Tbolts #39: Scourge's weapon set
SLWalsh
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First off, it was my understanding that his weapons were of
Scourge victims past. But still...damn cool. :)
>Page 6: SA:34 is a flame blast; Firebrand I maybe?
Given the above statement, it'd fit.
To be creative, maybe it's Blowtorch Brand's weapon (what were
Blowtorch Brand's powers, if any? Was he just some nutty
arsonist, or armed villain?)
>Page 7: SA:39 is a sword with a spiked handguard. Looks
familiar, but I
>can't quite place it. Pretty sure it's not the Swordsman's
though.
I thought it was the Rapier's sword (another victim of the first
Scourge). Heck, Zemo even calls himself a rapier...perhaps a
little nod by FabNic to the weapon's original owner...?
>Page 11: SA:23 is pure Stilt-Man.
I didn't see that... ;P
>Page 12: Hmm. Scourge doesn't use his coils or stilts as Zemo
notes. It'd
>seem that each SA is a one-shot usage until some variety
of "recharge" as
>Scourge he doesn't seem to use the same SA twie in the story.
Maybe he's just *really* creative... ;P
>Page 15: Blackwing's flyer is SA:6., SA:19 is Plantman's power.
I'm sorry...*Blackwing's* flyer?! That's the Green Goblin's
flyer...isn't it?? (Is this what I get for not reading Spidey
anymore?)
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Jess Nevins
Tom Galloway wrote:
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> Page 7: SA:39 is a sword with a spiked handguard. Looks familiar, but I
> can't quite place it. Pretty sure it's not the Swordsman's though.
I haven't seen the issue yet (bloody typical of Houston comic book
stores [with the exception of the wonderful Bedrock City]--Thunderbolts?
Why on Earth would we want to order more than 3 or 4 copies of that?
I mean, besides the 10-15 people who ask us for it every month after we've
sold out our paltry order, why would we get more? Powers? What's that?
Brian Bendis who? I hate Houston comic book stores. Bloody
incompetents, the lot of them [again, with the exception of Bedrock City])
Ahem. I haven't seen the issue yet, but that sounds like Shatterstar's
sword.
jess
Tom Galloway
Page 1: Looks like a couple of the Wizard's anti-gravity disks on his belt,
although I don't think they're ever used (certainly not for flight).
Page 2: Mockingbird's battle staves, or a reasonable simulation
Page 3: SA:14 Light flash; pretty generic, as is the SA:9 concussive blast. The
SA:30 ice shrapnel is from the Jack Frost/Blizzard power set.
Page 4: SA:21 would be from Spider-Man foe the Shocker. SA:11 is Leap Frog.
Page 6: SA:34 is a flame blast; Firebrand I maybe?
Page 7: SA:39 is a sword with a spiked handguard. Looks familiar, but I
can't quite place it. Pretty sure it's not the Swordsman's though.
Page 11: SA:23 is pure Stilt-Man.
Page 12: Hmm. Scourge doesn't use his coils or stilts as Zemo notes. It'd
seem that each SA is a one-shot usage until some variety of "recharge" as
Scourge he doesn't seem to use the same SA twie in the story. And one'd
think if he could reuse the SAs, he'd have a set he felt most comfortable
with and would reuse those.
Page 14: OK, four welding tools plus nine previous named/shown SAs puts
him down to 30%. That'd seem to give him 18-19 total before needing to
recharge.
Page 15: Blackwing's flyer is SA:6., SA:19 is Plantman's power.
Page 16: Oops. He recalls SA:39, the sword. So I guess he can call up things
more than once. We're also told that it's not teleportation...and previously
Zemo has wondered how he could have all these things and not be bulked up.
Well, remember those "toys" Scourge took past the border check last issue?
I smell Pym particles and the return of the powers of Dr. Pym, Scientific
Adventurer.
Page 17: SA:42, the ultimate answer to any weapon :-), is Cap's shield.
Or a remarkable facsimile.
Good thing Scourge wins here; by my count, he's down to 1-2 SAs left.
tyg t...@netcom.com
Scott Schimmel
>Page 16: Oops. He recalls SA:39, the sword. So I guess he can call up things
>more than once. We're also told that it's not teleportation...and previously
>Zemo has wondered how he could have all these things and not be bulked up.
>Well, remember those "toys" Scourge took past the border check last issue?
>I smell Pym particles and the return of the powers of Dr. Pym, Scientific
>Adventurer.
The "calling up" part reminded me of Annex, one of the heroes from
those eminently forgettable annuals, oh, ten years ago or so. I seem
to remember the percentage thing playing a part there, too... and I'm
not sure it would with Pym particles. They'd explain the shrunken
briefcase, though...
Scott Schimmel Ex ignorantia ad sapientium;
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Ralf Haring
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Didn't look like any Goblin Glider to me. Those don't have a detailed
"head." This had a little skull with horns.
-Ralf Haring
"The mind must be the harder, the heart the keener,
the spirit the greater, as our strength grows less."
-Byrhtwold, The Battle of Maldon
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It's not a two-bladed sword. Going with the Scourge-victim theme
(although I don't really think that's the theme given that he uses a
shield and Mocky's battle staves) the sword could be either the Rapier's
or Commander Kraken's. It didn't look like a rapier to me, so I'm going
with Commander Kraken.
Tom Galloway
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>Didn't look like any Goblin Glider to me. Those don't have a detailed
>"head." This had a little skull with horns.
Or a Bat-head (Blackwing controlled bats). Also was batwinged in style.
tyg t...@netcom.com
FabNic
I won't say which ones exactly. ;-)
Somewhere in my files, I have a complete list and I'm checking off the ones I
use up to try and not duplicate too many of them.
Next time Scourgey goes into battle, he'll be calling up a variety of different
weapons... then again, his next target is going to require a different
approach...
;-)
Lordy, I love writing this book.
--fabian
Tim Frankovich
>I hate Houston comic book stores. Bloody
>incompetents, the lot of them [again, with the exception of Bedrock City])
I live just south of Houston and my comic book store does great (except when it
comes to Annuals).
>Ahem. I haven't seen the issue yet, but that sounds like Shatterstar's
>sword.
It's not (speaking as a big Shatterstar fan).
Tim
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Ralf Haring
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> I won't say which ones exactly. ;-)
> Somewhere in my files, I have a complete list and I'm checking off the ones I
> use up to try and not duplicate too many of them.
Eventually, you will though, right? Like a column in a letters' page as
was done with the MoE? Pretty please?
Robert
Jess Nevins
Tim Frankovich wrote:
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I'd like to know which one you go to, since I've fairly well covered the
Webster/Clear Lake area and thinnk that the stores would be better
off razed to the ground and new stores built in their place.
jess
Jess Nevins
Chris Abel wrote:
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> > stores [with the exception of the wonderful Bedrock City]--Thunderbolts?
> > Why on Earth would we want to order more than 3 or 4 copies of that?
> > I mean, besides the 10-15 people who ask us for it every month after we've
> > sold out our paltry order, why would we get more? Powers? What's that?
> > Brian Bendis who? I hate Houston comic book stores. Bloody
> > incompetents, the lot of them [again, with the exception of Bedrock City])
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> Exsqueeze me! I have both books you are mentioning on my shelves right now,
> and I'm in Houston. Powers is doing better than I expected, but I plan on
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> Don't make blanket statements unless you know for a fact they are true.
Okay. So there's *one* comic book store besides Bedrock City that has
extra copies. I wish I could say the same of the 5 others I visited last
night and tonight.
jess
Kevin Schmidt
Ralf Haring <ra...@duke.edu> wrote:
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There are a few things that don't really fit into the "Scourge's
Victims" profile.
1. The bo staff could belong to many people including the late
Mockingbird, the late Gambit Doppleganger, and the perserved Nomad.
2.The helmet appears to have the original Unicorn's beam weapon mounted
on it.
3.The belt has two of the Wizard's disks on it, apparently.
4. The horns appear to be of the type used by the original Capricorn
of the Zodiac.
5. Stilt Man isn't dead.
6. The disks on his chest could be anything from Doom's to Nomad's.
7. While there are plenty of dead Captain Americas, Scourge didn't
kill any of them.
8. Poisoned Quills were the Porcupine's toy and he didn't die by
Scourge's hand either.
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I would say the Melter. One of Scourge's first victims.
> I'm sorry...*Blackwing's* flyer?! That's the Green Goblin's
> flyer...isn't it?? (Is this what I get for not reading Spidey
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The Hobgoblin was killed by Scourge wasn't he ?
JG
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I'm remembering a Cap foe from either Brazil or Germany who used a similar
sword (or hell, maybe it's Snake-Eyes'). That ties into my theory that the new
Scourge's weaponry isn't exclusive to former Scourge vics. Instead, it's from
Cap oppos. This comes from the Scourge-is-Nomad idea (the Bucky's costume
scene, the gold discs on Scourge's chest), since Nomad would know all about the
weapons they used. I dunno if he ever tangled with Mockingbird, tho.
Weed
SLWalsh
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>"head." This had a little skull with horns.
Really? I've never noticed that before...but you're right.
Huh. Learns somethin' new everyday, I does... :P
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SLWalsh
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That's what I thought at first too...but then, well, after
seeing the stilts, I pretty much figured it was gimmicks of all
sorts of villains, as well as a few prior victims...
Clay Peterson
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> "head." This had a little skull with horns.
Looked like the Hobgoblin's flyer to me.
Clay
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Jeff Doar
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> You guys are getting a whole bunch of them right!
> I won't say which ones exactly. ;-)
> Somewhere in my files, I have a complete list and I'm checking off the
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> Lordy, I love writing this book.
Like someone else said, I love reading it. #39 was great...
Jeff
Ralf Haring
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Here's some pics. It doesn't look like the Hobgoblin's glider to me.
http://www.sigma.net/spiderman/characters/villains/images/hobgoblin1/asm284hobby.jpg
http://www.sigma.net/spiderman/characters/villains/images/hobgoblin1/asm275.jpg
http://www.sigma.net/spiderman/characters/villains/images/hobgoblin1/firsthobby.jpg
Pol Krinn
>I'm sorry...*Blackwing's* flyer?! That's the Green Goblin's
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I just thought it was the Goblin Glider with Scourge's own face on the front.
His helmet amd mask looked like a skull and horns.
FabNic
>I use up to try and not duplicate too many of them.
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done with the MoE? Pretty please?
Well, I was hoping for some kind of contest down the road:
"Identify All of the Weapons SCOURGE used & the characters they came from!"
Win something.
Hey, that sounds like a snazzy contest! Wizard? YourMan@marvel? Tom?
Anyone listening! I'm working to boost our sales here!!
;-)
--fabian
FabNic
Uhm... maybe it's just me, but looking at those pix, looking at the issue and
figuring that maybe it was modified and sleeked up a bit (artistic license,
don'tcha know), I'd have to say it looks EXACTLY like the Hobgoblin's glider...
... but then again, what do i know?
;-)
--fabian
Tom Galloway
FabNic <fab...@aol.com> wrote:
>Well, I was hoping for some kind of contest down the road:
>"Identify All of the Weapons SCOURGE used & the characters they came from!"
Well, I think you shouldn't count the really generic ones, like the light
burst and concussive blast. Heck, everyone can do those. :-)
>Win something.
>Hey, that sounds like a snazzy contest! Wizard? YourMan@marvel? Tom?
>Anyone listening! I'm working to boost our sales here!!
Do I get a cut for figuring out and posting most of 'em....(so far the
only one anyone else has gotten and posted about would seem to be my
misiding the flyer as being more obscure than it is).
tyg t...@netcom.com
Ray Smo
>Here's some pics. It doesn't look like the Hobgoblin's glider to me.
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oh, why'd you have to go and post those pics? Now I'm longing for the days when
Spidey was good. And I mean damn good!
Timeo Hominem Unius Libri
Raymond Smotherman
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fan
FabNic wrote:
> >> Somewhere in my files, I have a complete list and I'm checking off the ones
> >I use up to try and not duplicate too many of them.
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> done with the MoE? Pretty please?
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> "Identify All of the Weapons SCOURGE used & the characters they came from!"
You know, this reminds me . . . I don't know if this has been
brought up yet, but IIRC, Scourge (the original one, that is)
*didn't* lift weaponry from the guys he offed, did he?
For starters, think of the showdown with Captain America;
Scourge gunned down all those folks at 'the bar with no name,'
checked all of their bodies, and left behind the like of Mirage's
illusion-generating costume . . . which falls into Cap's hands . . .
For that matter, there was the time he shot the Melter, and then
contemptuously destroyed a perfectly good melting ray rather
than adding it to his personal arsenal.
Am I remembering all of this correctly? Didn't the original
Scourge pass up repeated chances to acquire slain criminals'
equipment, which sort of makes the latest turn of events a
little strange?
Ralf Haring
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> don'tcha know), I'd have to say it looks EXACTLY like the Hobgoblin's glider...
Well, I suppose you'd be the one to know...
> ... but then again, what do i know?
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> --fabian
...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really Norman
Osborn!
Rob Hansen
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>theory that the new
>>Scourge's weaponry isn't exclusive to former Scourge vics.
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>That's what I thought at first too...but then, well, after
>seeing the stilts, I pretty much figured it was gimmicks of all
>sorts of villains, as well as a few prior victims...
Yeah, but Cap *has* tangled with Stilt-Man, during the trial of the
Falcon at the end of the Englehart run, so I wouldn't junk this theory
just yet. Of course, so far as I'm aware, he's never faced off against
Green Goblin/Hobgoblin/Blackwing....
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Ray Smo
>...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really Norman
>Osborn
"NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
Fits the description to me!
SLWalsh
Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>Green Goblin/Hobgoblin/Blackwing....
IIRC, Blackwing was aligned with the Red Skull circa Cap #390,
along with a new Jack O'Lantern, Mother Night, Crossbones, and a
few other villains only Gru could've thrown together and done a
good job with...
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Nope. No truly major villains were offed by the Scourge...long-
lasting ones, like Miracle Man and the Melter were, but no
Hobgoblin-level villains...
Randy Lander
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Scourge did come after Hobgoblin, though, when he believed him to be
Flash Thompson. He wound up killing Wraith instead. Perhaps the modus
operandi isn't just villains that he killed, but villains he stalked?
That would also give an explanation of sorts as to where he got all the
weaponry. Studying up on all these villains might have given him the
insight to duplicate their tech-based abilities.
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Ralf Haring
Did Scourge ever go after Cap or the Wizard though?
fan
Ralf Haring wrote:
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> Did Scourge ever go after Cap or the Wizard though?
IIRC, a disguised Cap once lured him into a fight, and Scourge
thought to himself something along the lines of, "That's Captain
America's shield; I recognize it from my studies!"
As for him never going up against the Wizard, Lander might
still be right; for all we know, Scourge studied all of the villains he
hunted down and a number he never got around to, right?
Tim Roll-Pickering
> > >spoiler space
> > >
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> > >Page 6: SA:34 is a flame blast; Firebrand I maybe?
> The Hobgoblin was killed by Scourge wasn't he ?
No, but in Amazing Spider-Man #278 Scourge tried to kill Flash Thompson,
who had been recently arrested because the real Hobgoblin had used him
as a decoy. The cover to that issue shows Spidey standing over an
unmasked Hobgoblin who looks as though he's been killed, with the words
'Justice is served' so this may be what you're thinking of.
T. Troy McNemar
Smo) wrote:
>>...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really Norman
>>Osborn
>
>"NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
>
>Fits the description to me!
Could be Aunt May.
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I think Cap may have fought the Wizard during Acts of Vengeance
(IIRC, Wizard was part of that inner circle of guys responsible
for the whole crossover...right?)
SLWalsh
<rla...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>SLWalsh wrote:
>>
>> In article <8dqbg6$vvv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jacq...@my-deja.com
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >spoiler space
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> I'm sorry...*Blackwing's* flyer?! That's the Green Goblin's
>> >> flyer...isn't it?? (Is this what I get for not reading
Spidey
>> >> anymore?)
>> >
>>
Scourge...long-
>> lasting ones, like Miracle Man and the Melter were, but no
>> Hobgoblin-level villains...
>
>Scourge did come after Hobgoblin, though, when he believed him
to be
>Flash Thompson. He wound up killing Wraith instead. Perhaps the
modus
>operandi isn't just villains that he killed, but villains he
stalked?
Ah, that's right.
So since you bring up stalked villains, we can toss Kraven and
Constrictor in there too...
SLWalsh
McNemar <Tr...@McNemar.com> wrote:
>Previously on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe,
ray...@aol.comSPAMBLOK (Ray
>Smo) wrote:
>
>>>...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really
Norman
>>>Osborn
>>
>>"NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
>>
>>Fits the description to me!
>
>Could be Aunt May.
Which one? The actress who current "graces" the pages of the
Spider-books, or the real one who died in ASM #400?
And no, I haven't mixed them up... ;)
T. Troy McNemar
<wals...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>T. Troy McNemar <Tr...@McNemar.com> wrote:
>>Previously on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe,
>ray...@aol.comSPAMBLOK (Ray
>>Smo) wrote:
>>>>...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really
>>>>Norman Osborn
>>>
>>>"NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
>>>
>>>Fits the description to me!
>>
>>Could be Aunt May.
>
>Which one? The actress who current "graces" the pages of the
>Spider-books, or the real one who died in ASM #400?
>
>And no, I haven't mixed them up... ;)
We're not sure yet. For now, whatever you do, don't eat the wheatcakes.
Rob Hansen
wrote:
>In article <kau0gsgrm1ad38st4...@4ax.com>, Rob
>Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Yeah, but Cap *has* tangled with Stilt-Man, during the trial of
>the
>>Falcon at the end of the Englehart run, so I wouldn't junk this
>theory
>>just yet. Of course, so far as I'm aware, he's never faced off
>against
>>Green Goblin/Hobgoblin/Blackwing....
>
>IIRC, Blackwing was aligned with the Red Skull circa Cap #390,
>along with a new Jack O'Lantern, Mother Night, Crossbones, and a
>few other villains only Gru could've thrown together and done a
>good job with...
I probably ought to go down the cellar and check this, but didnt Jack
use a goblin-type glider during that appearance? If so the the Cap
villains theory is looking stronger.
Jaco de Vries
<r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I probably ought to go down the cellar and check this, but didnt Jack
>use a goblin-type glider during that appearance? If so the the Cap
>villains theory is looking stronger.
>--
Yes he indeed used in those appeances a goblin-type glider.
Jaco de Vries
SLWalsh
McNemar <Tr...@McNemar.com> wrote:
>Previously on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe, SLWalsh
><wals...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>T. Troy McNemar <Tr...@McNemar.com> wrote:
>>>Previously on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe,
>>ray...@aol.comSPAMBLOK (Ray
>>>Smo) wrote:
>
>>>>>...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really
>>>>>Norman Osborn
>>>>
>>>>"NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
>>>>
>>>>Fits the description to me!
>>>
>>>Could be Aunt May.
>>
>>Which one? The actress who current "graces" the pages of the
>>Spider-books, or the real one who died in ASM #400?
>>
>>And no, I haven't mixed them up... ;)
>
>We're not sure yet. For now, whatever you do, don't eat the
wheatcakes.
Ah...so *that's* what happened to Mary Jane... ;P
Jaco de Vries
Dead ringer (character from Captain America (vol1) 425-426 and Captain
America (vol1) 439?????????
Jaco de Vries
Reivax
Jaco de Vries a écrit dans le message
<3904384d...@news.cybercomm.nl>...
>Could the person we search for who be Scouge perhaps be
>
>Dead ringer (character from Captain America (vol1) 425-426 and Captain
>America (vol1) 439?????????
Well, this is something that I posted here yesterday but I doubt that he's
THE Dead Ringer from back then. I went back to those old Cap comics and Dead
Ringer seemed to have an unimpressive personality. Scourge is more sure
about himself, more experienced...
But it's quite possible that the new Scourge is somewhat using powers
related to Dead Ringer.
reivax
Jay A. Johnson
to the X-cutioner (i.e. all of these weapons have
probably been in the hands of the government
at some point or another ??) Any bets that Scourge's
boss is Gryrich and Omega-32 is some kind of
storage system ?
SLWalsh wrote in message <04ca7570...@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>...
>In article <20000421042951...@ng-fo1.aol.com>,
>weedw...@aol.coma (Weed Whacker) wrote:
>><< Spoilers for the weaponry used by Scourge
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>><< Page 7: SA:39 is a sword with a spiked handguard. >>
>>
>>I'm remembering a Cap foe from either Brazil or Germany who
>used a similar
>>sword (or hell, maybe it's Snake-Eyes'). That ties into my
>theory that the new
>>Scourge's weaponry isn't exclusive to former Scourge vics.
>
>That's what I thought at first too...but then, well, after
>seeing the stilts, I pretty much figured it was gimmicks of all
>sorts of villains, as well as a few prior victims...
>
>
Grimbiskit
America (vol1) 439????????? >>
That was my first guess, but he only has the powers of DEAD villians. Some of
Scourge's powers are from badies still alive.
Danny Sichel
> << Dead ringer (character from Captain America (vol1) 425-426 and Captain
> America (vol1) 439????????? >>
> That was my first guess, but he only has the powers of DEAD villians.
Dead Ringer has the powers of anyone dead whose remains he touches
(until he switches to another template). He discovered his power when
his cat died, and realized it could be useful when he found a piece of
dead supervillain at a garage sale.
Kelley E. Stewart
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, SLWalsh wrote:
> In article <8dqbg6$vvv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jacq...@my-deja.com
> wrote:
> >
> >> >spoiler space
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I'm sorry...*Blackwing's* flyer?! That's the Green Goblin's
> >> flyer...isn't it?? (Is this what I get for not reading Spidey
> >> anymore?)
> >
> >The Hobgoblin was killed by Scourge wasn't he ?
>
> Nope. No truly major villains were offed by the Scourge...long-
> lasting ones, like Miracle Man and the Melter were, but no
> Hobgoblin-level villains...
If I remember correctly, Jack O' Lantern hired the Foreigner (sp?) to kill
the Hobgoblin. Then Jack took the Hobgoblin's costume adn became the new
one. I believe it was in one of the Spider-man books. Possible one of
the Amazing books.
Kelley
Ray Smo
>If I remember correctly, Jack O' Lantern hired the Foreigner (sp?) to kill
>the Hobgoblin. Then Jack took the Hobgoblin's costume adn became the new
>one. I believe it was in one of the Spider-man books. Possible one of
>the Amazing books.
>
>Kelley
>
Amazing #289
Todd Kogutt
Ray Smo wrote:
> >
> >If I remember correctly, Jack O' Lantern hired the Foreigner (sp?) to kill
> >the Hobgoblin. Then Jack took the Hobgoblin's costume adn became the new
> >one. I believe it was in one of the Spider-man books. Possible one of
> >the Amazing books.
> >
> >Kelley
> >
>
> Amazing #289
>
By PAD, of course.
---SCAVENGER wants a PAD written Foreinger mini series where he shoots the guy
running around in the spandex outfit.
>
>
Jeremy Johnston
> Randy Lander wrote:
>>
>> SLWalsh wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <8dqbg6$vvv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jacq...@my-deja.com
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> >spoiler space
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> I'm sorry...*Blackwing's* flyer?! That's the Green Goblin's
>> > >> flyer...isn't it?? (Is this what I get for not reading Spidey
>> > >> anymore?)
>> > >
>> > >The Hobgoblin was killed by Scourge wasn't he ?
>> >
>> > Nope. No truly major villains were offed by the Scourge...long-
>> > lasting ones, like Miracle Man and the Melter were, but no
>> > Hobgoblin-level villains...
>>
>> Flash Thompson. He wound up killing Wraith instead. Perhaps the modus
>> operandi isn't just villains that he killed, but villains he stalked?
>>
>> weaponry. Studying up on all these villains might have given him the
>> insight to duplicate their tech-based abilities.
>
> Did Scourge ever go after Cap or the Wizard though?
Well, technically, Scourge did go after Cap, but only cuz Cap was going
after him. Don't think he ever went after the Wiz though.
However, I don't think his M.O. has anything to do with villians he
killed... I think it's based on all the tech and gimmicks others have used
in the long history of the MU. I mean, he used Stiltman's legs... if
Scourge had gone after Stiltman, I'm sure he wouldn't have any trouble
killing him, but as far as I know Ol' Stilty is still running amok in some
far off, forgotten corner of the MU.
retour en arrière de Designers
> >...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really Norman Osborn
> "NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
> Fits the description to me!
They had a Norman Osborn in the latest PPSpiderMan.
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maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the villains? AIM? Power
Broker? whatever?
SLWalsh
arri=E8re?= de Designers <jame...@usc.edu> wrote:
>Ray Smo wrote:
>> >...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really
Norman Osborn
>> "NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
>> Fits the description to me!
>
>They had a Norman Osborn in the latest PPSpiderMan.
It was "Harry."
Not Norman.
Or "Norman," for that matter.
Or Harry either.
"Sean"
(hope you get the meaning of the ""'s)
;P
David Crowe
: Hey, maybe Scourge isn't based off of the ones he stalked or killed, but rather,
: maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the villains? AIM? Power
: Broker? whatever?
Justin Hammer had a hand in a large portion of those villains' hardware.
The Tinkerer might also be providing him with this stuff.
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: Hey, maybe Scourge isn't based off of the ones he stalked or killed, but rather,
: maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the villains? AIM? Power
: Broker? whatever?
There's some character who makes weapons for villains, but I can't
remember the man's name. This crotchety old man type...Can't think of it,
though.
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to the X-cutioner (i.e. all of these weapons have
probably been in the hands of the government
at some point or another ??) Any bets that Scourge's
boss is Gryrich and Omega-32 is some kind of
storage system ?>>
Going by the last page of issue 35 I would say Omega 32 is just another name
for hard air.
Looking back at issue 39 your theory about Gyrich seems to be plausible.
SLWalsh
ra...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Ranma Al'Thor) wrote:
>retour en =?iso-8859-1?Q?arri=E8re?= de Designers
(jame...@usc.edu) wrote:
>: Hey, maybe Scourge isn't based off of the ones he stalked or
killed, but rather,
>: maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the
villains? AIM? Power
>: Broker? whatever?
>
>There's some character who makes weapons for villains, but I
can't
>remember the man's name. This crotchety old man type...Can't
think of it,
>though.
The Tinkerer. Old Spidey-foe.
SLWalsh
>: Hey, maybe Scourge isn't based off of the ones he stalked or
killed, but rather,
>: maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the
villains? AIM? Power
>: Broker? whatever?
>
hardware.
Hammer's either been dealt with (by Mach-1 in Tbolts #26) or is
about to be dealt with (I thought I read some hero's supposed to
have some final showdown with Hammer)...so if he had a hand in
the Scourge, he may not be around to take credit...
retour en arrière de Designers
> arri=E8re?= de Designers <jame...@usc.edu> wrote:
> >They had a Norman Osborn in the latest PPSpiderMan.
> It was "Harry."
> Not Norman.
> Or "Norman," for that matter.
> Or Harry either.
> "Sean"
> (hope you get the meaning of the ""'s)
> ;P
Okay, then "a" "Harry". I read the issue ;D
So who knows how many, right?
Ray Smo
>> >...unless this is all another red herring! Scourge is really Norman Osborn
>> "NO! I thought-- It can't be you-- you are dead--"
>> Fits the description to me!
>
But my point was he's dead dead dead to me. He and Aunt May.
Never mind...
David Crowe
: In article <8e5l0a$mb6$2...@nnrp02.primenet.com>, David Crowe
: <jet...@primenet.com> wrote:
: >retour en =?iso-8859-1?Q?arri=E8re?= de Designers
: <jame...@usc.edu> wrote:
: >: Hey, maybe Scourge isn't based off of the ones he stalked or
: killed, but rather,
: >: maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the
: villains? AIM? Power
: >: Broker? whatever?
: >
: >Justin Hammer had a hand in a large portion of those villains'
: hardware.
: Hammer's either been dealt with (by Mach-1 in Tbolts #26) or is
: about to be dealt with (I thought I read some hero's supposed to
: have some final showdown with Hammer)...so if he had a hand in
: the Scourge, he may not be around to take credit...
Or since he's out of the way, it might mean someone is playing with his
toys without asking...
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Kevin Schmidt
> The Tinkerer. Old Spidey-foe.
Just an aside, really, but the Tinker's son is Rick Mason: the Agent.
Mason happens to be a gifted martial artist with experience in dealing
with parahumans an not one care about killing.
Not that I think Scourge is Rick, mind you, but it is another
possibility.
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SLWalsh
<gladi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The Tinkerer. Old Spidey-foe.
>
>
>Just an aside, really, but the Tinker's son is Rick Mason: the
Agent.
Rick Mason? Who's this guy? First appearance?
>Mason happens to be a gifted martial artist with experience in
dealing
>with parahumans an not one care about killing.
>
>Not that I think Scourge is Rick, mind you, but it is another
>possibility.
>
>
>
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news:2582094a...@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com...
> In article <8e8cgi$mng$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Kevin Schmidt
> <gladi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Tinkerer. Old Spidey-foe.
> >
> >Just an aside, really, but the Tinker's son is Rick Mason: the
> Agent.
>
> Rick Mason? Who's this guy? First appearance?
I've seen it mentioned at James Hudnall's site he did a graphic novel with
him. I thought it was an Epic GN and that Rick Mason was his character.
Apparently not.
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Mason happens to be a gifted martial artist with experience in dealing
with parahumans an not one care about killing.
Not that I think Scourge is Rick, mind you, but it is another
possibility.
>>
I thought the Tinker's son was turned into the newest Carrion in Spider-Man:
Dead Man's Hand. Or maybe he has more than one kid.
Bala Menon
<8ea34a$jp5$1...@duke.telepac.pt>...
> SLWalsh <wals...@hotmail.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:2582094a...@usw-ex0104-032.remarq.com...
> > In article <8e8cgi$mng$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Kevin Schmidt
> > <gladi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The Tinkerer. Old Spidey-foe.
> > >
> > Agent.
> >
>
> I've seen it mentioned at James Hudnall's site he did a
> graphic novel with him. I thought it was an Epic GN and
> that Rick Mason was his character. Apparently not.
It _is_ an Epic GN, but it's set firmly in the Marvel U., as
evidenced by the appearances of Nick Fury, the Kingpin
and the Tinkerer (Rick's father). Hudnall wrote the book
(first and only appearance of Mason, AFAIK), but since
it's set in the MU, he probably doesn't own Mason.
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: Paulo Costa <darkm...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote in article
Looking at my copy, it says Rick Mason is a trademark of Marvel. And it's
a standard Marvel GN. No Epic label at all.
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retour en arričre de Designers wrote:
> Hey, maybe Scourge isn't based off of the ones he stalked or killed, but rather,
> maybe the boss is whomever re/designed the weapons of the villains? AIM? Power
> Broker? whatever?