Hello!
Rod M. Leeson
Hi, my names Rod.
It has taken me ages to find this newsgroup and i'd just like to say hello.
I'm from Manchester, England and like most of the Marvel titles, but abhore
the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live Marvel, and
pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
dats...@aol.com
Rod wrote:
>Hi, my names Rod.
Hi, Rod! Welcome to racmx!
>It has taken me ages to find this newsgroup and i'd just like to say
hello.
>I'm from Manchester, England and like most of the Marvel titles, but
>abhore the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live
>Marvel, and pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
What did you think of Pryde & Wisdom, or the Further Adventures of
Cyclops and Phoenix? I'll agree that the Magneto mini was pretty dire.
So, do you collect, then, and if so what?
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Jeramy D. Skidmore
- Rod M. Leeson wrote:
>
> Hi, my names Rod.
- Hi Rod I'm Jeramy .
>
> It has taken me ages to find this newsgroup and i'd just like to say hello.
- Mee too.
>
> I'm from Manchester, England and like most of the Marvel titles, but abhore
> the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live Marvel, and
> pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
- Mee too except I'm from Dallas TX. I have the new Magneto series hanging on my wall of shame (inside my closet door) dedicated to the absolutely ugliest comic books in history.
- Do people in England get their comic books the same day we do or do you have to wait?
- Do you know any writers? (serious ones, who don't play dungeons and dragons, not that I don't like the game, or the people who play it, I've just had to draw too damn many silly assed d&d campaigns that pass themselves off for a story) I am an artist (I even get paid for it) and am looking to hook up with a good story.
- Anyway, nice meeting you dude, and a smaller Marvel means less shitty artwork I hope.
Jeramy- jer...@tdiart.com
Paul O'Brien
"Jeramy D. Skidmore" <jer...@tdiart.com> writes:
>Do people in England get their comic books the same day we do or do you
>have to wait?
Normally, we get them the next day. This week's consignment,
however, will becoming in "when the distributors get around to
it" - Monday at the earliest, even though EVERY other publisher
had this week's comics here last Thursday. Heroes World continue
to stagger me with their incompetence.
Paul O'Brien
The Onslaught Index - http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/index/
Irony is dead. How appropriate.
Charlie Ball
In article <01bbf854$ca97ade0$e53b...@rod.leeson>,
"Rod M. Leeson" <rod.l...@virgin.net> writes:
>Hi, my names Rod.
>
>It has taken me ages to find this newsgroup and i'd just like to say hello.
>
>the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live Marvel, and
>pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
Excellent. Another Northerner, and therefore hopefully another bastion
of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
No offense, obviously.
Charlie
Lord of deXness
In article <5ar8k6$3...@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right, go cry in yer pint,
ya big Citizen-Of-A-Former-Imperialist-Nation! And if you don't see the
connection between the Revolutionary War and taste in comic books, well,
that just proves my point! We rule! Three cheers for us! Wahoo!
>No offense, obviously.
>
Obviously.
deX!
James Puzzo
<NOTE: below is some VERY stupid JUNK which should be ignored by anyone
easily turned by the idiotic...>
Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: In article <5ar8k6$3...@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
: Charlie Ball <ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
: >
: >Excellent. Another Northerner, and therefore hopefully another bastion
: >of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
:
: Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
: Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War!
Ooh, ouch. You actually _believe_ that crock? Sheesh. It's amazing how
totally blind so many of us are. They let us _think_ that we won,
to gain even more control. Even now, those blasted redcoats are everywhere,
exerting their insidious influence. They run the CIA, didn't you know?
How else do you figure that the government would fund the "HOUND" project?
Americans are too stupid to be that organized in their plotting. I'm pretty
sure that the new BoM is just an arm of Britain's security forces...
how cruel... Havok is the TRUE traitor... and people thought Benedict Arnold
was bad... RED HERRING! They set him up for a fall to provide us with a
false sense of security so they could cleverly scheme for over two centuries,
lulling us into a false sense of security before their STRIKE. Be afraid.
Be very afraid. They never should have let Jono in. Dear God, what have
they done!!!
: We rule! Three cheers for us! Wahoo!
I'm So sorry.
: >No offense, obviously.
: Obviously.
No sense, obviously.
-spongy
P.S. Bastion is the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Be aware.
P.P.S. If I mention comic characters, does it count as on topic? :)
Ian Foster
James Puzzo (jam...@dgii.com) wrote:
: : Charlie Ball <ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
: : >
: : >Excellent. Another Northerner, and therefore hopefully another bastion
: : >of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
Hmm. Could this be the start of the first international Geography War?
: P.S. Bastion is the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Be aware.
Well that explains the tory attitude towards the EU...
Phil - neither a northerner nor a southerner. Midlands country boy through
and through. Ooo Aar.
Charlie Ball
In article <5armr9$7...@decaxp.harvard.edu>,
djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) writes:
>In article <5ar8k6$3...@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
>Charlie Ball <ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>> "Rod M. Leeson" <rod.l...@virgin.net> writes:
>>>
>>>I'm from Manchester, England and like most of the Marvel titles, but abhore
>>>the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live Marvel, and
>>>pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
>>
>>of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
>>
>
>ya big Citizen-Of-A-Former-Imperialist-Nation! And if you don't see the
>connection between the Revolutionary War and taste in comic books, well,
We let you. You were much too dull, and more crucially, you've never understood
cricket properly. There was no point keeping hold of the US any longer.
And at least we didn't lose a war against Vietnam. No, Egypt is the crappest
country *we've* been humiliated by.
>>No offense, obviously.
>>
>
>Obviously.
None taken.
Charlie
Charlie Ball
In article <5atbkp$j...@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>,
ia...@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Ian Foster) writes:
>James Puzzo (jam...@dgii.com) wrote:
>
>: : Charlie Ball <ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>: : >
>: : >of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
>
No, we had the definitive version a while ago, and I withered in the face
of multiple American assertions that the US was, indeed, much crapper than
the UK. Work out who you felt won that one.
Charlie
Paul O'Brien
ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Charlie Ball) writes:
>We let you. You were much too dull, and more crucially, you've never understood
>cricket properly. There was no point keeping hold of the US any longer.
Does that mean Scotland can have independence too?
Lord of deXness
In article <5arrah$r...@gw0.dgii.com>, James Puzzo <jam...@dgii.com> wrote:
>
>
>
><NOTE: below is some VERY stupid JUNK which should be ignored by anyone
> easily turned by the idiotic...>
>
That's putting it mildy.
>
>
>
>Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
>: In article <5ar8k6$3...@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
>: Charlie Ball <ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>: >
>: >Excellent. Another Northerner, and therefore hopefully another bastion
>: >of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
>:
>: Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>: Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War!
>
>Ooh, ouch. You actually _believe_ that crock? Sheesh. It's amazing how
>totally blind so many of us are. They let us _think_ that we won,
>to gain even more control. Even now, those blasted redcoats are everywhere,
>exerting their insidious influence. They run the CIA, didn't you know?
>How else do you figure that the government would fund the "HOUND" project?
>Americans are too stupid to be that organized in their plotting. I'm pretty
>sure that the new BoM is just an arm of Britain's security forces...
>how cruel... Havok is the TRUE traitor... and people thought Benedict Arnold
>was bad... RED HERRING! They set him up for a fall to provide us with a
>false sense of security so they could cleverly scheme for over two centuries,
>lulling us into a false sense of security before their STRIKE. Be afraid.
>Be very afraid. They never should have let Jono in. Dear God, what have
>they done!!!
>
There's one thing you didn't consider: THE USA KICKS BUTT!
Let 'em scheme for centuries! We'll still come out on top 'cuz we're the
cream of the crop, baby! Grade A beef!
Jono is a sleeper agent? Try frightened little boy when Skin and Husk
whip out their Uzis! The only thing Britain would have on us in a mutant
war would be Excalibur, and guess what? KITTY PRYDE, DOUBLE AGENT
EXTRAORDINAIRE!
10 minute fight, tops. Sit down, son.
>
>: >No offense, obviously.
>: Obviously.
>
>No sense, obviously.
>
In no sense? Nonsense!
>
>
>P.S. Bastion is the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Be aware.
>
So, the US wins by default.
>P.P.S. If I mention comic characters, does it count as on topic? :)
>
Only if you talk about their sex lives. :)
deX!
Lord of deXness
In article <5atr28$m...@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
Charlie Ball <ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <5armr9$7...@decaxp.harvard.edu>,
> djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) writes:
>>> "Rod M. Leeson" <rod.l...@virgin.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>I'm from Manchester, England and like most of the Marvel titles, but abhore
>>>>the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live Marvel, and
>>>>pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
>>>
>>>of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
>>>
>>
>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>>ya big Citizen-Of-A-Former-Imperialist-Nation! And if you don't see the
>>connection between the Revolutionary War and taste in comic books, well,
>>that just proves my point! We rule! Three cheers for us! Wahoo!
>
>cricket properly. There was no point keeping hold of the US any longer.
>
Hey, we understand cricket. Cricket is a silly game that the British
invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
The only good thing to come out of Britain is Doc Martens shoes. And 80s
post-punk music. And Pink Floyd. And breakbeat techno. And Irvine
Welsh. And a bunch of other stuff. Other than that, the US rules!!!!
>And at least we didn't lose a war against Vietnam. No, Egypt is the crappest
>country *we've* been humiliated by.
>
We didn't lose the Vietnam War! We lost the Vietnam Military Action! Get
yer facts straight, d00d!
>>>No offense, obviously.
>>>
>>
>>Obviously.
>
>None taken.
>
Me either. I'm having too much fun.
Allan J. Benson
Paul O'Brien (pr...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk) writes:
> ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Charlie Ball) writes:
>
>>We let you. You were much too dull, and more crucially, you've never understood
>>cricket properly. There was no point keeping hold of the US any longer.
>
> Does that mean Scotland can have independence too?
Why not? Canada got it... kinda. :-)
--
Allan Benson, the Heartbreak Kid.
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Katharine Weizel
>>>> "Rod M. Leeson" <rod.l...@virgin.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm from Manchester, England and like most of the Marvel titles, but abhore
>>>>>the recent mini-series, especially the Magneto one. Long live Marvel, and
>>>>>pray for the day when a good mini-series is released.
>>>>
>>>>Excellent. Another Northerner, and therefore hopefully another bastion
>>>>of taste and decency in this howling void of Americans.
>>>
>>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>>>Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right, go cry in yer pint,
>>
>>cricket properly. There was no point keeping hold of the US any longer.
>
>invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
>than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
>heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Geography Wars round 17. -sigh-
>The only good thing to come out of Britain is Doc Martens shoes. And 80s
>post-punk music. And Pink Floyd. And breakbeat techno. And Irvine
>Welsh. And a bunch of other stuff. Other than that, the US rules!!!!
(note: The following is not a FAQ-keeper endorsed statement:
AMEN!
we now return you to faq-keeper status mode. BrEEEEEerp!)
>Me either. I'm having too much fun.
Pardon me while I use my official capacity to retitle this thread, proclaim
it off-topic, and run away.
kate.
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Andrew Wheeler
Lord of deXness wrote:
> Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
> Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War!
Well that depends how you look at it. You ended up with America, we
didn't. Looks to me like *we* came out on top in that deal.
ObX: We'll end up conquering the US again anyway, for our sins, because
all the best villains are English (as in Sinister). Or have English
accents (cf: Shere Khan, every bad guy in the first season of Babylon 5,
etc).
Andrew Wheeler - Classy smooth Machiavellian Englishman who drinks tea,
watches cricket and is personal friends with the Queen.
====== The X-Writers Universe: Returning January 17th 1997 ======
Ian Foster
WooHOO! I'm in my first Geography war! Do I get a prize or something?!
Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: In article <5arrah$r...@gw0.dgii.com>, James Puzzo <jam...@dgii.com> wrote:
: ><NOTE: below is some VERY stupid JUNK which should be ignored by anyone
: > easily turned by the idiotic...>
: That's putting it mildy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(Emphasised, in case anyone's daft enough to take this seriously)
: >Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: >: Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
: >: Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War!
: >Be very afraid. They never should have let Jono in. Dear God, what have
: >they done!!!
: There's one thing you didn't consider: THE USA KICKS BUTT!
Fine. Kick dead cigarrete ends all you want.
: Let 'em scheme for centuries! We'll still come out on top 'cuz we're the
: cream of the crop, baby! Grade A beef!
Funny you should mention beef...Wanna try some of ours? *slow wide grin*
: Jono is a sleeper agent? Try frightened little boy when Skin and Husk
: whip out their Uzis!
Ha! He has you fooled, O American! That 'little boy' appearence is as fake
as his accent! And mere Uzis (whipped or not) will avail ye nought once all
our agents are exposed in thine country, waging war with the mighty weapons
such as Correct Spelling, Smoking Trenchcoat Wearing Londoners, and
Incomprehensible Country Accents!!!
: The only thing Britain would have on us in a mutant
: war would be Excalibur, and guess what? KITTY PRYDE, DOUBLE AGENT
: EXTRAORDINAIRE!
: 10 minute fight, tops. Sit down, son.
You kidding? The minute things get rough, we'll just set the Royal Family
on you.
: >: >No offense, obviously.
: >: Obviously.
: >No sense, obviously.
: In no sense? Nonsense!
But is there any sense in that?
: >P.S. Bastion is the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Be aware.
P.P.S Foxbat just moved into the Whitehouse.
: deX!
Phil - who goes to pubs that are older than the U.S.A...
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Stewart White
: >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
: >>
Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time- About the time that you were so
gloriously fighting for your freedom Britian was facing another threat...
slightly more threatening then a bunch of colonials... short guy on a
horse... funny hat... married to Josephine?? Ring any bells?? didn't
think so... defecient American-centric history taught in your schools and
everything... The threat was Napoleon. Now... try and follow me... with
the difficulties of fighting wars on two fronts the Brits focused their
attention on the real threat- France and only put forth a token showing
against the colonials. Also the colonials needed FRENCH assistance to win
the war relying heavily upon Lafeyette (sp?) in the closing days of the
war.. not to mention a whole bunch of german mercenaries....
Also.. what is the big deal about winning a war for freedom anyway. We
simply waited 91 years until we reached a diplomatic solution (a great
big no-prize if you name the country to which I refer :) I'd say avoiding
bloodshed shows a lot more talent then calling in the French and Germans
to do yer fighting for you.
: >Hey, we understand cricket. Cricket is a silly game that the British
: >invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
: >than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
: >heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
No... you don't (neither do we but at least we admit it...) If you did
you'd be winning matches instead of those indian ocean types.
-Stew
Blackjack
ste...@uoguelph.ca (Stewart White) wrote:
>: >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>: >>>Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right, go cry in yer pint,
>: >>
>Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time- About the time that you were so
>gloriously fighting for your freedom Britian was facing another threat...
>slightly more threatening then a bunch of colonials... short guy on a
>horse... funny hat... married to Josephine?? Ring any bells?? didn't
>think so... defecient American-centric history taught in your schools and
>everything... The threat was Napoleon. Now... try and follow me... with
>the difficulties of fighting wars on two fronts the Brits focused their
>attention on the real threat- France and only put forth a token showing
>against the colonials. Also the colonials needed FRENCH assistance to win
>the war relying heavily upon Lafeyette (sp?) in the closing days of the
>war.. not to mention a whole bunch of german mercenaries....
Well, you guys used German mercenaries too.
Anyway, Napoleon wasn't much of a threat in 1776. That was before the
FRENCH revolution, before the Republic and certainly before the
Empire.
Now in the war of 1812, you guys were in tre process of giving us a
thruough trouncing (burned Washington DC and all) before getting
distracted by the short French genteman.
>Also.. what is the big deal about winning a war for freedom anyway. We
>simply waited 91 years until we reached a diplomatic solution (a great
>big no-prize if you name the country to which I refer :) I'd say avoiding
>bloodshed shows a lot more talent then calling in the French and Germans
>to do yer fighting for you.
Yeah, but we don't have to have that ugly inbred chick on our money...
Not that I care. All you white men look the same to me.
>No... you don't (neither do we but at least we admit it...) If you did
>you'd be winning matches instead of those indian ocean types.
I respect cricket as a game that can take days to finish. But I
refuse to engage in any sport that can be played in a sweater.
Blackjack
Elizabeth Celeste
)On 10 Jan 1997, Stewart White wrote:
> : >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy
> : >>>English-Type Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right,
> : >>>go cry in yer pint,
point of clarification, we, the United States did wwin, THe Revolutionary
war from 1776-178, the war of 1812, and we saved the Brits in both the
First and Second World Wars.
However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge, the entire concpt of
Scottish Food, and Oasis.
> Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time- About the time that you were so
> gloriously fighting for your freedom Britian was facing another threat...
> slightly more threatening then a bunch of colonials... short guy on a
> horse... funny hat... married to Josephine?? Ring any bells?? didn't
Wrong war. The 13 American colonies had effective independence well
before the French Revolution. The Napoleanic Wars, from roughly 1795/6/7
to 1815 were actually after. Much after. We inspired part of hte French
Revolution after all.
The Brittish may have pressed for peace due to Napolean, but it was the
wrong war.
> think so... defecient American-centric history taught in your schools and
> everything... The threat was Napoleon. Now... try and follow me... with
Actually, I'm currently doing a hapsburg Centric Unit. Anyway.....
> the difficulties of fighting wars on two fronts the Brits focused their
> attention on the real threat- France and only put forth a token showing
> against the colonials. Also the colonials needed FRENCH assistance to win
> the war relying heavily upon Lafeyette (sp?) in the closing days of the
> war.. not to mention a whole bunch of german mercenaries....
Nothing wrong with hiring German Mercenaries. They were the best of the
time period, and hte American popluation was not high enough to truly
field a big ass army. Nothing Wrong wiht enlisting the help of whoever we
needed.
That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
> Also.. what is the big deal about winning a war for freedom anyway. We
> simply waited 91 years until we reached a diplomatic solution (a great
> big no-prize if you name the country to which I refer :) I'd say avoiding
> bloodshed shows a lot more talent then calling in the French and Germans
> to do yer fighting for you.
Ummm, Canada? Lets see, since the turn of the century, the Brits have
lost Africa, India, Asian Pacific territories, any real rights over
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the like.
Leaving a once proud colonial power with, well, Grenada.
We on the other hand, arequtie busy oppressing the the entire world. And
participating in massive Cultural imperalism.
(Baywatch is the Number 1 rated Tv show in hte world.)
Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
one of us.
Lord of deXness
In article <5b4uh7$r...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>,
Stewart White <ste...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>: >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>: >>>Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right, go cry in yer pint,
>
>Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time-
Goodie!
> About the time that you were so
>gloriously fighting for your freedom Britian was facing another threat...
>slightly more threatening then a bunch of colonials... short guy on a
>horse... funny hat... married to Josephine?? Ring any bells?? didn't
>think so... defecient American-centric history taught in your schools and
>everything... The threat was Napoleon. Now... try and follow me... with
>the difficulties of fighting wars on two fronts the Brits focused their
>attention on the real threat- France and only put forth a token showing
>against the colonials. Also the colonials needed FRENCH assistance to win
>the war relying heavily upon Lafeyette (sp?) in the closing days of the
>war.. not to mention a whole bunch of german mercenaries....
>
And we won. In yer FACE!!! WAHOO!!!!
Bottom line, baby! Bottom line! We won we won we won!!! And you can't
even spell Lafayette!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you can _never_ have too many
exclaimatioin points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Also.. what is the big deal about winning a war for freedom anyway. We
>simply waited 91 years until we reached a diplomatic solution (a great
>big no-prize if you name the country to which I refer :) I'd say avoiding
>bloodshed shows a lot more talent then calling in the French and Germans
>to do yer fighting for you.
>
Then obviously you don't understand the genius of delegation. Make others
do the work for you, then take all the credit afterwards. That's what
makes our nation great!!!!!! Also, bloodshed makes you really manly and
is a guaranteed babe magnet! Better than an El Camino!
>: >Hey, we understand cricket. Cricket is a silly game that the British
>: >invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
>: >than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
>: >heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
>
>No... you don't (neither do we but at least we admit it...) If you did
>you'd be winning matches instead of those indian ocean types.
>
We're still trying to figure out soccer. The women have it down cold, but
the men still need a few more lessons. After we get that down, we'll
start working on cricket AND rugby.
deX!
hee hee hee hee hee
Gary Johnson
djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) writes:
>In article <5b4uh7$r...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>,
>Stewart White <ste...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>>: >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>>: >>>Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right, go cry in yer pint,
>>: >>
>>
>>Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time-
<<<big ker-snip!>>>
>>: >Hey, we understand cricket. Cricket is a silly game that the British
>>: >invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
>>: >than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
>>: >heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
Don't forget the West Indies, mate: they're right next to you guys (so to
speak) *and* they're probably the best team in the world. We're just
waiting for them to finish coming back from 2-0 down in a five match
series against us (Australia) for it to be official.
>>
>>No... you don't (neither do we but at least we admit it...) If you did
>>you'd be winning matches instead of those indian ocean types.
>>
England win at cricket? I'd like to see that!
>We're still trying to figure out soccer. The women have it down cold, but
>the men still need a few more lessons. After we get that down, we'll
>start working on cricket AND rugby.
But you've been working on cricket since the 19th Century! Don't you know
about the glorious history of the Philadelphia cricket club? Or that
English cricket teams toured the United States and Canada in the 1950s?
The thing is, you guys think baseball is a great game. Why, the bowler
doesn't even take a run-up! And the batsman can only score in an arc
between cover and mid-wicket! What rot! Only wusses need giant gloves to
catch the ball!
>deX!
>hee hee hee hee hee
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Gary Johnson
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>)On 10 Jan 1997, Stewart White wrote:
>
>> : >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy
>> : >>>English-Type Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right,
>> : >>>go cry in yer pint,
>Scottish Food, and Oasis.
Well, Oasis is hardly a credit to their country. In my mind, Flint
had the right idea in Stormwatch #40 (beam them to Gamorra and sick
Rose Tattoo on them...har). Anyway, they may have the Beatles and
some cheesy knockoffs, but we have Hendrix, the greatest guitarist
ever, and Americans invented jazz, blues, and punk (yes, the Ramones
were first, not the Pistols, and Henry Rollins could whup Johnny
Rotten anyway.)
However, Britain did gift the world with the mighty Warren Ellis,
and so it deserves credit for that.
>> Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time- About the time that you were so
>> gloriously fighting for your freedom Britian was facing another threat...
>> slightly more threatening then a bunch of colonials... short guy on a
>> horse... funny hat... married to Josephine?? Ring any bells?? didn't
>> think so... defecient American-centric history taught in your schools and
Uhm, can you count? You're about, uhhh, twenty years off, give or take.
Napoleon wasn't a big deal until after the Republic, and the French
revolution easily postdated the American.
>> everything... The threat was Napoleon. Now... try and follow me... with
>> the difficulties of fighting wars on two fronts the Brits focused their
>> attention on the real threat- France and only put forth a token showing
No, no, no. At this point, the war between France and Britain was
good and cold, and Napoleon probably wasn't even a junior officer yet.
>> against the colonials. Also the colonials needed FRENCH assistance to win
>> the war relying heavily upon Lafeyette (sp?) in the closing days of the
>> war.. not to mention a whole bunch of german mercenaries....
Whooa, mama. This is so weird I don't even know when to start. Okey-
doke. First, the French played a small part at Yorktown. That's it,
as far as tangible effects. Admittedly, the psychological impact of
their involvement could have been greater, but that's awfully imprecise.
Yorktown is on the wall at Versailles because the French were in dire
need of an ego boost after they lost the French and Indian war. Second,
the Hessians, the German mercs, were on YOUR side. They were hired by
the British because they needed rifle-armed troops to counter the
superior accuracy of American guns. This was the age of the British
Brown Bess smoothbore, in whose honor was coined the phrase, "can't
hit the broad side of a barn." Actually, the Germans ripped the British
off to boot. They sent farmers, recruited from the plow, with second-
rate rifles (we had the best :) that they'd never used before.
>> Also.. what is the big deal about winning a war for freedom anyway. We
>> simply waited 91 years until we reached a diplomatic solution (a great
>> big no-prize if you name the country to which I refer :) I'd say avoiding
>> bloodshed shows a lot more talent then calling in the French and Germans
>> to do yer fighting for you.
Well, first you try to defend your macho by saying that you were busy
fighting Napoleon, and now you say it isn't good to fight at all,
and then you knock our tuffness 'cos we called in the French and
Germans, which we didn't? Find a spot and stick to it.
>Ummm, Canada? Lets see, since the turn of the century, the Brits have
>lost Africa, India, Asian Pacific territories, any real rights over
>Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the like.
>
>Leaving a once proud colonial power with, well, Grenada.
>
>We on the other hand, arequtie busy oppressing the the entire world. And
>participating in massive Cultural imperalism.
>
>(Baywatch is the Number 1 rated Tv show in hte world.)
Well, we really ought not be proud of something like that.
>Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
>Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
>one of us.
David F. Smith. Don't mess with me, man. I'm a history major.
Yes, I know I'm behaving like a twit, but it's fun! I promise
to stop, in a little while.
Kingbob
>I respect cricket as a game that can take days to finish. But I
>refuse to engage in any sport that can be played in a sweater.
>Blackjack
AMEN!!!!! Bra!!!!!!! goddamnGODDAMN
Kingbob the elequint
Lord of deXness
In article <32DB99...@york.ac.uk>,
Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
>
>> point of clarification, we, the United States did wwin, THe Revolutionary
>> war from 1776-178,
>
>
>> the war of 1812,
>
>Wrong. Unless you mean in the same sense that you won the war in Vietnam.
>
Probably the more accurate statement would be that you won the War of 1812
in a manner similar to the way in which we won the Gulf War, but I
digress.
>> and we saved the Brits in both the
>> First and Second World Wars.
>
>You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much.
That's right!!! It's all about capital, baby! That's what makes us
number one! We rule!!!!!!!!
>Point
>of information for you: Britain put in the most effort and the best show
>of any nation in either war, and without us in WWII all would have been
>lost. Without you, well, we'd still have had Russia. No nation was more
>invaluable to victory in that war than our mighty and marvellous nation,
>and no one sacrificed more either. Come to think of it, no one sacrificed
>*less* than the USA. So less of the smarmy "couldn't have won it without
>us" crap, the reverse is also true, indeed the reverse is *more* true.
*blink* whoa
>It's frankly insulting that you can ever believe that without the USA all
>the sacrifices, all the many deaths we suffered fighting a war from
>BEGINNING to END, would have been meaningless, yet that is the
>implication. I therefore ask all educated Americans on this newsgroup to
>refrain from making that patronising and degrading claim ever again. It
>lacks wit, it lacks value, and most of all it lacks truth.
uh hokay.
>Yes I'm over-reacting, bully for me, but it needed saying. Geography Wars
>is one thing, but spitting on the memory and achievements of the valiant
>dead is quite another, and I've had enough of it.
>
Noted and avoided. I will say, though, that if it wasn't for the US, the
movie _1941_ starring John Belushi would never have been made! And that's
_set_ during WWII!!!! Rock da house, Americans!!!
>> However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
>
>She's Australian.
>
Yeah, but we _think_ she's British, so that counts. Dance of victory!!!
High five!!! We rule!
>> That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
>
>We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
>producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
>just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
>rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
>and nothing to watch.
>
Well, we've got several good shows over here: Living Single, ER, Law and
Order, Homicide, The X-Files, Profiler, Mad TV, Frasier, Cybil, Ellen, and
the epitome of trashy TV soap operas, SAVANNAH!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
Peyton for President!!! You go, girl!
>> Ummm, Canada? Lets see, since the turn of the century, the Brits have
>> lost Africa, India, Asian Pacific territories, any real rights over
>> Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the like.
>
>Providing a whole mess of nations with the wherewithal to deal with the
>Twentieth Century. Our flag waving colonialism *acheieved* something for
>the world. Maybe it was originally intended to provide Britain with a
>global resource, but if you look at the early Twentieth Century you'll
>see that changing attitudes in this country provided those countries with
>the help and freedom they desired. The USA, on the other hand, continues
>to display the sort of "white-man" colonialism that we left behind in the
>Nineteenth Century, exploiting the people they control, and doing it so
>dishonestly that they dare not show their flag, instead they wave their
>chequebook.
>
Every joke I've thought of has been offensive in one way or another. This
is the least offensive:
Hence the unofficial slogan of the US: "Don't trust whitey."
> So we're a nice nation, you're a nasty nation.
>
And we're the bast nasty nation there is! Right on!!! Janet Jackson, eat
your heart out!!!!!
>
>You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
>
Nonononono.
We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
Jam _has_ had one good album.)
deX!
Lord of deXness
In article <32D621...@york.ac.uk>,
Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>Lord of deXness wrote:
>
>> Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>> Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War!
>
>didn't. Looks to me like *we* came out on top in that deal.
>
Oh yeah??? Well, we... I mean, we got... umm...
(yikes)
Crime is good for you. It bolsters self-esteem when it happens to someone
else, and when it happens to you, you can get a nice aerobic workout
running from the perpetrator. And where would all of those models be
without smack? I tell ya, every cloud has a silver lining!
Besides, we didn't come up with Oasis. That must be the biggest crime of
the decade.
> ObX: We'll end up conquering the US again anyway, for our sins, because
>all the best villains are English (as in Sinister). Or have English
>accents (cf: Shere Khan, every bad guy in the first season of Babylon 5,
>etc).
>
Why, when I read this at first, did I think that there was a Babylon 5
villian named Shere Khan?
>====== The X-Writers Universe: Returning January 17th 1997 ======
There's a nice early birthday present. Woohoo!
deX!
Ian Foster
>>
>>cricket properly. There was no point keeping hold of the US any longer.
>
>invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
>than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
>heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
We get this from people who have the only 'World Series' that only
includes one country...
Phil - enjoying this thread...
--
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'Moines a point 'o scrumpy!'
The gene pool could use a little
chlorine.
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David Francis Smith
Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
>
>> point of clarification, we, the United States did wwin, THe Revolutionary
>> war from 1776-178,
>
>Granted. You're welcome to it. You. Whatever.
>
>> the war of 1812,
>
>Wrong. Unless you mean in the same sense that you won the war in Vietnam.
Well, that's not exactly a valid comparison. 1812 was won. There were
negative effects (White House reduced to pile of ashes, etc.) but it
was clearly a win for the home team. The British forces left.
Vietnam was lost. The US presence left with no tangible gains and a
helluva lot of losses, and South Vietnam was taken a couple years later
anyway. True, the North Vietnamese and the VC rebels hardly won much
in the way of useful gains, but they showed Nixon and LBJ what fer.
>> and we saved the Brits in both the
>> First and Second World Wars.
>
>You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much.
You're welcome. Enjoy your Big Macs.
Point
>of information for you: Britain put in the most effort and the best show
>of any nation in either war, and without us in WWII all would have been
>lost. Without you, well, we'd still have had Russia. No nation was more
Question for the ages. The Battle of Britain was definitely an all-
British operation, and was of course one of the greatest victories in
history. However, the US led the D-Day invasion, and won the war in
the Pacific. However some more, both of those were with Commonwealth
support (Australian in the case of the Pacific theatre). British
scientists were part of the Manhattan Engineering District too, and I
think the British supplied some of the uranium. Or maybe that was the
Belgians. Anyway, it's an arguable question in my mind, and probably
too loaded with nationalism on either side for very constructive dis-
course.
>invaluable to victory in that war than our mighty and marvellous nation,
>and no one sacrificed more either. Come to think of it, no one sacrificed
Here is where you're wrong. You look at the Russian casualty figures
before you say that again.
>*less* than the USA. So less of the smarmy "couldn't have won it without
>us" crap, the reverse is also true, indeed the reverse is *more* true.
>It's frankly insulting that you can ever believe that without the USA all
Here is where you're right, though perhaps not quite to that degree.
I'm not sure the reverse is more true, but there's a case to be made
for both sides.
>the sacrifices, all the many deaths we suffered fighting a war from
>BEGINNING to END, would have been meaningless, yet that is the
>implication. I therefore ask all educated Americans on this newsgroup to
Well, not quite beginning to end, I don't think. I hope someone will
correct me if I'm wrong, since my gig is medieval Europe, but there
was a big breather between the end of the German invasion efforts and
the invasion of France in 44. But there were also the Italian cam-
paigns, and North Africa maybe...hum. Time for some outside reading.
>refrain from making that patronising and degrading claim ever again. It
>lacks wit, it lacks value, and most of all it lacks truth.
>Yes I'm over-reacting, bully for me, but it needed saying. Geography Wars
>is one thing, but spitting on the memory and achievements of the valiant
>dead is quite another, and I've had enough of it.
Here's that nationalism I was talking about. No, that's not an insult,
but an illustrative comment.
>> However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
>
>She's Australian.
By the way, as a side note, wasn't she one of the winners in the Gen13
lookalike competition? :)
>> That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
>
>We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
>producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
>just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
>rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
>and nothing to watch.
Gotta agree here. American cable TV is nothing to be proud of, except
maybe for the Cartoon Network, and midnight reruns of _Alien_.
>Providing a whole mess of nations with the wherewithal to deal with the
>Twentieth Century. Our flag waving colonialism *acheieved* something for
>the world. Maybe it was originally intended to provide Britain with a
>global resource, but if you look at the early Twentieth Century you'll
>see that changing attitudes in this country provided those countries with
>the help and freedom they desired. The USA, on the other hand, continues
>to display the sort of "white-man" colonialism that we left behind in the
>Nineteenth Century, exploiting the people they control, and doing it so
>dishonestly that they dare not show their flag, instead they wave their
>chequebook.
Hum. Britain's colonialism wasn't that rosy an affair. There were
brutal supression efforts in Thailand in this century, and in ignoring
the nineteenth century you leave out all sorts of nastiness. In
India particularly. Ireland could be argued over for both sides for
a long time, and so I shall forbear, and save us all some grief.
> So we're a nice nation, you're a nasty nation.
No, we're just nations, both of which have their good and bad points.
>> Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
>> Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
>> one of us.
>
>You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
Does that mean you like or dislike Churchill? Myself, I liked Deadpool
2 and disliked Cable. Although I really didn't need to know what color
underwear Siryn favors.
>Andrew Wheeler - Will now calm down.
An example we all ought to follow
David F. Smith, who's faking all of this.
Lord of deXness
In article <5beki3$490$1...@nargun.cc.uq.oz.au>,>>>: >>>Oh, yeah? Well let me tell _you_ a thing or two, Mr. Smarmy English-Type
>>>: >>>Guy! We _won_ the Revolutionary War! That's right, go cry in yer pint,
>>>
>>>Okay moronic Yank. History lesson time-
>
>
What is the sound of one ker snipping?
>>>: >Hey, we understand cricket. Cricket is a silly game that the British
>>>: >invented so that they would have something that they could be better at
>>>: >than anyone else in the rest of the world, a plan which backfired most
>>>: >heinously once people around the Indian Ocean learned the game.
>
>Don't forget the West Indies, mate: they're right next to you guys (so to
>speak) *and* they're probably the best team in the world. We're just
>waiting for them to finish coming back from 2-0 down in a five match
>series against us (Australia) for it to be official.
>
Obviously their proximity to us makes them superior. We give off good
rays, man!
>>We're still trying to figure out soccer. The women have it down cold, but
>>the men still need a few more lessons. After we get that down, we'll
>>start working on cricket AND rugby.
>
>But you've been working on cricket since the 19th Century! Don't you know
>about the glorious history of the Philadelphia cricket club? Or that
>English cricket teams toured the United States and Canada in the 1950s?
>The thing is, you guys think baseball is a great game. Why, the bowler
>doesn't even take a run-up! And the batsman can only score in an arc
>between cover and mid-wicket! What rot! Only wusses need giant gloves to
>catch the ball!
>
Cricket breaks the fundemental rule of all sports:
Participants should be sweating for the duration of the activity.
Busting out into a sweat over pouring another glass of tea doesn't count.
(NOTE: By this rule, golf is also not a sport. However, golf is not as
silly as cricket, so an exception is made in its case.)
The sweaters are also a big minus. Give us some shoulder pads and we'll
meet you head on.
deX!
David Francis Smith
djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) wrote:
>We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
>Jam _has_ had one good album.)
Eck. The US probably has the balance of superior music acts, but Pearl
Jam ain't one of them. The only truly great musician to come out of
my hometown, Seattle WA, is probably the mighty Jimi Hendrix. I put
together a good tally in my last post on this silly thread (for a silly
thread, i'm paying an awful lot of attention to it). Chicago gets
the credit for the blues. New Orleans probably takes the prize for
jazz, though that's definitely arguable all to hell. Punk came straight
out of New York (Ramones Forever!). Again, I don't care what the
Pistols say. Again, Hank Rollins could whup Rotten's fat ass, and
that's the Ghod's truth. In contrast, the UK has the Beatles, probably
the country's biggest credit in terms of success, though I detest
them. First they were too derivative, then they bought into the
sixties too late. There's the Stones, who sold out to Bill Gates of
all people, and therefore deserve slow death. Eric Clapton still
rules, though. The UK's contribution to punk is laughable. There's
the Sex Pistols, the Damned, and the Clash. Then there are so many
bad bands that it's tragic. The Exploited. The Anti-Nowhere League.
Oh, wait, forgot the UK Subs on the first list. Anyway, Black Flag
alone crushes them all, except for maybe the Damned. It'd take the
Dead Kennedys included into the equation to top them.
POINT: Britain may have made a superior showing in both World Wars.
At least WWI. However, we have better bands.
Holy Christ. I spent all this time on _that_? I need to get out
more.
David F. Smith, who promises to leave this thread alone now. Scout's
Honor. Oh, yeah, the UK invented that too. Point for them.
Quiz Question: To decide the match, who was worse: Thatcher or Reagan?
Andrew Wheeler
Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
> point of clarification, we, the United States did wwin, THe Revolutionary
> war from 1776-178,
Granted. You're welcome to it. You. Whatever.
> the war of 1812,
Wrong. Unless you mean in the same sense that you won the war in Vietnam.
> and we saved the Brits in both the
> First and Second World Wars.
You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much. Point
of information for you: Britain put in the most effort and the best show
of any nation in either war, and without us in WWII all would have been
lost. Without you, well, we'd still have had Russia. No nation was more
invaluable to victory in that war than our mighty and marvellous nation,
and no one sacrificed more either. Come to think of it, no one sacrificed
*less* than the USA. So less of the smarmy "couldn't have won it without
us" crap, the reverse is also true, indeed the reverse is *more* true.
It's frankly insulting that you can ever believe that without the USA all
the sacrifices, all the many deaths we suffered fighting a war from
BEGINNING to END, would have been meaningless, yet that is the
implication. I therefore ask all educated Americans on this newsgroup to
refrain from making that patronising and degrading claim ever again. It
lacks wit, it lacks value, and most of all it lacks truth.
Yes I'm over-reacting, bully for me, but it needed saying. Geography Wars
is one thing, but spitting on the memory and achievements of the valiant
dead is quite another, and I've had enough of it.
> However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
She's Australian.
> That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
and nothing to watch.
> Ummm, Canada? Lets see, since the turn of the century, the Brits have
> lost Africa, India, Asian Pacific territories, any real rights over
> Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the like.
Providing a whole mess of nations with the wherewithal to deal with the
Twentieth Century. Our flag waving colonialism *acheieved* something for
the world. Maybe it was originally intended to provide Britain with a
global resource, but if you look at the early Twentieth Century you'll
see that changing attitudes in this country provided those countries with
the help and freedom they desired. The USA, on the other hand, continues
to display the sort of "white-man" colonialism that we left behind in the
Nineteenth Century, exploiting the people they control, and doing it so
dishonestly that they dare not show their flag, instead they wave their
chequebook.
So we're a nice nation, you're a nasty nation.
> Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
> Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
> one of us.
You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
Andrew Wheeler - Will now calm down.
======= The X-Writers Universe: Returning January 17th 1997 =======
Stewart White
: point of clarification, we, the United States did wwin, THe Revolutionary
: war from 1776-178, the war of 1812, and we saved the Brits in both the
: First and Second World Wars.
Could I just point something out here- The Americans LOST every single
land battle during the war of 1812 with the Possible exception the Battle
of New Orleans but that battle occured two weeks after the official
armistice was signed. Communications were poor and so word didn't reach
the armys in Lousiana for another couple of weeks. The British dominated
the war winning all key battles (Stony creek, Fort Erie, Queenston
heights, Sacket's Harbour). They also marched on Washington and BURNED
the White house to the ground (it was subsequently rebuilt and White
washed and that is how it gained it's name as the white house.) I will
concede however that the Americans did dominate the battles on the Great
Lakes but this had little military impact.
: However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge, the entire concpt of
: Scottish Food, and Oasis.
and we'll let you Americans keep OJ., the right to shoot each other down
like dogs, the LA riots, the Clintons..... aw hell maybe the Canadian
govt. should invest in one damn long chain link fence....
: Ummm, Canada? Lets see, since the turn of the century, the Brits have
: lost Africa, India, Asian Pacific territories, any real rights over
: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the like.
: Leaving a once proud colonial power with, well, Grenada.
: We on the other hand, arequtie busy oppressing the the entire world. And
: participating in massive Cultural imperalism.
Ha!! If you Americans had the first clue about what was going on in the
rest of the world maybe other nations wouldn't hold you in such contempt!!
: (Baywatch is the Number 1 rated Tv show in hte world.)
Thanks to Pam Anderson AND GUESS WHAT!!! she's a Canadian!!
: Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
: Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
: one of us.
Tie this into comics?? sure.....
American charecters- Jean/Scott entity, Angel, Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Gambit
(yeah there are others....)
Other nationalities- Wolverine, Collosus, Nightcrawler, Psylocke,
Banshee, Chamber, Siryn, Wolfsbane.....
What's my point??
Well lets just say that all my favorite charecters fall in the second
group... co-incedence. I dunno.
-Stew
De Parker
Vermilion wrote:
> In article (Ian Foster) writes:
> > We get this from people who have the only 'World Series' that only
> >includes one country...
Don't we still send college kids to play in the Olympics?
We might invite other countries when they're ready. Latin American and
Asian countries show promise, but their best players already play for
American teams.
> So glad you enjoy it. Allow to point out that the Toronto Blue Jays won
> the World Series over the Atlanta Braves 4-2 in 1992 and again in 1993 over
> the Philadelphia Phillies 4-2. Toronto, for the geographically impaired, is
> in Canada. Thank you for playing, please try again.
How many Canadians played for the Blue Jays though?
It's possible that there were Canadians on the Blue Jays, but I don't
think Canada should actually get credit for Americans who work for them.
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Vermilion
In article Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> writes:
>You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
Heh. We still have Frank Miller on TeamUSA. So *Pbbbbtttttttttttttt*
- Vermilion, who'll imagines it'll come down to Dark Knight vs. Watchmen
in the finals...
Vermilion
In article (Ian Foster) writes:
>Lord of deXness <djp...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> We get this from people who have the only 'World Series' that only
>includes one country...
> Phil - enjoying this thread...
So glad you enjoy it. Allow to point out that the Toronto Blue Jays won
the World Series over the Atlanta Braves 4-2 in 1992 and again in 1993 over
the Philadelphia Phillies 4-2. Toronto, for the geographically impaired, is
in Canada. Thank you for playing, please try again.
- Vermilion, who knows waaaaaaaaay more about baseball than comic books.
And I know a lot about comics ;)
Gabriel Phifer
I really don't appreciate all this "Geography Wars" crap. I thought
this was an x-book newsgroup, not a place where people can rant about
how great their countries are compared to someone else's. You almost
saved it by referring to x-characters at the end, but it turned out to
be another means of displaying your nationalism. Nationalism is fine,
though. I have no problem with people being proud of where they come
from, but it can get to the point of being really, REALLY annoying when
put in the wrong place, like HERE. All this "my country is better than
yours" stuff is only another manifestation of cultural divisionist
thinking that has been the cause of many wars and the oppression of
millions of ethnic groups across all of human history. (Now you've gone
and made me rant.) Anyway, keep it off the newsgroup. Just send each
other hate e-mail or something but leave room for REAL x-topics.
Thanks.
JWhite8559
And we produced the almight CHRIS CLAREMONT.
About the war though, Britain lost a lot, and I don't mean to spit on the
memories of the men, women, and children that lost their lives in WWII,
but without the USA getting involved, you guys would be saluting a nazi
flag every morning, noon, and night. And about Russia, here in 1997, they
to would be saluting the nazi flag. So don't forget what our man power
and technology did for not only the UK, but all of the world as well.
Vermilion
In article ste...@uoguelph.ca (Stewart White) writes:
>: We on the other hand, arequtie busy oppressing the the entire world. And
>: participating in massive Cultural imperalism.
>Ha!! If you Americans had the first clue about what was going on in the
>rest of the world maybe other nations wouldn't hold you in such contempt!!
You can deal with a little contempt when you're the most powerful nation
in the solar system. It comes with the territory.
>: (Baywatch is the Number 1 rated Tv show in hte world.)
>Thanks to Pam Anderson AND GUESS WHAT!!! she's a Canadian!!
Well, some of her is. Some parts, however, are from Silicon Valley, and
that's in America.
- Vermilion, who knows what his computer and half of Babeywatch have in
common.
Vermilion
In article De Parker <gt5...@prism.gatech.edu> writes:
>Vermilion wrote:
>> In article (Ian Foster) writes:
>> > We get this from people who have the only 'World Series' that only
>> >includes one country...
>Don't we still send college kids to play in the Olympics?
Yup. Always will, too. The baseball season runs right through the
Olympics, and even ran the Atlanta Braves out of town for a 17 game road trip
to free up Atlanta Fulton County Stadium for baseball.
>We might invite other countries when they're ready. Latin American and
>Asian countries show promise, but their best players already play for
>American teams.
*rofl* Yeah, and if they only had the money to cart their teams back and
fourth... For those with a 'World' Series bias, consider that this year's
Americal League MVP is Juan Gonzalez, and not an American (He's from the DR, I
think, but don't quote me.) Last year's Rookie of the Year was Hideo Nomo, a
Japanese pitcher who still speaks little English. For an America only sport,
the scouts sure get around...
>> So glad you enjoy it. Allow to point out that the Toronto Blue Jays won
>> the World Series over the Atlanta Braves 4-2 in 1992 and again in 1993 over
>> the Philadelphia Phillies 4-2. Toronto, for the geographically impaired, is
>> in Canada. Thank you for playing, please try again.
>How many Canadians played for the Blue Jays though?
No idea. Never really followed the Blu Jays much.
>It's possible that there were Canadians on the Blue Jays, but I don't
>think Canada should actually get credit for Americans who work for them.
They have season homes in Canada. They pay Canadian income tax. Aside
from lacking voting rights, they're de facto Canadians 6 months a year. For
the record, the only Canadian players on Canadian teams in recent years I can
think of both played for the Montreal Expos - Larry Walker, now a Rockie, and
Denis Boucher, whom I think is with the Indians system...
- Vermilion, who knows Walker always wanted to play for the Canadiens, but
stuck with baseball...
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
de Designer
Stewart White wrote:
> Your nation is an outdated dinosaur in a growing international community
> and you're going to be left in the dust unless you pull your collective
> head outta your collective ass and take a look at the world as it really is.
Can _someone step in here and say what Captain America said. I forgot
the exact words, but it was a statement he made after someone said that
he should be ashamed of the colours he wore, the flag he carried.
Something about representeing the dream and spirit and freedom. I like
the US. But I like the other contries also.
Oooh ooh, I have a quote:" I care about capitalism much like Churchill
cared about democracy, it is the worst of its forms, except for what's
out there."
--
de Designer
How the waters that fall can raise the soul.
So drown my spirit with your watery toll
as lightning shrieks and thunder rolls.
Release my life of its dead souls.
--Rain, by Jameson Stalanthas Yu
<---- Shade and Sweet water, mes amis and Edgerunners ---->
<- http://www-scf.usc.edu/~jamesony/homosuperior.htm ->
Lord of deXness
In article <5bh4t7$p...@nntp5.u.washington.edu>,
David Francis Smith <yyr...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) wrote:
>
>>We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
>>Jam _has_ had one good album.)
>
>Eck. The US probably has the balance of superior music acts, but Pearl
>Jam ain't one of them.
Which is why I compared them. Anyone can compare are crap band to a great
band, or a great band to another great band. The challenge is to compare
the crap to the crap and see which is better. Pearl Jam had several good
songs on their first album, most notably "Black" and "Alive". Oasis has
only done one song which doesn't make me physically ill, ("Wonderwall")
and that is changing rapidly.
> POINT: Britain may have made a superior showing in both World Wars.
>At least WWI. However, we have better bands.
True in all respects except for techno. They've got us there. (Of
course, we have Junior Vasquez, Frankie Bones and Towa Tei picking up the
slack on the house side, so the dance music front comes out even.)
>
>Quiz Question: To decide the match, who was worse: Thatcher or Reagan?
>
Reagan was worse. Therefore, we win! :)
deX!
Lord of deXness
In article <32DC31...@mit.edu>, Gabriel Phifer <gsph...@mit.edu> wrote:
>I really don't appreciate all this "Geography Wars" crap. I thought
>this was an x-book newsgroup, not a place where people can rant about
>how great their countries are compared to someone else's. You almost
>saved it by referring to x-characters at the end, but it turned out to
>be another means of displaying your nationalism.
I seriously doubt anyone responding to this thread is being 100% serious,
except possibly you. Feel free to get upset because it's off-topic, but
understand that the entire thing is a massive joke.
ObX: I bet Shadowcat would _love_ getting into Geography Wars on the net.
deX!
Andrew D. Devenney, Graduate School Senator
In article <5bgdr2$q...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, ste...@uoguelph.ca (Stewart
White) says:
>Could I just point something out here- The Americans LOST every single
>land battle during the war of 1812 with the Possible exception the Battle
>of New Orleans but that battle occured two weeks after the official
>armistice was signed. Communications were poor and so word didn't reach
>the armys in Lousiana for another couple of weeks. The British dominated
look to the outcomes to determine the winners.
>the war winning all key battles (Stony creek, Fort Erie, Queenston
>heights, Sacket's Harbour). They also marched on Washington and BURNED
>the White house to the ground (it was subsequently rebuilt and White
>washed and that is how it gained it's name as the white house.) I will
>concede however that the Americans did dominate the battles on the Great
>Lakes but this had little military impact.
benefits? I don't recall specifics, but it seems to me that by surviving the
the war and keeping the British from taking us back (like they even wanted us)
we came out the better of the two.
Hochachtungsvoll,
---ADD, who needs to go hence the lack of facts---that and I don't care much
for the war of 1812.
Andrew D. Devenney, Graduate School Senator
In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.97011...@teleute.com>, Elizabeth
Celeste <jub...@teleute.com> says:
*Stewert wrote the other things:
>The Brittish may have pressed for peace due to Napolean, but it was the
>wrong war.
I do wish to clarify a few things, more for Stew's benefit than yours.
Napoleon was not a factor at all in the closing of the Revolutionary War. It
was changes in the British government which stimulated a willingness to
negociate. That and the threat of having both Spain and France invade the
tip of the Iberian Peninsula (ie Gibraltor). While England and France were
considered at war, that manuevor(sp) would have been considered fair game, but
if the war was ended then that invasion would be an act of aggression and we
know how much Europe is hung up on balance of power politics.
Dates of Am. Revolution: 1775-1783
Dates of French Revolution: 1787-1799(?)
Dates of Napoleonic Empire: 1799(?)-1815
Notice which two do not overlap.
>> the difficulties of fighting wars on two fronts the Brits focused their
>> attention on the real threat- France and only put forth a token showing
>> the war relying heavily upon Lafeyette (sp?) in the closing days of the
>> war.. not to mention a whole bunch of german mercenaries....
counting Von Stueben as a whole bunch of mercs.
>Nothing wrong with hiring German Mercenaries. They were the best of the
>time period, and hte American popluation was not high enough to truly
>field a big ass army. Nothing Wrong wiht enlisting the help of whoever we
>needed.
to gain freedom. It meant a lot too them, or at least to those in power. The
amount of troops and equipment and money poured into the colonies to put down
the rebellion was on a level higher than had ever been brought together before.
If you want facts to back that up, I'll surely simply you with them when I look
it up.
And of course there is nothing wrong with hiring mercenaries or enlisting aid.
Why hinder yourself by not doing that? Everytime an X-man gets in trouble they
usually go get help. Same with most Marvel and DC Supes. If you are weaker
make yourself stronger. That is credo straight from Lady deathstrike. ;-)
>Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
>Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
>one of us.
between motivations behind world events and how these ideas are mimiced or
distorted by the various characters in the X-books. Look at Genosha for
example. I have also mentioned a few in the previous areas. Genosha is
clear an analogue(sp) to South Africa I assume.
Okay, I'm babbling again. I'll stop now.
Hochachtungsvoll,
---ADD, been in class today
Stewart White
Distribution:
Elizabeth Celeste (jub...@teleute.com) wrote:
: we saved the Brits in both the
: First and Second World Wars.
you know Elizabeth- you were making a wee bit of sense up until this
statement.
The only reason the US. entered the world wars, hell the only reason the
US. does anything, is because they were threatened economically or the
had their pride wounded. You entered both wars well after their beginigs.
the first because you looked really dumb when you loaded that passenger
ship "Lusitania", maybe you've heard of it, full of ammo and then got
blown up... also the Kaiser was forging alliances with both Japan and
Mexico so you had to put the kibosh on old Wilheim before you were under
attack from three sides.
World war Two you became the victims of the first ever Unsuprising
suprise attack. did you know that US navy intellegence KNEW the japanesse
fleet was in the vicinity of Pearl Harbour but didn't bother reporting
this??
What am I trying to say here?? Don't pretend any Nobility in either of
those actions HELL there is no Nobility in any war you've fought. You
only fight to save your pride, money, or to opress other forms of
government. If the US is so damn great why didn't it stick it's neck out
in Bosnia with the Canadian and British soldiers there simply because it
was the right thing to do ??
Sure... you're willing to conqoreur Iraq... only because your precious
oil was threatened. Humanitary reasons my ASS!! Where the hell were you
in Rwanda, in Cyprus, in a dozen other "economically worthless"
backwaters where Canadian, British, and troops from every nation fought
and died SIMPLY BECAUSE OTHERS WERE SUFFERING!!!
Your nation is an outdated dinosaur in a growing international community
and you're going to be left in the dust unless you pull your collective
head outta your collective ass and take a look at the world as it really is.
Oh.... and BTW- You were fighting with the British to save FRANCE.
Gary Johnson
David Francis Smith <yyr...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>Question for the ages. The Battle of Britain was definitely an all-
>British operation, and was of course one of the greatest victories in
>history. However, the US led the D-Day invasion, and won the war in
>the Pacific. However some more, both of those were with Commonwealth
>support (Australian in the case of the Pacific theatre).
Australian *and* New Zealand, thank you very much. The ANZACs stood
together in the Second World War, just as they did in the First. It's
just nobody ever talks much about our cross-Tasman friends.
Someday they'll become the eighth (and maybe the ninth) state ... bwah hah
hah !!! Then no-one will beat us at Rugby Union!!! (Lots of exclamation
marks!!!!!!!!!)
>David F. Smith, who's faking all of this.
Yours,
Gary Johnson
BTW, we formally cede all rights to Kylie Minogue to the United Kingdom.
Gabriel Phifer
Lord of deXness wrote:
>
> I seriously doubt anyone responding to this thread is being 100% > serious, except possibly you.
Sorry about that little outburst. I was really cranky, I had just come
back from a long day in classes and studying, and I was dead tired. I
guess the off-topicness of this thread was all the spark it took to set
me off. I'm sure its all in fun. I just overreacted. But still, try and
keep it at least remotely x-related. Thanks.
sixm...@aol.com
ia...@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Ian Foster) writes:
>WooHOO! I'm in my first Geography war! Do I get a prize or something?!
No.
The Other (if only 'cause you forgot to change the header...) Rob
Andrew Wheeler
JWhite8559 wrote:
>
> And we produced the almight CHRIS CLAREMONT.
Actually, technically, *we* did. And Gillian Anderson too.
> About the war though, Britain lost a lot, and I don't mean to spit on the
> memories of the men, women, and children that lost their lives in WWII,
> but without the USA getting involved, you guys would be saluting a nazi
> flag every morning, noon, and night.
Funny, you just have to salute the Stars and Stripes morning, noon and
night instead. Listen, with all due respect, that's utter tosh. There is
no way you can outright claim we'd have lost the war without you. It just
ain't so, Joe. The tide was turning even before the US jumped in to play
scavenger over Europe. So enough crap already, you can strike as many
hollow poses as you like, but speculation is not fact, and there are
plenty of scenarios in which the UK could have defeated Germany without
US intervention.
And on a related note, are there any Russians on this newsgroup? I never
see them saying "you'd have lost the war without us", and in their case
it's almost justified. Not so with the Mickey Mouse Battalion. So quit
it.
ObXbooks: Do you reckon the Yank members of the X-Teams parade around
all day to their colleagues saying "Hey, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Storm,
you'd all have died in that fight against Magneto if we hadn't been there
to save you"? Or are they *heroes* instead?
Andrew Wheeler - Why yes, I am pissed off.
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Anyway, to renew this argument once more, if it weren't for the English, you
Yanks would have been saluting the Tricolour for the last 180 years.
Now, tell me *that* isn't a fate worse than death.
Cheerily,
Charlie
Gary Johnson
David Francis Smith <yyr...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>Quiz Question: To decide the match, who was worse: Thatcher or Reagan?
Well, they were both pretty bad ... but I think the prize goes to our very
own Lizard of Oz, Paul Keating, for deciding that Reagan and Thatcher's
economic policies made sense and should be emulated about ten *years*
after they starting failing to work in the US and the UK. Stupidity *and*
economic rationalism tips the balance in favour of our candidate. After
all, how can we forget his piquant description of Australia as "the
arse-end of the world"? What a Prime Minister. Not that Little Johnny
Howard's an improvement ...
Yours,
Gary Johnson
Stewart White
AndrewD.Devenney wrote:
: In article <5bgdr2$q...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, ste...@uoguelph.ca (Stewart
: White) says:
: >Could I just point something out here- The Americans LOST every single
:
: Go ahead. . .
:
: >land battle during the war of 1812 with the Possible exception the Battle
: >of New Orleans but that battle occured two weeks after the official
: >armistice was signed. Communications were poor and so word didn't reach
: >the armys in Lousiana for another couple of weeks. The British dominated
:
: Dominating a war and winning a war can be two different things. I prefer to
: look to the outcomes to determine the winners.
:
: >the war winning all key battles (Stony creek, Fort Erie, Queenston
: >heights, Sacket's Harbour). They also marched on Washington and BURNED
: >the White house to the ground (it was subsequently rebuilt and White
: >washed and that is how it gained it's name as the white house.) I will
:
: Yeah, yeah, but we fucked up Quebec...
What the hell are you talking about..... nothing occured in Quebec during
the war of 1812. You made an attempt during the revolutionary war to
invade Quebec city but got trounced.... where are you getting your facts??
:
: >concede however that the Americans did dominate the battles on the Great
: >Lakes but this had little military impact.
:
: As a previous poster noted, who gained the most from the war in tangible
: benefits? I don't recall specifics, but it seems to me that by surviving the
: the war and keeping the British from taking us back (like they even wanted us)
: we came out the better of the two.
Actually bright eyes the war of 1812 was initiated by the illegal search
and seizure of American ships by the British navy on the high seas. In
retalliation the Americans decided to invade upper Canada and they were
royally trounced. The war had nothing to do with taking back the U.S. and
more to do with typical American aggression.... anyone remember manifest
destiny?? 54 40 my ass.
:
: Hochachtungsvoll,
:
: ---ADD, who needs to go hence the lack of facts---that and I don't care much
: for the war of 1812.
--that and you have your facts completely wrong.
:
:
:
:
:
:
Allan J. Benson
De Parker (gt5...@prism.gatech.edu) writes:
> Vermilion wrote:
>
>> In article (Ian Foster) writes:
>
> We might invite other countries when they're ready. Latin American and
> Asian countries show promise, but their best players already play for
> American teams.
>
>> So glad you enjoy it. Allow to point out that the Toronto Blue Jays won
>> the World Series over the Atlanta Braves 4-2 in 1992 and again in 1993 over
>> the Philadelphia Phillies 4-2. Toronto, for the geographically impaired, is
>> in Canada. Thank you for playing, please try again.
>
> How many Canadians played for the Blue Jays though?
I believe one did. I don't recall if he got to play _in_ the World's
series.
--
Allan Benson, the Heartbreak Kid.
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| "Sometimes the clothes do not make the man." |
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JWhite8559
I'm sorry. I was under the impression that Britain was under attack from
Germany as well. I guess I was mistaken. Obviously there were no
bombings on Britain. Well damn, now their going to have to change
everything that tells us about WWII, because it's all wrong.
And where was Britain during the Iraqi affair? You guys didn't send much
more than a couple of pairs of underwear. It was mostly our troops out
there.
And we were involved in Bosnia. In fact, there are still US troops over
there right now.
And don't even start on the US getting involved in wars that are only
economically advantagous. All governments do that. Noone says, "Let's
have our men killed for the hell of it. Send in the troops!" That would
be stupid. Someone has to gain something out of everything they do.
And as for our involvement in WWI & II, we were itching for the chance to
jump in and save Europe's collective ass. Remember that before you decide
to shoot off at the mouth.
Tannhauser
On 17 Jan 1997, JWhite8559 wrote:
> And where was Britain during the Iraqi affair? You guys didn't send much
> more than a couple of pairs of underwear. It was mostly our troops out
> there.
If I recall correctly, the British did indeed send out troops to
the gulf, and the Americans had lots of fun shooting them by accident.
Has anybody compiled a graph showing the relative expenditure on
constructing an American fighter jet and educating an American fighter
jet pilot? Try.
Paul O'Brien
jwhit...@aol.com (JWhite8559) writes:
>And we produced the almight CHRIS CLAREMONT.
Born in England.
Paul O'Brien
The Onslaught Index - http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/index/
The leprechauns are happy again.
Lord of deXness
In article <32DE32...@york.ac.uk>,
Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Funny, you just have to salute the Stars and Stripes morning, noon and
>night instead.
No we don't. We only have to salute it every other Thursday at 2:41 PM.
Do a little research next time.
> And on a related note, are there any Russians on this newsgroup? I never
>see them saying "you'd have lost the war without us", and in their case
>it's almost justified. Not so with the Mickey Mouse Battalion. So quit
>it.
>
Hey, don't dump on the Mouse. I saw him get backed into a corner by
several mobsters once, and the little sucker threw down like a champ. He
can kick some @$$.
Goofy, on the other hand, cries like a baby if he nicks himself shaving.
What a punk.
> ObXbooks: Do you reckon the Yank members of the X-Teams parade around
>all day to their colleagues saying "Hey, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Storm,
>you'd all have died in that fight against Magneto if we hadn't been there
>to save you"? Or are they *heroes* instead?
>
>Andrew Wheeler - Why yes, I am pissed off.
Being pissed off is better than being pissed on.
deX!
Lord of deXness
In article <5blgos$f...@lupin.csv.warwick.ac.uk>,
So, as the smoke clears from Geography Wars XVII, the outcome is still
unclear. Supremacy hasn't been attained by either the US or Great
Britain, but one fact stands out:
They're both better than France.
deX!
(ObX: Monet is Algerian.)
Lord of deXness
Oh, it's no problem. Besides, as I said before, you're perfectly within
your right to complain that the thread is off-topic. Besides, I've
noticed in posts that I read today that some people aren't taking this
thread "all in fun", which is too bad.
"Can't we all just get along?" *sniff*
deX!
Lord of deXness
In article <5bo9n8$g...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>,
Paul O'Brien <pr...@tattoo.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>jwhit...@aol.com (JWhite8559) writes:
>
>>And we produced the almight CHRIS CLAREMONT.
>
>Born in England.
>
Really? The way people talk about him, I'd always assumed he was born in
a manger in Jerusalem.
I'm not trying to say that he isn't a good writer. I'm trying to say that
no one deserves to be fawned over except for me.
deX!
"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful..."
(Oh, I forgot to rant about how great the US is. Um... okay, here's one:
The US has extremely perky [CENSORED]. To quote Robocop, "I'll buy _that_
for a dollar!"
ObX: Just look at the art. Of course this is on-topic.)
Charlie Ball
Right, this is ordinarily a fairly cordial thread, but it has got out of hand.
Point 1 : Teasing people about their countries is fine. Insulting people
about them is not. One of the countries being considered here is enormous,
one really, rather tiny. Comparisons of military might are childish.
Comparisons of military might *compared to nation size* rather
reverses the position.
Point 2 : The US and the UK get taught *different* versions of history.
The facts are similar (not the same......), the interpretation is different.
Remember that before you start to represent things you have been taught as
the literal truth.
Point 3 : Political viewpoints of history differ : Example 1 : The British
Empire : Many folk might say "The zenith of British achievement,
unparallelled by any nation before or since"
I say " A shameful and appalling violation of the rights and sovereignity
of native peoples by and arrogant and overbearing country."
Example 2 : WWII : You might say "If it weren't for the US, you'd all be
saluting the swastika". I say "Where the buggery were you for the
first two years? It was Russia that beat Germany, thanks"
Point 4 : This is a joke thread.
Point 5 : Do not take it seriously.
Point 6 : Any follow-ups that do not entirely support my point of view are
necessarily incorrect.
I do not wish to see any posts like the one that precedes this, which
presents opinion as fact, nor, indeed any like my rather highly-strung
compatriot which anticipates attacks which, thus far, had not taken
place.
We return you to the regularly scheduled fun-fest that is Geography Wars
Charlie
David Francis Smith
>unclear. Supremacy hasn't been attained by either the US or Great
>Britain, but one fact stands out:
>
>They're both better than France.
Well, France ain't all bad. I spent a couple weeks there last summer
and loved the place. Excellent pastry, and it's the only place in the
world where you can eat a bloody rare McDonalds hamburger without
fear of a grisly death.
David F. Smith
David Francis Smith
Tannhauser <trin...@sable.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>On 17 Jan 1997, JWhite8559 wrote:
>
>> And where was Britain during the Iraqi affair? You guys didn't send much
>> more than a couple of pairs of underwear. It was mostly our troops out
>> there.
Unfortunately, this is wrong. British forces on land and in the air
were a large part of the coalition forces. Which is rather a pity, con-
sidering they sunk a good deal of their resources into a war which was,
for the most part, put on as a commercial for the Republican Party
and a variety of US defense contractors. They shoulda stayed home,
saved themselves some grief. Which could actually be said for most
all of the participants in the Gulf.
David F. Smith, who is an American, thank you, but realizes also that
his government is mostly off its nut.
Alan Lewis Sauer
David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
But you can't eat a regular McDonald's hamburger without fear of a grisly
death, much less a bloody rare one. It's a well-known fact.
ObX: Wolverine could survive McDonalds. I'm not altogether sure about
Hardee's, though.
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Alan Sauer als...@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu
"To follow knowledge, like a sinking star,/Beyond the utmost bound
of human thought." -- from "Ulysses," by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
David Francis Smith
als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) wrote:
>David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: Well, France ain't all bad. I spent a couple weeks there last summer
>: and loved the place. Excellent pastry, and it's the only place in the
>: world where you can eat a bloody rare McDonalds hamburger without
>: fear of a grisly death.
>
>But you can't eat a regular McDonald's hamburger without fear of a grisly
>death, much less a bloody rare one. It's a well-known fact.
No, France has much more stringent laws regarding meat quality. Comes
of this deep-seated belief among cooks in said country that doing meat
beyond the "medium rare" stage is an unforgivable sin.
David F. Smith, who agrees with them.
Vermilion
In article als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) writes:
>David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) wrote:
>: >So, as the smoke clears from Geography Wars XVII, the outcome is still
>: >unclear. Supremacy hasn't been attained by either the US or Great
>: >Britain, but one fact stands out:
>: >
>: >They're both better than France.
>: Well, France ain't all bad. I spent a couple weeks there last summer
>: and loved the place. Excellent pastry, and it's the only place in the
>: world where you can eat a bloody rare McDonalds hamburger without
>: fear of a grisly death.
>But you can't eat a regular McDonald's hamburger without fear of a grisly
>death, much less a bloody rare one. It's a well-known fact.
>ObX: Wolverine could survive McDonalds. I'm not altogether sure about
>Hardee's, though.
Well, color me mutant, then. I eat a Double Quarter Pounder w/ cheese
Extra Value Meal, Super-sized, with Coke every week or so, and I'm still in
reasonably good health. It may not help my girlish figure, but...
- Vermilion, who still has the good sense to steer clear of McRib
sandwiches...
Allison Dowdall
On 17 Jan 1997 21:55:38 GMT, David Francis Smith
<yyr...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>David F. Smith, who is an American, thank you, but realizes also that
>his government is mostly off its nut.
Can anyone here name one that isn't?
Arachne
Andrew Wheeler
Charlie Ball wrote:
>
> Right, this is ordinarily a fairly cordial thread, but it has got out of hand.
Well that's what happens when Americans get involved...
> Point 6 : Any follow-ups that do not entirely support my point of view are
> necessarily incorrect.
Oh right. Yes. Well, just as well you're absolutely right then, eh
Charlie? Lord, but I can be a tawdry little whore at times
> I do not wish to see any posts like the one that precedes this, which
> presents opinion as fact, nor, indeed any like my rather highly-strung
> compatriot which anticipates attacks which, thus far, had not taken
> place.
Does he mean me? 0:)
I'm allowed to be highly strung, I have flu. I shouldn't even be out
right now.
> We return you to the regularly scheduled fun-fest that is Geography Wars
Actually I'd have to say that I'd rather we didn't. Let's leave off the
Wars from now on, because (a) it's horribly off topic, (b) it's not
actually any fun, and (c) all the arguments are unfairly weighted in our
favour. Let's go back to comics. Or at least to something vaguely related
to comics. Actually, something incredibly vagely related to comics,
because let's face it, they're all crap.
Andrew Wheeler - See, that was on-topic.
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Alan Lewis Sauer
: >David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: >: Well, France ain't all bad. I spent a couple weeks there last summer
: >: and loved the place. Excellent pastry, and it's the only place in the
: >: world where you can eat a bloody rare McDonalds hamburger without
: >: fear of a grisly death.
: >But you can't eat a regular McDonald's hamburger without fear of a grisly
: >death, much less a bloody rare one. It's a well-known fact.
: No, France has much more stringent laws regarding meat quality. Comes
: of this deep-seated belief among cooks in said country that doing meat
: beyond the "medium rare" stage is an unforgivable sin.
Hmm. I can see how such a strange belief would give rise to better
quality control.
But do the _fast-food_ cooks in France cook things beyond medium rare?
: David F. Smith, who agrees with them.
Alan Sauer, medium well
Alan Lewis Sauer
Vermilion (dun...@email.uc.edu) wrote:
: In article als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) writes:
: >David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: >: Well, France ain't all bad. I spent a couple weeks there last summer
: >: and loved the place. Excellent pastry, and it's the only place in the
: >: world where you can eat a bloody rare McDonalds hamburger without
: >: fear of a grisly death.
: >But you can't eat a regular McDonald's hamburger without fear of a grisly
: >death, much less a bloody rare one. It's a well-known fact.
: >ObX: Wolverine could survive McDonalds. I'm not altogether sure about
: >Hardee's, though.
: Well, color me mutant, then. I eat a Double Quarter Pounder w/ cheese
: Extra Value Meal, Super-sized, with Coke every week or so, and I'm still in
: reasonably good health. It may not help my girlish figure, but...
Well, yeah, I eat McDonald's too. I'm not saying you _will_ suffer
a grisly death, notice. You can't go into McDonald's without the
_fear_ of a grisly death.
But I go to Burger King much more often. Better fries. And I don't
have to look at the clown.
David Francis Smith
Switzerland.
David F. Smith
David Francis Smith
als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) wrote:
>But do the _fast-food_ cooks in France cook things beyond medium rare?
Nope. Ate dozens of hamburgers there, and every one bled all over the
place. It was wonderful.
David F. Smith
David Francis Smith
To respond to myself, you can come back to this thread if you wish,
Mr. Wheeler. It's all about hamburgers now, with a pleasant lack of
nationalist silliness :).
David F. Smith, who posted this for no immediately perceivable reason.
Tony!
David Francis Smith wrote:
Well, he wrote stom stuff. More importantly, if tradition hold true,
this entitles Wheeler to a pastry.
Wow...Geography Wars, that hilarious X-Movie list, elitism...RACMX is
starting to fell like RACMX again!
-Rev.Tony!
Who can be his own best friend and can send himself for pizza.
David R. Henry
Vermilion writes:
>>Ha!! If you Americans had the first clue about what was going on in the
>>rest of the world maybe other nations wouldn't hold you in such contempt!!
>
> You can deal with a little contempt when you're the most powerful nation
>in the solar system. It comes with the territory.
Which is why China doesn't take anything the US threatens them with much
seriously at all. :)
--
dhe...@plains.nodak.edu
"When the Martians land, will the press have access?"
Vermilion
>Vermilion writes:
>>>Ha!! If you Americans had the first clue about what was going on in the
>>>rest of the world maybe other nations wouldn't hold you in such contempt!!
>>
>> You can deal with a little contempt when you're the most powerful nation
>>in the solar system. It comes with the territory.
>Which is why China doesn't take anything the US threatens them with much
>seriously at all. :)
Yeahyeahyeah, war of attrition and all that, eh? Just think, if the
Chinese could actually feed themselves, they could take over the earth!
- Vermilion, who thinks we ought to annex Canada. Just to make a point.
David R. Henry
Allison Dowdall writes:
>>David F. Smith, who is an American, thank you, but realizes also that
>>his government is mostly off its nut.
>
>Can anyone here name one that isn't?
Andorra.
Ian Foster
To respond to your response to yourself (even though I'm not Andrew
Wheeler)...
Wonderful! Someone else who appreciates meat the way it's supposed to be
eaten - ie raw and dripping with blood. I've had several arguments with people
who still insist on doing that cooking stuff to a decent steak, thus removing
all the blood, and therefore all the taste from the thing.
ObXbooks - how do the X-men like their steak cooked?
Phil - who would have liked to carry on the Geography War, only with the
state England's in at the moment, he'd probably have to start arguing for
Wales...
--
******************************************
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'Moines a point 'o scrumpy!'
Reality? That's where the pizza
delivery guy comes from!
******************************************
Ian Foster
Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: In article <32DB99...@york.ac.uk>,
: Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
: >Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
: >> and we saved the Brits in both the
: >> First and Second World Wars.
: >
: >You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much.
: That's right!!! It's all about capital, baby! That's what makes us
: number one! We rule!!!!!!!!
Capitals? Well, if you want to argue the point on capital then we win
again! USA has, what, one Capital? We've got at least four. More
if you count Brussels. Unfortunately one of them's London, but anyway...
: >> However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
So do most people.
: >She's Australian.
: Yeah, but we _think_ she's British, so that counts. Dance of victory!!!
: High five!!! We rule!
No, that's Princess Diana you're thinking of.
: >> That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
: >
: >We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
: >producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
: >just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
: >rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
: >and nothing to watch.
: Well, we've got several good shows over here: Living Single, ER, Law and
: Order, Homicide, The X-Files, Profiler, Mad TV, Frasier, Cybil, Ellen, and
: the epitome of trashy TV soap operas, SAVANNAH!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
Damn, I was gonna argue back until I realised that most of the shows I
watch on British TV are listed above...
: >
: >You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
: >
: Nonononono.
: We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
: Jam _has_ had one good album.)
: deX!
But we've got the Spice Girls. So there.
Phil - running out of arguments...
Alan Lewis Sauer
: >But do the _fast-food_ cooks in France cook things beyond medium rare?
: Nope. Ate dozens of hamburgers there, and every one bled all over the
: place. It was wonderful.
Wow.
Note to self: When in France, if ever in France, cook own meat.
Vermilion
In article ia...@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Ian Foster) writes:
>Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
>: In article <32DB99...@york.ac.uk>,
>: Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>: >Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
>: >> and we saved the Brits in both the
>: >> First and Second World Wars.
>: >
>: >You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much.
>: That's right!!! It's all about capital, baby! That's what makes us
>: number one! We rule!!!!!!!!
> Capitals? Well, if you want to argue the point on capital then we win
>again! USA has, what, one Capital? We've got at least four. More
>if you count Brussels. Unfortunately one of them's London, but anyway...
National capitals? Well, I'd hope England just has one ;) But if you
mean total capitals under federal government, the United States has no less
the fifty-one capitals. Eat that, limey ;)
>: >> However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
> So do most people.
>: >She's Australian.
>: Yeah, but we _think_ she's British, so that counts. Dance of victory!!!
>: High five!!! We rule!
> No, that's Princess Diana you're thinking of.
Diana is Australian? Whoa, I am misled...
>: >> That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
>: >
>: >We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
>: >producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
>: >just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
>: >rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
>: >and nothing to watch.
>: Well, we've got several good shows over here: Living Single, ER, Law and
>: Order, Homicide, The X-Files, Profiler, Mad TV, Frasier, Cybil, Ellen, and
>: the epitome of trashy TV soap operas, SAVANNAH!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
> Damn, I was gonna argue back until I realised that most of the shows I
>watch on British TV are listed above...
I feel your pain. But, then again, the Babylon 5 season gets wrapped up
sooner there, so I'm not too sympathetic with the British programming plight ;)
>: >
>: >You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
>: >
>: Nonononono.
>: We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
>: Jam _has_ had one good album.)
>: deX!
> But we've got the Spice Girls. So there.
Oh God, yes. Their videos do things to my body my mind isn't prepared to
cope with =)
- Vermilion, who's been to England. It's a surprisingly small place.
David Francis Smith
ia...@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Ian Foster) wrote:
> To respond to your response to yourself (even though I'm not Andrew
>Wheeler)...
> Wonderful! Someone else who appreciates meat the way it's supposed to be
>eaten - ie raw and dripping with blood. I've had several arguments with people
>who still insist on doing that cooking stuff to a decent steak, thus removing
>all the blood, and therefore all the taste from the thing.
>
> ObXbooks - how do the X-men like their steak cooked?
Wolverine would go for blood, no question. Gambit, seeing as how
Lousianan cooking is heavily French-influenced, probably would too.
Scott's a wimp. He'd order medium well.
> Phil - who would have liked to carry on the Geography War, only with the
>state England's in at the moment, he'd probably have to start arguing for
>Wales...
If Hollywood is any indication, public opinion in the US seems to be
leaning toward Scotland, oddly enough. However, to you Braveheart
fans, just as a side note, William Wallace did not father Edward III,
nor did Longshanks throw Piers Gaveston out a window. He probably
wanted to, though.
David F. Smith, with thanks to the mighty Robert Stacey.
David Francis Smith
als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) wrote:
>David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) wrote:
>
>: >But do the _fast-food_ cooks in France cook things beyond medium rare?
>
>: Nope. Ate dozens of hamburgers there, and every one bled all over the
>: place. It was wonderful.
>
>Wow.
>
>Note to self: When in France, if ever in France, cook own meat.
Feh. Gutless.
David F. Smith, meat elitist.
Katharine Weizel
In article <5bs8a1$7...@alvarez.physics.csbsju.edu>,
Alan Lewis Sauer <als...@csbsju.edu> wrote:
>David Francis Smith (yyr...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>: als...@csbsju.edu (Alan Lewis Sauer) wrote:
>
>: >But do the _fast-food_ cooks in France cook things beyond medium rare?
>
>: Nope. Ate dozens of hamburgers there, and every one bled all over the
>: place. It was wonderful.
>
>Wow.
>
>Note to self: When in France, if ever in France, cook own meat.
Since Tom Galloway isn't around...
<tyg>
When in France or Switzerland, make sure you know what steak du cheval
is. Before you eat it. Yes, it's horsemeat. It's also not bad at all.
</tyg>
When in Paris, though, go to the Opera, then go left down the Boulevard
des Cappucines about a half-block to a block. there's a resaurant
called Cappucines there. Pricey, but VERY good steak. Mmmmmmh.
kate.
who never ate horsemeat. ick.
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Allison Dowdall
On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:57:05 -500, dun...@email.uc.edu (Vermilion)
wrote:
> - Vermilion, who thinks we ought to annex Canada. Just to make a point.
I wouldn't recomend it. Your soldiers would freeze to death before they
could take much teritory.
Arachne, who was born and bred for Canadian winters and is _still_ cold.
Jim Smith
Tony! wrote:
>
> David Francis Smith wrote:
> Well, he wrote stom stuff. More importantly, if tradition hold true,
> this entitles Wheeler to a pastry.
> Wow...Geography Wars, that hilarious X-Movie list, elitism...RACMX is
> starting to fell like RACMX again!
Not just yet, my old friend...
Bastion: Does he spit or swallow?
_There_ we go...
Jim "Getting to work on his new homepage..." Smith
Ian Foster
Allison Dowdall (nstn...@fox.nstn.ca) wrote:
: On 17 Jan 1997 21:55:38 GMT, David Francis Smith
: <yyr...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: >David F. Smith, who is an American, thank you, but realizes also that
: >his government is mostly off its nut.
: Can anyone here name one that isn't?
: Arachne
Ours. It isn't anywhere interesting enough.
Phil - who was born annoyingly close to Wales, so is not sure where to
argue from...
Andrew Wheeler
Lord of deXness wrote:
>
> Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Funny, you just have to salute the Stars and Stripes morning, noon and
> >night instead.
>
> No we don't. We only have to salute it every other Thursday at 2:41 PM.
> Do a little research next time.
I was being figurative, so there. It's what I'm best at, being figurative
instead of factual. Just ask my History supervisor, she tells me this all
the time. Usually when she's screaming.
> Hey, don't dump on the Mouse. I saw him get backed into a corner by
> several mobsters once, and the little sucker threw down like a champ. He
> can kick some @$$.
Mickey Mouse is an inrefined hoodlum, yes, this is true. I never likes
Mickey Mouse. The dungarees with the missing straps were always a bad
sign. Bugs Bunny could outsmart him any day of the week.
> Goofy, on the other hand, cries like a baby if he nicks himself shaving.
> What a punk.
I hate Goofy more. Disney did not make good shorts (short animated films,
that is, not summerwear, though I'm sure there marketing division
insinuated their way into that field a long time ago). Donald, Minnie,
Pluto, all of them stank. Ptui.
Of course, to bring this on topic we could always do an X-Men Animated
Movie Casting Thread. Er... I mean an X-Men As Cartoon Characters Thread.
Yeah, that's the ticket. So Mickey would be Scott and Minnie would be
Jean, Pluto would be Wolverine, Donald would be Archangel, Daisy would be
Psylocke and Goofy would be Cameron Hodge. Or Candra. Bugs Bunny would be
Pete Wisdom, or someone comparatively smart, Taz would be... Wolverine
again. Um... Marvin the Martian would be Apocalypse and his dog would be
Caliban. Sylvester is Mr Sinister (Mr Sylvister). Elmer Fudd is Sebastian
Shaw. Yosemite Sam is Graydon Creed. Tweety is Polaris.
Sorry, I'm clearly going insane.
> Being pissed off is better than being pissed on.
Some people pay good money for that sort of thing.
Andrew Wheeler - Actually it's probably bad money...
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Jacob W Michaels
Andrew Wheeler (aw...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
> JWhite8559 wrote:
> > About the war though, Britain lost a lot, and I don't mean to spit on the
> > memories of the men, women, and children that lost their lives in WWII,
> > but without the USA getting involved, you guys would be saluting a nazi
> > flag every morning, noon, and night.
> Funny, you just have to salute the Stars and Stripes morning, noon and
> night instead. Listen, with all due respect, that's utter tosh. There is
> no way you can outright claim we'd have lost the war without you. It just
> ain't so, Joe. The tide was turning even before the US jumped in to play
> scavenger over Europe. So enough crap already, you can strike as many
> hollow poses as you like, but speculation is not fact, and there are
> plenty of scenarios in which the UK could have defeated Germany without
> US intervention.
Actually, you couldn't. At least not without lend/lease, etc. There's
a slight possibility that the war could have been won without US Troops
getting involved in Europe, but it seems unlikely.
> And on a related note, are there any Russians on this newsgroup? I never
> see them saying "you'd have lost the war without us", and in their case
> it's almost justified. Not so with the Mickey Mouse Battalion. So quit
> it.
No "almost" about it. If not for Russia, and/or Hitler's mistakes,
Britain probably would have fallen and it would have been a lot
harder to eventually defeat Germany. As for the reason you've never
seen them saying it, it's probably because the East and West weren't
really talking for a goof 40 years afterward. :)
Jacob Back for a litttle while...
Jacob W Michaels
Andrew Wheeler (aw...@york.ac.uk) wrote:
> You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much. Point
> of information for you: Britain put in the most effort and the best show
> of any nation in either war, and without us in WWII all would have been
> lost. Without you, well, we'd still have had Russia. No nation was more
> invaluable to victory in that war than our mighty and marvellous nation,
> and no one sacrificed more either. Come to think of it, no one sacrificed
*cough* Russia *cough* According to James Stokesbury, Britain lost
a quarter millions soldiers, with another 400,000 hurt or wounded.
They also lost half their merchant fleet, had extensive bombing
damage, and a large debt. Great Britain lost more men in World War I.
Russia on the other hand lost over 6 million soldiers, with more than 14
million wounded. 10 to 20 million civilians were killed (though some were
by Stalin's actions) and a million square miles of land was devastated.
Jacob
Andrew Wheeler
Tony! wrote:
> More importantly, if tradition hold true,
> this entitles Wheeler to a pastry.
Damn right. Clara, get yer butt back in here and tie yerself to the
stove, me girl. It's time to rustle up a batch of fresh, crumbly, mouth
watering pastries. A Viennese for me please, as per.
> Wow...Geography Wars, that hilarious X-Movie list, elitism...RACMX is
> starting to fell like RACMX again!
Natch. I'm the Anthropomorphic Personification of the Friendliest
Newsgroup on the Net, and when I am here you must *all* fall into line.
Nya-ha-ha-ha-ha-cough-splutter-splutter-cough.
> -Rev.Tony!
> Who can be his own best friend and can send himself for pizza.
Gee, that's what this newsgroup is missing, a fast food outlet.
Andrew Wheeler - Genius par extrasauce.
Alan Lewis Sauer
: >Note to self: When in France, if ever in France, cook own meat.
: Feh. Gutless.
Pfft. I don't like the taste.
I don't like the taste of pizza, either. So there.
David Francis Smith
Andrew Wheeler <aw...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>Gee, that's what this newsgroup is missing, a fast food outlet.
But only if it serves super-rare hamburgers!
David F. Smith, who knows you knew that was coming :).
Andy Grant
Andrew Wheeler wrote:
>
> Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
> > and we saved the Brits in both the
> > First and Second World Wars.
<sigh> Head? meet Wall. THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.
THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.
THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.THWAMM.
> You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much. Point
> of information for you: Britain put in the most effort and the best show
> of any nation in either war, and without us in WWII all would have been
> lost. Without you, well, we'd still have had Russia. No nation was more
> invaluable to victory in that war than our mighty and marvellous nation,
> and no one sacrificed more either. Come to think of it, no one sacrificed
> *less* than the USA. So less of the smarmy "couldn't have won it without
> us" crap, the reverse is also true, indeed the reverse is *more* true.
> It's frankly insulting that you can ever believe that without the USA all
> the sacrifices, all the many deaths we suffered fighting a war from
> BEGINNING to END, would have been meaningless, yet that is the
> implication. I therefore ask all educated Americans on this newsgroup to
> refrain from making that patronising and degrading claim ever again. It
> lacks wit, it lacks value, and most of all it lacks truth.
> Yes I'm over-reacting, bully for me, but it needed saying. Geography Wars
> is one thing, but spitting on the memory and achievements of the valiant
> dead is quite another, and I've had enough of it.
Rightly so. Let's keep these superiority contests to fun things
or I'll start comparing civil liberties over the past 200 years.
And you'll go home. Crying.
> > However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
> She's Australian.
Quite. Now, if only we could disclaim Sonja so easily.
> > That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
> We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
> producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
> just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
> rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
> and nothing to watch.
That aside. If you're comparing cable channels then the UK has about
another 30-40 on top of those four. Not bad for a nation you could
sink in your "lakes".
> So we're a nice nation, you're a nasty nation.
> > Elizabeth- who ties this in wht the Xbooks to note that it's American
> > Comics we are discussing. And that, as a concession, Rob Liefeld is also
> > one of us.
> You produced Rob Liefeld. We produced Ian Churchill. We win.And Chris Claremont. And John Byrne. And Neil Gaiman. And Dave Mckean.
And David Lloyd. And Grant Morrison. And Lew Stringer. and Alan Davis.
And Alan Moore. And Patrick Moore. And Doctor Who. We win.
--
Andy Grant, the Wandering Minstrel recommends:
getting hold of the "Xenophobes guide to ..."
from the makes of the Bluffer's guides.
Charlie Ball
In article <5bj9m9$3...@decaxp.harvard.edu>,
djp...@fas.harvard.edu (Lord of deXness) writes:
>In article <5bh4t7$p...@nntp5.u.washington.edu>,
>>
>>>We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
>>>Jam _has_ had one good album.)
>>
>>Jam ain't one of them.
>
>Which is why I compared them. Anyone can compare are crap band to a great
>band, or a great band to another great band. The challenge is to compare
>the crap to the crap and see which is better. Pearl Jam had several good
>songs on their first album, most notably "Black" and "Alive". Oasis has
>only done one song which doesn't make me physically ill, ("Wonderwall")
>and that is changing rapidly.
No, inappropriate comparison, as the two bands are different, and
besides, Pearl Jam are awful, whereas disliking Oasis is like hating
the Beatles - it just makes you look sad and bitter. Oasis are ace, and
just because Liam is an arse doesn't make them any less ace. James Brown
is an Olympic standard pillock and yet, curiously, also a musical legend.
The list is endless.
No, let us instead compare our current Number Ones.
You have, if I am not mistaken, Toni Braxton's "Unchain My Heart"
(incidentally has already been in and out of the charts over here - but
you're only about three months behind, musically, on that one, which is
pretty good. If Offspring are any proof, you can sometimes be up
to 20 years behind the UK).
This song is a bog-standard disco job by the usual sort of Rent-a-Diva.
She will have a number of other, equally forgettable bog-standard hits
and then vanish.
Our Number One is "You Woman", by White Town. This song, starting with
a sample from a 1920's trumpet instrumental, was written by a fat Indian
computer-loving bloke from Derby and is a song of unrequited love to a Marxist
lesbian. On paper, this makes it unquestionably one of the finest songs
ever recorded, and, indeed, it is absolutely and entirely ace. The
EP is called "Abort, Retry, Fail?" Everyone must buy it within seconds
of reading this post.
This is incontravertably why the UK is better.
Your biggest band is REM, a band who's albums should all be called "Thanks to
Martin Phillipps for coming from a distant, unfashionable country so
we could steal and dilute all his ideas".
Unaccountably, you ignore all your best ones.
Our biggest band rules the world. And they are from Manchester.
We win.
>> POINT: Britain may have made a superior showing in both World Wars.
>>At least WWI. However, we have better bands.
>
>True in all respects except for techno. They've got us there. (Of
>course, we have Junior Vasquez, Frankie Bones and Towa Tei picking up the
>slack on the house side, so the dance music front comes out even.)
Hello? Hello? You're the only people who still *do* house. That's why
it's popular there.
Still that's about, ooh, three years behind Europe. Don't worry, you'll
catch up. I believe you lot have started noticing The Prodigy. That'll
wake you up.
Mike, Mike, we're having the music argument now.....come out Mike, come out!
Where are you? I'll try this one - "Pavement are dead good, but they
stole all their ideas from The Fall".
That usually wakes him up.
It's also not true any more, to be fair.
Charlie
"She drank all that we had. And she threw up and I was glad. I laughed."
- Kenickie, "Come Out Tonight", another band that *proves* the UK are
better than the US.
Paul O'Brien
David Francis Smith <yyr...@u.washington.edu> writes:
>No, France has much more stringent laws regarding meat quality. Comes
>of this deep-seated belief among cooks in said country that doing meat
>beyond the "medium rare" stage is an unforgivable sin.
My sort of people. A steak's not a steak unless it's still bleeding.
Paul O'Brien
The Onslaught Index - http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/index/
Welcome to hell, Mr. Greening.
Sarah Harrison
Katharine Weizel (ka...@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: In article <5bs8a1$7...@alvarez.physics.csbsju.edu>,: >
: >Wow.
: >
: >Note to self: When in France, if ever in France, cook own meat.
: Since Tom Galloway isn't around...
: <tyg>
: When in France or Switzerland, make sure you know what steak du cheval
: is. Before you eat it. Yes, it's horsemeat. It's also not bad at all.
: </tyg>
Damn! You beat me to it! Anyway, the US exports horsemeat to France. A
lot of it. French people eat a lot of horsemeat. Should I ever get the
chance to go to France, I will eat a lot of bread and chocolate eclairs,
because that is all I deem the French useful for. Oh, and champagne, but
it's not *that* great.
Sarah Harrison - Tricked into contributing to the Geography Wars. Oh
well. By the way, Wheeler, you're wrong. (I have to say that. It's my
Sacred Duty.)
Vermilion
In article <5c09j7$n...@holly.csv.warwick.ac.uk> ms...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Charlie Ball) writes:
>In article <5bskd9$s...@news.istar.ca>,
> nstn...@fox.nstn.ca (Allison Dowdall) writes:
>>On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:57:05 -500, dun...@email.uc.edu (Vermilion)
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> - Vermilion, who thinks we ought to annex Canada. Just to make a point.
>>
>>I wouldn't recomend it. Your soldiers would freeze to death before they
>>could take much teritory.
>I wouldn't want to annex any part of any country which contained a sizeable
>proportion of people who aren't French, but want to be.
>Imagine! Actually *wanting* to be French?
Nononono - I mean the _real_ parts of Canada. We'll let those misbegotten
bits of fluff have that independence thingy they've been raving over for some
time. Or perhaps simply use the province for nuclear testing. Either way.
They probably should be punished for their immoral desires, right?
- Vermilion, amazed during his time in France by the natives' peculiar
attempts at 'American' fashion. One guy I saw was wearing a Texas
Rangers ball cap. I'd be amazed if the lad could find Texas on a map,
much less tell me who/what the Rangers are. Hell, I didn't think
anyone outside of Texas wore Texas Rangers hats... A sad sad country,
that France.
Charlie Ball
In article <5bskd9$s...@news.istar.ca>,
nstn...@fox.nstn.ca (Allison Dowdall) writes:
>On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:57:05 -500, dun...@email.uc.edu (Vermilion)
>wrote:
>
>
>> - Vermilion, who thinks we ought to annex Canada. Just to make a point.
>
>I wouldn't recomend it. Your soldiers would freeze to death before they
>could take much teritory.
I wouldn't want to annex any part of any country which contained a sizeable
proportion of people who aren't French, but want to be.
Imagine! Actually *wanting* to be French?
Charlie
Andrew Wheeler
Ian Foster wrote:
>
> Lord of deXness (djp...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
> : In article <32DB99...@york.ac.uk>,
> : >Elizabeth Celeste wrote:
>
> : >> and we saved the Brits in both the
> : >> First and Second World Wars.
> : >You saved Europe to provide investment potential. Thanks very much.
>
> : That's right!!! It's all about capital, baby! That's what makes us
> : number one! We rule!!!!!!!!
>
> Capitals? Well, if you want to argue the point on capital then we win
> again! USA has, what, one Capital? We've got at least four. More
> if you count Brussels. Unfortunately one of them's London, but anyway...
I like London. And I like Edinburgh. I can't remember what Cardiff was
like, but my Grandfather was Lord Mayor, and so was his father before
him, so that's good enough for me. So yeah, we win.
> : >> However, we do give up all rights to Kylie Minouge,
>
> So do most people.
>
> : >She's Australian.
>
> : Yeah, but we _think_ she's British, so that counts. Dance of victory!!!
> : High five!!! We rule!
Sorry, from now on I'm going to have to lead a concerted campaign to get
people to believe she's American. Wasn't she in a film with Pauly Shore
recently? Isn't Pauly Shore one of yours? Ahem.
> No, that's Princess Diana you're thinking of.
Slutbitchwitchcowslagmaretarthagwhore.
But she does a lot of good work for charity.
> : >> That's why we now have 74 different cable channels. And the UK has 4.
> : >
> : >We have three great channels, the three best channels in the world
> : >producing the best television in the world. We also have ITV, but that's
> : >just there to remind us how great the other three channels are. I'd
> : >rather have three channels and be spoilt for choice than have 74 channels
> : >and nothing to watch.
>
> : Well, we've got several good shows over here: Living Single, ER, Law and
> : Order, Homicide, The X-Files, Profiler, Mad TV, Frasier, Cybil, Ellen, and
> : the epitome of trashy TV soap operas, SAVANNAH!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!
Yeah, and we can watch all of those shows on JUST FOUR CHANNELS. Can't
ask better than that, can you? Okay, we don't get Living Single or
Profiler or Mad TV, but I've never heard of them, so I'll survive. And we
still produce the worlds finest drama, wildlife, news, documentary and
childrens programming. And we have better adverts. And less of them, on
less channels, better spaced out, with a warning when the show is about
to restart so you can take the video off pause. Of course, most of our
comedies are crap, but we produced Monty Python, so we have to be
forgiven.
> : >You produced Rob Liefeld. We prodiced Ian Churchill. We win.
> : >
>
> : Nonononono.
>
> : We produced Pearl Jam. You produced Oasis. We win by default. (Pearl
> : Jam _has_ had one good album.)
>
> But we've got the Spice Girls. So there.
Yeah.
Uh... hang about...
Let's try a different tack.
We have Anthony Hopkins, you have Anthony Perkins.
We have Jane Austen, you have John Grisham.
We have the BBC, you have Infomercials.
We have mad cows, you have LA.
We have Rugby, you have shoulderpads.
We have a slowly recovering economy, you have Disneyland.
We have Shakespeare, you... weren't around back then.
We gave birth to Chris Claremont, Alan Davis, that scary Moore fellow,
Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis (or is he Irish, I can't remember?), Peter
Milligan (Magneto notwithstanding), youname'em wemade'em. You created
Rob and BOB. This bit was on-topic.
We keep our head in a crisis, you go on TV.
We have a few high quality serial killers, you have a boring run of the
mill one living in every other neighbourhood.
We have high standards of education, you have sports scholarships.
We have a Queen, you have RuPaul.
We have Irish beer, you have the Irish.
We have beer, you don't.
We took in India, Africa, Australasia and South East Asia, you took in
Ivana Trump and Zsa Zsa Gabor.
We have David Copperfield, you have David Copperfield.
We go to established churches, you establish new ones in your front
rooms.
We gave you Downtown Julie Brown and kept Kate Adie. You gave us Laura
Kightlinger and kept Ricki Lake.
We've done our rise and fall and are beginning to feel much better thank
you. You've only just begun.
We're still funding Due South. You're not.
On the other hand...
You have Brad Pitt, we have Ingrid Pitt.
You have Steven Spielberg, we have Michael Winner.
You were the principal opponent to the USSR's terrifying nuclear threat,
we were the principal opponent to Iceland's terrifying fishing threat.
You have Hawaii, we have Guernsey.
You won the Olympics, we got all excited about some Irish swimmer.
You let the Spice Girls into your charts at number 12, we gave them the
number one slot. Three times.
You're near Canada, we're near France.
You lead the world in many fields of endeavour, we remember when all this
were fields.
However, we never claim to see the Virgin Mary in the reflection of the
sun on a skyscraper window, and even if we did we wouldn't cry and wail
about it, we'd say "how curious" and stroll on by. We win.
Andrew Wheeler - Diplomat.