Super-speed
Bob
super-speed to those that don't is that for it to work, they also have
to be THINKING in super-speed as well. In reality, Superman vs. the
Hulk (or Quicksilver vs. Batman, for that matter) wouldn't be much of
a fight because they operate in almost a different dimension
time-wise.
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Hah, otherwise, every time you want to use your power...
"Quick! Must save tow- <SMASH> Ouch! Damn wall! Now, to save the-
<CLANG-crash-BOOM> -rashcans! Damn it!"
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> > One thing you have to remember when comparing characters who have
> > super-speed to those that don't is that for it to work, they also have
> > to be THINKING in super-speed as well. In reality, Superman vs. the
> > Hulk (or Quicksilver vs. Batman, for that matter) wouldn't be much of
> > a fight because they operate in almost a different dimension
> > time-wise.
>
> Hah, otherwise, every time you want to use your power...
>
> "Quick! Must save tow- <SMASH> Ouch! Damn wall! Now, to save the-
> <CLANG-crash-BOOM> -rashcans! Damn it!"
Well, Superman and Quicksilver have shown that they have
hyper-reflexes and have shown that they're speed readers, hence the
fluidity in coordination between thinking, seeing and acting. Flash,
if he's to achieve the quantum-levels of hyper-speed, must think
within some sort of field that negates time. Perhaps the Speed Force
does this?
Ken from Chicago
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Speedsters, especially DC Comics speedsters have to have INDEPENDENT control
over speed-thinking--especially considering that speedsters tend to be
rather impatient. Consider: if you can run around the planet at superspeed,
if your thinking matches your movement--then SUBJECTIVELY running around the
planet takes as long as it would for the average person. No way
Quicksilver--much less Wally West--could stand for that. Running is fairly
reflexive, so basically a superspeedster could essentially "cruise" at say
running 100x normal, while their thinking is merely 10x or 20x normal.
Of course a balance has to be maintained between thinking speed so that one
doesn't run too fast for one to respond while not thinking too fast that
subjective time slows down too much as to be interminable.
-- Ken from Chicago
Mikel Midnight
from Chicago <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> Consider: if you can run around the planet at superspeed,
> if your thinking matches your movement--then SUBJECTIVELY running around the
> planet takes as long as it would for the average person. No way
> Quicksilver--much less Wally West--could stand for that. Running is fairly
> reflexive, so basically a superspeedster could essentially "cruise" at say
> running 100x normal, while their thinking is merely 10x or 20x normal.
You're the only other person I know who's commented on this - it's
something that's bothered me for years.
DC's Laurel Kent, a 30's century descendent of Superman who shares his
invulnerability but has no other powers, could also run across the
planet since she wouldn't tire or drown, but she'd probably die of
sheer boredom.
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~consul
> Of course a balance has to be maintained between thinking speed so that one
> doesn't run too fast for one to respond while not thinking too fast that
> subjective time slows down too much as to be interminable.
I think it's sort of been established that Pietro thinks in a faster speed.
Since he's not super sonic, he doesn't have that much of a 'faster thought'
((though that may be really relative - 'faster than the speed of light
thought')). Anyways, he is immensely impatient with everyone, as he has said
that he sees everything in that fast mode, and that he has to train himself
strongly to slow down to interact with others. It's the main source of his
arrogance and cynicism. This was in PAD-Factor.
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Brian Doyle
"Mikel Midnight" <blak...@best.outdamnspam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ToWrb.18721$8x2.7...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>, Ken
> from Chicago <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> > Consider: if you can run around the planet at superspeed,
> > if your thinking matches your movement--then SUBJECTIVELY running around
the
> > planet takes as long as it would for the average person. No way
> > Quicksilver--much less Wally West--could stand for that. Running is
fairly
> > reflexive, so basically a superspeedster could essentially "cruise" at
say
> > running 100x normal, while their thinking is merely 10x or 20x normal.
>
> You're the only other person I know who's commented on this - it's
> something that's bothered me for years.
>
> DC's Laurel Kent, a 30's century descendent of Superman who shares his
> invulnerability but has no other powers, could also run across the
> planet since she wouldn't tire or drown, but she'd probably die of
> sheer boredom.
I thought her power was invulenrability to the extent her skin was
impervious, but she'd still be vulnerable to fatigue.
Brian Doyle
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
> > Of course a balance has to be maintained between thinking speed so that
one
> > doesn't run too fast for one to respond while not thinking too fast that
> > subjective time slows down too much as to be interminable.
>
> I think it's sort of been established that Pietro thinks in a faster
speed.
> Since he's not super sonic, he doesn't have that much of a 'faster
thought'
> ((though that may be really relative - 'faster than the speed of light
> thought')).
His powers were boosted waaaaay up by the High Evolutionary in the
Quicksilver series, he can now run across the surface of oceans carrying
someone without sinking, as he did when fetching Bruce Banner to Greece in
the Busiek and Perez Avengers.
Ken from Chicago
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Yes, after decades of being portrayed as arrogant, Peter David in a single
page of X-FACTOR explained and even humanized him:
"Do you know how it feels when you're at the bank and the line takes
forever? I feel that way all the time."--Pietro.
-- Ken from Chicago
Jim Longo
>
> Yes, after decades of being portrayed as arrogant, Peter David in a single
> page of X-FACTOR explained and even humanized him:
>
> "Do you know how it feels when you're at the bank and the line takes
> forever? I feel that way all the time."--Pietro.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
One of the best character stories ever written. Polaris' segment was
particularly well done.
j.
Scott Eiler
> Consider: if you can run around the planet at superspeed,
> if your thinking matches your movement--then SUBJECTIVELY running around the
> planet takes as long as it would for the average person. No way
> Quicksilver--much less Wally West--could stand for that.
Quicksilver maybe could, because he *loves* running.
The Flash, on the other hand, just sort of got struck by lightning and
lucked into his power. Maybe he's under a mind-numbing effect from the
Speed Force, that prevents him from experiencing every subjective
moment; maybe it's addictive. He *does* think fast enough to outwit the
fastest computer, but only when Batman nags him into it.
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Bill Bickel
> > Consider: if you can run around the planet at superspeed,
> > if your thinking matches your movement--then SUBJECTIVELY running around
the
> > planet takes as long as it would for the average person. No way
> > Quicksilver--much less Wally West--could stand for that.
Maybe he brings along as asbestos-lined book.
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Brian Doyle
>
> Speedsters, especially DC Comics speedsters have to have INDEPENDENT
control
> over speed-thinking--especially considering that speedsters tend to be
> rather impatient. Consider: if you can run around the planet at
superspeed,
> if your thinking matches your movement--then SUBJECTIVELY running around
the
> planet takes as long as it would for the average person. No way
> Quicksilver--much less Wally West--could stand for that.
Reminds me of the guy in the Wild Cards books who could transform himself
into light, but his "personal-timeframe" was subjective, so while he was
actually travelling at the speed of light, as far as he was concerned the
world had slowed down to a dead stop and he was barely moving himself. So a
trip to the moon would take seconds for from our POV, but as far as he was
concerned it would take weeks. I'd never seen that concept being presented
quite so well before.
Glenn Simpson
Since they introduced the idea that anything they speed-learn is soon
forgotten, maybe the boredom of the non-events of a long run is also
soon forgotten once they return to normal speed.
Brian Doyle
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> Since they introduced the idea that anything they speed-learn is soon
> forgotten, maybe the boredom of the non-events of a long run is also
> soon forgotten once they return to normal speed.
Except Impulse (I refuse to call him Kid Flash as yet) remembers everything
he learns, no matter what the speed he learned it at.
ed
Remember that 3-part Flash Elseworlds years ago: "Flashpoint"?
It's where Barry is shot and paralyzed but his mind still goes at super-speed?
~consul
> Since they introduced the idea that anything they speed-learn is soon
> forgotten, maybe the boredom of the non-events of a long run is also
> soon forgotten once they return to normal speed.
What about pain? That would suck as well. I like how in the recent ... crap,
??Teen Titans?? where Impulse broke his leg, and the doctors had to break it
again because it healed in seconds incorrectly. ((but why that would make
Impluse want to do the thing he did later, I have no idea))
Brian Doyle
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> Glenn Simpson wrote:
> > Since they introduced the idea that anything they speed-learn is soon
> > forgotten, maybe the boredom of the non-events of a long run is also
> > soon forgotten once they return to normal speed.
>
> What about pain?
Pain is a physical sensation, not intellectual knowledge, which is what was
being discussed as being lost quickly.
> That would suck as well. I like how in the recent ... crap,
> ??Teen Titans?? where Impulse broke his leg,
He didnt break it, he was shot in the kneecap by Deathstroke the Terminator.
> and the doctors had to break it
> again because it healed in seconds incorrectly. ((but why that would make
> Impluse want to do the thing he did later, I have no idea))
It wasn't so much that by itself, as the fact that Wally stated, within
unwitting earshot of Bart, he had no faith in Bart, and then Bart gets taken
down so easily that he felt impelled to do something about it. He felt he
had to prove himself to the Flash. Whether this was a good idea is another
matter. I want Impulse back, not Kid Flash II!
Scott Eiler
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>
>>((but why that would make
>>Impluse want to do the thing he did later, I have no idea))
>
> It wasn't so much that by itself, as the fact that Wally stated, within
> unwitting earshot of Bart, he had no faith in Bart, and then Bart gets taken
> down so easily that he felt impelled to do something about it. He felt he
> had to prove himself to the Flash. Whether this was a good idea is another
> matter. I want Impulse back, not Kid Flash II!
Impulse was an *interesting* character but not a sympathetic one. I
feel much more sympathetic for Kid Flash II, because I love it when
heroes actually grow up - or in any way grow as characters. I wish
Marvel would spend less time rolling back its own characters' growth
(with Hulks, for instance).
JS
> Impulse was an *interesting* character but not a sympathetic one.
Impulse was quite sympathetic in his own book. Especially in his
concern for his girlfriend (Carol?), Max, and his friends.
Brian Doyle
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> Impulse was an *interesting* character but not a sympathetic one.
Depends which issues you read. His original comic run had him very
sympathetic; out of place, out of his time (Trying to find the on switch on
his pencil, for example), trying his best but basically lonely.
> I feel much more sympathetic for Kid Flash II, because I love it when
> heroes actually grow up - or in any way grow as characters.
This is true, the Wolfman Titans had oodles of character development and
growth and were the better for it, and it maybe the happy go lucky Impulse
had run his course, but I just enver got that vibe off him.
Glenn Simpson
He does now. He didn't always.
And the fact that he now remembers what he learns doesn't change the
fact that he might still forget (since it's a benefit) the boredom of
a long run.
Brian Doyle
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> "Brian Doyle" <No_...@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > "Glenn Simpson" <gls36...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > Since they introduced the idea that anything they speed-learn is soon
> > > forgotten, maybe the boredom of the non-events of a long run is also
> > > soon forgotten once they return to normal speed.
> >
> > Except Impulse (I refuse to call him Kid Flash as yet) remembers
everything
> > he learns, no matter what the speed he learned it at.
>
> He does now. He didn't always.
He now says he always did, he just never got around to reading much before
now.
> And the fact that he now remembers what he learns doesn't change the
> fact that he might still forget (since it's a benefit) the boredom of
> a long run.
This is true.
~consul
>>>he learns, no matter what the speed he learned it at.
>>He does now. He didn't always.
> He now says he always did, he just never got around to reading much before now.
IIRC, when he was first in his own comic, they had stories of him in a hyper
fast learning vr so he could learn normally.
Brian Doyle
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> Brian Doyle wrote:
> > "Glenn Simpson" <gls36...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>Except Impulse (I refuse to call him Kid Flash as yet) remembers
everything
> >>>he learns, no matter what the speed he learned it at.
> >>He does now. He didn't always.
> > He now says he always did, he just never got around to reading much
before now.
>
> IIRC, when he was first in his own comic, they had stories of him in a
hyper
> fast learning vr so he could learn normally.
Not quite, he _had_ to be in VR because his entire body (and mind) was
operating at superspeed and couldn't be slowed down (Which is why he aged so
fast, leaving time travel aside, in terms of "actual time since he was born"
he's only about three or four years old tops). The only thing that could
react fast enough was the VR environment. As far as he was concerned he was
at normal speed and the rest of the world outside the VR tank was moving at
an indescribably slow speed.