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worst writer/artist teamup you can think of

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Galactus

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Apr 6, 2004, 10:08:47 PM4/6/04
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The worst I can think of is a Chuck Austen/Rob Liefeld Nightcrawler & Cable
Crossover. Both Kurt and Nathan have a very strange past(though I think
Nathan past is not made by liefeld) and imagine what Austen/Liefeld would
do to go deep in their histories. hehe

What do you people think?

ChuckLesnar420

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Apr 7, 2004, 5:19:38 AM4/7/04
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"Galactus" <seet...@you.com> wrote in message
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I dont quite get why so many people dislike (even hate) liefields work. i
have a few of his old Xforce, some deadpool and a couple wolverines, and i
think his art is quite good. How come so many dont like it?


Galactus

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Apr 7, 2004, 8:00:36 AM4/7/04
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> I dont quite get why so many people dislike (even hate) liefields
> work. i have a few of his old Xforce, some deadpool and a couple
> wolverines, and i think his art is quite good. How come so many dont
> like it?

First, everyone has the same facial features. In the beginning of Cable #
75, both James Proudstar and Cannonball looked alike. He also draws very
few panels, sometimes make a book have a 2 page splash arts. Also, the
people he draws look constipated almost all the time. Besides from the
art, he seems fixated in ripping off from others. One example I think of
is the highlander/external thing.

Mike Milley

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Apr 7, 2004, 8:47:14 AM4/7/04
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"Galactus" <seet...@you.com> wrote in message
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And the same hair, the whole floppy-parted-in-the-middle thing...like all
the characters on X-Men: Evolution! It's annoying.


Dave Menard

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Apr 7, 2004, 10:07:08 AM4/7/04
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"Mike Milley" <woofh...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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I would add that he has no concept of perspective, anatomy, fabric drapery,
composition... on a technical level, he's really a very poor illustrator.
Plus, everyone he draws is just plain butt-ugly.

Dave


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Paul O'Brien

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Apr 7, 2004, 12:02:08 PM4/7/04
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In message <BIPcc.32218$Id.1...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>,
ChuckLesnar420 <dudeski_...@SPONAMhotmail.com> writes

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>I dont quite get why so many people dislike (even hate) liefields work.
>i have a few of his old Xforce, some deadpool and a couple wolverines,
>and i think his art is quite good. How come so many dont like it?

He's incredibly limited. He does reasonably good action shots (though
they don't flow from panel to panel), but his grasp of facial expression
and body language is almost non-existent. Liefeld characters tend to
adopt certain stock poses which don't convey how they're feeling at all.
This isn't a problem as long you stick solely to drawing meaningless
fight scenes - but even Liefeld aspires to more than that, and he can't
handle it.

His writing is ropey at best (though in fairness he often has good ideas
and fails at the stage of trying to write a plot around them). He's
very repetitive in several respects. He recycles character designs and
costume motifs, his range of poses is very limited, and he has a
tendency to try and liven up talky scenes with rather soulless panels
looking down diagonally from above, in which you can almost guarantee
that everything in the room will be laid out at right angles in order to
make the perspective easier to work out.

Basically, he's an extremely limited artist who flounders very obviously
once he gets out of his areas of strength - and those areas aren't wide
enough to make for an entertaining series on their own.

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Paul O'Brien

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Bonehammer

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Apr 7, 2004, 1:24:32 PM4/7/04
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Galactus <seet...@you.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94C3E131F781...@65.32.1.6>...

I don't think you can get even close to THAT bad... but here's my
attempt:

Terry Kavanagh and anyone else. Man, those stories were going
NOwhere... I picture the penciler falling asleep at the board.
Fiona Avery and Arthur Ransom. The words 'gritty fluff' come to mind.
John Byrne penciling his own plots, filling in the blanks into
Wolverine's past.
Howard Mackie and Klaus Janson writing a solo Gambit story (wait...
that actually happened!)

Ciao
Bonehammer

Slay

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Apr 7, 2004, 10:11:27 PM4/7/04
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"ChuckLesnar420" <dudeski_...@SPONAMhotmail.com> wrote in
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> I dont quite get why so many people dislike (even hate) liefields work. i
> have a few of his old Xforce, some deadpool and a couple wolverines, and i
> think his art is quite good. How come so many dont like it?

Because it sucks. It looks like an attempt to draw high-quality realistic art
like Art Adams' style, but it fails because it's inconsistent and lacks
spatial coherence. People aren't the same shape from panel to panel, and
sometimes they even change clothes. Other times objects change size or
objects or people are sized impossibly, so (as in one example I saw on the
Web) a character's feet would have to be deep inside the floor for them to be
standing where they are.

There's also his occasional lack of understanding of perspective, the
painfully constipated faces, the ridiculous mountains of neck features, the
oddly behaved fabrics, the tiny feet, etc etc. It would be different if he
were doing these things deliberately as a parody art style, but he's not.

IMO Liefeld is one of the worst artists ever to disgrace an X-book.
Definitely not worth a single word of the hype that accompanied his first
appearance.

The Babaloughesian

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Apr 8, 2004, 5:54:05 AM4/8/04
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"Galactus" <seet...@you.com> wrote in message
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Chris Claremont/Igor Kordey.


Menshevik

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Apr 9, 2004, 4:11:31 AM4/9/04
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Grant Morrison & Liefeld.

Menshevik

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Apr 9, 2004, 4:12:10 AM4/9/04
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Or, on a more serious level, Mackie & Liefeld.
"Who wants to read something about this subject will find it in a book, the
title of which I've forgotten. But it's the 42nd chapter."
Professor Johann Georg August Galletti (1750-1828)

Galactus

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Apr 9, 2004, 6:58:45 AM4/9/04
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mens...@aol.com (Menshevik) wrote in
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I think that team up is worse than the one I proposed earlier.

Scott Summerton

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Apr 12, 2004, 1:19:12 AM4/12/04
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Chuck Austen & Rob Liefeld instantly springs to mind.

Scott Summmerton


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