[POLL] Greatest comic book artist of ALL TIME
GQ11479
Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
MicroZone
Yes, but it's like lifting Thor's hammer. Some can touch it, but only a very
few have ever been able to lift it. :-)
Will Eisner is really the only one that I can think of that matches Jack in my
book as the best of all time.
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Micr...@aol.com
GQ11479
damn, I think I need to start finding some of Eisner's work!! :-)
MicroZone
my favorites include:
The Dreamer, a pretty much autobiographical account of the early days of
comics. A MUST for anyone who loves comics history.
A Life Force & A Contract with God. Two books about a pre-WWII neighborhood in
New York. These are some of the most human and down-to-earth stories I've found
outside of Dickens. Which is a pretty good comparison now that I think about
it. ;-)
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Micr...@aol.com
John Langevin Jr.
GQ11479 wrote:
> Not just those ALIVE today....
>
> Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
I know I'm going to crusified for this, but...
I think there are a lot of artists better than Kirby. I don't think
Kirby had as great a sense of anatomy as other artists. Don't get me
wrong, I can appreciate what Kirby did. His run on Thor is one the
best. I think what Kirby did that no one else did as well was the
placement of characters and the layouts of the panels.
UltiMatt2
>Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
Don Heck. Always loved his stuff.
Ulti-Matt!, who thinks Joe Staton and Don Newton are pretty sharp, too
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GI Trekker
George Perez, John Byrne, John Buscema right off the top of my head.
I know this will result in massive flaming, but while I will always respect
Kirby's creativity, which is surely second to very few, if any, I was never at
any point impressed with his art style.
GI Trekker
although I wish he'd pick a project and stay with it for a while. I was
terribly upset when he left Fantastic Four after only three issues. I'm getting
really tired of artists that think some pseudo-manga look is the way to go. Too
much of that all over the place.
eastonbrown
GI Trekker wrote in message <19990122164015...@ng07.aol.com>...
>Oh, yeah, and Alan Davis. I've never seen anything from him that I didn't
like,
>although I wish he'd pick a project and stay with it for a while.
Alan has said himself (in Wizard recently) that he can do approximately 10
regular sized comic books a year. The problems that he experienced initially
in the US was that as an artist he was EXPECTED to do 12 twenty-two page
comics per year.
I believe that this is the main reason that he's now taking shorter term
contracts, limited series & one-shots.
Easton Brown.
DERVISH M
interiors int the last decade. I have never dislike a piece of art by him.
As far as the deceased--Alex Toth doesn't get mentioned enough
Terrafamilia
GQ11479 wrote:
> Not just those ALIVE today....
>
> Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
I guess manga artists don't count as comic book artists. Otherwise
who could fail to include the "God of Comics", Osamu Tezuka?
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Paulo Costa
UltiMatt2 <ulti...@aol.comGETBENT> escreveu no artigo
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> GQ11479 writes:
>
> >Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
>
And anyone who agrees that Heck was the worst comic book artist ever should
be slapped with a 2-BY-4.
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Michael B. Crampton
>>>Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?<<
>
>
>I know this will result in massive flaming, but while I will always respect
>Kirby's creativity, which is surely second to very few, if any, I was never
at
>any point impressed with his art style.
But the point with Kirby is not his style (which some may like and others
may not) but rather that he created an incredibley large portion of the
visual vocabulary of North American superhero comics. The way any of the
artists you mention visually approach telling a superhero story is based on
Kirby.
Mike Crampton.
Jaguar Wong
<cram...@cgocable.net> wrote:
And the fact that he could draw about 30 comics a month (just exagerating
here folks). His style was more about the flow of the work, and how the
action drew you into the plight of the hero, not about big breasts and
buff vigilantes.
Jaguar Wong
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John Langevin Jr.
Jaguar Wong wrote:
> And the fact that he [Kirby] could draw about 30 comics a month (just
> exageratinghere folks).
That is something that is amazing to me. I don't think there is anyone that could
come close to the amount of comics he drew in a month.
> His style was more about the flow of the work, and how the
> action drew you into the plight of the hero,
I totally agree.
JLJR
Nik
comic artists...but all his characters had the same features (except for
when he drew old people..then they all looked the same) and he could'nt do
black people too well either
I've probably made a lot of enemies here haven't I..gulp!
Nik
GQ11479 wrote in message <19990121180521...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Not just those ALIVE today....
>
>
Nik
Sorry
Nik
Paulo Costa wrote in message <01be46c7$3fbf7220$LocalHost@default>...
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>UltiMatt2 <ulti...@aol.comGETBENT> escreveu no artigo
><19990122151411...@ng140.aol.com>...
>> GQ11479 writes:
>>
>> >Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
>>
Lil' Spammer
was doing the Avengers. His art may have seemed a little too generic at
times, but all in all, he was still one of the founders of Marvel.
Nik wrote in message <78fqeg$6qp$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
Lil' Spammer
whether people like Don Heck and Steve Ditko were underrated). You have to
understand though; at the time Kirby was doing many more books than the
other artists, and most of them looked better (especially considering the
angles he used in his panels) than other artists'. The man worked really
hard to gain his reputation too, but sometimes it seems like people who
don't like him are considered to not understand comic book art. Manga
artists should definitely gain more consideration (and it'd be easier if
there weren't so many talentless Americans trying to "emulate" Manga art
instead of seeing many of the true Manga artists do more mainstream books).
Nik wrote in message <78fo2l$40p$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
>hey jack was good...and i know he's got an almost Godlike quality among
>comic artists...but all his characters had the same features (except for
>when he drew old people..then they all looked the same) and he could'nt do
>black people too well either
>
>I've probably made a lot of enemies here haven't I..gulp!
>
>Nik
>GQ11479 wrote in message <19990121180521...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>>Not just those ALIVE today....
>>
>>
Nik
doesnt make them good artists though..but..beauty is very much in the eye of
the beholder and I hope I don't really upset anyone with my comments..there
are just certain things with some artists that you can't quite put your
finger on that puts you off them. One of the things with me is sometimes
having difficulty following the story line because of the artwork or poor
layouts (I must add that was never a problem with Don heck)..but I do know
how difficult it is..I've tried it
Nik
Lil' Spammer wrote in message ...
>I still don't understand what anyone had against him, even way back when he
>was doing the Avengers. His art may have seemed a little too generic at
>times, but all in all, he was still one of the founders of Marvel.
>
>Nik wrote in message <78fqeg$6qp$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>...
>>Well DH was'nt the worst..but (whack..splinter) he was pretty rough!
>>
>>Sorry
>>
>>Nik
>>Paulo Costa wrote in message <01be46c7$3fbf7220$LocalHost@default>...
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>>>UltiMatt2 <ulti...@aol.comGETBENT> escreveu no artigo
>>><19990122151411...@ng140.aol.com>...
>>>> GQ11479 writes:
>>>>
>>>> >Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?
>>>>
Nik
used to do wonders with kirby's stuff..especially the original
FF/Galactus/Silver Surfer one..it actually looks better though in Balck and
white!)
Nik
GI Trekker wrote in message <19990122162032...@ng07.aol.com>...
>>>Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?<<
>
Nik
Ditko's style
Nik
Michael B. Crampton wrote in message <36aa1...@news.cgocable.net>...
>GI Trekker wrote in message <19990122162032...@ng07.aol.com>...
>>>>Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?<<
>>
>>George Perez, John Byrne, John Buscema right off the top of my head.
>>
>>I know this will result in massive flaming, but while I will always
respect
>>Kirby's creativity, which is surely second to very few, if any, I was
never
>at
>>any point impressed with his art style.
>
Jamie Coville
>>>Maybe I should rephrase this to: Can ANYONE touch KIRBY?<,
>
>Yes, but it's like lifting Thor's hammer. Some can touch it, but only a very
>few have ever been able to lift it. :-)
>
>Will Eisner is really the only one that I can think of that matches Jack in my
>book as the best of all time.
I'm sure many people would say Carl Barks is another.
But I don't think there is a 'best'. Just different styles. Can we say
Alex Ross is better than Kirby? I don't think so because what they do
is so different. Same goes for Frank Frazzatta, etc..
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RussDalton
>comic artists...but all his characters had the same features (except for
>when he drew old people..then they all looked the same) and he could'nt do
IMHO Kirby's great strength was his storytelling. Those old silver age comics
when Kirby did layouts and other (perhaps lesser) artists did finishes still
had great drama. I think I could have enjoyed Kirby stories if he just did
stick figure layouts and then Stan Lee dialogued over them. Kirby's full page
splashes always served dramatic effect, and thus were great. But they were not
terrific poster art. Perhaps that saved him from the temptation to draw a
series of poster panels that do not serve the story. That is the downfall of
many talented artists today.
Russ Dalton
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Terrafamilia
Jamie Coville wrote:
> But I don't think there is a 'best'. Just different styles. Can we say
> Alex Ross is better than Kirby? I don't think so because what they do
> is so different. Same goes for Frank Frazzatta, etc..
If you expand from comic "books" and include comic "strips" you add such great
artists as Winsor McCay (Little Nemo) and Hal Foster (Prince Valiant).
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Michael B. Crampton
Jamie Coville wrote in message <36ab44ca...@gollum.kingston.net>...
>On 22 Jan 1999 01:14:01 GMT, micr...@aol.com (MicroZone) wrote:
>
>But I don't think there is a 'best'. Just different styles. Can we say
>Alex Ross is better than Kirby? I don't think so because what they do
>is so different. Same goes for Frank Frazzatta, etc..
Just as it is unfair to compare the great manga artist to Kirby, et al.
Manga comes from a completely different tradition in the way it approaches
telling a story. It's much like comparing hip hop artists to heavy metal
groups; even though it's all music the two artists have such different
conceptions of how you make music that comparing them in terms of skill is
extremely arbitrary.
Still, I would have to say (unequivocabley) that Jack Kirby has done more to
establish the definative style of North American SUPER-HERO comics than any
other artist.
Mike Crampton.