The Spider Quo?
Hand-of-Omega
Last I saw, he returned to Earth to find that JJJ had become Mayor of
NY! Is that still standing? What has Jameson done with his position,
if so? Who's running the Bugle? Is Peter still working there?
Has Peter's love life gotten the jump start that they dumped the
wedding for? By which I mean, is he actually having all this sex that
JQ says he should be? I saw MJ on a cover; is she back? Does she
really remember the "true continuity"?
Are they actually doing anything interesting with Harry, now that he's
back?
Dex
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What's happening to Spider-Man lately?
>
>Last I saw, he returned to Earth to find that JJJ had become Mayor of
>NY! Is that still standing? What has Jameson done with his position,
>if so? Who's running the Bugle? Is Peter still working there?
JJJ is still mayor and Peter now works for him as a photographer in
the press room...he also works for Ben Urich's underground Frontline
paper...long before JJJ became mayor, the Daily Bugle (now called the
DB) was bought out by some other schmuck after Peter caused JJJ to
have a heart attack...the new guy chased off all the traditional DB
staff (who now work for Ben Urich) except for Betty Brant who still
works at the DB.
>Has Peter's love life gotten the jump start that they dumped the
>wedding for? By which I mean, is he actually having all this sex that
>JQ says he should be?
He never even so much as went on a date in the first 30 or so issues
since the retarded retcon...then MJ showed up at Aunt May's wedding
and Pete got drunk and accidentally slept with his bitchy roomate
(when he woke up, he thought she was MJ)...and then he went out and
nailed the Black Cat again (who is retconned back to the old days of
only being interested in Spidey and not wanting to know who is under
the mask).
I saw MJ on a cover; is she back? Does she
>really remember the "true continuity"?
MJ is back and she knows that he's Spiderman...anything else she might
remember has yet to be revealed...but, since I don't think they ever
plan to undo the retcon, I doubt she remembers it all.
>Are they actually doing anything interesting with Harry, now that he's
>back?
Not really...Norman tried to turn him into Captain America so he could
then die tragically and get Norman more public support...and Norman
also knocked up Harry's deranged and mutated girlfriend...and, when
the whole Cap thing fell through, Norman cut Harry off financially so
he is staying in Peter's old room at Aunt May's and secretly hooking
up with one of Peter's newly retconned hot cousins...he should have
stayed dead.
Hand-of-Omega
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:58:20 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
>
> >What's happening to Spider-Man lately?
>
> >Last I saw, he returned to Earth to find that JJJ had become Mayor of
> >NY! Is that still standing? What has Jameson done with his position,
> >if so? Who's running the Bugle? Is Peter still working there?
>
> JJJ is still mayor and Peter now works for him as a photographer in
> the press room...he also works for Ben Urich's underground Frontline
> paper...long before JJJ became mayor, the Daily Bugle (now called the
> DB) was bought out by some other schmuck after Peter caused JJJ to
> have a heart attack...the new guy chased off all the traditional DB
> staff (who now work for Ben Urich) except for Betty Brant who still
> works at the DB.
Wow. SO MUCH like how Stan Lee envisioned it, which is what JQ said
worked best and what he wanted to get back to...
>
> >Has Peter's love life gotten the jump start that they dumped the
> >wedding for? By which I mean, is he actually having all this sex that
> >JQ says he should be?
>
> He never even so much as went on a date in the first 30 or so issues
> since the retarded retcon...then MJ showed up at Aunt May's wedding
I'm gonna stop you right there. Say what, now?
> and Pete got drunk and accidentally slept with his bitchy roomate
> (when he woke up, he thought she was MJ)...
This is the person who hates him and wants him dead, according to the
other thread? Why're are they still living together, then?
>and then he went out and
> nailed the Black Cat again (who is retconned back to the old days of
> only being interested in Spidey and not wanting to know who is under
> the mask).
>
Ah, I was wondering about that. Norman doesn't remember, I take it?
> I saw MJ on a cover; is she back? Does she
>
> >really remember the "true continuity"?
>
> MJ is back and she knows that he's Spiderman...anything else she might
> remember has yet to be revealed...but, since I don't think they ever
> plan to undo the retcon, I doubt she remembers it all.
>
He doesn't know that she knows?
> >Are they actually doing anything interesting with Harry, now that he's
> >back?
>
> Not really...Norman tried to turn him into Captain America so he could
> then die tragically and get Norman more public support...and Norman
> also knocked up Harry's deranged and mutated girlfriend...and, when
> the whole Cap thing fell through, Norman cut Harry off financially so
> he is staying in Peter's old room at Aunt May's and secretly hooking
> up with one of Peter's newly retconned hot cousins...
[Lois Griffin] (snicker)Whaa-aat??[/Lois Griffin]
Peter has cousins, now? How does that work?!
Have they done anything with the revelation that Pete knows that he
(and apparently someone else, as he says "we") changed history or the
world's memories? Has he used the failsafe to restore anyone else's
memories? Actually, were all the Avengers' memories restored when he
revealed himself to them?
Dex
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 27, 2:14�pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:58:20 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
>>
>> <handofom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >What's happening to Spider-Man lately?
>>
>> >Last I saw, he returned to Earth to find that JJJ had become Mayor of
>> >NY! Is that still standing? What has Jameson done with his position,
>> >if so? Who's running the Bugle? Is Peter still working there?
>>
>> JJJ is still mayor and Peter now works for him as a photographer in
>> the press room...he also works for Ben Urich's underground Frontline
>> paper...long before JJJ became mayor, the Daily Bugle (now called the
>> DB) was bought out by some other schmuck after Peter caused JJJ to
>> have a heart attack...the new guy chased off all the traditional DB
>> staff (who now work for Ben Urich) except for Betty Brant who still
>> works at the DB.
>
>Wow. SO MUCH like how Stan Lee envisioned it, which is what JQ said
>worked best and what he wanted to get back to...
I know, right.
>> >Has Peter's love life gotten the jump start that they dumped the
>> >wedding for? By which I mean, is he actually having all this sex that
>> >JQ says he should be?
>>
>> He never even so much as went on a date in the first 30 or so issues
>> since the retarded retcon...then MJ showed up at Aunt May's wedding
>
>I'm gonna stop you right there. Say what, now?
Oh yeah, Aunt May married JJJ's long lost father JJJ Sr. in Amazing
#600...and you missed a really disturbing scene a few issues prior
where Peter walked in them having sex.
>> and Pete got drunk and accidentally slept with his bitchy roomate
>> (when he woke up, he thought she was MJ)...
>
>This is the person who hates him and wants him dead, according to the
>other thread? Why're are they still living together, then?
Because Peter is pathetic and Quesada wants him to stay that way...and
because Harry has taken over his old room at Aunt May's.
>>and then he went out and
>> nailed the Black Cat again (who is retconned back to the old days of
>> only being interested in Spidey and not wanting to know who is under
>> the mask).
>>
>Ah, I was wondering about that. Norman doesn't remember, I take it?
MJ is the only one who remembers other than people Peter has since
told again.
>> I saw MJ on a cover; is she back? Does she
>>
>> >really remember the "true continuity"?
>>
>> MJ is back and she knows that he's Spiderman...anything else she might
>> remember has yet to be revealed...but, since I don't think they ever
>> plan to undo the retcon, I doubt she remembers it all.
>>
>He doesn't know that she knows?
he knows...we got some flashbacks of them fighting about Peter being
Spidey (persumably, as part of their break up since they actually were
still together all this time...just not married)...and MJ's sole
reason for existence at this point seems to be to point out how
pathetic Peter is...and I'm not exaggerating.
>> >Are they actually doing anything interesting with Harry, now that he's
>> >back?
>>
>> Not really...Norman tried to turn him into Captain America so he could
>> then die tragically and get Norman more public support...and Norman
>> also knocked up Harry's deranged and mutated girlfriend...and, when
>> the whole Cap thing fell through, Norman cut Harry off financially so
>> he is staying in Peter's old room at Aunt May's and secretly hooking
>> up with one of Peter's newly retconned hot cousins...
>
>[Lois Griffin] (snicker)Whaa-aat??[/Lois Griffin]
>
>Peter has cousins, now? How does that work?!
Apparently, Aunt May has a huge extended family (the Reillys) we've
never heard of before who came into town for the wedding and set up
shop in Aunt May's house while she's off on her honeymoon...including
three hot chicks about Peter's age.
>Have they done anything with the revelation that Pete knows that he
>(and apparently someone else, as he says "we") changed history or the
>world's memories? Has he used the failsafe to restore anyone else's
>memories? Actually, were all the Avengers' memories restored when he
>revealed himself to them?
Both the FF and Black Cat remembered that they used to know his
secret...Johnny Storm got all pissy about it so Peter revealed his
face to the FF restoring their memories...Black Cat didn't even want
to know who he was...and the Avengers thing happened in another book
so it might as well be another universe entirely and the rules aren't
necessarily the same over in Avengers land.
Of course, it apparently doesn't bother anyone other than Johnny Storm
that their memories have been somehow altered by Spiderman.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
That's he's twitchy about dating 'cause they're his cousins, even though
they're like distant cousins in law with no blood ties.
Where were all these people when May was dead, anyway? Or needed blood
transfusions?
>
> >Have they done anything with the revelation that Pete knows that he
> >(and apparently someone else, as he says "we") changed history or the
> >world's memories? Has he used the failsafe to restore anyone else's
> >memories? Actually, were all the Avengers' memories restored when he
> >revealed himself to them?
>
> Both the FF and Black Cat remembered that they used to know his
> secret...Johnny Storm got all pissy about it so Peter revealed his
> face to the FF restoring their memories...Black Cat didn't even want
> to know who he was...and the Avengers thing happened in another book
> so it might as well be another universe entirely and the rules aren't
> necessarily the same over in Avengers land.
Yep. We've got at least 4 different universes going; Spider-Man,
Spider-Man-A*, Avengers, Thunderbolts. Probably more.
*that being the Harry Osborn secret origin Spider book that they
specifically said wasn't in the same continuity as anything else.
>
> Of course, it apparently doesn't bother anyone other than Johnny Storm
> that their memories have been somehow altered by Spiderman.
Yeah, you'd think Reed would have been just a smidge curious as to how
Spidey did that.
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IIRC, it was presented simply as "we don't kow who you really are and,
in light of the Skrull Invasion, you're either gonna tell us who you are
right here right now or we're gonna toss your spidery butt out on the
street!". So Pete took off his mask. Some of the NAs knew Peter Parker
as a photographer, and there was some extended dislog about Jessica
Jones-Cage knowing him from high school, but there was no "I remember
EVERYTHING!" that I recall.
> Of course, it apparently doesn't bother anyone other than Johnny Storm
> that their memories have been somehow altered by Spiderman.
They don't gotta explain it! IT'S MAGIC!
Michael
grinningdemon
wrote:
Right...Harry doesn't seem to have a problem hooking up with Peter's
cousins, though.
>Where were all these people when May was dead, anyway? Or needed blood
>transfusions?
Boston, apparently...persumably mooching off other relatives.
>> >Have they done anything with the revelation that Pete knows that he
>> >(and apparently someone else, as he says "we") changed history or the
>> >world's memories? Has he used the failsafe to restore anyone else's
>> >memories? Actually, were all the Avengers' memories restored when he
>> >revealed himself to them?
>>
>> Both the FF and Black Cat remembered that they used to know his
>> secret...Johnny Storm got all pissy about it so Peter revealed his
>> face to the FF restoring their memories...Black Cat didn't even want
>> to know who he was...and the Avengers thing happened in another book
>> so it might as well be another universe entirely and the rules aren't
>> necessarily the same over in Avengers land.
>
>Yep. We've got at least 4 different universes going; Spider-Man,
>Spider-Man-A*, Avengers, Thunderbolts. Probably more.
>
>*that being the Harry Osborn secret origin Spider book that they
>specifically said wasn't in the same continuity as anything else.
Huh?
>> Of course, it apparently doesn't bother anyone other than Johnny Storm
>> that their memories have been somehow altered by Spiderman.
>
>Yeah, you'd think Reed would have been just a smidge curious as to how
>Spidey did that.
Why would they let a little thing like logic enter the equation?
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >Yep. We've got at least 4 different universes going; Spider-Man,
> >Spider-Man-A*, Avengers, Thunderbolts. Probably more.
> >
> >*that being the Harry Osborn secret origin Spider book that they
> >specifically said wasn't in the same continuity as anything else.
>
> Huh?
One of the Spider books, the one with the 'how Harry returned from the
dead' story, isn't in continuity with Dark Reign or whatever was going
on that week. I forget if they said it in the book itself or as
editorial. It makes no freaking sense, even by BND standards, because
if that one book isn't in continuity with Dark Reign, but the book
before and after are, then that book isn't in continuity with the books
before and after it or anything else at all.
Oh, and I just read this week's THOR which reminds me, Thor isn't in the
same continuity with Fantastic Four (at least Doom certainly isn't); why
the Hel would Doom be vivisecting 2000 year old Asgardians for the
secret of immortality when he's 65 million years old himself?
And how can Doom not know that Don Blake is Thor, anyway? You'd expect
his intelligence to be at least as good as Nick Fury's.
And why doesn't Loki just TELL Doom why he's murdering Don Blake instead
of all this intrigue?
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article <klu2h55b5ift3ieuv...@4ax.com>,
> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> >Yep. We've got at least 4 different universes going; Spider-Man,
>> >Spider-Man-A*, Avengers, Thunderbolts. Probably more.
>> >
>> >*that being the Harry Osborn secret origin Spider book that they
>> >specifically said wasn't in the same continuity as anything else.
>>
>> Huh?
>
>One of the Spider books, the one with the 'how Harry returned from the
>dead' story, isn't in continuity with Dark Reign or whatever was going
>on that week. I forget if they said it in the book itself or as
>editorial. It makes no freaking sense, even by BND standards, because
>if that one book isn't in continuity with Dark Reign, but the book
>before and after are, then that book isn't in continuity with the books
>before and after it or anything else at all.
I remembered the story...but I just assumed it was in it's own little
world like the rest of Brand New Day...I didn't realize Marvel had
actually came out and said it.
>Oh, and I just read this week's THOR which reminds me, Thor isn't in the
>same continuity with Fantastic Four (at least Doom certainly isn't); why
>the Hel would Doom be vivisecting 2000 year old Asgardians for the
>secret of immortality when he's 65 million years old himself?
Well, that depends on whether or not the Millar story making Doom 65
million years old is in continuity at all (including within the FF
book its self)...I kind of doubt it...if they do acknowledge the story
it will probably only be to do away with it because there is no way
Doom will get to stay that powerful.
>And how can Doom not know that Don Blake is Thor, anyway? You'd expect
>his intelligence to be at least as good as Nick Fury's.
Well, it really hasn't been explored just how well the Don Blake/Thor
connection is known to the rest of the Marvel Universe.
>And why doesn't Loki just TELL Doom why he's murdering Don Blake instead
>of all this intrigue?
That part actually makes perfect sense...knowledge is power and
neither of them trust each other in the slightest.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:29:58 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <klu2h55b5ift3ieuv...@4ax.com>,
> > grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >Yep. We've got at least 4 different universes going; Spider-Man,
> >> >Spider-Man-A*, Avengers, Thunderbolts. Probably more.
> >> >
> >> >*that being the Harry Osborn secret origin Spider book that they
> >> >specifically said wasn't in the same continuity as anything else.
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >
> >One of the Spider books, the one with the 'how Harry returned from the
> >dead' story, isn't in continuity with Dark Reign or whatever was going
> >on that week. I forget if they said it in the book itself or as
> >editorial. It makes no freaking sense, even by BND standards, because
> >if that one book isn't in continuity with Dark Reign, but the book
> >before and after are, then that book isn't in continuity with the books
> >before and after it or anything else at all.
>
> I remembered the story...but I just assumed it was in it's own little
> world like the rest of Brand New Day...I didn't realize Marvel had
> actually came out and said it.
I know I read that it wasn't in continuity before I read the story
itself; who knows, might have been here. :)
>
> >Oh, and I just read this week's THOR which reminds me, Thor isn't in the
> >same continuity with Fantastic Four (at least Doom certainly isn't); why
> >the Hel would Doom be vivisecting 2000 year old Asgardians for the
> >secret of immortality when he's 65 million years old himself?
>
> Well, that depends on whether or not the Millar story making Doom 65
> million years old is in continuity at all (including within the FF
> book its self)...I kind of doubt it...if they do acknowledge the story
> it will probably only be to do away with it because there is no way
> Doom will get to stay that powerful.
Right. But *somewhere* we've got a story (at least) that doesn't count,
I'm just not sure which one it is.
>
> >And how can Doom not know that Don Blake is Thor, anyway? You'd expect
> >his intelligence to be at least as good as Nick Fury's.
>
> Well, it really hasn't been explored just how well the Don Blake/Thor
> connection is known to the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D., Doctor Strange, all a bunch of blabbermouths :)
>
> >And why doesn't Loki just TELL Doom why he's murdering Don Blake instead
> >of all this intrigue?
>
> That part actually makes perfect sense...knowledge is power and
> neither of them trust each other in the slightest.
But how stupid and trusting does this make Doom? "I want you to kill
this random civilian back in the states, but be very very very very
careful you get him on your first try"
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article <vs53h55hncc3h5mfm...@4ax.com>,
> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:29:58 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <klu2h55b5ift3ieuv...@4ax.com>,
>> > grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Yep. We've got at least 4 different universes going; Spider-Man,
>> >> >Spider-Man-A*, Avengers, Thunderbolts. Probably more.
>> >> >
>> >> >*that being the Harry Osborn secret origin Spider book that they
>> >> >specifically said wasn't in the same continuity as anything else.
>> >>
>> >> Huh?
>> >
>> >One of the Spider books, the one with the 'how Harry returned from the
>> >dead' story, isn't in continuity with Dark Reign or whatever was going
>> >on that week. I forget if they said it in the book itself or as
>> >editorial. It makes no freaking sense, even by BND standards, because
>> >if that one book isn't in continuity with Dark Reign, but the book
>> >before and after are, then that book isn't in continuity with the books
>> >before and after it or anything else at all.
>>
>> I remembered the story...but I just assumed it was in it's own little
>> world like the rest of Brand New Day...I didn't realize Marvel had
>> actually came out and said it.
>
>I know I read that it wasn't in continuity before I read the story
>itself; who knows, might have been here. :)
Oh, I'd say people are going to be trying to make sense of all this
Brand New Day bullshit (and what it does to Spiderman history) for
decades to come unless they pull their heads out of their asses and
fix it.
>> >Oh, and I just read this week's THOR which reminds me, Thor isn't in the
>> >same continuity with Fantastic Four (at least Doom certainly isn't); why
>> >the Hel would Doom be vivisecting 2000 year old Asgardians for the
>> >secret of immortality when he's 65 million years old himself?
>>
>> Well, that depends on whether or not the Millar story making Doom 65
>> million years old is in continuity at all (including within the FF
>> book its self)...I kind of doubt it...if they do acknowledge the story
>> it will probably only be to do away with it because there is no way
>> Doom will get to stay that powerful.
>
>Right. But *somewhere* we've got a story (at least) that doesn't count,
>I'm just not sure which one it is.
Marvel continuity is starting to get as bad as DC's
>> >And how can Doom not know that Don Blake is Thor, anyway? You'd expect
>> >his intelligence to be at least as good as Nick Fury's.
>>
>> Well, it really hasn't been explored just how well the Don Blake/Thor
>> connection is known to the rest of the Marvel Universe.
>
>Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D., Doctor Strange, all a bunch of blabbermouths :)
>>
>> >And why doesn't Loki just TELL Doom why he's murdering Don Blake instead
>> >of all this intrigue?
>>
>> That part actually makes perfect sense...knowledge is power and
>> neither of them trust each other in the slightest.
>
>But how stupid and trusting does this make Doom? "I want you to kill
>this random civilian back in the states, but be very very very very
>careful you get him on your first try"
No more stupid and trusting than any of the villains teaming up during
Dark Reign...stupid and trusting is the order of the day..
YKW (ad hoc)
news:vs53h55hncc3h5mfm...@4ax.com:
> Well, that depends on whether or not the Millar story making Doom 65
> million years old is in continuity at all (including within the FF
> book its self)...I kind of doubt it...if they do acknowledge the story
> it will probably only be to do away with it because there is no way
> Doom will get to stay that powerful.
Since Hickman just disposed of the last loose ends/remnants of the Millar
story this past week, I imagine that no one will ever speak of any of
those events, ever again. Doom may well be effectively immortal in-
continuity, but the entirety of the Core Marvel Universe -- including
Doom himself -- will go on from here never acting in any way as if that
were the case.
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"YKW (ad hoc)" <FluffyM...@foxnews.com> wrote:
> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in
> news:vs53h55hncc3h5mfm...@4ax.com:
>
> > Well, that depends on whether or not the Millar story making Doom 65
> > million years old is in continuity at all (including within the FF
> > book its self)...I kind of doubt it...if they do acknowledge the story
> > it will probably only be to do away with it because there is no way
> > Doom will get to stay that powerful.
>
> Since Hickman just disposed of the last loose ends/remnants of the Millar
> story this past week
Can you elaborate on that please?
grinningdemon
wrote:
>In article <Xns9CD1DB4CD5121...@69.16.185.247>,
> "YKW (ad hoc)" <FluffyM...@foxnews.com> wrote:
>
>> grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>> news:vs53h55hncc3h5mfm...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > Well, that depends on whether or not the Millar story making Doom 65
>> > million years old is in continuity at all (including within the FF
>> > book its self)...I kind of doubt it...if they do acknowledge the story
>> > it will probably only be to do away with it because there is no way
>> > Doom will get to stay that powerful.
>>
>> Since Hickman just disposed of the last loose ends/remnants of the Millar
>> story this past week
>
>Can you elaborate on that please?
The fake earth where all the future refugees went is in a bad way just
now...their sun turned into a black hole, a time warp caused years to
pass there while only weeks passed on the regular earth, most of the
people are dead, Alyssa Moy was a living brain in a jar (until said
jar was broken and her brain was stomped), and the portal to earth has
been permanently sealed...it was all kind of pointless, actually.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Okay, totally lost here; what does the fake Earth story have to do with
65m year old all powerful Doom? Wasn't he last seen headed back to
Latveria saying to stay away from him or he'd kill them good this time?
grinningdemon
wrote:
It has nothing to do with the Doom story other than that they were
both remnants of Millar's run...I assume whoever brought it up was
making the point that it was another part of Millar's FF run that has
been quickly dismissed...but it was at least acknowledged first, which
is more than we can say for the Doom story...at least so far.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
Ah, okay, got it now, thanks!
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>.it was all kind of pointless, actually.
...Which pretty much describes most of Millar's run on that book. Last
time the book was this pathetic was during the DeFalco run where Reed
was "dead" and Doom Jr. was a member of the team.
OM
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grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:44:14 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>.it was all kind of pointless, actually.
>
>...Which pretty much describes most of Millar's run on that book. Last
>time the book was this pathetic was during the DeFalco run where Reed
>was "dead" and Doom Jr. was a member of the team.
>
>
> OM
I don't disagree with you...but, when I said it was all kind of
pointless, I was talking about Hickman's story undoing Nu
Earth...there was really no reason to revisit it at all if it was only
throw it away in one issue...especially when said story was no better
than the one that created it...it was a pointless filler issue...and,
even though I didn't care for Millar's run (aside from baby genius
Val), I did like the character Alyssa Moy and hated to see her
discarded in such a thoroughly stupid way.
FSogol
> I did like the character Alyssa Moy and hated to see her
> discarded in such a thoroughly stupid way.
Any Marvel character that can't survive being reduced to a brain in a
jar and then being stomped isn't really trying.
--
FSogol
Rob Dye
wrote:
>
> Since Hickman just disposed of the last loose ends/remnants of the Millar
> story this past week, I imagine that no one will ever speak of any of
> those events, ever again.
I propose that this "never speaking of something again" be officially
referred to as "Judge Roy Snydering."
As in "That mess with Doom has been Judge Roy Snydered."
(Or would it be better to say it had been "Judge Royed" . . . ?)
Judge Roy Snyder was the judge who ordered the ruling of never
mentioning anything about the "Real Seymour Skinner" under penalty of
torture in “The Principal and The Pauper” episode of "The Simpsons."
Lilith
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Well, it really hasn't been explored just how well the Don Blake/Thor
>connection is known to the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Which I can actually see as being what BND was supposed to be...
magic. Asgardian spells could have been woven to befuddle anyone
finding out the connection between Blake and Thor who wasn't supposed
to know.
--
Lilith
Lilith
Maybe Nu Earth has a counterpart in another MU.
--
Lilith
Anim8rFSK
Lilith <lili...@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed, but who makes the list? Nick Fury apparently found out just by
spying, and Thor didn't know about it, so he's probably not pre-approved.
So who knew and how?
Nick Fury - spying
Doctor Strange?
Various Avengers?
Jane Foster - Blake blabbed.
Raymond Speer
Okay, uh the fake future Earth is gone, and the 65 million year old
Absolute Doom is forgotten, and the Council of Infinite Reeds is
disbanded,
so . . . .
Was Asgard resettled in Latveria?
Is Asgard back where it began, or is it in both places?
And when the eff are they cancelling "petticoat junction" (formerly
May's Household) and resuming the adventures of Spider Man? I expect
Quesada to introduce "The Return of the Cannonball" as the next
anniversary celebration and JJJ can be re-done as the nasty vice
president of the railroad who wants that old train to be scrapped.
YKW (ad hoc)
@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net:
> Was Asgard resettled in Latveria?
>
> Is Asgard back where it began, or is it in both places?
I =think= the Asgardian landmass is still in Oklahoma, while most of the
Asgardians themselves migrated to Latveria. That's certainly how I read
the last few issues of THOR (and the giant) when I flipped through them
for the first time a few days back, at least in the light of stuff like
SIEGE: THE CABAL and so forth.
Lilith
wrote:
>In article <m9ijh594mhv45o3e4...@4ax.com>,
> Lilith <lili...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:39:45 -0600, grinningdemon
>> <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Well, it really hasn't been explored just how well the Don Blake/Thor
>> >connection is known to the rest of the Marvel Universe.
>>
>> Which I can actually see as being what BND was supposed to be...
>> magic. Asgardian spells could have been woven to befuddle anyone
>> finding out the connection between Blake and Thor who wasn't supposed
>> to know.
>
>Agreed, but who makes the list? Nick Fury apparently found out just by
>spying, and Thor didn't know about it, so he's probably not pre-approved.
Not to mention that Fury probably had a number of operatives on it. If
I were writing the premise for such a thing I'd probably theorize that
the spell didn't work against anyone with non-threatening intentions
but also prevented them from having thoughts of using that information
in a threatening manner against Blake.
>So who knew and how?
>Nick Fury - spying
>Doctor Strange?
Could probably work around all the protections. Then again, Strange
has never had much reason to threaten Thor nor would he want to do so
against someone backed up by the Odinpower.
>Various Avengers?
Certainly non-threatening unless one of them went rogue.
>Jane Foster - Blake blabbed.
He was trying to impress her.
Does anyone remember if any villain ever discovered that Blake was
Thor? Or did anyone ever try to kill Thor by attacking the more
vulnerable Blake?
--
Lilith
Anim8rFSK
"YKW (ad hoc)" <FluffyM...@foxnews.com> wrote:
> ray...@webtv.net (Raymond Speer) wrote in news:27129-4B1A8CF2-2141
> @storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net:
>
> > Was Asgard resettled in Latveria?
> >
> > Is Asgard back where it began, or is it in both places?
>
> I =think= the Asgardian landmass is still in Oklahoma, while most of the
> Asgardians themselves migrated to Latveria. That's certainly how I read
> the last few issues of THOR (and the giant) when I flipped through them
> for the first time a few days back, at least in the light of stuff like
> SIEGE: THE CABAL and so forth.
Yes. They weren't able to move Asgard without Thor, and they made the
deal with Doom after tossing Thor out.
OM
wrote:
>Okay, totally lost here;
...In this case, you're totally forgiven. Anyone trying to make sense
of Millar's attempts to turn dessicating fecal matter into an FF run
is automatically granted exemption from having to comprehend whatever
he was trying to accomplish/screw up. That being said, I appreciated
Hickman's dumping that whole "Nu-Earth" mess, and the only thing he
could have done to further put paid to Millar's debacle was to reveal
that chick Ben almost married was actually all along a Doombot.
Bottom Line: If Millar's run had any saving grace, it was that it
replaced Tom DeFalco's run as the worst run in the history of the FF.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:37:48 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Okay, totally lost here;
>
>...In this case, you're totally forgiven. Anyone trying to make sense
>of Millar's attempts to turn dessicating fecal matter into an FF run
>is automatically granted exemption from having to comprehend whatever
>he was trying to accomplish/screw up. That being said, I appreciated
>Hickman's dumping that whole "Nu-Earth" mess, and the only thing he
>could have done to further put paid to Millar's debacle was to reveal
>that chick Ben almost married was actually all along a Doombot.
>
>Bottom Line: If Millar's run had any saving grace, it was that it
>replaced Tom DeFalco's run as the worst run in the history of the FF.
I wouldn't go that far...Millar's run wasn't particularly good but it
wasn't particularly bad either...it certainly wasn't the worst run in
the history of the FF...I'd say it was thoroughly mediocre...about on
par with JMS' and McDuffie's before it.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>I wouldn't go that far...Millar's run wasn't particularly good but it
>wasn't particularly bad either...it certainly wasn't the worst run in
>the history of the FF...I'd say it was thoroughly mediocre...about on
>par with JMS' and McDuffie's before it.
...McDuffie's problem was that he turned it into a "Black Panther"
spin-off book instead of keeping it as it should be with the core FF.
To date, the sole times that the FF has been able to retain its
effective identity with a member missing was when Crystal replaced Sue
during her first pregnancy, and Shulkie filling in for Ben. Other than
that, all the other swapouts and replacements upset and totally ruin
the group dynamics to where you may as well just give the team a new
name.
...Prior to the past three creative teams, the Waid/Ringo team did the
best of this decade, capping it off with reversing Byrne and Carlin's
retarded decision to kill off Valeria in birth back in the late 80's.
But now that Millar is gone on to do what the Hack Pack does best -
fuck something else up - maybe the new creative team will restore the
FF to their previous glory. If the elimination of Nu-World and Reed
wiping all the formulas off that stupid room are any indication, such
glory may not be far away.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:46:20 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I wouldn't go that far...Millar's run wasn't particularly good but it
>>wasn't particularly bad either...it certainly wasn't the worst run in
>>the history of the FF...I'd say it was thoroughly mediocre...about on
>>par with JMS' and McDuffie's before it.
>
>...McDuffie's problem was that he turned it into a "Black Panther"
>spin-off book instead of keeping it as it should be with the core FF.
>To date, the sole times that the FF has been able to retain its
>effective identity with a member missing was when Crystal replaced Sue
>during her first pregnancy, and Shulkie filling in for Ben. Other than
>that, all the other swapouts and replacements upset and totally ruin
>the group dynamics to where you may as well just give the team a new
>name.
Agreed...although I thought She Hulk was the only substitution that
ever really worked...Crystal was a much better fit with the Avengers.
>...Prior to the past three creative teams, the Waid/Ringo team did the
>best of this decade, capping it off with reversing Byrne and Carlin's
>retarded decision to kill off Valeria in birth back in the late 80's.
Agreed again...I really enjoyed the Waid/Ringo run.
>But now that Millar is gone on to do what the Hack Pack does best -
>fuck something else up - maybe the new creative team will restore the
>FF to their previous glory. If the elimination of Nu-World and Reed
>wiping all the formulas off that stupid room are any indication, such
>glory may not be far away.
I liked Hickman's first arc...and I like the art...but that story
eliminating Nu-world was totally pointless...not that I particularly
cared for that plotline, but it could have been easily ignored...there
was no reason to waste an issue undoing it...it also seems like
Hickman is taking Val's genius too far in claiming she's already
smarter than Reed...that was one of the few things Millar did that I
really liked but it could easily become annoying if not handled
properly...I thought PAD did a great job writing the FF kids in
X-Factor #200 and it makes me wonder what he would do on the FF book.
Raymond Speer
OM is 100% correct that the elimination of all those scribbled formulas
from the walls of that silly room was a positive sign. Like when Johnny
lost that flaming galpal who took a job with Galactus, or lost that
Skrull copy of Alicia Masters that he married Or when the John Byrne
characterization of Sue Richards was abandoned: no, deep down inside,
Sue is not a chains and leather dominatrix.
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> I liked Hickman's first arc...and I like the art...but that story
> eliminating Nu-world was totally pointless...
The 'time passes faster here than on Earth' bit had been done waaaaaaay
too recently with the FF & Spider-Man as well.
--
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Scott Eiler
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:56:57 -0600, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com>
> wrote:
>
> >...McDuffie's problem was that he turned it into a "Black Panther"
> >spin-off book instead of keeping it as it should be with the core FF.
> >To date, the sole times that the FF has been able to retain its
> >effective identity with a member missing was when Crystal replaced Sue
> >during her first pregnancy, and Shulkie filling in for Ben. Other than
> >that, all the other swapouts and replacements upset and totally ruin
> >the group dynamics to where you may as well just give the team a new
> >name.
>
> Agreed...although I thought She Hulk was the only substitution that
> ever really worked...Crystal was a much better fit with the Avengers.
Actually, I really liked the Black Panther / Storm FF. I also liked
having the Thing and the Torch as perpetual guest stars in the Black
Panther book. Yes, it changed the dynamic of both books, but in an
amusing way. Let's face it, the Panther usually needs some comic
relief.
grinningdemon
I have no problem with guest stars in the Black Panther book...but the
FF doesn't work without Reed and Sue...the FF is a family first and
not the standard super team which is why substitutions rarely ever
work.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>I liked Hickman's first arc...and I like the art...but that story
>eliminating Nu-world was totally pointless..
...Not really, if you're wanting to establish that the previous run of
FF was crap, and now that you're in charge you intend to make things
great again. It would have been the first thing I would have done,
right after having Franklin regain his powers long enough to blow
Osborn through a wall or twelve, and then say "Okay, Spidey. He's all
yours."
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Agreed again...I really enjoyed the Waid/Ringo run.
...Waid and I have had our differences ever since he pulled the first
Legion reboot debacle - he actually vowed to bust my nose when I
strongly suggested that if he couldn't save the book without a reboot,
then he should give the book to someone who could - I'm convinced that
this was the point after which Waid's talent went "phht." instead of
"BOOM!". Everything he's done after this has been complete and utter
shit, and to be honest he might oughta consider taking a really
extended sabbatical away from comics. At least until he regains his
edge and at least quits trying to churn out hack jobs like Bendis,
Millar and/or Loeb.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:30:44 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Agreed again...I really enjoyed the Waid/Ringo run.
>
>...Waid and I have had our differences ever since he pulled the first
>Legion reboot debacle - he actually vowed to bust my nose when I
>strongly suggested that if he couldn't save the book without a reboot,
>then he should give the book to someone who could - I'm convinced that
>this was the point after which Waid's talent went "phht." instead of
>"BOOM!". Everything he's done after this has been complete and utter
>shit, and to be honest he might oughta consider taking a really
>extended sabbatical away from comics. At least until he regains his
>edge and at least quits trying to churn out hack jobs like Bendis,
>Millar and/or Loeb.
The first Legion reboot was when he started going down hill? Or the
FF run? Because I think he did some great work in the 90s and early
00s...I loved his Captain America, JLA, Kingdom Come, FF, and even
Kazar...and, even though I was still annoyed at the prospect of
another reboot (especially since the Abnett/Lanning Legion was my
favorite version), I still liked some of the stuff he came up with on
that last Legion run...and, while the first reboot was weak and could
have been handled much better, I do think it was a good idea.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:30:44 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I liked Hickman's first arc...and I like the art...but that story
>>eliminating Nu-world was totally pointless..
>
>...Not really, if you're wanting to establish that the previous run of
>FF was crap, and now that you're in charge you intend to make things
>great again. It would have been the first thing I would have done,
>right after having Franklin regain his powers long enough to blow
>Osborn through a wall or twelve, and then say "Okay, Spidey. He's all
>yours."
But he's not ditching everything from the previous run...he's clearly
embracing Val the baby genius...and the story doing away with Nu World
wasn't a very good story anyway...it certainly wasn't great...and I
hate to see Alyssa Moy discarded like that because I actually do like
that character...I have since Claremont introduced her.
Billy Bissette
@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net:
I kind of liked Lyja. Mind, she probably only existed in order for
them to retcon Johnny's ill-conceived marriage to Alicia.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Agreed...although I thought She Hulk was the only substitution that
>ever really worked...Crystal was a much better fit with the Avengers.
...Crystal worked because of the love angle aspect between her and
Johnny that just never did seem to go anywhere even though it was
originally headed that way. Never did hear why Roy Thomas decided to
split them up, but I'd be curious as to why the decision was made. On
the other hand, it did set a precedent: Crystal tends to fall for guys
who have just gotten the living shit beaten out of them. First Pietro,
now Ronan. Why she hasn't run begging for Stark to have one of his
suits bone her escapes me.
Better still, where the fuck was she when I was getting my leg chopped
off last year? :-P
OM
wrote:
>no, deep down inside, Sue is not a chains and leather dominatrix.
...Nor is she June Cleaver anymore.
"Reed? Franklin blew up the Kree Homeworld again!"
"I'll talk to him, dear."
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>I have no problem with guest stars in the Black Panther book...but the
>FF doesn't work without Reed and Sue...the FF is a family first and
>not the standard super team which is why substitutions rarely ever
>work.
...Which dovetails back to my observation that She-Hulk worked as a
substitute for Ben, although now it's clear why: she became a part of
the family to the point where Johnny treated her just as he would Ben,
right down to the practical jokes. Remember the "She-Hulk nudes"
story? You almost could have swapped Ben and Shuklie and the story
would have still worked.
Well, otay, there *is* the issue of whether "Playgirl" would have paid
money for a picture of Ben without his diaper. Maybe "Geology
Today"...
OM
<bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
> I kind of liked Lyja. Mind, she probably only existed in order for
>them to retcon Johnny's ill-conceived marriage to Alicia.
...Yeah, most fans felt the whole Johnny/Alicia thing - no pun
intended there - wasn't best for the book, and next to having the
then-unnamed Valeria stillborn just to sabotage a bunch of betting
pools amongst the fans, it's considered one of three black marks
against Byrne's otherwise stellar run on the FF.
Still, you have to admit that the scene where Ben returns home from
Secret Wars to see Alicia and Johnny answers the door almost makes it
worth the tackyness...
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>But he's not ditching everything from the previous run...he's clearly
>embracing Val the baby genius...
...The problem with Val being a baby genius is the same one with
Franklin having powers that could kick the Sentry's butt without
raising a sweat: there's always the danger of any writer copping out
and letting Val save the day in two panels. It's what made Wil Wheaton
a despised person by most "Star Trek" fans, even though it wasn't his
fault that the writers kept having Wesley Crusher save the day.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>The first Legion reboot was when he started going down hill? Or the
>FF run?
...Sorry, let me clarify that. His talent took a nosedive *after* his
FF run with 'Ringo. Pretty much everything he's done since has been
total shit, with his "Threeboot" debacle and the adult Bart Allen
disasters tying for the absolute nadir of his career.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>even though I was still annoyed at the prospect of
>another reboot (especially since the Abnett/Lanning Legion was my
>favorite version), I still liked some of the stuff he came up with on
>that last Legion run...
...His "Threeboot" debacle turned the Legion into a bunch of whining,
spoiled brats who were saving the universe not because it was the
right thing to do, but because it pissed off their parents. That's NOT
what the Legion was ever about, and I still honestly can't understand
how Levitz could have allowed Didio to let Waid get away with that
stunt. His run had only one thing going for it, and that was Barry
Kitson's art. And even Kitson realized what Waid was doing was an
insult to any Legion fan, which is why he bailed back for Marvel.
The only way "Threeboot" could have been worse was if Oliver "Ol'
Scratchy" Coipel had been paired up with Waid, and he almost sank the
DnA run before it left the dock...
Scott Eiler
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:11:45 -0600, grinningdemon
>
> >I have no problem with guest stars in the Black Panther book...but the
> >FF doesn't work without Reed and Sue...the FF is a family first and
> >not the standard super team which is why substitutions rarely ever
> >work.
Reed and Sue said going in to that story, they were looking for new
family to temporarily graft on to Ben and Johnny. I understand the
substitutions rarely work, but I think that one did.
> ...Which dovetails back to my observation that She-Hulk worked as a
> substitute for Ben, although now it's clear why: she became a part of
> the family to the point where Johnny treated her just as he would Ben,
> right down to the practical jokes. Remember the "She-Hulk nudes"
> story? You almost could have swapped Ben and Shuklie and the story
> would have still worked.
Ororo became part of the family to the point where she and Johnny
watched TV together. Thankfully, he didn't pull practical jokes on
her or act like an @$$hole as sometimes he does. Would you, if
T'Challa was watching?
Anyway, I enjoyed the dynamic.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:30:44 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Agreed...although I thought She Hulk was the only substitution that
>>ever really worked...Crystal was a much better fit with the Avengers.
>
>...Crystal worked because of the love angle aspect between her and
>Johnny that just never did seem to go anywhere even though it was
>originally headed that way. Never did hear why Roy Thomas decided to
>split them up, but I'd be curious as to why the decision was made. On
>the other hand, it did set a precedent: Crystal tends to fall for guys
>who have just gotten the living shit beaten out of them. First Pietro,
>now Ronan. Why she hasn't run begging for Stark to have one of his
>suits bone her escapes me.
She also seems to have a rather short attention span when it comes to
guys...she's totally in love one minute and stepping out on them the
next.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:17:23 -0600, Billy Bissette
><bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>> I kind of liked Lyja. Mind, she probably only existed in order for
>>them to retcon Johnny's ill-conceived marriage to Alicia.
>
>...Yeah, most fans felt the whole Johnny/Alicia thing - no pun
>intended there - wasn't best for the book, and next to having the
>then-unnamed Valeria stillborn just to sabotage a bunch of betting
>pools amongst the fans, it's considered one of three black marks
>against Byrne's otherwise stellar run on the FF.
>
>Still, you have to admit that the scene where Ben returns home from
>Secret Wars to see Alicia and Johnny answers the door almost makes it
>worth the tackyness...
It's been too long since I read it...but Lyja did start to grow on me
after a while.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:10:06 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>But he's not ditching everything from the previous run...he's clearly
>>embracing Val the baby genius...
>
>...The problem with Val being a baby genius is the same one with
>Franklin having powers that could kick the Sentry's butt without
>raising a sweat: there's always the danger of any writer copping out
>and letting Val save the day in two panels. It's what made Wil Wheaton
>a despised person by most "Star Trek" fans, even though it wasn't his
>fault that the writers kept having Wesley Crusher save the day.
That's more or less exactly what happens in the story doing away with
Nu Earth...Val saves the day in two panels...more or less.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:06:15 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>The first Legion reboot was when he started going down hill? Or the
>>FF run?
>
>...Sorry, let me clarify that. His talent took a nosedive *after* his
>FF run with 'Ringo. Pretty much everything he's done since has been
>total shit, with his "Threeboot" debacle and the adult Bart Allen
>disasters tying for the absolute nadir of his career.
Waid didn't write the Bart Allen Flash series...it was the guys
responsible for the 90s TV show.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:06:15 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>even though I was still annoyed at the prospect of
>>another reboot (especially since the Abnett/Lanning Legion was my
>>favorite version), I still liked some of the stuff he came up with on
>>that last Legion run...
>
>...His "Threeboot" debacle turned the Legion into a bunch of whining,
>spoiled brats who were saving the universe not because it was the
>right thing to do, but because it pissed off their parents. That's NOT
>what the Legion was ever about, and I still honestly can't understand
>how Levitz could have allowed Didio to let Waid get away with that
>stunt. His run had only one thing going for it, and that was Barry
>Kitson's art. And even Kitson realized what Waid was doing was an
>insult to any Legion fan, which is why he bailed back for Marvel.
I can't believe Levitz let Didio get away with half the shit that's
come out in the last several years.
>The only way "Threeboot" could have been worse was if Oliver "Ol'
>Scratchy" Coipel had been paired up with Waid, and he almost sank the
>DnA run before it left the dock...
Yes yes...you've made your feelings for Coipel quite clear by now...I
actually liked his work on Legion...as for Waid's Legion, I liked the
way he wrote certain characters like Cosmic Boy and Brainy...and I
thought his over all plots were decent...it was much better than
Shooter's follow up (although I did love Manapul's art).
grinningdemon
<sei...@eilertech.com> wrote:
>On Dec 17, 7:47 pm, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:11:45 -0600, grinningdemon
>>
>> <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> >I have no problem with guest stars in the Black Panther book...but the
>> >FF doesn't work without Reed and Sue...the FF is a family first and
>> >not the standard super team which is why substitutions rarely ever
>> >work.
>
>Reed and Sue said going in to that story, they were looking for new
>family to temporarily graft on to Ben and Johnny. I understand the
>substitutions rarely work, but I think that one did.
To each his own.
>> ...Which dovetails back to my observation that She-Hulk worked as a
>> substitute for Ben, although now it's clear why: she became a part of
>> the family to the point where Johnny treated her just as he would Ben,
>> right down to the practical jokes. Remember the "She-Hulk nudes"
>> story? You almost could have swapped Ben and Shuklie and the story
>> would have still worked.
>
>Ororo became part of the family to the point where she and Johnny
>watched TV together. Thankfully, he didn't pull practical jokes on
>her or act like an @$$hole as sometimes he does. Would you, if
>T'Challa was watching?
>
>Anyway, I enjoyed the dynamic.
I love both characters and I even like them married (though that whole
thing could have been handled better) but I don't think they fit in
the FF...to me, Reed and Sue are irreplacable to the team...Johnny and
Ben can be temporarily replaced (under certain circumstances) but not
Reed and Sue.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Waid didn't write the Bart Allen Flash series...it was the guys
>responsible for the 90s TV show.
...Yeah, that's right. He wrote the return of Wally, Linda and the
Kids, tho, which worked almost as bad.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Yes yes...you've made your feelings for Coipel quite clear by now.
...And reserve the right to continue to do so until the day arrives
that Ol' Scratchy publically apologizes for his pathetic excuse for
"art" on that book, and confess that he uses deformed fruits and
vegetables for head shape models.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:18:16 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Waid didn't write the Bart Allen Flash series...it was the guys
>>responsible for the 90s TV show.
>
>...Yeah, that's right. He wrote the return of Wally, Linda and the
>Kids, tho, which worked almost as bad.
I didn't think much of that run either (although I loved most of his
first Flash run) but it wasn't that bad...Bart's series was just
awful...the premise was terrible and it was so blatantly obvious that
the writers wanted to be writing Barry.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:21:58 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Yes yes...you've made your feelings for Coipel quite clear by now.
>
>...And reserve the right to continue to do so until the day arrives
>that Ol' Scratchy publically apologizes for his pathetic excuse for
>"art" on that book, and confess that he uses deformed fruits and
>vegetables for head shape models.
More or less how I feel about everything Frank Quietly does...but I'm
not holding my breath waiting on that apology.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:21:58 -0600, grinningdemon
>><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes yes...you've made your feelings for Coipel quite clear by now.
>>
>>...And reserve the right to continue to do so until the day arrives
>>that Ol' Scratchy publically apologizes for his pathetic excuse for
>>"art" on that book, and confess that he uses deformed fruits and
>>vegetables for head shape models.
>
>More or less how I feel about everything Frank Quietly does...but I'm
>not holding my breath waiting on that apology.
...The biggest complaints I've heard about Quitley's art has to do
with his faces. I've seen plausible arguments that he's using Don Imus
as a face model, considering how squinty-eyed and constipated-looking
a lot of the characters he draws come out looking. Even more damning
are the complaints about the lips he draws on Batman, which I've
heard/read best described as "Dick-Sucking Lips". But what the frack?
Byrne can't draw faces worth a damn either ;-p
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:10:21 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:21:58 -0600, grinningdemon
>>><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes yes...you've made your feelings for Coipel quite clear by now.
>>>
>>>...And reserve the right to continue to do so until the day arrives
>>>that Ol' Scratchy publically apologizes for his pathetic excuse for
>>>"art" on that book, and confess that he uses deformed fruits and
>>>vegetables for head shape models.
>>
>>More or less how I feel about everything Frank Quietly does...but I'm
>>not holding my breath waiting on that apology.
>
>...The biggest complaints I've heard about Quitley's art has to do
>with his faces. I've seen plausible arguments that he's using Don Imus
>as a face model, considering how squinty-eyed and constipated-looking
>a lot of the characters he draws come out looking. Even more damning
>are the complaints about the lips he draws on Batman, which I've
>heard/read best described as "Dick-Sucking Lips". But what the frack?
>Byrne can't draw faces worth a damn either ;-p
Byrne is far beyond Quitley...hell, I can do better than Quitley (and
I can't draw for shit)...that said, I don't really care how he draws
Batwing because it's not Batman and the art is only one of many
reasons not to bother with that book...I was far more upset about the
way he drew the X-Men.
OM
<grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>.I was far more upset about the way [Quitley] drew the X-Men.
...I dropped the X-books a while back when Chuckles Austen was fucking
things up beyond repair, so the only bits I did see were some of the
covers. I have to admit that Emma's facial characteristics just looked
really...odd. Like some sort of racial mixture where she was 1/2
caucasian, 1/2 asiatic and 1/2 Down's syndrome. But again, this goes
back to his not being able to draw facial anatomy very accurately.
I take it you didn't care for "Flex Mentallo" either, then?
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:53:15 -0600, grinningdemon
><grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>.I was far more upset about the way [Quitley] drew the X-Men.
>
>...I dropped the X-books a while back when Chuckles Austen was fucking
>things up beyond repair, so the only bits I did see were some of the
>covers. I have to admit that Emma's facial characteristics just looked
>really...odd. Like some sort of racial mixture where she was 1/2
>caucasian, 1/2 asiatic and 1/2 Down's syndrome. But again, this goes
>back to his not being able to draw facial anatomy very accurately.
>
>I take it you didn't care for "Flex Mentallo" either, then?
I haven't read it yet, actually...I only read part of Morrison's Doom
Patrol (that is where the character came from, right?) so the spin-off
mini kind of blew right past me...but it's not faces Quitley has
trouble with...most of his characters (at least the males) look like
lumpy, misshapen freaks...everytime I see something drawn by him it
makes me think of that guy from the Goonies whose family kept him
chained in the basement.
YKW (ad hoc)
news:06oni51q2t74io2s9...@4ax.com:
> ...The biggest complaints I've heard about Quitley's art has to do
> with his faces. I've seen plausible arguments that he's using Don Imus
> as a face model, considering how squinty-eyed and constipated-looking
> a lot of the characters he draws come out looking.
Giant heads, tiny faces. Every male face he draws reminds me of Charles
Burns, only "realistic".
> Even more damning
> are the complaints about the lips he draws on Batman, which I've
> heard/read best described as "Dick-Sucking Lips". But what the frack?
> Byrne can't draw faces worth a damn either ;-p
>
Byrne can't =ink= faces (or any other item requiring detail, for that
matter) but, when given a compatible inker not named "Terry" or ""Bob"
(just re-read the 1970s Wundagore AVENGERS arc last night, so the
combination of Byrne and Janson sticks out prominently in my mind), they
look perfectly human.
Something Quitely's men never quite manage.
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