Voted my shares against Marvel-Disney merger today
Ohioguy
us to convince us shareholders to vote FOR the merger, I zeroed in on
one detail:
Current Marvel Shareholders will end up with only 3% of Disney. That's
right - all of the Marvel stock will convert to being worth only 3% of
the total Disney company.
Now I realize that Disney is a big company - they own TV
distribution, retail shops, land, characters, etc. They are a long
established company. However, given time, Marvel would probably have
ended up being worth 25% to 30% of what Disney is, assuming they pursued
a similar growth strategy. That's 10 TIMES what this merger deal values
the Marvel stock at.
Then I started thinking, why would they take only 1/10 of the long
term value now, instead of focusing on growth? The only answer I can
see is because it benefits the largest shareholders right now.
I, for one, care more about long term prospects at Marvel, so I voted
against the merger with my shares. Although this deal would give me a
nice short term profit, it really dilutes all of the long term profits
we could have seen.
Kenneth M. Lin
cycle and right now the sales are at the peak. After Spider-Man and X-Men
they really don't have many characters that they can license for a lot of
money. (Remember that Tobey Maguire will be forty years old soon.) They
will also lose money by producing their own movies because of their
inexperience.
And the worst thing that could happen is that Marvel goes on acquisition
binge on their own. That's how they went bankrupt the last time. With
Disney "supervising" Marvel's marketing and licensing, Marvel will be more
profitable than ever. Disney will also have enough sense to fire Joe Q.
because he is the quintessential nepotist that only looks out for himself
and his personal friends.
"Ohioguy" <no...@none.net> wrote in message
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<kennet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Disney will also have enough sense to fire Joe Q.
>because he is the quintessential nepotist that only looks out for himself
>and his personal friends.
...Considering Disney's "Spit-and-Polish Goody Two-Shoes" image, the
Big Fat Q and his drinking buddies in the Hack Pack - Bendis, Loeb and
Millar - will all become Persona Non Grata around Marvel within a
month of the completion of the merger. Bank on it.
OM
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Will Dockery
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:33:37 -0800, "Kenneth M. Lin"
>
> >Disney will also have enough sense to fire Joe Q.
> >because he is the quintessential nepotist that only looks out for himself
> >and his personal friends.
>
> ...Considering Disney's "Spit-and-Polish Goody Two-Shoes" image, the
> Big Fat Q and his drinking buddies in the Hack Pack - Bendis, Loeb and
> Millar - will all become Persona Non Grata around Marvel within a
> month of the completion of the merger. Bank on it.
Maybe they'll also decide to go back and bring the characters to what
worked in them in the first place, or somewhere near.
As far as Disney, the new Frog Princess cartoon is the best thing I've
seen from WD, or pretty much anywhere, in years.
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FSogol
>
>> Disney will also have enough sense to fire Joe Q.
>> because he is the quintessential nepotist that only looks out for himself
>> and his personal friends.
>
> ...Considering Disney's "Spit-and-Polish Goody Two-Shoes" image, the
> Big Fat Q and his drinking buddies in the Hack Pack - Bendis, Loeb and
> Millar - will all become Persona Non Grata around Marvel within a
> month of the completion of the merger. Bank on it.
Oh, please, please, please....
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Billy Bissette
news:iaSdnSwymqHolafW...@cavtel.net:
Disney most likely only cares about the character rights.
Who knows, Quesada might play up the claim that he is preserving
the characters with stuff like Brand New Day and the return of Steve
Rogers. He can even trot out Decimation, which (due to writers and
editors ignoring most of the effects of the event itself) mostly just
returned mutants to a pre-Morrison situation.
He can point out how Deadpool became an exploitable character
under his watch. Both he and Bendis can claim responsibility for the
(relatively) high selling big events over the years.
Although who knows... Maybe Disney will look over at Blackest
Night and decide to hire away Dan Didio as the new head of Marvel.
grinningdemon
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>FSogol <FSo...@nospamplease.org> wrote in
>news:iaSdnSwymqHolafW...@cavtel.net:
>
>>>> Disney will also have enough sense to fire Joe Q.
>>>> because he is the quintessential nepotist that only looks out for
>>>> himself and his personal friends.
>>>
>>> ...Considering Disney's "Spit-and-Polish Goody Two-Shoes" image, the
>>> Big Fat Q and his drinking buddies in the Hack Pack - Bendis, Loeb
>>> and Millar - will all become Persona Non Grata around Marvel within a
>>> month of the completion of the merger. Bank on it.
>>
>> Oh, please, please, please....
>
> Disney most likely only cares about the character rights.
>
> Who knows, Quesada might play up the claim that he is preserving
>the characters with stuff like Brand New Day and the return of Steve
>Rogers. He can even trot out Decimation, which (due to writers and
>editors ignoring most of the effects of the event itself) mostly just
>returned mutants to a pre-Morrison situation.
I really don't think he can claim that he's preserving the characters
on the basis of Steve Rogers' return...not with the direction they're
going with it...and he was the the one who let Morrison off the leash
on X-Men in the first place.
> He can point out how Deadpool became an exploitable character
>under his watch. Both he and Bendis can claim responsibility for the
>(relatively) high selling big events over the years.
Deadpool's exploitability has nothing to do with anything Quesada
did...he was always a popular character and the Wolverine movie just
pushed him over the top...pretty ironic, actually, that a Wolverine
film would lead to the overexposure of a different character.
> Although who knows... Maybe Disney will look over at Blackest
>Night and decide to hire away Dan Didio as the new head of Marvel.
Don't even joke...I'm holding out hope that the corporate shake ups at
both DC and Marvel will have both these idiots out on their asses.
Billy Bissette
news:giclj51istch99bu9...@4ax.com:
>> Who knows, Quesada might play up the claim that he is preserving
>>the characters with stuff like Brand New Day and the return of Steve
>>Rogers. He can even trot out Decimation, which (due to writers and
>>editors ignoring most of the effects of the event itself) mostly just
>>returned mutants to a pre-Morrison situation.
>
> I really don't think he can claim that he's preserving the characters
> on the basis of Steve Rogers' return...not with the direction they're
> going with it...
He can claim whatever he wants. He has ties to all these events, and
can present (and ignore) evidence and arguments however he chooses.
If he choses to do so, then the only issue is whether those higher in
the chain of command believe him or not.
grinningdemon
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:giclj51istch99bu9...@4ax.com:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:08:03 -0600, Billy Bissette
>> <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>>> Who knows, Quesada might play up the claim that he is preserving
>>>the characters with stuff like Brand New Day and the return of Steve
>>>Rogers. He can even trot out Decimation, which (due to writers and
>>>editors ignoring most of the effects of the event itself) mostly just
>>>returned mutants to a pre-Morrison situation.
>>
>> I really don't think he can claim that he's preserving the characters
>> on the basis of Steve Rogers' return...not with the direction they're
>> going with it...
>
> He can claim whatever he wants. He has ties to all these events, and
>can present (and ignore) evidence and arguments however he chooses.
>If he choses to do so, then the only issue is whether those higher in
>the chain of command believe him or not.
Fair enough...but, surely, someone at Disney would actually read the
books and know how full of shit he is.
Billy Bissette
news:geglj51dng0r0gkc0...@4ax.com:
I don't know that they'd care, as long as they get told that their
marketability is being protected.
And even if they do care, they might like Quesada and Bendis. The
mega-events certainly do make a profit, so someone likes them. And
both Quesada and Bendis have fans that defend them.
Tim Turnip
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:08:03 -0600, Billy Bissette
><bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>>FSogol <FSo...@nospamplease.org> wrote in
>>news:iaSdnSwymqHolafW...@cavtel.net:
>>
>>>>> Disney will also have enough sense to fire Joe Q.
>>>>> because he is the quintessential nepotist that only looks out for
>>>>> himself and his personal friends.
>>>>
>>>> ...Considering Disney's "Spit-and-Polish Goody Two-Shoes" image, the
>>>> Big Fat Q and his drinking buddies in the Hack Pack - Bendis, Loeb
>>>> and Millar - will all become Persona Non Grata around Marvel within a
>>>> month of the completion of the merger. Bank on it.
>>>
>>> Oh, please, please, please....
>>
>> Disney most likely only cares about the character rights.
>>
>> Who knows, Quesada might play up the claim that he is preserving
>>the characters with stuff like Brand New Day and the return of Steve
>>Rogers. He can even trot out Decimation, which (due to writers and
>>editors ignoring most of the effects of the event itself) mostly just
>>returned mutants to a pre-Morrison situation.
>
>I really don't think he can claim that he's preserving the characters
>on the basis of Steve Rogers' return...not with the direction they're
>going with it...
What direction are they going with it? Steve is currently possessed
by the Skull of course, but that's not a direction, that's a plot
twist.
Quesada can certainly make a legitimate claim that he's preserving the
characters based on bringing back Steve, because the character has
been Steve Rogers for the last 70 years, and needs to be Steve Rogers
indefinitely if the character is going to endure, same as with
Superman and Clark Kent.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
You've never worked with anybody at Disney have you? To start with,
they don't read.
--
Tiger Woods has just been named "Athlete of the Decade"
His chosen event? The Broad Jump.
grinningdemon
You haven't read "Who Will Wield the Shield," have you? It spoils the
end of Cap Reborn and let's just say things aren't exactly back to
normal.
>Quesada can certainly make a legitimate claim that he's preserving the
>characters based on bringing back Steve, because the character has
>been Steve Rogers for the last 70 years, and needs to be Steve Rogers
>indefinitely if the character is going to endure, same as with
>Superman and Clark Kent.
Read that one shot and we'll talk.
grinningdemon
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
I would think they would have researched the product before making an
offer...someone there must know a little something about the comics.
> And even if they do care, they might like Quesada and Bendis. The
>mega-events certainly do make a profit, so someone likes them. And
>both Quesada and Bendis have fans that defend them.
I guess we'll see how it goes then...I know people who like Bendis (I
even like him on certain books) but I don't know anyone who likes
Quesada anymore.
Lilith
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Dunno why they even released that one, let alone re-introduced Steve
in some of the other titles, before Reborn was complete. It had me
wondering if I'd missed it at the shops.
--
Lilith
Billy Bissette
news:6upnj51jqan7elcji...@4ax.com:
Possibly Cap plays a part in Siege and Marvel decided they'd rather
release Cap's return out of order than delay their next mega-crossover.
The question is why they let things get to that state in the first
place.
grinningdemon
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
There is that...but a lot of it probably has to do with Cap Reborn
being expanded from 5 to 6 issues...it threw off the timing with Siege
(although the other Marvel books still would have spoiled the ending)
but I suppose they decided to go ahead with the "Who Will Wield the
Shield" one shot as scheduled to explain his other appearances rather
than holding it back too...it's a mess and I'm very disappointed with
how it's all turning out.