Thoughts on Utopia?
Patrick
coming for a while.
Anyway, what do you think about the Utopia storyline and what may come from
it?
I didn't think it was possible when the character was introduced, but I like
the way Daken is written (especially in the Dark Wolverine book), so I'm
even more curious to see the meeting/fight between him and X-23 (whatever
happened to her "Talon" codename?).
I am guessing that the scientists working with Hank will find a way to
partially reverse M-day. So we will get some repowered mutants like
Magneto, and I am hopping Dani Moonstar and the Blob.
Also, I'm guessing that Hank will soon be Simian-Beast and not Cat-Beast
soon. I hope so. I never understood the reason why Morrison and/or
Claremont wanted him to be a cat.
I do not like the direction that the writers are taking Aurora...MPD stories
and mind manipulation...again.
Of this topic, but I am glad that Warlock and Doug will appear in the New
Mutants soon. I just hope Doug stays around after the story is over. Now,
if we can only get Rahne away from X-Force. If she isn't going to be in
X-Factor, she should be in the New Mutants.
Just some thoughts....
Patrick
grinningdemon
<lodest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Is this group still active? Not sure if its my feeder, but nothing has been
>coming for a while.
It has kind of died lately but I think there are still some lurkers.
>
>Anyway, what do you think about the Utopia storyline and what may come from
>it?
I have serious issues with the premise of Dark Reign but I am enjoying
this storyline...although it strikes me that the Dark Avengers really
don't need to be there...they have very little to do (aside from
Osborn) and it really comes off as more of an X-Men/Dark X-Men
storyline.
>
>I didn't think it was possible when the character was introduced, but I like
>the way Daken is written (especially in the Dark Wolverine book), so I'm
>even more curious to see the meeting/fight between him and X-23 (whatever
>happened to her "Talon" codename?).
I don't like Daken at all...it's like they decided that having
Wolverine in 99% of their books wasn't enough so they needed
Wolverine-lite to appear in those last few books they can't figure out
a way to shove Logan into.
I do like X-23 though and am glad to see the character developing in
her own right...but I don't remember her ever using the name
Talon...when was that?
>
>I am guessing that the scientists working with Hank will find a way to
>partially reverse M-day. So we will get some repowered mutants like
>Magneto, and I am hopping Dani Moonstar and the Blob.
I don't think Dani really needs her powers back...I love the character
but she's one of those that is just as interesting with or without her
powers...they've just never been that important...in fact, I kind of
wish they had de-powered a few of the other more prominent
x-characters but continued to keep them around like they have Dani and
Rictor (a character I have never liked at all)...I don't care about
the Blob but I think it's a safe bet that, one way or other, Magneto
will eventually get his powers back.
>
>Also, I'm guessing that Hank will soon be Simian-Beast and not Cat-Beast
>soon. I hope so. I never understood the reason why Morrison and/or
>Claremont wanted him to be a cat.
Let's face it, between the two of them, it's pretty freakin' obvious
who has more influence in comics these days so I'd say it's a near
certainty Morrison came up with cat-beast. And who can understand why
Morrison does anything?
>
>I do not like the direction that the writers are taking Aurora...MPD stories
>and mind manipulation...again.
>
>Of this topic, but I am glad that Warlock and Doug will appear in the New
>Mutants soon. I just hope Doug stays around after the story is over. Now,
>if we can only get Rahne away from X-Force. If she isn't going to be in
>X-Factor, she should be in the New Mutants.
In my opinion, the problem with more or less reuniting the classic New
Mutants line-up is the same one DC has been having with Titans
lately...it's not enough to just get the band back together...there
need to be one or two new(er) elements thrown in to create a fresh
dynamic...they should mix in a couple characters from Generation X or
the New X-Men, since hardly any of them are appearing anywhere
regularly at the moment...or possibly bring in someone entirely new.
Patrick
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:15:18 +0900, "Patrick"
> <lodest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Is this group still active? Not sure if its my feeder, but nothing has
>>been
>>coming for a while.
>
> It has kind of died lately but I think there are still some lurkers.
>
>>
>>Anyway, what do you think about the Utopia storyline and what may come
>>from
>>it?
>
> I have serious issues with the premise of Dark Reign but I am enjoying
> this storyline...although it strikes me that the Dark Avengers really
> don't need to be there...they have very little to do (aside from
> Osborn) and it really comes off as more of an X-Men/Dark X-Men
> storyline.
>
>>
>>I didn't think it was possible when the character was introduced, but I
>>like
>>the way Daken is written (especially in the Dark Wolverine book), so I'm
>>even more curious to see the meeting/fight between him and X-23 (whatever
>>happened to her "Talon" codename?).
>
> I don't like Daken at all...it's like they decided that having
> Wolverine in 99% of their books wasn't enough so they needed
> Wolverine-lite to appear in those last few books they can't figure out
> a way to shove Logan into.
>
I understand how you feel...but I think the writers are finding a way to
make him different from Logan.
> I do like X-23 though and am glad to see the character developing in
> her own right...but I don't remember her ever using the name
> Talon...when was that?
>
Remember when X-23 was introduced? Some people complained about a female
Wolverine, even calling her Wolverine-girl. I think Daken is the same.
Personally, I don't think Daken was needed since he seems more like a clone
of X-23 than of Wolverine (two claws on top, one somewhere else?), but since
he's here, I'm glad the writers are trying to make him different. His
hatred of Wolverine doesn't make sense at all..so I do hope it's all a part
of his manipulating people.
I don't remember when X-23 was called Talon exactly, but it was during the
New Mutants/New X-Men or whatever the book was called at the time. Her bio
on the Marvel site does list it as an alias so it's "out there" somewhere.
It could have been a case like Dani's "Psyche" or Kitty's "Sprite" names:
used briefly and then discarded.
Patrick
grinningdemon
And I appreciate the attempt but I'm just so ubelievably sick of
Wolverine these days that Daken really never had a chance...X-23 is
different enough (and, until recently, distanced enough) from
Wolverine that I actually came to like the character.
>
>> I do like X-23 though and am glad to see the character developing in
>> her own right...but I don't remember her ever using the name
>> Talon...when was that?
>>
>Remember when X-23 was introduced? Some people complained about a female
>Wolverine, even calling her Wolverine-girl. I think Daken is the same.
>Personally, I don't think Daken was needed since he seems more like a clone
>of X-23 than of Wolverine (two claws on top, one somewhere else?), but since
>he's here, I'm glad the writers are trying to make him different. His
>hatred of Wolverine doesn't make sense at all..so I do hope it's all a part
>of his manipulating people.
There are a couple of key differences between X-23 and Daken (other
than the obvious)...first off, X-23 was introduced to comics in
stories that were (for the most part) actually GOOD...and was already
coming over from the X-Men Evolution cartoon that was fairly
popular...Daken, on the other hand, was introduced not long after X-23
so it just comes off as Marvel trying to set up some kind of retarded
Wolverine family...furthermore, he was introduced in Wolverine Origins
and I have yet to meet anyone who actually likes that book...it
boggles my mind that it hasn't been cancelled...I can only chalk it up
to the nameless masses out there that are idiotic enough to buy a book
simply because Wolverine is in it.
>
>I don't remember when X-23 was called Talon exactly, but it was during the
>New Mutants/New X-Men or whatever the book was called at the time. Her bio
>on the Marvel site does list it as an alias so it's "out there" somewhere.
>It could have been a case like Dani's "Psyche" or Kitty's "Sprite" names:
>used briefly and then discarded.
>
>Patrick
>
As far as I know, I've read every X-23 appearance (even the "League of
Losers" arc from the aborted Marvel Team-Up) and I don't recall the
name Talon ever coming up at all.
mimf
>
> As far as I know, I've read every X-23 appearance (even the "League of
> Losers" arc from the aborted Marvel Team-Up) and I don't recall the
> name Talon ever coming up at all.
I think it was mentioned once at the end of one of her mini-series,
and never mentioned again.
mimf
>
> I don't think Dani really needs her powers back...I love the character
> but she's one of those that is just as interesting with or without her
> powers...they've just never been that important...in fact, I kind of
> wish they had de-powered a few of the other more prominent
> x-characters but continued to keep them around like they have Dani and
> Rictor (a character I have never liked at all)...I don't care about
> the Blob but I think it's a safe bet that, one way or other, Magneto
> will eventually get his powers back.
>
I think he already did -- in whichever X-book featured him working with
the High Evolutionary. They built some sort of machine and Magneto went
inside it and it blew up and Magneto appeared amidst the smoke,
unscathed and with his powers back. At least that's what it looked like.
grinningdemon
I remember that one but we'll have to wait for the next appearance to
see how that all plays out...they already used a non-mutant cheat to
bring Polaris' powers back but I can't really see them doing that with
Magneto...it kind of needs to be a true mutant for the character to
work.
YKW (ad hoc)
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I kinda think it'd be fun to have Mags keep up the mutant-terrorist-
leader schtick for public (and mutant) consumption (either via some other
mutant actually performing his deeds, or via technological means), only
to have him actually be baseline-human himself -- and for that to then be
exposed.
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Billy Bissette
> On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:01:17 -0400, mimf <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
I doubt any of the current writers remember Polaris and Sunspot
got their powers back by other means, anyway.
By the way, did any writer ever bother following up on Magneto
getting the diary after Messiah Complex? Or was that supposed to
be what got him teamed up with the High Evolutionary or something?
Billy Bissette
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It was used in the miniseries that was supposed to bridge the gap
between NYX and Uncanny X-Men, the one that had Kimura.
I recall only seeing it used in a couple of books total, both
from Yost.
grinningdemon
Probably not...but it's possible that it could come up now that
Polaris is hanging with the Starjammers and showing up outside of the
normal x-books.
Did Sunspot lose his powers too? I don't remember that or how he got
them back.
>
> By the way, did any writer ever bother following up on Magneto
>getting the diary after Messiah Complex? Or was that supposed to
>be what got him teamed up with the High Evolutionary or something?
We still don't know what's up with Magneto and High
Evolutionary...that one appearance is all we've seen of that pairing
and nothing was explained...the only other Magneto appearance we've
had post-MC was the beginning of X-Men Legacy with Magneto hanging
around with the Acolytes...but that was all focused on Xavier and
Exodus kicked him to the curb for not having any powers so we really
don't know anything yet.
Billy Bissette
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Bleah, I didn't mean Sunspot. I meant Sunfire. Too many sun and
fire based characters in comics to keep them all straight.
Sunfire lost his powers to Rogue before M-Day, and Apocalypse
restored and enhanced them (along with replacing his missing limbs)
when turning him into Famine. From what I recall, his power
restoration seemed to be by similar artificial means as Polaris?
grinningdemon
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
Right...I do remember Sunfire...but I thought Apocalypse gave Polaris
different powers to make her Pestilence...I honestly don't remember
the specifics of how she got the magnetic powers back...I just
remember Brubaker making a big deal out of her being different at the
beginning of his X-Men run and then it never came up again.
On a side note, am I the only one who misses Rogue having the Ms.
Marvel powers? I bring it up because the Sunfire bit seemed to be a
move toward bringing Rogue a little bit back to that...but then it was
quickly dropped.
Patrick
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I do miss Rogue with Ms. Marvel powers. Let's see if there are any
changes to her powers now that she is in full control.
And it seems that Dani will become a Valkerie again. I'm happy about that.
Let's see where the writers take that.
Patrick
grinningdemon
It just seems wrong for her to have full control of her powers...not
being able to control them is a big part of her
characters/personality...much like Cyclops...if you take that away,
the character really loses something...but I guess we'll see how it
goes.
>And it seems that Dani will become a Valkerie again. I'm happy about that.
>Let's see where the writers take that.
I'm more curious about what her deal is with Hela...because I highly
doubt Scott sent her there just to become a Valkyrie...I'm thinking
someone's coming back from the dead.
Billy Bissette
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> Right...I do remember Sunfire...but I thought Apocalypse gave Polaris
> different powers to make her Pestilence...I honestly don't remember
> the specifics of how she got the magnetic powers back...I just
> remember Brubaker making a big deal out of her being different at the
> beginning of his X-Men run and then it never came up again.
Apocalypse duplicated Polaris' lost magnetism powers in addition to
whatever he did to her to make her into Pestilence. The start of the
Vulcan arc had her willing to go in part because she was too dangerous
on earth, as she hadn't learned fine control of the magnitism powers.
(And, uhm, traveling through space in a small metal ship with your
friends is a *better* place to be to learn to control your magnetism
powers?)
Sunfire had his fire and flight restored (along with getting new
limbs), and got a power boost in the ability to use his fire powers
to produce light waves that would make people sick. While never
removed, I doubt we will ever see this power again.
Gambit, who never lost his original powers, got his whole
knock-out/poison gas ability and a skin color change. For reasons
never explained, he got I guess Mr. Sinister to remove them both.
(Because, uhm, its better to *not* be able to emit knock-out gas?)
Gazer got bulked up. I don't recall if he had lost his original
mutation (I think he did?), but I don't think there was ever any
scene where radiation resistance mattered for War.
On a side note, I don't recall that the book ever actually
detailed what her Pestilence ability was. She was a carrier for
a bunch of diseases, but that wasn't really her power, as she
had to go infect herself. Presumably she was at least somewhat
resistant to them, as she didn't immediately drop dead, but
from her appearance she also apparently wasn't immune. Maybe she
had some partial control over them, so that she didn't
immediately infect everyone next to her? *shrug* It was never
really clear. And likely won't ever be addressed again, not
since the X-Men removed the diseases she carried at the end of
the Apocalypse arc.
Patrick
"grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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True. I think Dani becoming a Valkyrie is probably the price of the favor
Scott is asking for. Still, I'm looking forward to her riding on a winged
horse again. So if Scott wants to bring someone back, who would it be?
Jean would be the too obvious choice so probably not her. Could it be
someone close to Norman, like Emily Osborn--Norman's first wife? That could
be interesting since Norman's life changed after she died, and that would
create a good bit of drama with Menace, and let a good thing happen to Harry
for a change.
Just curious, but does anyone know how Valkyrie, the one who hangs out with
She-Hulk, stayed around after Asgard was destroyed and remade on Earth? I
thought Thor had to 'wake up' the Asgardians to bring them back.
Also interesting how Marvel has many characters based on/powered by the
Norse pantheon. I wonder if there is a good story where the mortals with
Asgardian powers get together.
Patrick
grinningdemon
It was a pretty lame arc anyway so I'm not sorry to see it ignored or
retconned...same goes for the rest of Milligan's run...and it goes
double for Austen's preceding run.
grinningdemon
<lodest...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jean IS too obvious...plus, it wouldn't track with all that white-room
nonsense (I don't even think she's really dead at this point so much
as a higher state of being)...and her return would likely be an event
on its own.
I wouldn't get your hopes up about anything happening in the x-books
impacting spiderman...typically only the biggest regular Marvel
storylines (like Dark Reign) have any impact over in x-land and, even
then, the impact is usually limited TO x-land.
>
>Just curious, but does anyone know how Valkyrie, the one who hangs out with
>She-Hulk, stayed around after Asgard was destroyed and remade on Earth? I
>thought Thor had to 'wake up' the Asgardians to bring them back.
Did she stick around? I don't remember her appearing while the
Asgardians were dead...she could have easily returned when the rest
returned.
>
>Also interesting how Marvel has many characters based on/powered by the
>Norse pantheon. I wonder if there is a good story where the mortals with
>Asgardian powers get together.
There's probably even more linked to the Greek/Roman side of things.
I don't remember a storyline bringing together mortals powered by the
Asgardians but there was that storyline back during Heroes Reborn
(when Thor was missing from the main Marvel Univerese) when the title
reverted to Journey into Mystery where all the Asgardians were turned
into mortals that didn't remember being Asgardians...not all that
different from JMS' version, in retrospect.
~consul
>> Wolverine in 99% of their books wasn't enough so they needed
>> Wolverine-lite to appear in those last few books they can't figure out
>> a way to shove Logan into.
> I understand how you feel...but I think the writers are finding a way to
> make him different from Logan.
He is a pretty interesting character when he is solo. I really like Dark Wolverine and his schenanigans and power plays.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
grinningdemon
<con...@dolphins-coveINVALID.com> wrote:
>and thus Patrick inscribed ...
>> "grinningdemon" <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> I don't like Daken at all...it's like they decided that having
>>> Wolverine in 99% of their books wasn't enough so they needed
>>> Wolverine-lite to appear in those last few books they can't figure out
>>> a way to shove Logan into.
>> I understand how you feel...but I think the writers are finding a way to
>> make him different from Logan.
>
>He is a pretty interesting character when he is solo. I really like Dark Wolverine and his schenanigans and power plays.
The problem I have with that book is that it's not how he has been
portrayed up until now (it kind of comes out of nowhere)...and
Moonstone is the traditional manipulator and schemer on that team...it
fits her character so much better...and the Ms. Marvel book isn't even
acknowledging any of that characterization...it's ass-backards.