What's good about Earth-X
Kenmlin
issues, shuffle them, and try to make sense out of it. It's no more confusing
than if you read them in proper order. This is possible because the book spend
most of the time introduction characters and concepts instead of developing
something coherent.
Ken
Grimbiskit
for the most part....the only story I've enjoyed so far was in #0.
Kenmlin
thick and there's absolutely no attention to details.
Kenmlin
far by skimming through #0?
Luis Ramirez
Kenmlin wrote:
Okay, I skimmed Earth X #0, and just by looking at the pictures, I got the
impression that it is a retelling of the orign of Marvel Earth and all super
heroes in the Marvel Universe. While this is a central theme in Earth X, it
doesn't reveal any of the multiple storylines that are running through the
book. I do not know how you arrived to this conclussion.
Does anyone want me to summarize the multiple storylines that were not revealed
in Earth X #0 but later unfolded through out the proceeding issues?
Luis.
Luis Ramirez
Kenmlin wrote:
> I can't believe that people actually like that artwork. The lines are too
> thick and there's absolutely no attention to details.
>
> >all I like is the art....though the composition on the covers are kinda
> >boring
> >for the most part....the only story I've enjoyed so far was in #0.
What part of the artwork in Earth X #0 do you not understand or is hard for
you to read.
Luis.
Ramhog
(Kenmlin) wrote:
> I can't believe that people actually like that artwork. The lines are too
> thick and there's absolutely no attention to details.
>
No offense, but you must be coming from the "Image style" side of things,
which for my money add up to "lines are too thin, too much unneccesary
detail".
I also like it more for the art than the story. I can't see myself
slogging through 9 (10?) more issues of this book. So far I've gotten
nothing out of the story.
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-Later, R.
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"Wait and see"
-K. Busiek
Tuff
Grimbiskit
<<What part of the artwork in Earth X #0 do you not understand or is hard for
you to read.>>
the exception of #0's....I did enjoy that issue for some reason.
<<<Isn't it amazing that you'd know everything that took place in the series so
far by skimming through #0?>>>
that i am making a judgement based on a skimming of #0?
Andrew Ryan Chang
>I can't believe that people actually like that artwork. The lines are too
>thick and there's absolutely no attention to details.
Sure there's attention to detail. The anatomical rendering is
clear & correct without being dry. I do find the inking a tiny bit on the
heavy side, and the color scheme, though nice-looking, is very dark. The
overal effect is that of a permanent haze & cloud cover, and it's kind of
annoying. The lines exhibit a greater variation in thickness than most
artists, but I'm a big fan of brushed ink, and especially of brushed ink
with large differences between the thickest and thinnest line.
Details like the back side of Captain America's shield, cars, and
furniture are accurately rendered without looking like clip-art. The
rendering itself is great, IMO, and the poses never look forced.
Plus, if you look at the inked but uncolored, uncaptioned pages on
th Earth X website, you can see that it _works_ in black and white better
than most comic art.
As an aside, I think that Leon's faces have gotten much better
than his original work in Static. The work on Captain America, Ben Grimm,
and Alicia Masters conveys an awful lot, even if he doesn't use a lot of
cross-hatching.
--
"_Babe Flathead:_ At MPU, Babe was a 43-letter man, leading his team to cham-
pionships in every existing sport[...] (Many observers feel that Babe's teams
would have won those championships even if every competing school had NOT had
their QCAA memberships revoked.)" -Encyclopedia Frobozzica.
Specter722
celestials and the watcher in a whole new light, the watcher actually seemes to
be what he should be like, cold and alien. UI never believed someone so alone
on the moon could be so happy and jolly like he was in those what if books.
The art though, leaves much to be desires. Alex Ross should have drawn it,
then I would have no complaints.
Chris Wuchte
never happened. When I read "Marvels" and "Kingdom Come" I may not have
known who every character was, but I could still make them out in the
background and enjoy the little details that enriched the stories. It
bothers me that when I get to the end of an issue, I read who's been
enslaved by the Skull and realize that I was looking right at them and they
didn't even register with me.
I realize this story is inherently depressing (at least so far), but when
you couple that with the oppressively dark artwork it almost makes you crave
Prozac by the time you're done reading.
Kenmlin wrote in message <19990629015501...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
>I can't believe that people actually like that artwork. The lines are too
>thick and there's absolutely no attention to details.
>
>>all I like is the art....though the composition on the covers are kinda
>>boring
>>for the most part....the only story I've enjoyed so far was in #0.
>
>
>
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kay Nine
the
story being told it also detracts from it in that it is EXTREMELY difficult
to make who
is who in the panels, which is quite irritating. Other than that so far the
story has been excellent.
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Ben Pridmore
kay Nine <kayog...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I couldn't agree more. While the art sort of complements the dark nature
of
> the
> story being told it also detracts from it in that it is EXTREMELY
difficult
> to make who
> is who in the panels, which is quite irritating. Other than that so far
the
> story has been excellent.
I don't mind the art that much, though I agree with your points. What gets
on my nerves is that this is EXACTLY the kind of story that Alex Ross could
draw about 5 million times better than anybody else, yet all he does is the
covers!!!
Luis Ramirez
Mr. Ross is a very talented and gifted painter, but I can't stand his painted
comic books. I know a lot of people are complaining Mr. Leon's work being hard
to read, but trying to read a painted comic is harder for me. A lot of the
small details are blurry and its hard to make out who's in the background
sometimes. What you usually get is a panel full of a lot big clearly painted
people, with a fazed out blurry background.
Just take a look at your Earth X covers, THERE IS NO BACKGROUND. Which is
appropriate, because we would be barely able to tell what it is.
I was gonna say that Mr. Ross couldn't create a proper panel sequence in his
books. But he can. Its just that the art is to distracting. Its hard to pick
out what is happening in the background. You can only pick out the foreground
stuff.
But thats just my experience. I think Mr. Leon's work is a little difficult to
read because its so dark. But I honestly do not have as a hard time reading it
as a page from Kingdom Come. Not that every page in KC is hard to read. I like
both artists, they both got really good style. IMO.
Luis.
Ben Pridmore
Luis Ramirez <ramber...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:377FDDFF...@uclink4.berkeley.edu...
> Mr. Ross is a very talented and gifted painter, but I can't stand his
painted
> comic books. I know a lot of people are complaining Mr. Leon's work being
hard
> to read, but trying to read a painted comic is harder for me. A lot of the
> small details are blurry and its hard to make out who's in the background
> sometimes. What you usually get is a panel full of a lot big clearly
painted
> people, with a fazed out blurry background.
>
> Just take a look at your Earth X covers, THERE IS NO BACKGROUND. Which is
> appropriate, because we would be barely able to tell what it is.
>
What?! Take a look at Marvels or Uncle Sam sometime! EVERY background figure
is drawn in full, painted detail! And of course there's no background to the
Earth X covers, they're symbolic mixtures of the key elements of that
issue's story!
Martin Rebas
The bad:
Nothing much has really happened in the six first issues. The
Watcher-Machine Man narration is just annoying. Lots of neat Kirby costume
designs have been replaced with not-so-neat Ross designs.
The good:
It's nice to see an artist who knows what the real world looks like.
AFAIK, there hasn't been one at Marvel since Muth left Silver Surfer, and
I'm so tired of people who draw in a cartoony way because bothering with
perspective, anatomy and shadows is too complicated.
Though if the preview at marvel.com is anything to go by, then the art
would've looked better in black & white.
I also liked the Red Skull in #4.
/Martin
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http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3rebas/
Luis Ramirez
Ben Pridmore wrote:
> Luis Ramirez <ramber...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > Just take a look at your Earth X covers, THERE IS NO BACKGROUND. Which is
> > appropriate, because we would be barely able to tell what it is.
> >
>
> What?! Take a look at Marvels or Uncle Sam sometime! EVERY background figure
> is drawn in full, painted detail! And of course there's no background to the
> Earth X covers, they're symbolic mixtures of the key elements of that
> issue's story!
Unfortunately, I do not own any of those books you mentioned. It may seem a
cop-out, but I'm to lazy to bust out Kingdom Come and give you examples of what
I'm talking about.
I'm not saying all of KC is hard to read, but I did find some parts hard to
read. Off the top of my head, when the villains escape from the big prison the
future JLA built and started battling the heroes. There was a lot of stuff
happening in those panels, but it was hard to tell who was shooting at who and
who was punching what...etc.
In my mind, I enjoy Ross's work a lot more when its kept simple. Simple
backgrounds, small number of people per panel. But when you get a lot of stuff
happening on his panel and/or a lot of detail, my mind goes hazy. Maybe I'm
just slow!!
Luis.
Ben Pridmore
> Unfortunately, I do not own any of those books you mentioned. It may seem
a
> cop-out, but I'm to lazy to bust out Kingdom Come and give you examples of
what
> I'm talking about.
>
> I'm not saying all of KC is hard to read, but I did find some parts hard
to
> read. Off the top of my head, when the villains escape from the big prison
the
> future JLA built and started battling the heroes. There was a lot of stuff
> happening in those panels, but it was hard to tell who was shooting at who
and
> who was punching what...etc.
>
> In my mind, I enjoy Ross's work a lot more when its kept simple. Simple
> backgrounds, small number of people per panel. But when you get a lot of
stuff
> happening on his panel and/or a lot of detail, my mind goes hazy. Maybe
I'm
> just slow!!
>
> Luis.
>
I've never actually read Kingdom Come. Maybe his art is bad in that and good
in Marvels!
--
Ben
"...their twittering ignorance, their incessant, meaningless noise,
reminding themselves they still draw breath by belittling or insulting every
fact or occurence that catches their eyes..."
Mr Bridwell
Andrew S Goldstein
>Ben Pridmore wrote:
>> kay Nine <kayog...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:%CLf3.7548$dp1.1...@nnrp4.clara.net...
>> > I couldn't agree more. While the art sort of complements the dark nature
>> of
>> > the
>> > story being told it also detracts from it in that it is EXTREMELY
>> difficult
>> > to make who
>> > is who in the panels, which is quite irritating. Other than that so far
>> the
>> > story has been excellent.
>>
>> I don't mind the art that much, though I agree with your points. What gets
>> on my nerves is that this is EXACTLY the kind of story that Alex Ross could
>> draw about 5 million times better than anybody else, yet all he does is the
>> covers!!!
>Mr. Ross is a very talented and gifted painter, but I can't stand his painted
>comic books. I know a lot of people are complaining Mr. Leon's work being hard
>to read, but trying to read a painted comic is harder for me. A lot of the
>small details are blurry and its hard to make out who's in the background
>sometimes. What you usually get is a panel full of a lot big clearly painted
>people, with a fazed out blurry background.
The problem with Alex Ross is that in his attention to detail he tries to
fit in too much into one panel. I'm sure his work is breathtaking in its
original format, but I suspect that it loses much in the translation to
comic book form. I really wish Mr. Ross would give more consideration to
reduction when composing his pieces.
Strangely, Ross seems to have gotten worse in that respect. Visually,
MARVELS is a much clearer read to me than KINGDOM COME, which comes off as
an excuse to fit a story around Ross' easter-egg hunts. Compare the KC
"rave" scene to the MARVELS version of the Galactus vs. Fantastic Four
battle, if you want an extreme example.
Andrew
Amritpal Bhambra
The dark art work was a bit off putting at the start, but it grows on you,
with only one of the following issues (issue 4-5 not sue) not haveing as
good art as the others. It is depressing, but it is a bloody good read. Only
one of the few Marvel books I can't wait for
kay Nine <kayog...@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I couldn't agree more. While the art sort of complements the dark nature
of
> the
> story being told it also detracts from it in that it is EXTREMELY
difficult
> to make who
> is who in the panels, which is quite irritating. Other than that so far
the
> story has been excellent.