enough
fellow but one who has a highly personalized view of reality. I know
of absolutely nothing that has happened which in anyway approximates
what he depicts in his cartoon. In fact, my recollection is that, when
Anne Compton asked Obama about the impact of race thus far in his
presidency, he seemed disappointed she had wasted the question on
something so stupid. He basically said the hoopla over his race lasted
for one day and then he got to concentrate on things that mattered. I
believe it was the shortest exchange of the evening.
And remember that he criticized Holden for his discussion of race, in
which Holden said things that several African-Americans have found
interesting and valuable. I think if you want to stay within the inner
circle of his supporters, you don't make race an issue.
Rex, of course, is not attempting to stay within the White House inner
circle. He's trying to make his like-minded fans laff.
Mike Peterson
http://nellieblogs.blogspot.com
Antonio E. Gonzalez
Still not as bad as thinking Hoover (sit and wait it out) and FDR
(do just about everything possible, have it fixed in about 8 years)
had similar policies, or thinking unemployment is better than
inflation, or thinking a boom-bust economic cycle is preferable to
very rare bouts of "stagflation" . . .
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- ReFlex76
Eric S. Harris
I'm given to understand that the convention view of those two
politicians isn't terribly consistent with the facts. Hoover was rather
more active in his response than he is portrayed as being, and Roosevelt
campaigned as rather like the conventional view of his predecessor, and
in the early part of his first term) acted that way, too.
I'm no economist, but I know enough about economics to be convinced that
FDR was rather like an 18th century physician: he kept busy with
treatments, and eventually the patient got better, but whether it was
because of any particular treatment or despite it, it could go either
way. And did -- the bed rest helped, but the bleeding was
counterproductive.
I'm not sure that ending a depression in 8 years is much to brag about
-- previous banking panics and economic downturns were typically much
shorter -- but under the circumstances, it might have been about the
best that could be expected, given the newness of the monetary situation
at the time. -Eric
Jym Dyer
=v= In my experience, preemptory accusations of playing some
sort of "race card" are far more frequent than the spurious
use of race as an issue. The latter does happen, but not as
often as some would over emphasize.
=v= Race problems are not a card game and should not be so
frequently summarily dismissed as if they are.
<_Jym_>
Eric S. Harris
Of course "race problems" (interesting phrase, that) are not a card
game. "Playing the race card" is a metaphor that's been around quite a
while, long enough to become pretty well-known, perhaps even a cliché.
As I expect you know, it has nothing to do with playing cards.
I'm not sure, but I think you just kinda illustrated my point. -Eric
Jym Dyer
=v= I am sure, and you've got it backwards.
<_Jym_>
Eric S. Harris
Janeane Garafalo deals one, apparently:
<http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1661145/janeane_garofalo_tea_partiers_are_racist.html?cat=9>.
Or was she misquoted? -Eric
LNER...@juno.com
>
> Janeane Garafalo deals one, apparently:
> Or was she misquoted? -Eric
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6rv09Zqm6M
In order for racism to really end, the "left" has to stop insisting
on looking at everything possible through that prism.