Results of Spidey vs. X-Men (one at a time)
The Maritimer
members of the X-Men:
Spidey vs. Archangel:
You gotta be kidding me. Other than those blade thingies coming
from his wings, he was no offense. The only way he could win is if he
fired about 50 of these at once. (Spidey was been able to dodge as many
as 2 or 3 dozen projectiles at once.)
Spidey vs. Beast:
This would be cool. This would be an incredibly fast-paced
match. The two things that would put Spidey on top is his Spider-sense
and maybe his webbing.
Spidey vs. Bishop:
Bishop won't be able to shoot him, but if he charged up with
enough juice, he could take him in hand-to-hand.
Spidey vs. Cyclops:
The only way Cyke could hit him is if he shot at a wide angle.
Other than that, he has no chance.
Spidey vs. Gambit:
LeBeau won't be able to hit him with anything, although he might
be able to create a large enough explosion to rock Spider-Man, but it
might take himself out as well.
Spidey vs. Iceman:
Enveloping Spidey in ice may be Bobby's only chance to win. (and
even that only hold him for a minute or two)
Spidey vs. Rogue:
Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
Spidey vs. Storm:
Don't get me started. :)
Spidey vs. Wolverine:
As long as Peter takes his rabies shots, he might be okay. :)
Up until now, Spidey could sneak up on all of the previous X-Men and take
them out from behind. (with the exception of Wolvie) The next two are
who I think would give Spidey the toughest time.
Spidey vs. Psylocke:
Can't sneak up on a telepath. Hand-to-hand combat is definitely
not an option for Spidey. He would have to keep his distance and use his
webbing. If he manages to tie her up for a couple of seconds, he can
spring over to her and knock her out with one punch.
Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
Definitely, without a doubt in my mind, this would be the
toughest fight for Spidey. Can't sneak up on her, can't use webbing on a
telekinetic. The only hope he has is to create enough of a disruption
around her to keep her busy long enough to take her out, but I wouldn't
bet any money on him.
So what do you think?
The Maritimer
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>So what do you think?
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Sean
>
> Okay people, how's this for results of Spider-Man fighting separate
> members of the X-Men:
> Spidey vs. Rogue:
> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
True, the spandex would help, until it ripped. No sneaking up on
her either, though, 'cause when she's not calling out "Remy, help me",
She tends to suffer from a sixth sense which warns her of impending
danger (Much like the ol' spidey sense)
>
> Spidey vs. Storm:
> Don't get me started. :)
True - one gale force wind and he's out of there.
>
> Spidey vs. Wolverine:
> As long as Peter takes his rabies shots, he might be okay. :)
He wasn't in 'what if the X-Men lost Inferno' from memory Wolvy
tore him a new orifice.
>
> Up until now, Spidey could sneak up on all of the previous X-Men and take
> them out from behind. (with the exception of Wolvie) The next two are
> who I think would give Spidey the toughest time.
>
> Spidey vs. Psylocke:
> Can't sneak up on a telepath. Hand-to-hand combat is definitely
> not an option for Spidey. He would have to keep his distance and use his
> webbing. If he manages to tie her up for a couple of seconds, he can
> spring over to her and knock her out with one punch.
Ah. Check out Uncanny 217, when Dazzler thought that would work, too.
>
> Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
> Definitely, without a doubt in my mind, this would be the
> toughest fight for Spidey. Can't sneak up on her, can't use webbing on a
> telekinetic. The only hope he has is to create enough of a disruption
> around her to keep her busy long enough to take her out, but I wouldn't
> bet any money on him.
What about his broken limbs? cf. the recent Sabretooth oneshot.
> So what do you think?
I've just shown you. Besides, I thought they were all 'good' guys &
goils....
Sean - struggling to keep a presence here.
Michael Patrick Lynch
The Maritimer (f6...@unb.ca) wrote:
: Okay people, how's this for results of Spider-Man fighting separate
: members of the X-Men:
: Spidey vs. Archangel:
: Spidey vs. Beast:
I agree with this Spidey should win.
: Spidey vs. Bishop:
Another I agree, If bishop has an energy source, he just has too much
physical power for spidey.
: Spidey vs. Cyclops:
: The only way Cyke could hit him is if he shot at a wide angle.
: Other than that, he has no chance.
I dunno about this. There is another chance.....
Spidey doesn't actually dodge lasers, lightning, other light speed stuff
what he does is dodge the split second before the trigger is pulled and
the shooter doesn't readjust in time.
Therefor, If Cyke simple left his power on (removed glasses) and started
looking around the beam would sweep over and pulverize spidey.
Though again like the storm thread, this is only applicable if Cyke
doesn't care about collateral damage and/or hurting spidey.
: Spidey vs. Gambit:
: LeBeau won't be able to hit him with anything, although he might
: be able to create a large enough explosion to rock Spider-Man, but it
: might take himself out as well.
Does Gambit have mutant agility?
Regardless, Lots of little explosions could rock Spidey. A handful of
pebbles all charged and throuwn with a wide dispersal to prevent dodging.
Still I would bet 90% on spidey but the cajun is sneaky enough that I
could see it maybe.
: Spidey vs. Iceman:
: Enveloping Spidey in ice may be Bobby's only chance to win. (and
: even that only hold him for a minute or two)
Gee wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Iceman vs Spidey.... Iceman freeze his BLOOD. .... no more spidey.
(see the white queen vs iceman encounter???
things done to the queen would take out spidey.
: Spidey vs. Rogue:
Okay Spidey win's if spandex stays in one piece :)
: Spidey vs. Storm:
: Don't get me started. :)
: Spidey vs. Wolverine:
This fight has been done.... If spidey has room to maneuver he wins...
If not, wolvie wins. Though the two are so evenly matched that
the only wins would be the final sort.
: Spidey vs. Psylocke:
Yeah I think Spidey here. He'd even dodge the psychic blade.
Human Ninja skills vs spider sense,reflexes, agility = no hit with blade
: Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
Jean all the way. TK picks spidey up, breaks him apart or does whatever
she wants. (not even talking telepath brain freeze)
: So what do you think?
that I shouldn't be responding to this ?!?!?!?!? :>
: The Maritimer
Michael
Phoenix
(Big snip)
> Spidey vs. Rogue:
> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
I'm not sure I agree, after all, Rogue only has to connect once to
pulverise him, whereas Spidey's attacks are likely to have little effect
on someone who is "nigh on invulnerable". And,as mentioned by others,
her 7th sense would help to counteract his spidey sense advantage.
(another snip)
> Spidey vs. Wolverine:
> As long as Peter takes his rabies shots, he might be okay. :)
If I recall, they've had this fight, when Spidey tried to stop Wolverine
killing Charlemagne (Spiderman vs Wolverine). Spidey realised that his
only chance was if he hit Wolverine with his whole strength and kept
hitting him until he gave up. Now admittedly, this was when Wolvie
still had his adamantium and his nose. I don't know how his current
change would affect him. It would also be difficult for him to sneak up
on Wolvie as he'd smell him coming.
> Spidey vs. Psylocke:
> Can't sneak up on a telepath. Hand-to-hand combat is definitely
> not an option for Spidey. He would have to keep his distance and use his
> webbing. If he manages to tie her up for a couple of seconds, he can
> spring over to her and knock her out with one punch.
>
> Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
> Definitely, without a doubt in my mind, this would be the
> toughest fight for Spidey. Can't sneak up on her, can't use webbing on a
> telekinetic. The only hope he has is to create enough of a disruption
> around her to keep her busy long enough to take her out, but I wouldn't
> bet any money on him.
Don't forget as mentioned by someone else Jean's ability to break his
limbs. There is also the fact that it doesn't matter how much he
dodges, they don't have to get close to take him out. All they have to
do is grab hold of his mind telepathically, and they could do this from
another building. Then there is the fact that Betsy is a pscho-blaster
and they could both just switch off his mind, like Jean did to MeMe
during the Morlock madness thingumygig.
Apart from that I more or less agree with you, but you do have to bear
in mind that you very rarely run into one of the more vulnerable members
of the team on their own. For instance, you normally find Cyke with
Jean (Armour type Phoenix) or Warren with Betsy.
However, I must say the probability of most of these face offs is VERY
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Sean <ch...@pippin.cc.flinders.edu.au> wrote:
[snip]
Now, through the miracle of dejanews, you can see that your arguments...
HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE! Wow! Really? Just use the search engine and
look for my name, or JRjr's, or Marlon D. Shows, or Paul O'Brien, or
DRH... heck, most any name will do, check the authorship, and look up
what was posted to rac.arts.comics.xbooks and there it is! Storm vs.
Spider-Man! X-Men vs. Spider-Man! X-Men vs. Justice League! Storm vs.
You! It's all there! Dejanews was birthed just in time to catch
most of this monster thread. I don't mean to be sarcastic, but people
don't want this thread any more than they do an X-Movie one. So please
read up before you try it.
Vic Reyes
On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, The Maritimer wrote:
> Spidey vs. Psylocke:
> Can't sneak up on a telepath. Hand-to-hand combat is definitely
> not an option for Spidey. He would have to keep his distance and use his
> webbing. If he manages to tie her up for a couple of seconds, he can
> spring over to her and knock her out with one punch.
>
Funny you should mention this one, I visited an arcade center in the nearby
shopping mall during lunch today and there was this kid who was doing
pretty well as Spidey just before he went up against Psylocke and got
blown out of the water <g>
Jenna Little
pho...@finesse.demon.co.uk (Phoenix) writes:
> If I recall, they've had this fight, when Spidey tried to stop Wolverine
> killing Charlemagne (Spiderman vs Wolverine). Spidey realised that his
> only chance was if he hit Wolverine with his whole strength and kept
> hitting him until he gave up. Now admittedly, this was when Wolvie
> still had his adamantium and his nose. I don't know how his current
> change would affect him. It would also be difficult for him to sneak up
> on Wolvie as he'd smell him coming.
Was that in a graphic novel??? I remember one when wolverine was
trying to kill a friend that had a terminal disease, and spidey was
trying to stop him, wolverine won in the end.
Skipper
As long as Peter takes his
rabies shots, he might be okay. :)
Up until now, Spidey could sneak up on
all of the previous X-Men and take
them out from behind. (with the
exception of Wolvie) The next two are
who I think would give Spidey the
toughest time.>>
For the best Spidey/Wolverine fight
check out Spider-Man vs Wolverine one
shot. In it the fight ends in a draw,
Wolvie has Spidey pinned and can pop
his claws into Pete's neck, but Pete
has a hold of Wolvie's throat and
could snap his neck quicker than Logan
could heal...Pete lets go knowing he
couldn't kill anyone, but both guys
had the oppurtunity to do in the other
The Maritimer
>
> In message <316C25...@unb.ca> The Maritimer wrote:
>
> (Big snip)
> > Spidey vs. Rogue:
> > Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> > with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> > against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
>
> I'm not sure I agree, after all, Rogue only has to connect once to
> pulverise him, whereas Spidey's attacks are likely to have little effect
> on someone who is "nigh on invulnerable". And,as mentioned by others,
> her 7th sense would help to counteract his spidey sense advantage.
I completely forgot about that! (Her 7th, or 6th, or 23rd sense whatever)
I've been reading X-Men for 2-3 years now, but I don't remember at any time the
writers making a point of Rogue's sixth sense. Does anyone remember an issue
when they made an actual point of it?
The Maritimer
Ivan Jose Wagner
: > I'm not sure I agree, after all, Rogue only has to connect once to
: > pulverise him, whereas Spidey's attacks are likely to have little effect
: > on someone who is "nigh on invulnerable". And,as mentioned by others,
: > her 7th sense would help to counteract his spidey sense advantage.
: I completely forgot about that! (Her 7th, or 6th, or 23rd sense whatever)
: I've been reading X-Men for 2-3 years now, but I don't remember at any time the
: writers making a point of Rogue's sixth sense. Does anyone remember an issue
: when they made an actual point of it?
: The Maritimer
I believe UX #192 is an example.
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I don't call that a "draw" because of the sole fact that Wolverine's
bones were unbreakable at that time (laced with adamantium). If the
Hulk couldn't break Wolvy's adamantium I seriously doubt that Spidey
could. That's a Logan win anyway you slice it
Eric Richard Keiter
In response to "the Maritimer's" assesment, I'm in agreement on most
of these, but I've added a couple of comments for some of them:
In article <316C25...@unb.ca>, The Maritimer <f6...@unb.ca> writes:
> Okay people, how's this for results of Spider-Man fighting separate
> members of the X-Men:
>
> Spidey vs. Archangel:
> You gotta be kidding me. Other than those blade thingies coming
> from his wings, he was no offense. The only way he could win is if he
> fired about 50 of these at once. (Spidey was been able to dodge as many
> as 2 or 3 dozen projectiles at once.)
I had thought the Archangel was a little tougher than this (had
some extra strength, maybe) but now that I think about it, I think you're
right about this one.
> Spidey vs. Beast:
> This would be cool. This would be an incredibly fast-paced
> match. The two things that would put Spidey on top is his Spider-sense
> and maybe his webbing.
I agree this would be cool, although I think Spidey has a little
more advantage than just the spider sense and webbing. I think he's
generally thought to be a little bit stronger (although not much). Hank
does have his brain going for him, and I could see him possibly out
strategizing spidey. (spidey is smart, but he doesn't always use it)
> Spidey vs. Bishop:
> Bishop won't be able to shoot him, but if he charged up with
> enough juice, he could take him in hand-to-hand.
How much juice can Bishop charge up? Enough to press more than
10 tons? I don't think I've seen this yet, but then I don't know that
much about Bishop, so I could be wrong. I haven't seen any evidence
of super speed from Bishop, though, and since in the Marvel U., strength
does not equal speed, I think that Bishop would have trouble in a
hand to hand with spider-man, even if he was very charged.
> Spidey vs. Cyclops:
> The only way Cyke could hit him is if he shot at a wide angle.
> Other than that, he has no chance.
agreed.
> Spidey vs. Gambit:
> LeBeau won't be able to hit him with anything, although he might
> be able to create a large enough explosion to rock Spider-Man, but it
> might take himself out as well.
agreed.
> Spidey vs. Iceman:
> Enveloping Spidey in ice may be Bobby's only chance to win. (and
> even that only hold him for a minute or two)
I think he'd have trouble doing this even -- I guess I don't know
how fast he can generate ice, but it would have to be pretty darn fast.
If he wants to hold spiderman in a block of ice, he's going have to generate
it pretty much instantaneously.
> Spidey vs. Rogue:
> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
agreed.
> Spidey vs. Storm:
> Don't get me started. :)
Storm is totally overrated, power-wise.
> Spidey vs. Wolverine:
> As long as Peter takes his rabies shots, he might be okay. :)
This could be interesting. They keep on writing Wolverine to be
more and more powerful, without giving much explanation. I think Spider-man
would have trouble taking wolverine out, because of the healing factor.
However, I also don't think that Wolverine would be able to lay a hand
on Spider-man, given his spider sense, and his advantages in both strength
and speed.
> Up until now, Spidey could sneak up on all of the previous X-Men and take
> them out from behind. (with the exception of Wolvie) The next two are
> who I think would give Spidey the toughest time.
>
> Spidey vs. Psylocke:
> Can't sneak up on a telepath. Hand-to-hand combat is definitely
> not an option for Spidey. He would have to keep his distance and use his
> webbing. If he manages to tie her up for a couple of seconds, he can
> spring over to her and knock her out with one punch.
I don't agree that hand-to-hand combat is not an option. Psylock
may be a telepath with Ninja skills, but she's not strong like spiderman
is. Also, she doesn't have superhuman speed like he does. True, she can
anticipate his every move, but he can anticipate all of hers as well. Given
his speed and strength advantage, I'd say that it would be a simple matter
for him to grab both of her arms and pin them before she has time to
move. I do think that he should have no problem with her. Heck, if
Sabertooth can take her out.....
> Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
> Definitely, without a doubt in my mind, this would be the
> toughest fight for Spidey. Can't sneak up on her, can't use webbing on a
> telekinetic. The only hope he has is to create enough of a disruption
> around her to keep her busy long enough to take her out, but I wouldn't
> bet any money on him.
This one would be tricky. I agree that it might be the most
difficult fight for him, with the exception of maybe Wolverine. The
thing is, if she lets down her telekinetic shield at any point, he is
way stronger than she is, and could knock her out very easily. Unfortunately
for him, she's only going to do this if she's being exceptionally stupid,
or if he's actually strong enough to challenge the integrity of the shield
with brute force. If she decides to take him out telepathically, he could
be toast, and would only have his willpower (which is strong) as a defense.
In general, I think he's smarter than she is, so I could imagine him finding
a way to outsmart her, but that's just a gut feeling I have.
> So what do you think?
Interesting.....
> The Maritimer
Eric
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Eric Richard Keiter
: Skipper wrote:
: >
: > <<Spidey vs. Wolverine:
: > As long as Peter takes his
: > rabies shots, he might be okay. :)
: > Up until now, Spidey could sneak up on
: > all of the previous X-Men and take
: > them out from behind. (with the
: > exception of Wolvie) The next two are
: > who I think would give Spidey the
: > toughest time.>>
: > For the best Spidey/Wolverine fight
: > check out Spider-Man vs Wolverine one
: > shot. In it the fight ends in a draw,
: > Wolvie has Spidey pinned and can pop
: > his claws into Pete's neck, but Pete
: > has a hold of Wolvie's throat and
: > could snap his neck quicker than Logan
: > could heal...Pete lets go knowing he
: > couldn't kill anyone, but both guys
: > had the oppurtunity to do in the other
:
: I don't call that a "draw" because of the sole fact that Wolverine's
: bones were unbreakable at that time (laced with adamantium). If the
: Hulk couldn't break Wolvy's adamantium I seriously doubt that Spidey
: could. That's a Logan win anyway you slice it
you may be right, but at the time wolverine said precisely what the above
poster said: that they both were in the position to kill each other.
It could be Wolverine (or the writer) was wrong....
I liked the story better thinking the fight ended in a draw. I personally
think that if Spidey fights to not lose rather than win, that Wolverine
shouldn't be able to even get a hand (claw) on spidey, but if he's fighting
to win, he's got a major problem, as Wolverine is so hard to kill.
Eric
kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
Eric Richard Keiter
:: Spidey vs. Cyclops:
:: The only way Cyke could hit him is if he shot at a wide angle.
:: Other than that, he has no chance.
:
:I dunno about this. There is another chance.....
:Spidey doesn't actually dodge lasers, lightning, other light speed stuff
:what he does is dodge the split second before the trigger is pulled and
:the shooter doesn't readjust in time.
:Therefor, If Cyke simple left his power on (removed glasses) and started
:looking around the beam would sweep over and pulverize spidey.
:Though again like the storm thread, this is only applicable if Cyke
:doesn't care about collateral damage and/or hurting spidey.
I don't see why leaving cyke's power on would make him harder to dodge. If
anything, it would make where he was currently aiming much more obvious,
giving spidey even more information as to where he might aim next.
:: Spidey vs. Gambit:
:: LeBeau won't be able to hit him with anything, although he might
:: be able to create a large enough explosion to rock Spider-Man, but it
:: might take himself out as well.
:
:Does Gambit have mutant agility?
I don't think so....
:Regardless, Lots of little explosions could rock Spidey. A handful of
:pebbles all charged and throuwn with a wide dispersal to prevent dodging.
:Still I would bet 90% on spidey but the cajun is sneaky enough that I
:could see it maybe.
I think Spidey could even handle a handful of charged pebbles. It takes the
Cajun a while to charge them up for one thing. Also, Spidey has successfully
dodged machine gun fire, as well as the hobgoblin's finger blaster, which was
designed to very rapidly fire in a semi-random fasion -- specifically to
take out spidey. It failed. Both of these things (bullets, finger blasts)
were travelling much faster than Gambit can thrown even pebbles.
David R. Henry
>> Spidey vs. Rogue:
>> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
>> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
>> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
>
> agreed.
In which case, of course, she just punches him through six buildings.
So much for that matchup.
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Marvel Universe and i think Wolvie is pathetic dog-boy.
Pros for Spidey:
His Spidy sense allows him to react to every attack of Wolverine.
He's stronger than Wolverine
He's faster than Wolverine
The Impact webbing would slow him down(for a second)
He can jump higher
He is more agile
He's smarter
Pros for Wolverine:
He's got claws
He has better martial art skills
Negs for Spidey:
He has a great respect for life
Negs for Wolverine:
Spidey's spider sense negates his enhanced senses
He's weaker than Spider-man
There you go. Though you must remember it's not who's stronger
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Eric Richard Keiter <kei...@hp-172.cae.wisc.edu> wrote:
>In article <316C25...@unb.ca>, The Maritimer <f6...@unb.ca> writes:
>> Spidey vs. Storm:
>> Don't get me started. :)
> Storm is totally overrated, power-wise.
When you can make hurricanes on the Blue Side of the Moon, I'll swallow
that.
The Maritimer
>
> Eric Richard Keiter writes:
>
> >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
> >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
> >
> > agreed.
>
> So much for that matchup.
Do you see what I posted first? Spidey's already gone up against super-strong
flying people. Besides, he's too agile to be hit by a punch. And the times he
has, he rolled with it to minimize impact. (again, because of his agility)
The Maritimer
Eric Richard Keiter
> Eric Richard Keiter writes:
>
> >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
> >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
> >
> > agreed.
>
> So much for that matchup.
good point..... however, I think she might have trouble being able to
hit him cleanly, given his speed. Plus, Rogue is often portrayed
as being more of a wimp than she was originally written to be.
o.k., you're right he might have some trouble with her....
Joseph Jason Welser
Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe: 13-Apr-96 Re:
Results of Spidey vs. X.. Eric Richard Keiter@hp-1 (5545)
<big snip about Spidey vs. lots of other X-Men, with outcomes that I
> agree with>
> > Spidey vs. Rogue:
> > Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> > with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> > against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
> agreed.
>
No way! I don't agree with this at all. Rouge just has to hit him into
something once and that "Spandex Advantage" is lost. Rouge is at least
as strong as Spiderman, and pretty quick too. Plus, she's "Pretty Nigh
Invulnerable." and has 6th and 7th senses. Spidey doesn't stand a
chance. Remember, Rouge clobbered Nimrod by herself, (albeit by
absorbing most of the other X-Men's powers) and I don't think Spiderman
wouldn't stand a chance against Nimrod.
> > Spidey vs. Storm:
> > Don't get me started. :)
> Storm is totally overrated, power-wise.
>
I don't agree here, either. Storm has quite a few powers at her
disposal. She can move just as fast as Spiderman, (Can Spidey move
faster than the wind? I don't think so.) and zap him with a large array
of different things that can't really be dodged (i.e. lightning bolts.)
I don't think Spiderman would do too well against Storm.
<Snip about Spidey vs. Wolverine. I agree that they'd probably fight to
some kind of draw>
>
> > Spidey vs. Psylocke:
> > Can't sneak up on a telepath. Hand-to-hand combat is definitely
> > not an option for Spidey. He would have to keep his distance and use his
> > webbing. If he manages to tie her up for a couple of seconds, he can
> > spring over to her and knock her out with one punch.
> I don't agree that hand-to-hand combat is not an option. Psylock
> may be a telepath with Ninja skills, but she's not strong like spiderman
> is. Also, she doesn't have superhuman speed like he does. True, she can
> anticipate his every move, but he can anticipate all of hers as well. Given
> his speed and strength advantage, I'd say that it would be a simple matter
> for him to grab both of her arms and pin them before she has time to
> move. I do think that he should have no problem with her. Heck, if
> Sabertooth can take her out.....
>
Definitely disagree (This is my favorite character in the Marvel
Universe that we're talking about!) Although the writers seem to go
overkill with her Psychic Knife (i.e. that that's her only power,) she's
got a vast array of psionic attacks at her disposal. Just look at any
of the Uncanny X-Men issues before #256, and you'll see that Psylocke
was more than capable of holding her own then (using Psi Blasts, etc.)
Her "transformation" didn't change her psi powers any except to give her
the psychic knife (which, as we're all sick of reading, is the "
physical manifestation of the sum total of her psychic abilities.")
Psylocke also likes to create the illusion that she is somewhere that
she really isn't. For this reason, I think that Spiderman, even if he
moves really fast will never touch her. He'll [stupidly] jump after
Psylocke, find out she's not there, and get a Psychic knife in the head.
Bye-bye Spidey.
> > Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
> > Definitely, without a doubt in my mind, this would be the
> > toughest fight for Spidey. Can't sneak up on her, can't use webbing on a
> > telekinetic. The only hope he has is to create enough of a disruption
> > around her to keep her busy long enough to take her out, but I wouldn't
> > bet any money on him.
> This one would be tricky. I agree that it might be the most
> difficult fight for him, with the exception of maybe Wolverine. The
> thing is, if she lets down her telekinetic shield at any point, he is
> way stronger than she is, and could knock her out very easily. Unfortunately
> for him, she's only going to do this if she's being exceptionally stupid,
> or if he's actually strong enough to challenge the integrity of the shield
> with brute force. If she decides to take him out telepathically, he could
> be toast, and would only have his willpower (which is strong) as a defense.
> In general, I think he's smarter than she is, so I could imagine him finding
> a way to outsmart her, but that's just a gut feeling I have.
>
Nah, Spiderman doesn't stand a chance against Phoenix. Read the
Sabretooth Special. Jean can break bones with a thought, plus, she's
got lots of the same telepathic abilities as Psylocke. I imagine a
<snap> <snap> <snap> <snap> Psi-bolt will be enough to squash Spidey.
Just my $.02
Jay
Laurence Lane
V> I don't call that a "draw" because of the sole fact that
V> Wolverine's bones were unbreakable at that time (laced with
V> adamantium). If the Hulk couldn't break Wolvy's adamantium I
V> seriously doubt that Spidey could. That's a Logan win anyway you
V> slice it
Actually, I recall the Hulk damaging an adamantium statue of himself (created
by Alicia Whatsherface).
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>> I don't agree that hand-to-hand combat is not an option.
>> Psylock may be a telepath with Ninja skills, but she's not strong
>> like spiderman is. Also, she doesn't have superhuman speed like he
>> does. True, she can anticipate his every move, but he can
>> anticipate all of hers as well. Given his speed and strength
>> advantage, I'd say that it would be a simple matter for him to grab
>> both of her arms and pin them before she has time to move. I do
>> think that he should have no problem with her. Heck, if Sabertooth
>> can take her out.....
<Snipped stuff>
>Psylocke also likes to create the illusion that she is somewhere that
>she really isn't. For this reason, I think that Spiderman, even if he
>moves really fast will never touch her. He'll [stupidly] jump after
>Psylocke, find out she's not there, and get a Psychic knife in the
>head.
> Bye-bye Spidey.
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it's goodbye Spidey. Spidey can connect with Wolverine over and over and
Wolverine would recover.
Your right, though, it's not who's stronger, but who does the writing.
Batman beat Cap?!?! Not a chance.
Ciao.
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> His Spider-Sense would tell him who was real. It tells what door to
> pick when a villan loses him, doesn't it?
It's not like he'd be able to see more than one Psylocke. Psylocke can
manipulate his mind to make him really think that that the illusion is
real, and often does this (See Uncanny X-Men #257, and many others.)
Sure, his Spider-Sense might warn him, but so what? If he really
believes that that's the real Psylocke, it won't do him any good....
J
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> Pros for Wolverine:
> He's got claws
> He has better martial art skills
undetermined whether or not Wolvie has super strength/speed....my guess
is that he does have it (tho' not to the degree of Spidey). and then
there is the whole berserker thing...
I like Spidey, but the kid wouldn't stand a chance against any of the
incarnations of Wolvie (pre-adamantium, post adamantium, doggie
wolvie)...no matter how strong Spidey is, he would eventually tire
(either from fatigue or blood loss) and Wolvie would go in for the kill.
Rob
Pagan:God Of Happy Postal Workers
after the post. The fact remains though that Wolvie couldn't ever
take on Spidey. Wolverine's strengths have been over done I feel. He
can't lift 10 tons(Spiderman) he isn't as fast as Spidy, in fact I
can't think of a catagory in which Wolvie is better(includin costume,
brains) the only thing Wolvie is better then Spiderman is in
ruthlesness. Spiderman would never kill a person wolverine would.
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>
> Hey I'm sorry about the healing factor, I didn't remember it until
> after the post. The fact remains though that Wolvie couldn't ever
> take on Spidey. Wolverine's strengths have been over done I feel. He
> can't lift 10 tons(Spiderman) he isn't as fast as Spidy, in fact I
> can't think of a catagory in which Wolvie is better(includin costume,
> brains
Being able to solve a chemistry question is *really* no help in a
fight...and when it comes to "brains" in a fight, Wolvie is much more
savy and experienced than Peter will ever be. Strength and speed aren't
everything; you forgot about endurance....sure Spidey is faster and
stronger at first, but as the fight progresses he would tire and finally
make a mistake. However, even in a short fight Wolvie would still kick
ass on Spiderman, IMO, since his training and martial art ability more
than make for is the weakness in strength and speed (in comparison to
Spidey).
Rob
Bryant C. Smith
mutants during the Secret Wars. But I think the writer's feelings
about a character has more to do with the outcome of superhero battles
than the actual abilities of the combatants.
Bryant
David R. Henry
>> >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
>> >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
>> >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
>> >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
>>
>> In which case, of course, she just punches him through six buildings.
>> So much for that matchup.
>
>Do you see what I posted first? Spidey's already gone up against super-strong
>flying people. Besides, he's too agile to be hit by a punch.
Uh-huh. Then why does he ever get hit?
>And the times he
>has, he rolled with it to minimize impact. (again, because of his agility)
And Rogue has maneuverability over him, speed over him, and resistance
to harm over him. In general, I have to vote for Rogue over Spider-Man.
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>> >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
>> >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
>> >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
>> >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
>>
>> In which case, of course, she just punches him through six buildings.
>> So much for that matchup.
>
>
>good point..... however, I think she might have trouble being able to
>hit him cleanly, given his speed.
Speed? Speed? Rogue can fly at supersonic speeds. She has a danger
sense, just like Spider-Man's. And, if handled properly, he's too
weak to do much damage to her in a straight-out fistfight. I'm not
saying he couldn't beat her -- Spidey is a great situational tactician
after all. But I wouldn't call it a clear thing on either side, and
as for a general weighing comparison of abilities, I'd be forced to
tip the scale to Rogue.
>Plus, Rogue is often portrayed
>as being more of a wimp than she was originally written to be.
_That's_ the real reason he'd win.
bishop
Cyclops, Gambit, and Bishop: Spidey too fast, avoids most energy blast. If
he was to connect with one punch its over.
X-Men Spidey could not beat:
Prof. X. and Jean Grey: Unless he catches them asleep he has no chance.
Prof. or Grey could mind wipe Spidey in seconds. Jean Grey's telekinetic
abilities would allow her to hold Spiderman with ease.
Storm takes Spiderman out with no problem. Like Jean Grey's telekinetic
ability Storm ability to control hurricane force winds could easily pin and
control Spiderman. Storm's many other abilities make this a complete
mismatch.
Iceman is a complicated because he still has not completely taken control of
all his powers as of yet. Spidey could probably beat Iceman now on a good
day, but if he took on the AOA Iceman he would not have a chance.
Spider could probably beat these X-Men:
Wolverine, Beast, Rouge, and Pyslocke with these X-Men it really depends on
who writing the fight and the circumstances.
Sidenote:
For all those who keep arguing about Spidey's super speed and spidey sense.
No flame intended, but neither stopped Spidey from receiving beatings from
Dr. Oct., Kraven, Vulture, Electro, and Scorpian. There are more but I think
I made many of whom are not as strong or powerful as many X-men. These
powers give him an edge, but do not make him unbeatable.
Armando Z. Ayala
Inferno." It was issue 5, I believe. Anyway, in there you can find a
brief fight between Wolvie and Spiderman. Spiderman gets sqished.
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:The fact remains though that Wolvie couldn't ever
:take on Spidey. Wolverine's strengths have been over done I feel. He
:can't lift 10 tons(Spiderman) he isn't as fast as Spidy, in fact I
:can't think of a catagory in which Wolvie is better(includin costume,
:brains) the only thing Wolvie is better then Spiderman is in
:ruthlesness. Spiderman would never kill a person wolverine would.
Hm. What about that one-shot with Wolverine and Spiderman set in Cold
War Berlin? I can't remember what it was called, but the plot involved
PP going on a news story, finding Ned Leeds (sp?) dead in a Hobgoblin
costume, and meeting up with W who was trying to get an old
acquaintance from his secret agent days (a woman called Charlie) out
of trouble. Lots of fights with W & PP against legions of agents, and
eventually a fight to a stalemate between W & PP when W tries to help
the woman commit suicide. As Spidey stalks off, the woman imitates W
and sneaks up on PP from behind, so that PP, in a rage, turns and hits
her with a full strength punch. This being Marvel, she had time for a
last speech before snuffing it from massive injuries. Everyone goes
home feeling terrible.
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[snips]
okay spidey beats angel and Beast
|> : Spidey vs. Bishop:
|>
|> Another I agree, If bishop has an energy source, he just has too much
|> physical power for spidey.
Don't matter. He still can't hit Spidey, so i don't know about this. And Bishop
never fights with an energy source besides his gun and some charge that he alread
y has stored. And even still, HE CAN't hit em :)
|>
|> : Spidey vs. Cyclops:
|> : The only way Cyke could hit him is if he shot at a wide angle.
|> : Other than that, he has no chance.
|>
|> I dunno about this. There is another chance.....
|> Spidey doesn't actually dodge lasers, lightning, other light speed stuff
|> what he does is dodge the split second before the trigger is pulled and
|> the shooter doesn't readjust in time.
|> Therefor, If Cyke simple left his power on (removed glasses) and started
|> looking around the beam would sweep over and pulverize spidey.
|> Though again like the storm thread, this is only applicable if Cyke
|> doesn't care about collateral damage and/or hurting spidey.
Spidey doesn't not dodge the split second before the trigger is pulled.
This would make no sense because:
a. doesn't explain how he dodges non-mechanical blasts (like Electro)
b. doesn't explain how he dodges automatic weapons.
c. It's just plain stupid :)
He dodges light speed projectiles, that's just obvious. Thus, Cyke would not
have a chance. Plus, Cyke could easily be snuck up on by a guy with superspeed
super reflexes and impact webbing
|>
|> : Spidey vs. Gambit:
|> : LeBeau won't be able to hit him with anything, although he might
|> : be able to create a large enough explosion to rock Spider-Man, but it
|> : might take himself out as well.
|>
|> Does Gambit have mutant agility?
|> Regardless, Lots of little explosions could rock Spidey. A handful of
|> pebbles all charged and throuwn with a wide dispersal to prevent dodging.
|> Still I would bet 90% on spidey but the cajun is sneaky enough that I
|> could see it maybe.
Little pebbles probably wouldn't work cuz again spidey has dodged that kind of
thing before. Superspeed and webbing win this one (even though i love gambit)
|> : Spidey vs. Iceman:
|> : Enveloping Spidey in ice may be Bobby's only chance to win. (and
|> : even that only hold him for a minute or two)
|>
|> Gee wrong wrong wrong wrong.
|> Iceman vs Spidey.... Iceman freeze his BLOOD. .... no more spidey.
|> (see the white queen vs iceman encounter???
|> things done to the queen would take out spidey.
What exactly did he do to her?
I forgot?
|> : Spidey vs. Rogue:
|> Okay Spidey win's if spandex stays in one piece :)
True, and he can definitely use rogues attitude and temper
against her. She's invulnerable, but not indestructable.
|> : Spidey vs. Storm:
|> : Don't get me started. :)
spidey :)
|> : Spidey vs. Wolverine:
|> This fight has been done.... If spidey has room to maneuver he wins...
|> If not, wolvie wins. Though the two are so evenly matched that
|> the only wins would be the final sort.
he would only not have room to manuever unless he was in a closet!
Wolvie is toast.
|> : Spidey vs. Psylocke:
|> Yeah I think Spidey here. He'd even dodge the psychic blade.
|> Human Ninja skills vs spider sense,reflexes, agility = no hit with blade
|>
ditto
|> : Spidey vs. Jean Grey:
|> Jean all the way. TK picks spidey up, breaks him apart or does whatever
|> she wants. (not even talking telepath brain freeze)
True, sorry peter
Marlon D. Shows
|> Remember one thing, Pagan, all Wolverine has to do is connect once and
|> it's goodbye Spidey. Spidey can connect with Wolverine over and over and
|> Wolverine would recover.
Wolvie can't recover if his head is no longer on his body!
No way wolvie could win.
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spidey has fought illusionist before. He would go with SS and not visual sense
And when has Psylocke ever been able todo this before?
The Man with the Golden Gun
>In article <4kjamv$l...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, lync...@umich.edu (Michael Patrick Lynch) writes:
>|>
>|> : Spidey vs. Cyclops:
>|> : The only way Cyke could hit him is if he shot at a wide angle.
>|> : Other than that, he has no chance.
>|>
>|> I dunno about this. There is another chance.....
>|> Spidey doesn't actually dodge lasers, lightning, other light speed stuff
>|> what he does is dodge the split second before the trigger is pulled and
>|> the shooter doesn't readjust in time.
>|> Therefor, If Cyke simple left his power on (removed glasses) and started
>|> looking around the beam would sweep over and pulverize spidey.
>|> Though again like the storm thread, this is only applicable if Cyke
>|> doesn't care about collateral damage and/or hurting spidey.
>Spidey doesn't not dodge the split second before the trigger is pulled.
>This would make no sense because:
>a. doesn't explain how he dodges non-mechanical blasts (like Electro)
He dodges before they are made. Poor wording, perhaps, but a valid
point.
>b. doesn't explain how he dodges automatic weapons.
Yes it does. If you have ever fired an automatic weapon, it's pretty
self-evident.
>c. It's just plain stupid :)
No, it isn't. To actually dodge a bullet, Spidey would have to dodge
before hearing it (assuming a back shot, which he has done, I think).
>He dodges light speed projectiles, that's just obvious. Thus, Cyke would not
>have a chance. Plus, Cyke could easily be snuck up on by a guy with superspeed
>super reflexes and impact webbing
You're not giving Cyke very much credit there. He's one hell of a
soldier, and he is very observant in a combat situation. Sneaking up on
him is possible, but difficult. Besides, light speed projectiles is an
impossibility.
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context of the Wolverine/Spiderman 1-shot:
> Aren't you talking about a 'What IF'
No, although it may have been reprinted as one. It may have been
intended to be a limited series that never got off the ground, or an
experiment. The book had 60+ pages on good quality paper, but had no
ads. It also gad traditional stapes-at-the centre binding instead of
the square binding often used in longer books. I thought it odd at the
time.
vincent radford
On 15 Apr 1996, david beaulieu wrote:
> Remember one thing, Pagan, all Wolverine has to do is connect once and
> it's goodbye Spidey. Spidey can connect with Wolverine over and over and
> Wolverine would recover.
>
> Your right, though, it's not who's stronger, but who does the writing.
> Batman beat Cap?!?! Not a chance.
>
> Ciao.
>
>
I think that Bats could beat Cap on any day, as for the fight between
Spiderman and Wolverine: in their first fight, Spidey was at disadvantage
because Wolvie had the 'ol Adamantium skull so he really
couldn't do that much damage to him, but now that the metal is gone, I
think Spidey could very well clean Wolvie's clock. Even with a super
healing power, there's only so many punches Logan can take to the head by
a man with the proportionate strength of a spider!
vincent radford
brawler than anything else and her fighting style is definately inferior
to Spidey's. I doubt that she could even lay a finger on him let alone a
punch, meanwhile Spiderman is nailing the crap out of her from every
direction....stick to fighting sentinels, babe.
As for Jean Grey, well THAT would be a tough fight for Parker to win, BUT
if he relied on the old ambush technique and took her off guard then he
would have a chance, plus Jean isn't known for her stamina (remember how
exhausted she gets after a prolonged fight, ie: Sabretooth saga) so if
Spidey took her to the distance and somehow shielded his presence from her
PSI probes, then he COULD very well win.....maybe.
Skipper
go toe to toe with almost anybody short of the Hulk, rember he has beaten the Juggernaut
and Firelord (a Galactus hearald)
Lord of deXness
She used to do it all the time around X-Men #212-#230. Well, maybe not all the
time, but enough times to make it a viable tactic.
deX!
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
>
> Check out Secret Wars #3, Spidey embarrasses the entire X-men team!! Spider-man can
> go toe to toe with almost anybody short of the Hulk,
Wolvie has gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk, Twice!! And each time it was a
tie...
Unfortunately, there isn't any consistancy in Marvel....Spidey would
lose in a Wolvie book and Wolvie would lose in a Spidey book; it is all
a matter of prespective (ie., sales) by the writers.
Of course, I still think Wolvie can make hamburger meat out of
Spidey....:-)
Rob
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
> Even with a super
> healing power, there's only so many punches Logan can take to the head by
> a man with the proportionate strength of a spider!
>
And there is just some many times that Spidey can be gutted with
Wolvie's claw before he dies :-) Wolvie can take a couple of clean hits
from Spiderman, can Spiderman survive a comprable hit from Wolvie's
claw? I think not....
Rob
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
>
> I think that Spider could kick Rogue's butt myself. She's more of a
> brawler than anything else and her fighting style is definately inferior
> to Spidey's. I doubt that she could even lay a finger on him let alone a
> punch, meanwhile Spiderman is nailing the crap out of her from every
> direction....stick to fighting sentinels, babe.
Rogue still retains Carol Danver's training, so I really doubt that her
fighting style is anyway inferior to Spiderman...plus, I really doubt
Spiderman can hurt, she being invulnerable and all. And she is stronger
and faster, so it really wouldn't be a contest.
> As for Jean Grey, well THAT would be a tough fight for Parker to win, BUT
> if he relied on the old ambush technique and took her off guard then he
> would have a chance, plus Jean isn't known for her stamina (remember how
> exhausted she gets after a prolonged fight, ie: Sabretooth saga) so if
> Spidey took her to the distance and somehow shielded his presence from her
> PSI probes, then he COULD very well win.....maybe.
How can he shield himself from psi-probes? Remember, Jean Grey in an
atom bomb and Spiderman is a fire-cra...er, I mean and a hand grenade;
and you forget, Jean is a telepath, I doubt it that she can be taken off
guard. Spiderman would have no chance against Jean Grey, either.
Rob
Vader
>
> Hey I'm sorry about the healing factor, I didn't remember it until
> take on Spidey. Wolverine's strengths have been over done I feel. He
> can't lift 10 tons(Spiderman) he isn't as fast as Spidy, in fact I
> can't think of a catagory in which Wolvie is better(includin costume,
> brains) the only thing Wolvie is better then Spiderman is in
> ruthlesness. Spiderman would never kill a person wolverine would.
>
All I know is that you don't mess with 2 people in the Marvel
Universe. Magneto and Wolverine. You just don't do it. Tug on
Superman's cape if you must. Spit in Ororo's windy hurricanes if you
have to, but do not....I repeat do NOT go looking for a fight with one
Wolverine. He just doesn't play. Proportionate strength of a spider?
Feh. Can you say "berzerker rage?!!" And don't give me, "spidey is soo
much smarter." Yeah, he's so smart look at the mess his life is
constantly in. Plus, Wolverine has been to hell and back fighting all
types of enemies, in all types of Central and Government Intelligence
Agencies. They don't admit you to those sort of organizations if you
ain't got the brain power, bub. The experience Logan has, the many
fighting styles he knows. The knowledge in that canucklehead of his is
just scary.
If Spidey wants to do any sort of damage he's got to come to Logan
sooner or later. It only takes one well-timed slash. One mortal strike
and Spidey's radioactive blood is strewn all over the sidewalk.
This is not say Spidey won't do some major damage, but Logan's
shockin' healing factor is near godlike now. Logan gets hit my a
speeding truck (or speeding jazzed up Spider-man_....Logan gets up.
Logan gets pissed. Logan kills Spider. Sorry, M.J.
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Vader
>
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks: 15-Apr-96 Re:
> Results of Spidey vs. X.. Tim Marg...@iw.net (1902)
>
> > His Spider-Sense would tell him who was real. It tells what door to
> > pick when a villan loses him, doesn't it?
>
> It's not like he'd be able to see more than one Psylocke. Psylocke can
> manipulate his mind to make him really think that that the illusion is
> real, and often does this (See Uncanny X-Men #257, and many others.)
>
> Sure, his Spider-Sense might warn him, but so what? If he really
> believes that that's the real Psylocke, it won't do him any good....
>
One. His Spider-sense is executed by some part of his brain, is it
not? Therefore, if you wreck the brain his Spider-sense is vulnerable
if not ineffective.
Secondly. Spider-man has the bad habit of ignoring his Spider-sense in
critical situations. Look at his encounter with the Jury for an
example. Sometimes, he believes more in his eyes and physical senses
than his Spider sense.
Vader
>
> Do you see what I posted first? Spidey's already gone up against super-strong
> flying people. Besides, he's too agile to be hit by a punch. And the times he
> has, he rolled with it to minimize impact. (again, because of his agility)
>
> The Maritimer
Spidey's too agile to be hit by a punch? Tell that to Venom. He's
kicked his butt more times than anyone. And he's done it with not one
but SERIES of punches. Rogue is stronger than Spidey and faster than
he is. SPidey has the proportionate speed of a spider. Cool. That's
nice. Rogue can travel at supersonic speeds. The Spandex argument is
bordering on ridiculous; how many times have we seen Spidey with a
ripped up costume on? They even have an action figure with that torn
and tattered costume. Isn't that the whole reason Venom came into
existence....that Spidey ripped up his costume? One touch is all it
would take. Nighty-Night Spidey.
Angell R. French
: He's stronger than Wolverine
: He's faster than Wolverine
Interesting. I am interested to hear your opinions on why these
are so. I would pair these two pretty much equal in strength and agility.
Vader
> > As for Jean Grey, well THAT would be a tough fight for Parker to win, BUT
> > if he relied on the old ambush technique and took her off guard then he
> > would have a chance,
Whoever wrote this....can you say "reaching?" If Spidey took her by
surprise.... Umm..what's to stop Jean from taking Spidey by surprise
or using the "old ambush technique" against him? If you apply that
line of reasoning that you could get any sort of victory you wanted
using all sorts of characters. Basically, you're saying that Jean
would win in almost every encounter....unless Spidey had surprise on
his side. I think that basically answers the Jean/Spidey question
rather simply.
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
<snip logical reasons for Wolvie destroying Spidey>
>
> This is not say Spidey won't do some major damage, but Logan's
> shockin' healing factor is near godlike now. Logan gets hit my a
> speeding truck (or speeding jazzed up Spider-man_....Logan gets up.
> Logan gets pissed. Logan kills Spider. Sorry, M.J.
Hey, and doesn't M.J. (at least the McFarlane version) look alot like
Jean Grey/Madelyne Pryor....hmmm, I think there could be a potential
romance between the two. :-)
Rob
Matt Linton
>You're not giving Cyke very much credit there. He's one hell of a
>soldier, and he is very observant in a combat situation. Sneaking up on
>him is possible, but difficult. Besides, light speed projectiles is an
>impossibility.
>
If you read Uncanny X-Men 201, Cyclops was beaten by an unpowered Storm, and I'm sure Spidey could take out Storm without her powers.
Matt, who longs for the day Claremont returns to the X-Men
Pagan:God Of Ballon Animals
I wrote I'll snip it if a bloodt want to.
> All I know is that you don't mess with 2 people in the Marvel
> Universe. Magneto and Wolverine. You just don't do it. Tug on
> Superman's cape if you must. Spit in Ororo's windy hurricanes if you
> have to, but do not....I repeat do NOT go looking for a fight with one
> Wolverine. He just doesn't play. Proportionate strength of a spider?
> Feh. Can you say "berzerker rage?!!" And don't give me, "spidey is soo
> much smarter." Yeah, he's so smart look at the mess his life is
> constantly in. Plus, Wolverine has been to hell and back fighting all
> types of enemies, in all types of Central and Government Intelligence
> Agencies. They don't admit you to those sort of organizations if you
> ain't got the brain power, bub. The experience Logan has, the many
> fighting styles he knows. The knowledge in that canucklehead of his is
> just scary.
>
> If Spidey wants to do any sort of damage he's got to come to Logan
> sooner or later. It only takes one well-timed slash. One mortal strike
> and Spidey's radioactive blood is strewn all over the sidewalk.
>
> shockin' healing factor is near godlike now. Logan gets hit my a
> speeding truck (or speeding jazzed up Spider-man_....Logan gets up.
> Logan gets pissed. Logan kills Spider. Sorry, M.J.
>
You did not want to go there Vadar.
<Ding round 2>
Wolverine is one of the most exagerated charecters ever written.
His strength is shown to be extremely high, but it when ever stated is
always stated less then 1 ton. Spiderman is one of the most under
written. His strength is always stated in a high catagory.
Wolverine is slow, don't give me any crap, compared to Spiderman. He
moves like lightning. Wolverine could barely even touch him.
Spiderman has gone against Venom, his claws are currently sharper then
Wolverine's, and beat him. Venom has always been stronger and faster
then Wolverine. Spiderman's strength can easily break a bone with
every punch, kick, and hit. Spiderman can break 100 bones, including
Wolvie's claws in less then a minute. Healing factor or not Wolverine
can't come back. Wolverine would be killed instantly with one hit to
the head, it would take spiderman .001 a second to release this punch.
I've never seen Wolverine move this fast. Wolverine could be killer.
But as I've stated it's not who's the most powerful, smart, or better
it's who writes the story.
Pagan:God Of Ballon Animals
Lord of deXness
>
>
>On 15 Apr 1996, david beaulieu wrote:
>
>
> I think that Bats could beat Cap on any day, as for the fight between
>Spiderman and Wolverine: in their first fight, Spidey was at disadvantage
> because Wolvie had the 'ol Adamantium skull so he really
>couldn't do that much damage to him, but now that the metal is gone, I
>a man with the proportionate strength of a spider!
>
Seeing as how Wolverine was recently run over by a car (front and back tires)
and immediately hopped up and kicked some arse, I think he'd be able to hold
out longer than you think.
deX!
Laughing Tiger
[Snipped alotta stuff]
> Wolverine's, and beat him. Venom has always been stronger and faster
> then Wolverine. Spiderman's strength can easily break a bone with
> every punch, kick, and hit. Spiderman can break 100 bones, including
> Wolvie's claws in less then a minute. Healing factor or not Wolverine
> can't come back. Wolverine would be killed instantly with one hit to
> the head, it would take spiderman .001 a second to release this punch.
> I've never seen Wolverine move this fast. Wolverine could be killer.
Yes, Spidey can do all of these things, but based on your statement below,
I'll use actual (written) battles. Spidey KNOCKS OUT enemies, Wolvie
KILLS enemies. Spidey probably could have killed Wolvie during their fight
in the graveyard, but that's against Spidey's code. Wolvie used this to his
advantage in their fight. Spidey's speed, agility, etc. were present during
the fight, but Wolvie attacked Spidey's mind. He placed Spidey in a
position, where the only way for Spidey to win was for him to kill Wolverine.
Spiderman couldn't do this. So had Wolverine wanted to, he could have
killed Spiderman = Wolvie wins.
A Wolverine without adamantium, should still be able to win the same way.
Now that Wolvie doesn't have the metal, Spidey would not hit him as
hard as he did before. Spidey would be going for the knockout, not
the kill. How hard do you hit a man, who can get hit by a car and laugh,
just to knock him out? You can't think about things like that during a
life threatening situation. So as long as Spidey can't kill and Wolvie can,
Spiderman can't beat Wolverine.
> But as I've stated it's not who's the most powerful, smart, or better
> it's who writes the story.
You have used this statement more than once, yet you contiune to debate
who would win. It's makes you look like, your fighting a battle you don't
believe you can win.
--
Laughing Tiger
(who if you couldn't guess is a Wolverine fanboy. And PROUD of it.)
new...@tad.dot.gov
Bryant C. Smith
he and the X-Men have been some of my favorite characters and I have
collected their books for many years. That said I think most people give
Spiderman far to little credit as a fighter. As for the Spidey-Wolverine
battles I think their meetings were inconclusive at best. In the
Spiderman-Wolverine one shot, Spidey was out of his element ( in the
world of spies and assasins he just didn't know who were the players or
the rules) and was out of sync after seeing the murdered body of his
"friend" Ned Leeds. Wolverine was trying to give an old comrade a
peaceful end was determined to see it happen at any cost. The battle
between the two heroes and the shocking ending made this one of my
favorite stories.
The one thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that Spiderman has fought
and trashed Wolverine's arch-enemy: Sabretooth. I think this could be
a good indication of what a Spidey-Wolverine battle could be like. Spidey
used his speed and smarts to defeat very determined and savage
Sabretooth. Although Wolverine is slightly faster than 'Tooth and a more
controlled fighter, I think a battle between he Spiderman could resemble
those fights.
As for one shot from the claws and he's history I'll just drop a few
names and see if they ring any bells: Puma, Venom, Carnage, the Lobo
Brothers, Man-Wolf, Vermin, the Lizard and Sabretooth. Spidey has fought
plenty of savage, feral opponents and beaten them. He didn't come out of
these battles unscathed, but he has found a way to win again and again.
So I am not saying that Wolverine would lose, but I think you have give
Spidey some credit admit that it would be a lot tougher fight than most
people think.
Bryant
Jamie Coville
>
>First, bare in mind I think Spider-man is the best charecter in the
>Marvel Universe and i think Wolvie is pathetic dog-boy.
>
>Pros for Spidey:
>His Spidy sense allows him to react to every attack of Wolverine.
>He's stronger than Wolverine
>He's faster than Wolverine
>He can jump higher
>He is more agile
>He's smarter
>
>Pros for Wolverine:
>He's got claws
>He has better martial art skills
>
>Negs for Spidey:
>He has a great respect for life
>
>Negs for Wolverine:
>Spidey's spider sense negates his enhanced senses
>He's weaker than Spider-man
>
> There you go. Though you must remember it's not who's stronger
>it's who's who writes the story!
I like both Characters but You did forget some things...
Pros' for Wolverine
Healing facter. Spidey can pound on him till doomsday and it won't stop
Wolvie..
Wolverine is quick too, not as quick as Spiderman, but quick enough to
cuff him a few times.
If you wan't to see a fight between the two, I suggest you get out the
Wallet (it will cost you some) and get the Spider-man vs. Wolverine
trade paper back. It happened before Spider-man got married. It's a
really great book. I recomend it.
rwi...@mail.utexas.edu
"You're fast, I'm faster. You're strong, I'm stronger. You kill, I'm a
killer."
Yet with all of Sabretooth's strength and speed, he still gets a claw
into the skull. Why? 'cuz Wolvie is the best at what he does!
Spiderman, despite his strength and speed, would lose in a fight against
Wolverine for one reason; the only way to stop Wolvie is to kill him,
and Spidey doesn't have it in him. Well, actually there are two
reason...HEALING FACTOR....Wolvie has been runover by a speeding car,
had nearly every bone in his body broken along with rupturing most
organs, and was walking away fine a few seconds later drinking a brew.
Even if Spidey could get a shot to Wolvie skull (which I doubt since
Wolverine has ten times the martial arts ability and fighting
experience), Logan would heal it an instant later. While I'll agree with
you that Spidey can beat most of the X-men and related mutant
characters, but Wolverine isn't one of them.
Rob
PS- Don't give me no grief about Spidey, Black Cat, and Silver Sable
beating Sabretooth in a fight...I'm convinced that those weren't the
real Sabretooth, but rather defective Sinister clones :-) And of
course, Sabretooth has changed alot since his retcon....
Phoenix
> Pros for Spidey:
>He's faster than Wolverine
This is not necessarily true. In the Spiderman vs Wolverine storyline,
when Wolverine and Spiderman were fighting in an East Berlin Cemetry
Spiderman said " He's fast...faster than me?" He also said his spider
sense could only give him vague warnings and he kept getting put off by
the claws whipping past his face. Spidy realised that the only way for
him to beat Wolverine was to kill him, and the probability was that
Wolverine would kill him while he was trying it.
Now I'm not sure how Wolverine has changed due to his current no-nose
stuation, but I imagine he'll be faster due to the lack of adamantium in
his skeleton, his healing factor has speeded up and he won't bother
trying to reason with him like he did in their last match-up. He doesn't
have to be as strong as Spidey unless he's planning to arm wrestle him.
He just has to make sure his claws are sharp.
I think the odds are more in favour of Wolverine if Spidey wanted to
fight, because there is no point in Spidey staying out of reach because
he won't do any significant damage from a distance. Wolverine appears
to have greater endurance and so the odds are in his favour should it
come to a long drawn out fight. A short fight would have to be up close
and personal and again I believe the odds are in Wolverine's favour.
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Chinh Nguyen
Pagan:God Of Ballon Animals <DN...@prolog.net> wrote:
> Wolverine is one of the most exagerated charecters ever written.
While this is true, at least he's consistent in his strength.
Spider-Man, on the other hand, goes from whupping a Herald of Galactus to
getting wiped on the pavement by an old man with wings. Go figure.
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friends are." -- Bhruic Dearg
Harvey Torrance Griffin
> In article <4kp7t3$b...@plains.nodak.edu>, dhe...@plains.nodak.edu (David R. Henry) writes:
> > Eric Richard Keiter writes:
> >
> > >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
> > >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
> > >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
> > >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
> > >
> > > agreed.
> >
> > In which case, of course, she just punches him through six buildings.
> > So much for that matchup.
>
>
> good point..... however, I think she might have trouble being able to
> hit him cleanly, given his speed. Plus, Rogue is often portrayed
> as being more of a wimp than she was originally written to be.
>
> o.k., you're right he might have some trouble with her....
<Johnny Come Lately Mode>
_SOME_ TROUBLE!?!?!
If Spidey hauls off and slugs her full force, all he'd do is get
her extremely upset.
Her Seventh Sense makes her nearly as fast as he is, and she has
an obcene edge in mobility.
His only chances of victory involve entrapping her, binding her,
dropping something heavy (i.e. a building) on her head, or running away
from her until she get's tired/careless enough to blunder into a trap.
All she has to do is land one or two halfway solid punches... or
damage the outfit and make Contact... or grab him (either directly or via
webline) and take off at Mach 5... or (get the picture?)
I think Webhead is at the disadvantage here ;)
HTG
Robert Jahrling
fight? I mean a knock-down, drag-out, call-the-bouncers-and-the-cops
street or bar brawl?
The smart, aggressive guy with a good sense of combat tactics and years of
hand-to-hand combat training and experience as well as the willingness to
take a few blows while giving more and harder AND (pause for breath :) the
willingness to kill if necessary (like an old-school SEAL or...Wolverine)
will beat the hell out of the smart, not-so-aggressive guy who would
rather not go the extra step (like most people, and like...Spidey).
Of course, as has already been pointed out, it depends ultimately on the
writer. In comics, anybody can beat anybody else as long as the writer
says so.
The Maritimer
> One. His Spider-sense is executed by some part of his brain, is it
> not? Therefore, if you wreck the brain his Spider-sense is vulnerable
> if not ineffective.
Um, if you wreck the brain, his spider-sense would be the last thing he
would worry about.
> Secondly. Spider-man has the bad habit of ignoring his Spider-sense in
> critical situations. Look at his encounter with the Jury for an
> example. Sometimes, he believes more in his eyes and physical senses
> than his Spider sense.
Ah. I do believe he forced himself to ignore it. If I remember correctly,
he was helping some innocent people and in order to make sure they were
safe, he had to ignore his spdr-sense, therefore setting himself up. Again
the question of innocents are brought back.
The Maritimer
Jeff Simon
>From: "Pagan:God Of Ballon Animals" <DN...@prolog.net>
>Subject: Re: Spidey vs. Wolverine
>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:28:09 -0400
>It's called Speed! Spidey has it Wolvie dosn't.
>--
I shudder to once again get involved in an X[man] vrs. Y thread, but your
statement is completely incorrect. Wolverine has enough speed to cut a
rocket propelled dart out of the air (Warhawk, X-Men #108[?]) dodge bullets,
and other such nonsense. If you insist on a Spiderman comparison, in the
Spiderman vrs. Wolverine book of the brown costumed Wolverine era,
Peter Parker is in awe of Wolverine's speed. Paraphrased, his internal
dialogue is something like this:
"God, he's fast!"
"Faster than me?" *with fear*
"N . . . nobody's faster than me!"
The indication throughout that fight is that Spiderman IS faster than
Wolverine, but Logan's speed is at a level sufficient to push Peter
very hard, to his limits. In short, Peter was impressed by his speed.
Keep in mind that Logan's healing factor will remove fatigue toxins from
his system and keep him fresh. That means his muscles will not suffer
from carbon buildup and tire out the way other hero's will. After ten minutes
of duking it out, Wolverine will still be as fast and relatively fresh as he
was at the start of the fight, while most other heroes will be sucking wind.
Now to the personal opinion portion of this post. The winner of any comic
book fight depends on the writer. I think, however, the winner would depend
on the amount of open ground available. If Spidey can keep his distance, he
could probably wear Logan down in the long run. If he gets cornered . . . how
do you like your beef sliced?
J. Simon
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>
> The Maritimer wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you see what I posted first? Spidey's already gone up against super-strong
> > flying people. Besides, he's too agile to be hit by a punch. And the times he
> > has, he rolled with it to minimize impact. (again, because of his agility)
> >
> > The Maritimer
>
> Spidey's too agile to be hit by a punch? Tell that to Venom. He's
> kicked his butt more times than anyone. And he's done it with not one
> but SERIES of punches.
The main reason Venom constantly beats Peter is that he cancells out his
spider-sense. It's pretty hard to avoid something if you didn't know it was
coming, right?
> Rogue is stronger than Spidey and faster than
> he is. SPidey has the proportionate speed of a spider. Cool. That's
> nice. Rogue can travel at supersonic speeds.
And Spidey has avoided things at LIGHT speed. (a.k.a. lasers)
His agility, speed, and spider-sense all combine into a hard-to-beat combination.
Take away one of them (as in the case with Venom) and Spidey's in trouble. He
senses something coming, and his agility/speed allows him to avoid it.
> The Spandex argument is
> bordering on ridiculous; how many times have we seen Spidey with a
> ripped up costume on? They even have an action figure with that torn
> and tattered costume. Isn't that the whole reason Venom came into
> existence....that Spidey ripped up his costume? One touch is all it
> would take. Nighty-Night Spidey.
Meanwhile Rogue would be screaming about "With Great Power Comes Great
Responsibity", be climbing walls, and develop strong feelings for MJ.
Y'know, this could be interesting :)
Please excuse my R-rated thoughts.
The Maritimer
The Maritimer
>
> Skipper wrote:
> >
> > Check out Secret Wars #3, Spidey embarrasses the entire X-men team!! Spider-man can
> > go toe to toe with almost anybody short of the Hulk,
>
> Wolvie has gone toe-to-toe with the Hulk, Twice!! And each time it was a
> tie...
Actually, Spidey and Wolvie ended in a tie as well.
> Unfortunately, there isn't any consistancy in Marvel....Spidey would
> lose in a Wolvie book and Wolvie would lose in a Spidey book; it is all
> a matter of prespective (ie., sales) by the writers.
Absolutely
> Of course, I still think Wolvie can make hamburger meat out of
> Spidey....:-)
Y'know, now it would be really hard to tell mostly because we don't know what the
now-regressed Logan can do. If we knew what he can do now, maybe we can draw an
accurate depiction of events.
The Maritimer
The Maritimer
>
> : Pros for Spidey:
I agree with the agility part. I don't think Logan can lift 10 tons. Haven't
seen him do it yet. Maybe being more feral will give him more strength. Who
knows.
The Maritimer
Michael Patrick Lynch
First two facts:
Wolverine is no where as fast or strong as spiderman.
Also remember the magic of comics,
heroes are barely strong enough to win vs their opponent
or strong enough to give a tie against a superior opponent if
the writer wishes.
Ex. Hulk hits thor far enough to be outside a nuclear blast range
yet Wolverine can get a draw? Get real. (Sorta a contradiction here :> )
Spiderman beats the entire X-man in secret wars, hell the Wasp does as well..
again get real.
A couple things about previous posts:
Of course Venom manages to hit Spiderman, he is immune to the spider-sense
Not to mention venom would mutilate Wolverine as well.
For those of you who think Wolverine would dish out more punishment
than spidey to handle consider one name .... Carnage.
If spiderman can stand up to carnage, he could handle anything Wolverine
would through at him. (Carnage may well be Spiderman+Wolverine)
For those of you keep mentioning that Spidey wouldn't kill....
he wouldn't have towhen you look objectively.
He is fast enough to grab Wolverines arms. And strong enough
10* minimum, to pin them. Then simply web them together =
imbolized wolverine.
Actually all Spidey has to do is poor on the webbing. Even assuming bone
claws can cut it, Wolverine is not strong enough to break his arms free
enough to move his arms to cut the webbing.
(Image wolverine's arms at sides, webbed. If arms imbolized what good
does claws do? Image: Wolverine against a wall with arms spready eagle.
Again arms imbolized.)
* I don't buy the arguement that Wolverine will just cut his way free
somehow * (though giving a comic universe that's probably what the
writers would say *sigh*)
I really like Wolverine but Spiderman beats chars
like firelord,
gives chars like Silver Surfer a hard time, annoys Thanos, and qute
simply operates on a power level outside of wolverines.
Michael
The Man with the Golden Gun
>The Man with the Golden Gun <CLOV...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>
>>You're not giving Cyke very much credit there. He's one hell of a
>>soldier, and he is very observant in a combat situation. Sneaking up on
>>him is possible, but difficult. Besides, light speed projectiles is an
>>impossibility.
>>
>If you read Uncanny X-Men 201, Cyclops was beaten by an unpowered Storm, and I'm sure Spidey could take out Storm without her powers.
And did you read why this happened? It's explained later on.
-Scaramanga, also longing for the Claremont days, or at least the days
the teams had personalities.
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Vermilion
>Matt Linton <jar...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>The Man with the Golden Gun <CLOV...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>You're not giving Cyke very much credit there. He's one hell of a
>>>soldier, and he is very observant in a combat situation. Sneaking up on
>>>him is possible, but difficult. Besides, light speed projectiles is an
>>>impossibility.
>>>
>>If you read Uncanny X-Men 201, Cyclops was beaten by an unpowered Storm, and I'm sure Spidey could take out Storm without her powers.
>And did you read why this happened? It's explained later on.
>-Scaramanga, also longing for the Claremont days, or at least the days
>the teams had personalities.
Nononono. No. Don't drag that Madelyne retcon out on me. Stormy slapped
Scott on his ass all on her own. It's a crock of hooey to say Madelyne
manifested Goblin Queen powers in UXM 201, when she didn't actually become
Goblin Queen for another 38 issues.
- Vermilion, who knows hooey when he steps in it.
Keldroc
>A couple things about previous posts:
>Of course Venom manages to hit Spiderman, he is immune to the
>spider-sense
>Not to mention venom would mutilate Wolverine as well.
I dunno about that. When they met up in MCP around issue #117, they
seemed pretty even. In fact, I believe Wolvie lost the first round. The
V-Man impaled him on a tree. Then later Wolvie impaled Venom on his
claws. Then they made a truce. Neither seemed to have a clear advantage.
'Course, it was a dream....
Keldroc, Master of the Elements of Water and Air
Official Ninja Wrangler of the Church of X-Books
_________
"The skeleton in the closet is coming home to roost."
-- Tom Stoppard
Eric Richard Keiter
>Eric Richard Keiter writes:
>
:>> >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
:>> >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
:>> >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
:>> >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
:>> In which case, of course, she just punches him through six buildings.
:>> So much for that matchup.
:>
:>
:>good point..... however, I think she might have trouble being able to
:>hit him cleanly, given his speed.
:Speed? Speed? Rogue can fly at supersonic speeds.
She doesn't exactly turn on a dime. I've never seen her fly in
anything other than a straight line, or a curved path with a very
large radius. If she rams into him at a supersonic speed, he'd
be hurt, but I think the only time that would happen would be
if for some reason his spider sense was turned off. Plus, does
she really fly that fast? I don't recall it ever being stated
that she can break the sound barrier. (or ever seeing it portrayed)
I also haven't seen her show a great deal of speed outside of her
flying ability. (again I could be wrong here, but it's my impression)
I've never seen her dodge much of anything. I still think spidey
has the speed advantage.
She has a danger
:sense, just like Spider-Man's. And, if handled properly, he's too
:weak to do much damage to her in a straight-out fistfight.
I agree with that, but he's been clever enough to beat stronger oponents
before.
I'm not
:saying he couldn't beat her -- Spidey is a great situational tactician
:after all. But I wouldn't call it a clear thing on either side, and
:as for a general weighing comparison of abilities, I'd be forced to
:tip the scale to Rogue.
On pure physical ability, I guess I'd have to give her an advantage,
but not a huge one. In terms of fighting tactics, heart, etc., I'd
give it to spidey.
:>Plus, Rogue is often portrayed
:>as being more of a wimp than she was originally written to be.
:
:_That's_ the real reason he'd win.
I'm not entirely sure _why_ she's often portrayed to be wimpy, but
it seems like she is. Supposedly she's this super powerful character,
but she seems to be a liability a lot of the time. I think part of
it is that she has some serious psychological problems, and part of
it is that she believes herself to be truely invulnerable, even though
she's not, and so she throws herself at these mongo-powerful villains,
only to get her butt kicked. Personally, I find her kind of anoying,
so I'm a bit biased towards spidey.
Eric "sick of X characters with accents" Keiter
kei...@percy.engr.wisc.edu
Abhimanyu
Most people seem to ignore the fact the even spider-man has his own form
of healing factor. in many of the comics (eg. the torment series) he
exibits the ablity to fight of poisons and also accelerate his own healing
process. alibet it would not be a agumented as wolvie's healing factor but
it cannot be igorned.
comments?
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Another thing that most people forget abt the wall crawler is that he has
a hell of a lot of resiliance. He actually spent a week trying to crawl
out of the ground when he was buried alive. there so many cases where he
has had to survive great mental turmoil and survive.
I think that that also plays an important in any battle.
no doubt wolive has a tough life too but his is basically physical
torture.
STLAndrew
abuse??? Why can't Spidey do what he did to countless other foest, and
find a way to trap Wolverine, to keep him from moving? Just web him to
the ground, making sure the claws can;t cut the webbing off, and walk
away. Everyone thinks that the only way to beat Wolvie is by punching
him.
Mikko J Särelä
: David R. Henry wrote:
: >
: >
: > >> Spidey vs. Rogue:
: > >> Spidey has gone up against more than his share of flying people
: > >> with super-strength and has won. Rogue's mutant power would be no use
: > >> against a man wearing head-to-toe spandex.
: > >
: >
: > In which case, of course, she just punches him through six buildings.
: > So much for that matchup.
:
: has, he rolled with it to minimize impact. (again, because of his agility)
The problem here for Spider Man is: How is he going to win Rogue?
Now Rogue is almost invulnerable. And she is much stronger than Spider Man
So Rogue would just wear him out and then punch him. Point 2. Rogue has
a seventh sense or sixth or whatever too. This results them with a contest
were the one who can go on longer wins and IMHO that is Rogue
Yours
Mikko
STLAndrew
writes:
>Spidey's too agile to be hit by a punch? Tell that to Venom. He's
>kicked his butt more times than anyone.
The reason Venom landed so many punches in him is beacause Spider-Man's
Spider Sense does not register. Spidey relies on this sense, plus his
agility to dodge attacks. Since his Spider-Sense is disabled, he is at a
severe handicap.
STLAndrew
writes:
>All I know is that you don't mess with 2 people in the Marvel
>Universe. Magneto and Wolverine.
Is that all? Well, I dare you to go insult the Hulk...
A OSHINEYE
>Pagan:God Of Happy Postal Workers wrote:
>>
>> Hey I'm sorry about the healing factor, I didn't remember it until
>> after the post. The fact remains though that Wolvie couldn't ever
>> take on Spidey. Wolverine's strengths have been over done I feel. He
>> can't lift 10 tons(Spiderman) he isn't as fast as Spidy, in fact I
>> can't think of a catagory in which Wolvie is better(includin costume,
>> brains
>
>Being able to solve a chemistry question is *really* no help in a
>fight...and when it comes to "brains" in a fight, Wolvie is much more
>savy and experienced than Peter will ever be. Strength and speed aren't
>everything; you forgot about endurance....sure Spidey is faster and
>stronger at first, but as the fight progresses he would tire and finally
>make a mistake. However, even in a short fight Wolvie would still kick
>ass on Spiderman, IMO, since his training and martial art ability more
>than make for is the weakness in strength and speed (in comparison to
>Spidey).
>
>Rob
Wait a minute, I remember way back in Judgement War (in X-Factor) Spidey and
Wolverine fought twice and both times Spidey was winning till it was stopped.
BTW how old is Wolverine?
--Ade
Eric Goebelbecker
>In article <0lQd_K200...@andrew.cmu.edu>, Joseph Jason Welser <ja...@CMU.EDU> writes:
>|> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks: 15-Apr-96 Re:
>|> Results of Spidey vs. X.. Tim Marg...@iw.net (1902)
>|>
>|>
>|> > His Spider-Sense would tell him who was real. It tells what door to
>|> > pick when a villan loses him, doesn't it?
>|>
>|>
>|> It's not like he'd be able to see more than one Psylocke. Psylocke can
>|> manipulate his mind to make him really think that that the illusion is
>|> real, and often does this (See Uncanny X-Men #257, and many others.)
>|>
>|> Sure, his Spider-Sense might warn him, but so what? If he really
>|> believes that that's the real Psylocke, it won't do him any good....
>
>spidey has fought illusionist before. He would go with SS and not visual sense
>And when has Psylocke ever been able todo this before?
>
There's a difference between an illusionist and a telepath.....a telepath can control
your thoughts, an illusionist only affects your senses.
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Yuri Wuensch
>
>I seem to remember that Spidey pretty much cleaned house on the
>mutants during the Secret Wars. But I think the writer's feelings
>about a character has more to do with the outcome of superhero battles
>than the actual abilities of the combatants.
>
>Bryant
>
Ditto.
Joseph Jason Welser
Results of Spidey vs. X.. Eric Richard Keiter@cae. (2675)
> In article <4kufsn$j...@plains.nodak.edu> dhe...@plains.nodak.edu (David
> R. Henry) writes:
> She doesn't exactly turn on a dime. I've never seen her fly in
> anything other than a straight line, or a curved path with a very
> large radius. If she rams into him at a supersonic speed, he'd
> be hurt, but I think the only time that would happen would be
> if for some reason his spider sense was turned off. Plus, does
> she really fly that fast? I don't recall it ever being stated
> that she can break the sound barrier. (or ever seeing it portrayed)
I personally think this thread is getting a little ridiculous, because
spiderfans will keep arguing for spiderman, and us xfans will keep
arguing for the x-people.
One thing I find ridiculous about the spiderfans arguments is the whole
"Because of his spider-sense, none of the x-men will ever be able to hit
spiderman."
Then why does Spiderman ever get hit by anybody?
<some snips about Spiderman's tactics being better than Rouges>
That Spiderman is a superior tactician is ridiculous. I mentioned
this before, but it obviously fell on deaf ears. Rouge single-handedly
beat Nimrod, probably the best tactician ever encountered. 'Nuff Said
> :>Plus, Rogue is often portrayed
> :>as being more of a wimp than she was originally written to be.
> :
> :_That's_ the real reason he'd win.
> I'm not entirely sure _why_ she's often portrayed to be wimpy, but
> it seems like she is. Supposedly she's this super powerful character,
> but she seems to be a liability a lot of the time. I think part of
> it is that she has some serious psychological problems, and part of
> it is that she believes herself to be truely invulnerable, even though
> she's not, and so she throws herself at these mongo-powerful villains,
> only to get her butt kicked. Personally, I find her kind of anoying,
> so I'm a bit biased towards spidey.
This is a recent phenomenon. Way back when, Rouge was almost as brutal
as Wolverine. I remember in X-Men 211 (I think that's the right number)
after Colossus kills Riptide, Rouge makes a comment like "Peter
shouldn't hav ta do the killin', That's Wolvie's or mah job....
I think Rouge's in one of her "origin" periods, and they're playing her
out to be an emotional weakling, etc. This should, and will, end, and,
hopefully, we'll get the old Rouge back.
Jay
(Wondering why I'm taking this stuff so seriously, when I have a
Master's Thesis to finish.....)
Brian Alan Smith
> I seem to remember that Spidey pretty much cleaned house on the
> mutants during the Secret Wars. But I think the writer's feelings
> about a character has more to do with the outcome of superhero battles
> than the actual abilities of the combatants.
This is very, very true. Remember, this was the same series that
also had the *Wasp* beating, not only the same X-Men that Spider-Man beat,
but Magneto, as well.
So, let's see: in that series, Wasp beats Magneto and the X-Men
(granted, Xavier was restraining everybody). Spider-Man beats the X-Men, and
loses to Magneto. Wasp loses to the Wrecking Crew (who're on a big doohickey
with a stasis ray). Nothing here really makes much sense, except all of
those battles moved the plot forwards somehow. Granted, it was all the "lost
Wasp" plot, but still...
Brian Smith
no relation to Bryant Smith
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Laughing Tiger
> I seem to remember that Spidey pretty much cleaned house on the
> mutants during the Secret Wars.
I believe Spidey escaped from the Xmen. He was not trying to
fight the Xmen, just to get away from them. No one was knocked
out or subdued. Some Xmen were tied up by Spidey's webs, but
not to the point were they couldn't free themselves quickly.
--
Laughing Tiger (who is probably losing coolness points for continuing
to contribute to these kinds of threads.)
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beas...@ic3.ithaca.edu
equal fan of both groups, but using the Official Guide to the Marvel
Universe as a so-called "referee" in this matter would clear things up
considerably.
Marvel Universe(at least the one published in the mid-80's) lists
Spider-Man as being able to lift 10 ten tons and possibly more under
optimal conditions.
Wolverine is only developed to the point of human perfection(like Captain
America) and can therefore only lift 800 pounds maximum.
Spider-Man is incredibly fast and agile, while Wolvie's speed is
considerable, he could never avoid a barrage of machine-gun bullets like
Spidey can.
If Spidey was angry enough, one seriously hard punch could rip the flesh
off of Wolverine's head. And now that he has no Adamantium, Spidey could
literally knock his head OFF with one good jab. Remember, Spidey can
press 10 TONS(20,000 pounds)!!!!! The force of his blows have to be taken
into consideration.
Spider-Man's main weakness is his "nice-guy" attitude. Wolverine has shown
on numerous occasions that he has no problem with killing someone. Spidey
won't kill anybody.
And in the SPIDER-MAN vs. WOLLVERINE one-shot, it was Spidey's aversion
to battling Wolverine that stymied his battle instincts. He did not want
Wolverine to kill Charlie, while not understanding the truth of the
situation. Spidey saw himself as protecting life, not using that as an
excuse to battle Wolvie. A better example of Spidey's fighting skills
would be in Secret Wars #3 when Spidey whipped the whole team!
And in Secret Wars, Spidey trashed Titania too!!!
Spidey has defeated as great deal of super-powered opponents who he
should not have beaten. Firelord for example.
Give Spidey some respect! He damn sure deserves it!!!!
Kristina Sennvik
>It's called Speed! Spidey has it Wolvie dosn't.
That explains a few things.
Tina
Brucha S. Meyers
> The Man with the Golden Gun <CLOV...@indiana.edu> writes:
> >Matt Linton <jar...@umich.edu> wrote:
> >>If you read Uncanny X-Men 201, Cyclops was beaten by an unpowered
> >>Storm, and I'm sure Spidey could take out Storm without her powers.
> >
> >And did you read why this happened? It's explained later on.
> >
> >-Scaramanga, also longing for the Claremont days, or at least the days
> >the teams had personalities.
Don't we all? 'Course, you read Excalibur. Not *quite* as good as an
(old-style) Claremont fix, but plenty of personality. :)
> Nononono. No. Don't drag that Madelyne retcon out on me. Stormy
> slapped Scott on his ass all on her own. It's a crock of hooey to say
> Madelyne manifested Goblin Queen powers in UXM 201, when she didn't
> actually become Goblin Queen for another 38 issues.
Wasn't Goblin Queen powers, was *Phoenix* powers. There's a difference.
> - Vermilion, who knows hooey when he steps in it.
Sounds messy. :)
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>
> wolive has a tough life too but his is basically physical
> torture.
>
Hello?!?! Do you even read Wolverine/X-men...I can't name a single
superhero who's had head messed with as much as Wolverine had (ie.,
Weapon X program). Physical, mental, or emotional torture (He killed
Mariko to save her some pain when she was dying) have all been served to
him, and he has survived each time.
Rob
Vader
>
> Vermilion (verm...@aint.tellin.you) wrote:
> > The Man with the Golden Gun <CLOV...@indiana.edu> writes:
> > >Matt Linton <jar...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> > >>If you read Uncanny X-Men 201, Cyclops was beaten by an unpowered
> > >>Storm, and I'm sure Spidey could take out Storm without her powers.
> > >
> > >And did you read why this happened? It's explained later on.
> > >
> > slapped Scott on his ass all on her own. It's a crock of hooey to say
> > Madelyne manifested Goblin Queen powers in UXM 201, when she didn't
> > actually become Goblin Queen for another 38 issues.
>
> Wasn't Goblin Queen powers, was *Phoenix* powers. There's a difference.
>
I concur with....whoever said "nononono." Madelyn may have added a
slight advantage to Storm in that infamous duel. But give her some
credit. She devised the strategy. She hinted to Sam to set the danger
room so that she could have a stealthlike advantage. She stayed out of
harm's way long enough to befuddle Cyke. And SHE grabbed Scott's visor
rendering him helpless. Madelyne may have helped make it easier to
confuse Scott, but there is no way any self-respecting
mutie...er..mutant should lose to a human, unless said human was very
good at what she does. :)
Vader
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from the Abyss...
> >I seem to remember that Spidey pretty much cleaned house on the
> >mutants during the Secret Wars.
actually, all he did was get away from them really quickly, and nail a
couple of them along the way. had he stuck around, he probably would've
gotten nailed.
keep in mind also, it's pretty much established in marvel that whenevre
a single charcter fights a bunch of charcters, they have the (temporary)
advantage of not having to worry about who they hit.
> >But I think the writer's feelings
> >about a character has more to do with the outcome of superhero battles
> >than the actual abilities of the combatants.
bingo!
case in point; wolverine v. lobo *sigh*
keep the faith
Abyss
<s103...@aix2.uottawa.ca>
Vader
>
> In article <317402...@prolog.net>,> > Wolverine is one of the most exagerated charecters ever written.
>
> While this is true, at least he's consistent in his strength.
> Spider-Man, on the other hand, goes from whupping a Herald of Galactus to
> getting wiped on the pavement by an old man with wings. Go figure.
And let's not forget Screech. Screech beat him. I think that was her
same. The one white-faced girl, pseudo wife of Carnage. Spider-Sense,
huh? What happened to that nifty little sense when this femme-loser
was knocking him around?
VAder
Vader
>
> Vader wrote:
> >
> > The Maritimer wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Do you see what I posted first? Spidey's already gone up against super-strong
> > > flying people. Besides, he's too agile to be hit by a punch. And the times he
> > > has, he rolled with it to minimize impact. (again, because of his agility)
> > >
> >
> > Spidey's too agile to be hit by a punch? Tell that to Venom. He's
> > but SERIES of punches.
>
> The main reason Venom constantly beats Peter is that he cancells out his
> spider-sense. It's pretty hard to avoid something if you didn't know it was
> coming, right?
No. I'm talking about battles where the two are going toe to toe. Not
sneak attacks by Venom. A la the Venom vs Spidey where Peter's trying
to rescue his parents. Several times in that ish, Pete says words to
the effect of "this time I'm gonna take Venom down. I'm tired of
losing. This time Venom's gonna feel my wrath." Then he gets some nice
shots in, Venom smiles at him and proceeds to kick his @ss. Toe to
toe. No sucker punches. No sneak attacks. Good old fashioned
buttkicking and Spidey gets wasted. I see no reason why Rogue couldn't
duplicate this.
>
> > Rogue is stronger than Spidey and faster than
> > he is. SPidey has the proportionate speed of a spider. Cool. That's
> > nice. Rogue can travel at supersonic speeds.
>
> And Spidey has avoided things at LIGHT speed. (a.k.a. lasers)
>
> His agility, speed, and spider-sense all combine into a hard-to-beat combination.
> Take away one of them (as in the case with Venom) and Spidey's in trouble. He
> senses something coming, and his agility/speed allows him to avoid it.
Then tell me how the heck he gets hit by almost every villain in the
Marvel Universe.
>
> > The Spandex argument is
> > bordering on ridiculous; how many times have we seen Spidey with a
> > ripped up costume on? They even have an action figure with that torn
> > and tattered costume. Isn't that the whole reason Venom came into
> > existence....that Spidey ripped up his costume? One touch is all it
> > would take. Nighty-Night Spidey.
>
> Meanwhile Rogue would be screaming about "With Great Power Comes Great
> Responsibity", be climbing walls, and develop strong feelings for MJ.
>
> Y'know, this could be interesting :)
>
> Please excuse my R-rated thoughts.
>
> The Maritimer
You, sir, are a nut. :] I mean that in the nicest possible way,
however.
Vader
Vader
>
> In article <317402...@prolog.net> "Pagan:God Of Ballon Animals" <DN...@prolog.net> writes:
> >From: "Pagan:God Of Ballon Animals" <DN...@prolog.net>
> >Subject: Re: Spidey vs. Wolverine
> >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:28:09 -0400
>
> >It's called Speed! Spidey has it Wolvie dosn't.
>
> I shudder to once again get involved in an X[man] vrs. Y thread, but your
> statement is completely incorrect. Wolverine has enough speed to cut a
> rocket propelled dart out of the air (Warhawk, X-Men #108[?]) dodge bullets,
> and other such nonsense. If you insist on a Spiderman comparison, in the
> Spiderman vrs. Wolverine book of the brown costumed Wolverine era,
> Peter Parker is in awe of Wolverine's speed. Paraphrased, his internal
> dialogue is something like this:
>
> "God, he's fast!"
> "Faster than me?" *with fear*
> "N . . . nobody's faster than me!"
>
> The indication throughout that fight is that Spiderman IS faster than
> Wolverine, but Logan's speed is at a level sufficient to push Peter
> very hard, to his limits. In short, Peter was impressed by his speed.
>
> Keep in mind that Logan's healing factor will remove fatigue toxins from
> his system and keep him fresh. That means his muscles will not suffer
> from carbon buildup and tire out the way other hero's will. After ten minutes
> of duking it out, Wolverine will still be as fast and relatively fresh as he
> was at the start of the fight, while most other heroes will be sucking wind.
>
> Now to the personal opinion portion of this post. The winner of any comic
> book fight depends on the writer. I think, however, the winner would depend
> on the amount of open ground available. If Spidey can keep his distance, he
> could probably wear Logan down in the long run. If he gets cornered . . . how
> do you like your beef sliced?
>
> J. Simon
That basically sums it up. But let's talk Carnage-a number have people
have unfairly compared Logan to that Psycho-loser. When Carnage is
fighting, he swings, wildly and with insane abandon. True, Wolvy goes
into those Berzerker rages as well, but if they fail he snaps back and
adapts a more controlled style. Samarai, Hand, Ninja...whatever. The
point is, Spidey has to eventually come to Logan, and that's when he's
the most deadly. He knows just how to strike, just where to do the
most damage. How to draw the most blood. Where the vital organs are.
When he's trying to kill someone (and in all likelihood he would be
fighting to kill as he's not in the best of moods now), his efficiency
is deadly.
It may take a good long while, but sooner or later Spidey will have to
think of his unborn child and make a strategic retreat or make sure
the life insurance is paid off. Wolvie is no Puma, no Jackal, not even
a Sabertooth. He is quite simply the best there is at what he does.
Period. And while Spidey is thinking about dear ole uncle ben, aunt
may, great power and responsibility on whether to match Logan's
ferocity or not; Wolvie is thinking about whether or not
Spider-shishkabob really tastes like chicken.
Peace,
Marlon D. Shows
|> In article <4kv25q$8...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, sh...@athena.mit.edu (Marlon D. Shows) writes:
|> >In article <0lQd_K200...@andrew.cmu.edu>, Joseph Jason Welser <ja...@CMU.EDU> writes:
|> >|> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.marvel.xbooks: 15-Apr-96 Re:
|> >|> Results of Spidey vs. X.. Tim Marg...@iw.net (1902)
|> >|>
|> >|>
|> >|> > His Spider-Sense would tell him who was real. It tells what door to
|> >|> > pick when a villan loses him, doesn't it?
|> >|>
|> >|>
|> >|> It's not like he'd be able to see more than one Psylocke. Psylocke can
|> >|> manipulate his mind to make him really think that that the illusion is
|> >|> real, and often does this (See Uncanny X-Men #257, and many others.)
|> >|>
|> >|> Sure, his Spider-Sense might warn him, but so what? If he really
|> >|> believes that that's the real Psylocke, it won't do him any good....
|> >
|> >spidey has fought illusionist before. He would go with SS and not visual sense
|> >And when has Psylocke ever been able todo this before?
|> >
|>
|> There's a difference between an illusionist and a telepath.....a telepath can control
|> your thoughts, an illusionist only affects your senses.
When has Psyloche had mind control over her opponent? If this is the case,
how come she didn't use this power against Sabretooth? (who Spidey smacked around)
Come one, Psy is no match.
STLAndrew
lync...@umich.edu (Michael Patrick Lynch) writes:
>Spiderman beats the entire X-man in secret wars, again get real.
Well, Spidey didn't really beat the X-Team. He was just keeping them
distracted while he tried to get away. Spidey could do that easily.
Sean
>
> I completely forgot about that! (Her 7th, or 6th, or 23rd sense whatever)
>
> I've been reading X-Men for 2-3 years now, but I don't remember at any time the
> writers making a point of Rogue's sixth sense. Does anyone remember an issue
> when they made an actual point of it?
Yep.
During the Mutant Massacre.
I know that's about a billion issues ago,
but that's the last time I recall any of
the X-Writers remembering one of their
characters powers.
Sean - Grumble, rant, etc.
Vader
>
> When has Psyloche had mind control over her opponent? If this is the case,
> how come she didn't use this power against Sabretooth? (who Spidey smacked around)
>
> Come one, Psy is no match.
You're saying Psylocke, a TELEPATH, can not use mind control over her
opponent?! Try again. The reason why she couldn't use this tactic on
Sabertooth, is because certain synapses in his brain were screwed by
Logan who shoved a claw through his brain. Since then Sabes has
enjoyed a certain amount of limited immunity from Psi attacks, not
only from Psylocke but from Prof. X himself.
Spidey, on the other hand versus any telepath would be extremely
vulnerable especially since his mind is all screwed up already. Just
look at how Traveler is toying with him. Betsy, Jean, and now even
Xavier can be much more ruthless.