Stern says: Rich is Wrong! (was Rich's Rumblings: Late October)
RogLStern
Okay, since the previous posting seems to have disappeared into the ozone, I'll
try to recreate it.
It all began when Rich Johnston (tw...@easynet.co.uk) wrote ...
>
>Stern's Return
>
>Roger Stern's return to Marvel, after 10 years has an interesting >history,
and what better forum than a rumour column to spread >such scurrilous
information...
>
Not so scurrilous, really ... not even information. More of a fantasy
actually!
>It's been reported that Stren left Marvel in a righftful huff after >the
recent editor-in-chief, Tom DeFalco rewrote the end of the >X-Men vs Avengers
four parter in 1987.
>
Totally incorrect.
1) Tom was not yet editor in chief when X-Men vs Avengers was produced.
2) Tom was tapped to script the last issue all by himself (I never
touched it), after a previously-agreed- to plot was changed by editorial fiat.
3) And, of course, I didn't leave in a huff. I continued to work at
Marvel full-time ... until I was finally fired from the Avengers in May of
1987.
> The series, written as a sequel to X-Men 200's Trial Of
>Magneto ... (snip) ... was to end with Magneto's death.
Again, incorrect! The story was supposed to end with Magneto showing himself
for the bastard he really was.
> DeFalco's changing instructions led to Stern and artist Marc >Silvestri (now
Top Cow, but that's another story) leaving DeFalco
>and artist Keuth Pollard to write the concluding chapter.
Still incorrect. After the plot was changed on me (-not- by Tom), I decided
the miniseries was too much grief to deal with any further. And Marc was
yanked away from the miniseries to draw Uncanny X-Men, which was in need of a
penciler.
>Roger Stern has however, made a number of recent attempts to >get back into
Marvel.
Actually, I've been connected with a number of projects for Marvel over the
past ten years. Scripting Speedball and writing the Doctor Strange/Doctor
Doom graphic novel ... and an X-Men story which has yet to see print ...
among other things. In each case, Marvel has approached me. (Very
flattering, really.)
>The Power Corps series became Heroes For Hire by John >Ostrander.
Hey, how about that! Rich actually got one right!
>Artists tipped include Pat Oliff, Ron Frenz and Gil Kane
I have no idea what this means. ("Hey, Pat ... Ron ... Gil! Nice job! Here's
a tip!") As far as I know, none of these three gentlemen have been approached
about contibuting to my new title, Marvel Universe ... though they'd all be
good choices for stories!
At any rate, I fail to see the point of this particular "Rich's Rumbling" other
than to confuse people needlessly. Rich, if you want to post a "history" of
anything, you should get your facts straight first.
You know, check your sources and ask people questions. We'll give you a
straight answer. Really!
-- Roger Stern
Rich Johnston
In article <19971108174...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
rogl...@aol.com (RogLStern) wrote:
>
>
>
> At any rate, I fail to see the point of this particular "Rich's Rumbling"
other
> than to confuse people needlessly. Rich, if you want to post a "history" of
> anything, you should get your facts straight first.
>
> You know, check your sources and ask people questions. We'll give you a
> straight answer. Really!
Thanks for the reply Roger!
Rich's Rumblings is a rumour column, the Roger Steren section was taken
from a British comics journalist's work, and you've just taken part in
its interactive nature by putting things straight.
As ever, RR never makes anything up, but puts stories making the rounds
onto the internet for people to clear up, amend or offer their
perspective. looks like another successful outing to me.
BTW, after Roger's first post, I was able to e-mail him and suggest he
write something for the next RR post, but to no reply.
Till next time, with some news about a British/French comic finally
making its mark!
And how much Tintin has Scott Lobdell read, anyway?
Rich johnston
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Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
[Posted and e-mailed.]
Roger Stern (rogl...@aol.com) delurked to note:
: Okay, since the previous posting seems to have disappeared into the ozone, I'll
: try to recreate it.
: It all began when Rich Johnston (tw...@easynet.co.uk) wrote ...
: >Stern's Return
: >
: >Roger Stern's return to Marvel, after 10 years has an interesting >history,
: and what better forum than a rumour column to spread >such scurrilous
: information...
: Not so scurrilous, really ... not even information. More of a fantasy
: actually!
They're called "rumo(u)rs," Roger. Rich has admitted time and again that
the great majority of stuff he posts isn't factual. We've had whole
threads questioning his wisdom in doing so, in fact. Why he didn't at
least run this one by you *privately* for confirmation or refutation prior
to posting is beyond me; it's not like you're unreachable.
[large snip of an impressive litany of nonfacts and corrections thereto]
: >Roger Stern has however, made a number of recent attempts to get back
: >into Marvel.
: Actually, I've been connected with a number of projects for Marvel over the
: past ten years.
This confused me too. I don't think there's ever been a time when you've
been on the outs with either of the Big Two companies. There's a big
difference between having creative disagreements with an editor or two
(which it doesn't even really seem like you've had) and not working for a
company altogether!
: >The Power Corps series became Heroes For Hire by John Ostrander.
: Hey, how about that! Rich actually got one right!
Yay Rich! Someone give that boy a cookie! :)
: >Artists tipped include Pat Oliff, Ron Frenz and Gil Kane
: I have no idea what this means. ("Hey, Pat ... Ron ... Gil! Nice job! Here's
: a tip!")
Maybe it's British for "tapped." You know they all tawk funny over dere.
: At any rate, I fail to see the point of this particular "Rich's Rumbling" other
: than to confuse people needlessly.
I'm inclined to believe that *was* the point. "Believe what you want."
No service has been performed here.
: Rich, if you want to post a "history" of
: anything, you should get your facts straight first.
: You know, check your sources and ask people questions. We'll give you a
: straight answer. Really!
Where were you during all those "Rich Johnston: Threat Or Menace" threads
anyway when we went over this the first time, huh? :)
- Elayne
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Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
Rich Johnston (tw...@easynet.co.uk) wrote:
: Rich's Rumblings is a rumour column...
Bad idea, as of course you know by now. :)
: the Roger Steren section was taken
: from a British comics journalist's work...
Whose?
: and you've just taken part in
: its interactive nature by putting things straight.
And meanwhile everyone who has never seen and WILL never see Roger's
correction, but only sees the original, laden-with-untruths-and-nonfacts
column, will think ill of Roger. I ask again, Rich, as I've asked
before-- what possible service do you think you're performing here?
: As ever, RR never makes anything up, but puts stories making the rounds
: onto the internet for people to clear up, amend or offer their
: perspective. looks like another successful outing to me.
I think your perspective is skewed. You have just been taking to task for
spreading rumors. Your response should have been "Sorry I spread a
rumor," not "Thanks, isn't my rumor column a great thing?"
jsm...@imap1.asu.edu
RogLStern (rogl...@aol.com) wrote:
: 2) Tom was tapped to script the last issue all by himself (I never
: touched it), after a previously-agreed- to plot was changed by editorial
: fiat.
Ooh, ooh! Any chance we'll ever see "Magneto Lives!" the Limited Series? :)
Seriously, I'm curious what was originally planned, if you can tell. That
was a pretty good LS overall; the artwork in 4 kind of turned me off, but...
: Again, incorrect! The story was supposed to end with Magneto showing himself
: for the bastard he really was.
See what happens when you don't read the whole post before replying? Grr...
So how was Maggy going to revert to type?
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Michael Doran
tw...@easynet.co.uk (Rich Johnston) wrote:
<<As ever, RR never makes anything up, but puts stories making the
rounds
onto the internet for people to clear up, amend or offer their
perspective. looks like another successful outing to me.>>
Rich, if you are actually sincere about this, as you continue to clain
you are, might I suggest WORDING your stories so that it is VERY CLEAR to
everyone you may well not know what the hell you are talking about.
A DISCLAIMER isn't really the answer, when the working of what you print
implies that you have accurate information.
Perhaps if you change your style and compose your columns making it
implicitely clear that you have no facts, only hearsay, and conjecture,
there would be less confusion and incidents such as these, which pardon
me saying so, I consider quite ugly...
m.
Rich Johnston
In article <6451rb$d...@panix.com>,
fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>
> Rich Johnston (tw...@easynet.co.uk) wrote:
>
> : Rich's Rumblings is a rumour column...
>
> Bad idea, as of course you know by now. :)
Er.. sorry/ Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
> : the Roger Steren section was taken
> : from a British comics journalist's work...
>
> Whose?
Nope, sorry. If anyone else who has read the article cares to point it
out, that's fine. I'm not.
> : and you've just taken part in
> : its interactive nature by putting things straight.
>
> And meanwhile everyone who has never seen and WILL never see Roger's
> correction, but only sees the original, laden-with-untruths-and-nonfacts
> column, will think ill of Roger. I ask again, Rich, as I've asked
> before-- what possible service do you think you're performing here?
Taking Roger's reply and putting it on the next RR (which I e-mailed him
about). Also, this story was out there before I touched it, read by
thousands. It's now been refuted and the answer is there to read.
> I think your perspective is skewed. You have just been taking to task for
> spreading rumors. Your response should have been "Sorry I spread a
> rumor," not "Thanks, isn't my rumor column a great thing?"
Yes, I spread rumours, because
a) rumours are often right
b) rumours are often half right and the correct story will then emerge.
c) rumours are often wrong and then they can be corrected.
If Elmo or anyone cares to rewrite the disclaimer, they are more than
welcome.
But I'm bloody well not doing that vote again (for the memory impaired,
100 to 4 in favour of RR).
Rich Johnston London Advertising Copywriter for Peter Kane Ltd. New full
time job! Pays more than the last one! More comics!
John C. Kirk
In article <6451m5$d...@panix.com>, Elayne Wechsler-Chaput
<fire...@panix.com> writes
>: >Artists tipped include Pat Oliff, Ron Frenz and Gil Kane
>
>: I have no idea what this means. ("Hey, Pat ... Ron ... Gil! Nice job! Here's
>: a tip!")
>
>Maybe it's British for "tapped." You know they all tawk funny over dere.
Well, in this context it means "three artists likely to be chosen for
this title are ...". I don't know whether this means the same as
"tapped", as I only speak the Queen's English, not that colonial rubbish
:-)
John
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I believe the technical term is ... "Oops"! (The Amazing Spider-Man)
Mikko Aittola
tw...@easynet.co.uk (Rich Johnston) writes:
> And how much Tintin has Scott Lobdell read, anyway?
The evil part in me says Tintin (in FF #1, which I haven't
read yet) was Alan's idea...
/Mikko
Mark Schlesinger
In article <8791927...@dejanews.com>,
Rich Johnston <tw...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <6451rb$d...@panix.com>,
> fire...@panix.com (Elayne Wechsler-Chaput) wrote:
>>
>> Rich Johnston (tw...@easynet.co.uk) wrote:
>>
>> : Rich's Rumblings is a rumour column...
>>
>> Bad idea, as of course you know by now. :)
>
>Er.. sorry/ Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
>
just learned how to spell rumor. :)
Mark
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