> >And the characters didn't really seem very well fleshed out. Possibly > >this is a problem with the miniseries, but I found myself far more > >interested in the main characters, than the plot and themes of this > >comic, but somehow your portayal of them was sketchy.
> Ouch. I *hope* that's not true...
Well its only a view...
Something else that occurs to me though. There was a sense of wonder in the Christmas preview, which seemed to be missing in the mini-series. Nothing I can put my finger on (mainly because I'm in the process of moving, so can't dig out the relevent issues...), but...
Steve Gerber wrote: > Secondly, I'd like to hear what any or all of you thought of NEVADA, > now that the first mini has concluded.
I loved it. Re-reading it yesterday, I found it quite startling just how far it travelled from beginning to end; I thought the first issue was pretty weird, but it seems like the definition of normality now!
I also have to say that issue 4 is the best single issue of any comic I have read in many years.
I was wondering after number 5 how the fuck it was going to wrap up by the end of 6, but I was totally satisfied in the end; there was a real ending, but it was still left open. That's a damn hard trick to get right, man.
I showed the first few issues to a couple of my friends. Both of them ran out and tried to find them but alas! all the local comic shops had sold out. Both of them are waiting for a TPB and hanging out for the second mini now.
> i enjoyed it, but have a feeling i'd have liked it more if it stuck to the > monthly schedule and was an ongoing series rather than a mini (or series > of minis). perhaps it's something psychological, but the last issue felt > like it came to its conclusion much too quickly even as it set up the next > series - but the biggest problem there is that we have to wait a > relatively long while before the next installment. is there basically no > chance of an ongoing series?
Personally, I'd rather Gerber took the time to get his ideas together rather than rushing out an issue every month for no reason other than "an issue's due out this month."
This is wholly conjecture on my part, but I think that part of the reason Preacher's been slow lately is because Garth Ennis is doing too damn much at once (though I've liked the last couple of issues quite a lot).
Maybe other people would rather see hurried, half-finished stuff instead though.
Steve Gerber wrote: > >"Sure, she was a sex object, but she was a realistic-looking sex > >object." Is that what comics have come to? (Sadly, I believe the > >answer is yes.)
> Oy. No, Johanna. She was sexy but *not* an object. Fortunately for > the propagation of the species (assuming one considers its propagation > fortunate), such a condition is possible in both men and women.
Beautiful.
I know, I know, I'm not supposed to post a big quote with a one-word "me-too" response. That's why I added this.
Steve Gerber wrote: > One other thing, Johanna -- Nevada isn't a stripper, a hooker, *or* an > exotic dancer. She's a dancer, period. You saw her act with Bolero > in NEVADA #1. She's wearing exactly the same costume when she leaves > the stage as when she makes her entrance. And nowhere in the series > is it even vaguely *suggested* that she trades sex for money.
Oops. I called her a stripper in another post. I stand corrected. But she DOES live in the desert.
>> >quality books end up running late somewhere along the line.
>> But they don't have to, and they shouldn't, imo.
>That's right. I'll take timely over quality every time.
You missed the point; why should we have to choose one or the other? Especially if you're doing a four or six issue miniseries instead of a continuing series.
Bradly E. Peterson wrote: > SGer...@pacbell.net (Steve Gerber) done said this here deal: >>I'd like to hear what any or all of you thought of NEVADA, >>now that the first mini has concluded. > I dug it. Make more.
<HomerSimpson> Mmmmm... more Nevada... </HomerSimpson>
> >By the way, is "Cian" pronounced "chan", "shan", or "cyan"? Just > >curious.
> Bob.
> Samael
Damnit, this is supposed to be a place for serious intellectual discussion about all those gloomy aren't-we-mature titles Vertigo is nice enough to put out each month, and here you go and make me laugh.... Fuck. Ruined my whole day....
>By the way, is "Cian" pronounced "chan", "shan", or "cyan"? Just >curious.
"sin-KEV-itch"
Cheers, Todd -- Windows98 makes the internet as easy to navigate as your local computer, but it does this by making your hard drive look like a badly-designed web site.
> Anyway, I still find it interesting that the mostly-naked woman > was featured on every cover. But whatever it takes to catch those > fanboys, right?
Is your point (whatever it is) really so weak that you have to lie to support it? Nevada isn't in her stage costume (mostly-naked, as you call it) on two of the six covers. And three of those where she is are set in the Rift, where she was so dressed in the story (I'm not sure why Bolero was on the cover of the last one, in that case, but I suppose it was to catch those fanboys with ostrich fetishs).
kingmo...@aol.com (KingMobUK) done said this here deal:
>>Nope. The costume came from the suits upstairs. The Casino did >>the theme, and Nevada just danced to the tune they played. Hell, >>she might as well have been wearing a McDonald's outfit or >>Janitor's overalls, fer crissakes! It was the "company uniform" >>for the most part.
>And this is a statment of fact? Or your inferral from the book? >If the latter, my inferral is as valid as yours I'm afraid as >often entertainers are hired *because* of the popularity of their >particular routine. Forgive me if I think Nevada a stronger >character rather than one under the thumb of corporate rule.
Hmm... Didn't mean to imply that. Oh no. I meant that she's wearing the uniform that came with the gig, whether she had it made, made it herself or the suits said, "here, wear this." I probably should have said that the THEME was the suit's idea, rather than the costume itself. That states it better, I think.
johann...@aol.com (JohannaLD) wrote: >>If you recall, the inspiration for the series came from an old issue >>of HOWARD THE DUCK >If I could recall things I'd never read, I'd think I was one of your >characters. :)
But you said that you read Nevada.
>Anyway, I still find it interesting that the mostly-naked woman >was featured on every cover. But whatever it takes to catch those >fanboys, right?
Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> wrote: > That nicely sums up my reaction as well. I've read enough weird stuff > before that this didn't blaze any new territory for me. In fact, I > was a little struck that it fazed Nevada as much as it did. It seems > like someone as bright as Nevada seems to be would have heard of > subjective interpretations of reality and regained her feet a little > quicker. But maybe I'm just reading too much Invisibles.
Hm, am I the only one on this group who can truthfully say "I've never read a single issue of Invisibles"?
There's a difference between hearing about something and being confronted with it face to face. Whether it be metaphysics, alligators, talking ducks stranded in Cleveland, or whatever.
And just 'cause someone's bright doesn't mean that they've heard of the same shit you have. Intelligence is not knowledge (and vice versa).
Much as I loved this first mini, it did feel a bit like an introduction rather than the whole story. Which is fine by me.
> The other problem that I had was that the ending wasn't. The story's > obviously not over, and rally not at any more of a stopping point than > between issue 4 and 5. So what was the point of saying it was a six > issue mini? (Other than practical ones: that's what Vertigo would > give you.)
The ending wasn't a "Catch the killer, kiss the kids and go to bed" ending, but it was definitely an ending. I was satisfied by it.
If it'd stopped between 4 and 5, Nevada would have been lying shattered on the floor and noone would have been happy. As it was, she got home and started to put her life back together, knowing that nothing would ever be the same again. So there were lots of plot threads still unresolved; so what? Before I'd even picked up the first issue I'd heard this was planned as the first of a series of minis. This suggested to me that it was a story arc, not a complete entity unto itself.
Pearce (wishes he still had his old "Howard the Duck" comics)
> >> >quality books end up running late somewhere along the line.
> >> But they don't have to, and they shouldn't, imo.
> >That's right. I'll take timely over quality every time.
> You missed the point; why should we have to choose one or the > other?
Err... I'm speechless. Obviously you're not an artist then...
> Especially if you're doing a four or six issue miniseries > instead of a continuing series.
Well there is that, but there could be a perfectly good reason why it was delayed by two weeks (you have a problem with two weeks. Two weeks! I didn't even notice the delay myself).
In article <19980924194456.01293.00001...@ng79.aol.com>, JohannaLD <johann...@aol.com> writes
>>That's right. I'll take timely over quality every time.
>You missed the point; why should we have to choose one or the >other? Especially if you're doing a four or six issue miniseries >instead of a continuing series.
Because life's not always predictable enough to be able to be sure that the same amount of time will be available *without fail* every month to write/letter/draw/colour/whatever. Sometimes, it will happen that someone's budgie dies, or their house gets blown up by marxist lemmings, which will kind of put a crimp in the publishing schedule.
I agree, there is slightly less of an excuse with a mini, in that companies could wait until all the issues of a mini are complete and ready to go before even soliciting it, but that means they're sitting on things that could be making them money if they release them, which I'm sure they're not over fond of. Even then, there may be simple things like shipping delays, freak weather, warehouse fires, printers going under, and so on that coulkd conspire to keep a comic late.
>> >> >quality books end up running late somewhere along the line.
>> >> But they don't have to, and they shouldn't, imo.
>> >That's right. I'll take timely over quality every time.
>> You missed the point; why should we have to choose one or the >> other?
>Err... I'm speechless. Obviously you're not an artist then...
>> Especially if you're doing a four or six issue miniseries >> instead of a continuing series.
>Well there is that, but there could be a perfectly good reason why it >was delayed by two weeks (you have a problem with two weeks. Two weeks! >I didn't even notice the delay myself).
With something as short as a six issue miniseries, they could have got the first couple of issues in the bag before they started shipping the series. That way they couldn't have fallen behind unless the writer/artist fell more than 2 months behind.
For a ompany of DC's size, this would not be difficult.
Jeff and Sheri Koenig wrote in message <360AFA89.7...@concentric.net>...
>Samael wrote:
>> >By the way, is "Cian" pronounced "chan", "shan", or "cyan"? Just >> >curious.
>> Bob.
>> Samael
>Damnit, this is supposed to be a place for serious intellectual >discussion about all those gloomy aren't-we-mature titles Vertigo is >nice enough to put out each month, and here you go and make me laugh.... >Fuck. Ruined my whole day....
>-Jeff (pronounced Atreiyu)
So, did you think the film did any justice to the book? I thought it was steaming pile of poo myself, while the book was marvellous.
In article <6ucljo$6f...@marina.cinenet.net>, Ted Faber <fa...@lunabase.org> wrote:
>My take on the costume at the rift? After the stupid get-up you had >Ogden in, I figured all rift warriors were supposed to dress like they >were Dungeons and Dragons characters. Assuming that's the case, I >think you should get Phil Foglio to do an issue. Or Boris Vallejo.
Boris Vallejo does comics?
That would be a laugh...I could use a good flashback to adolescence :-)
