James Cameron directs AQUAMAN: THE MOVIE
Ken from Chicago
(C), but this season-long arc on HBO's ENTOURAGE has made me want to see
that. Cameron can do big blockbuster movies, science fiction, and even water
and underwater movies. He'd be perfect for the job.
I want my AQUAMAN: THE MOVIE, a film by James Cameron
This would be a great bit of stealth marketing / product placement if DC and
WB are really doing this considering the tv show is the "It" show in
Hollywood, half of whom wouldn't know Aquaman from Adam or the Atom.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. And a "screenplay by Peter David" wouldn't hurt either.
Lynley James
What's this entourage thingy about? I read a short interview with
Mark Wahlberg where he refers to Cameron jokingly telling him to lobby
for an Aquaman film. They mention something about an Aquaman film in
this show.
Lynley
Ken from Chicago
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It's a comedy about the life of a rising Hollywood actor and his three best
friends: Eric aka "E", who's become his manager, "Turtle" who kinda is like
a gofer, and Johnny aka "Drama", his brother and who had been a star "back
in the day". His "entourage".
Oh and Ari, his agent, played by Chicago's own, Jeremy Piven, who just got
an Emmy nomination (his first ever) for the role.
-- Ken from Chicago
Jeremy Henderson
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Okay, maybe James Cameron isn't directing AQUAMAN: THE MOVIE in Real Life
>(C), but this season-long arc on HBO's ENTOURAGE has made me want to see
>that. Cameron can do big blockbuster movies, science fiction, and even water
>and underwater movies. He'd be perfect for the job.
>
>I want my AQUAMAN: THE MOVIE, a film by James Cameron
>
>This would be a great bit of stealth marketing / product placement if DC and
>WB are really doing this considering the tv show is the "It" show in
>Hollywood, half of whom wouldn't know Aquaman from Adam or the Atom.
Yes, but HBO is owned by Viacom/Paramount. If anything, the show has
probably killed any chance of an Aquaman movie in the near future.,
since WB wouldn't want to appear like they're taking ideas from a show
produced by a rival studio.
Tim Turnip
You're mistaken, HBO is indeed owned by DC's parent Time Warner
(http://www.timewarner.com/corp/businesses/index.html). What you may
be thinking of is the situation of Comedy Central, which is partly
owned by Viacom, and partly owned by Time Warner, through HBO.
However, HBO itself is completely owned by Time Warner -- or more
specifically, they own about 75% of it now, with the rest having been
sold off to the cable company MediaOne and other smaller outfits.
Jeremy Henderson
wrote:
You're right. I was thinking that Comedy Central was owned entirely by
Viacom, and I knew that HBO and Comedy Central were corporate
siblings, so HBO must also be owned by Viacom. Thanks for pointing
this out.
So an Aquaman movie isn't out of the question, though Cameron as a
director is unlikely given his long working relationship with Fox.
Ken from Chicago
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This in the year of DUKES OF HAZARD, BEWITCHED, WAR OF THE WORLDS, BATMAN
BEGINS, THE LONGEST YARD, CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTOR and FANTASTIC
FOUR. Yeah, Hollywood is all about originality.
If anything, swiping another studio's idea and making a mint off it is even
SWEETER.
-- Ken from Chicago
M.O.R
or haven't, I don't think you'd be lobbying for a Cameron directed
Superhero movie, since he really does not seem to get heroes at all,
and while some of his movies in the past have been successful, tho not
all good, and some terrible, **cough**Titanic**Cough**, his other
endeavours, such as Strange Days, Dark Angel, etc, have done very
poorly. I dunno about you, but a JC movie filled entirely with Special
effects and very little story, would not get my dough.
Ken from Chicago
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ALIENS (the rare sequel better than the original)
TERMINATOR
TERMINATOR 2: JUDGEMENT DAY (see above about sequels)
THE ABYSS
TITANIC (hey, I liked it, 200 million on boat and Leo, and Kate somewhat,
steal the show)
He directs better than when he merely produces (STRANGE DAYS, DARK ANGEL).
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Then again, maybe his version might not be as good as Peter David's
version.
Lynley James
I have to agree with the first four films, but Titanic?! I kinda
liked Dark Angel, but lost interest when I heard it was cancelled, we
only got it here about a year and half after it aired in the US.
Lynley
Ken from Chicago
One bad Celine Dion theme song does not totally undo the movie.
Heeeere ... faaaaar ...
Whereeeeeeever you aaaare
The film will go oooooooo-ooooon.
Oh yeah, and at 3:30 you got more movie bang for your movie buck.
-- Ken from Chicago
Brian Doyle
> or haven't, I don't think you'd be lobbying for a Cameron directed
> Superhero movie, since he really does not seem to get heroes at all,
So we find out Aquaman is actually the revived body of a young, blond man
found floating in a block of ice in the North Atlantic sometime after 1912?
;)
Ken from Chicago
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Aquaman is Captain America?
-- Ken from Chicago
Tim Turnip
<kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Jeremy Henderson" <hel...@tampabay.BABYJESUSHATESSPAM.rr.com> wrote in
>message news:9fbeg1t6ha3u7dcnk...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:27:11 -0500, "Ken from Chicago"
>> <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Okay, maybe James Cameron isn't directing AQUAMAN: THE MOVIE in Real Life
>>>(C), but this season-long arc on HBO's ENTOURAGE has made me want to see
>>>that. Cameron can do big blockbuster movies, science fiction, and even
>>>water
>>>and underwater movies. He'd be perfect for the job.
>>>
>>>I want my AQUAMAN: THE MOVIE, a film by James Cameron
>>>
>>>This would be a great bit of stealth marketing / product placement if DC
>>>and
>>>WB are really doing this considering the tv show is the "It" show in
>>>Hollywood, half of whom wouldn't know Aquaman from Adam or the Atom.
>>
>> Yes, but HBO is owned by Viacom/Paramount. If anything, the show has
>> probably killed any chance of an Aquaman movie in the near future.,
>> since WB wouldn't want to appear like they're taking ideas from a show
>> produced by a rival studio.
>
>This in the year of DUKES OF HAZARD, BEWITCHED, WAR OF THE WORLDS, BATMAN
>BEGINS, THE LONGEST YARD, CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTOR and FANTASTIC
>FOUR. Yeah, Hollywood is all about originality.
Hollywood is adaptation-crazy, but your proposed Aquaman film or any
comics translation would of course fall into the same category.
Ken from Chicago
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Never said it wouldn't. Merely countering the reply that Hollywood would be
opposed to the idea because it would be mimicking someone else's idea.
-- Ken from Chicago
Brian Doyle
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I knew someone would spot that, hence my comment about 1912... though if
he's found after 1945 I agree it'd be even stevens...
M.O.R
Strange days, he co-wrote the script, and that was a very,very bad
film. The most recent best one, T2, is over 15 yrs old, and een thos
the Terminator films were good, remember Harlan Ellison sued him for
stealing the majority of the film's idea, so much so that now the DVD
gives H.E. a writing credit. In his most recent film, there were holes
in the story you could put the boat through.
But I'd have to say that I would definetly not like to see an Aquaman
movie by Cameron, just would not interest me at all.
Mark J. Reed
>But how old are alot of those great movies, and tho he only produced
>film.
That's a matter of opinion. I rather enjoyed "Strange Days", and while
it's not breaking any top-N lists on the IMDb, a 6.9 is at least respectable.
>The most recent best one, T2, is over 15 yrs old,
The most recent best one? Your double-superlative confuses me. Surely you
don't mean "the most recent good one", since that would leave out "True Lies",
along with a little film you may have heard of called "Titanic" - you know, the
multiple-Academy-Award-winning Best Picture of 1997? Also, "Dark Angel"
was actually good for one season . . .
Ken from Chicago
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Psst, look upthread. He counts TITANIC as proof of Cameron's BAD track
record.
-- Ken from Chicago
Brian Doyle
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>
> One bad Celine Dion theme song does not totally undo the movie.
No, but dull leads and historical messing around just "to make a better
movie" (Such as the notion of a lower decks passenger being able to get on
board so soon before departure etc) and particularly including an entirely
unjustified piece of character assassination of an actual person certainly
don't help it's claim to greatness.
And of course, any movie where the male lead is prettier than the female
lead has issues!
Ken from Chicago
The fact that you're noticing the prettiness of the male lead as opposed to
the female lead undermines you critique over others having issues.
And who cares how soon the poor boarded the ship?
And character assassination? Five words: "Based on a true story".
-- Ken from Chicago
Brian Doyle
> > No, but dull leads and historical messing around just "to make a better
> > movie" (Such as the notion of a lower decks passenger being able to get
on
> > board so soon before departure etc) and particularly including an
entirely
> > unjustified piece of character assassination of an actual person
certainly
> > don't help it's claim to greatness.
> >
> > And of course, any movie where the male lead is prettier than the female
> > lead has issues!
>
> The fact that you're noticing the prettiness of the male lead as opposed
to
> the female lead undermines you critique over others having issues.
What issues? I'm fairly open about such things. Aside from the fact it's a
subjective aesthetic judgement, the main body of my criticism had already
described the leads as dull (a far worse crime). I'd hoped that the fact I
put the prettiness qyuote (and I am far from the first to draw that
comparison) in the "and finally" portion of the post in it's own paragraph,
and the terms used, was, I had hoped, enough to indicate that I was
intending THAT part as a piece of light hearted criticism rather than a
reasoned critique.
> And character assassination? Five words: "Based on a true story".
I don't know about you, but taking a _real_ person, William Murdoch, with
family and descendents, whose herosim was noted at the time, and turning him
into a murdering lunatic, for the sake of a plot point, ranks high on my
scuzz-ometer..
Check
http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic's%20first%20officer%20william%20murdoch.shtml for details.
lclough
>
> But I'd have to say that I would definetly not like to see an Aquaman
> movie by Cameron, just would not interest me at all.
>
I must say I would like to see -an- Aquaman movie, however. It
would have to be Done Right, which would mean that CGI would
have to make another quantum leap in quality. (All those
underwater effects, plus the sea creatures...) And I would lose
all the angsty hook stuff, and go right back to the original.
Brenda
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Upcoming short fiction in FIRST HEROES (TOR, May '04)
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M.O.R
that was character assassination of the highest order, in my opinion,
what with the majority of Ailee Wuornos victims in real life being
entirely innocent of the crimes alleged by the film, ie their murder's
were self defence, when only of the real victims is believed to have
been killed in self defence
M.O.R
regularly topped worst Best film in polls, recently done by Johnathan
Ross of the BBC, a respected film critic in Britain, along with James
Cameron's oscar for best director being voted least deserving, as voted
for by the viewers. And if you are going to argue for the oscar as
proof of it being a good film, then look at Forest Gump and Chicago,
two films which were dreadful compared to the other films which were
released that same year, particularly Forest Gump, which came out
oppossite Pulp Fiction, Ed Wood, and Shawshank Redemption, and Chicago,
which came out in the same year as LOTR, a film which was broke
barriers and yet went ignored in the major categories, which it
deserved to win over the rest of the competition. The Oscar has meant
very little in recent years in terms of how good a film is, as it's
judge by politics, not by quality.
As for Strange Days, some of the holes in that plot are too big to
ignore, and completely ruined the film for me.
M.O.R
a few episodes of that show, the pilot seemed weak, and the other
episodes I did see were too boring for me to care.
M.O.R
to get a move on in terms of getting the movie into production, as
Marvel, I believe have Namor in development, and if the two collided,
it would seem that one was copying the other, unless Marvel botched up
the movie, or the director or writers did, and knowing Marvel's luck
with so called second stringers, that would more than likely be the
case, then the prospect of an Aquaman movie being made would seem
unlikely. And Btw, doesn't Cameron's film studio, Lightstorm
entertainment, still have the rights to a Fathom movie? If he was to
direct an Aquaman movie, it would impact on his ownership of the other
property for a movie, so when he decided to make the Fathom movie, the
idea could come across as stale.
Ken from Chicago
Right, people were paying more attention to topless Leo than topless Kate.
>> And character assassination? Five words: "Based on a true story".
>
> I don't know about you, but taking a _real_ person, William Murdoch, with
> family and descendents, whose herosim was noted at the time, and turning
> him
> into a murdering lunatic, for the sake of a plot point, ranks high on my
> scuzz-ometer..
>
> Check
> http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic's%20first%20officer%20william%20murdoch.shtml
> for details.
THE PATRIOT
U-571
A BEAUTIFUL MIND
If you're getting worked up because Hollywood is more than willing to bend
facts to make a more marketable story, you're not gonna like a lot of
docudramas.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
So WHO's standard for measuring a film's quality? If not Oscar awards, not
critics' reviews, not box office figures ...
WHO DECIDES?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
THE ABYSS / DEEP STAR SIX
ELIZABETH / SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE
BRAVE HEART / ROB ROY
Hollywood has a history of similar movies coming out the same year. The fact
that a movie of a similar type has been greenlighted actually UPs the odds
for a given move.
-- Ken from Chicago
Clell Harmon
Loosely based. The lookouts missed the berg because they were too busy
scoping out Leo and Kate making out?
Titanic is responsible for the single most stupid line of any movie
ever. When the ship started to go bow down, with the stern and screw
completely out of the water, Leo uttered the immortal "This is bad!"
True Story: I took my eldest son (then 16) to see it. While waiting
for the movie to start through the endless slideshow from hell they use
to delay the start of the movie these days I said to my kid "I'm gonna
ruin the movie for you, the ship sinks!" A small crown of teen girls
sitting in front of us became all upset and one of them said "Thanks a
whole lot, some of use haven't seen the movie yet!"
Wow.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
>
Brian Doyle
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>
> So WHO's standard for measuring a film's quality? If not Oscar awards, not
> critics' reviews, not box office figures ...
As with all art, each indidivual viewers opinion.
Brian Doyle
>
> Right, people were paying more attention to topless Leo than topless Kate.
Depends who you ask.
> THE PATRIOT
>
> U-571
>
> A BEAUTIFUL MIND
>
> If you're getting worked up because Hollywood is more than willing to bend
> facts to make a more marketable story, you're not gonna like a lot of
> docudramas.
Damned right I bloody well don't! Docudrama doesn't HAVE to be an oxymoron.
Ken from Chicago
"Clell Harmon" <clell_...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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There are surveys where some audience members wondered why the downer
ending.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Now they have animated ads between movies. Personally I don't
understand why they just don't show more trailers. Half the fun of going to
the theater is seeing the trailers on the big screen.
Ken from Chicago
BINGO! You win the kewpie doll!
-- Ken from Chicago
Lynley James
Unfortunately he seems hellbent on finally bringing Battle Angel Alita
to the big screen. Even though it isn't the best anime out there, I
still think he's going to make it worse.
Lynley
Lynley James
<clell_...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Loosely based. The lookouts missed the berg because they were too busy
>scoping out Leo and Kate making out?
>
> Titanic is responsible for the single most stupid line of any movie
>ever. When the ship started to go bow down, with the stern and screw
>completely out of the water, Leo uttered the immortal "This is bad!"
>
>
> True Story: I took my eldest son (then 16) to see it. While waiting
>for the movie to start through the endless slideshow from hell they use
>to delay the start of the movie these days I said to my kid "I'm gonna
>ruin the movie for you, the ship sinks!" A small crown of teen girls
>sitting in front of us became all upset and one of them said "Thanks a
>whole lot, some of use haven't seen the movie yet!"
>
> Wow.
>
>
This reminds me of the group of women who sat in fron of me at
Interview with a Vampire. They were quite upset at Tom Cruise's
unique dietery requirements.
Lynley
Lynley James
You forget the biggest one of all
Robin Hood/ Prince of Thieves
Lynley
Ken from Chicago
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And this year:
Steven Speilberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS / H.G. Wells' WAR OF THE WORLDS
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425638/
-- Ken from Chicago
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by TW, but a while back Viacom bought the other half and it's now soley
owned by Viacom. FWIW.
Josh Dull
>
> Steven Speilberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS / H.G. Wells' WAR OF THE WORLDS
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
As well as BEOWULF & GRENDEL/BEOWULF: PRINCE OF THE GEATS.
Josh
Brian Doyle
Yes, but hence the notion that a compiled vote of favourites is possibly the
best way to nmake a group assessment of a film. Titanic lost fair and square
in the poll MOR cited.
Invid Fan
<clell_...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> True Story: I took my eldest son (then 16) to see it. While waiting
> for the movie to start through the endless slideshow from hell they use
> to delay the start of the movie these days I said to my kid "I'm gonna
> ruin the movie for you, the ship sinks!" A small crown of teen girls
> sitting in front of us became all upset and one of them said "Thanks a
> whole lot, some of use haven't seen the movie yet!"
>
> Wow.
>
Well, think about it for a moment: at what point in your life did you
learn about the Titanic? I can see someone not interested in history or
watching documentaries not knowing for quite some time, or if they
heard about it just didn't have the facts register. I honestly don't
think the Titanic was ever mentioned in history class as it's really
not that important.
That said, I think the ads gave away the fact that the ship sinks :)
--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
Invid Fan
<lynley...@gmail.com> wrote:
The anime made major changes from the comic, so wasn't the best
adaptation to begin with. I'm assuming his movie is based more on the
comics, or at least I hope so.
Relic
> In article <kkaOe.55788$084.43582@attbi_s22>, Clell Harmon
> <clell_...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>> True Story: I took my eldest son (then 16) to see it. While waiting
>>for the movie to start through the endless slideshow from hell they use
>>to delay the start of the movie these days I said to my kid "I'm gonna
>>ruin the movie for you, the ship sinks!" A small crown of teen girls
>>sitting in front of us became all upset and one of them said "Thanks a
>>whole lot, some of use haven't seen the movie yet!"
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>
> Well, think about it for a moment: at what point in your life did you
> learn about the Titanic?
In my case, likely before I was 10 years old (which would have been
1972, my 10th year); the Titanic had long before entered in the
public vernacular (and A Night To Remember helped). And at the time,
I was pretty much interested in two things: the Moon launches and
dinosaurs (like Calvin, except for the fact that I wasn't a holy terror
at the time and possessed a stuffed, scaly alligator instead of
a stuffed tiger ^_^).
I can see someone not interested in history or
> watching documentaries not knowing for quite some time, or if they
> heard about it just didn't have the facts register. I honestly don't
> think the Titanic was ever mentioned in history class as it's really
> not that important.
>
> That said, I think the ads gave away the fact that the ship sinks :)
>
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Relic
the manga. The anime was okay, but certainly not complete.
And besides, Jessica Alba probably would think it was a reprise
if she played Alita/Gally ^_^)
Daibhid Ceannaideach
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:
> Invid Fan wrote:
>> In article <kkaOe.55788$084.43582@attbi_s22>, Clell Harmon
>> <clell_...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> True Story: I took my eldest son (then 16) to see it. While waiting
>>>for the movie to start through the endless slideshow from hell they use
>>>to delay the start of the movie these days I said to my kid "I'm gonna
>>>ruin the movie for you, the ship sinks!" A small crown of teen girls
>>>sitting in front of us became all upset and one of them said "Thanks a
>>>whole lot, some of use haven't seen the movie yet!"
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>
>> Well, think about it for a moment: at what point in your life did you
>> learn about the Titanic?
>
> In my case, likely before I was 10 years old (which would have been
> 1972, my 10th year); the Titanic had long before entered in the
> public vernacular (and A Night To Remember helped). And at the time,
> I was pretty much interested in two things: the Moon launches and
> dinosaurs (like Calvin, except for the fact that I wasn't a holy terror
> at the time and possessed a stuffed, scaly alligator instead of
> a stuffed tiger ^_^).
Yeah, I always think of what happened to the Titanic as one of those
things that you can't ever remember not knowing; it's like asking me when
I learnt the basics of the Superman story, or who first told me a swan can
break a man's arm with a blow of its wing.
I remember that I was seven or eight when I learnt Laurel and Hardy were
real people and not just a Hanna-Barbera cartoon, but the Titanic was
firmly ensconced in my mind long before that.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
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Do not read this sig, by order.
Ken from Chicago
And in terms of the larger poll of box office receipts?
-- Ken from Chicago
Clell Harmon
> In article <kkaOe.55788$084.43582@attbi_s22>, Clell Harmon
> <clell_...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>> True Story: I took my eldest son (then 16) to see it. While waiting
>>for the movie to start through the endless slideshow from hell they use
>>to delay the start of the movie these days I said to my kid "I'm gonna
>>ruin the movie for you, the ship sinks!" A small crown of teen girls
>>sitting in front of us became all upset and one of them said "Thanks a
>>whole lot, some of use haven't seen the movie yet!"
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>
> Well, think about it for a moment: at what point in your life did you
> learn about the Titanic? I can see someone not interested in history or
I was about 5 when I learned of the Titanic, in a comic book of all
places, a time displaced hero onboard the ship, looking to warn the
passengers. Don't remember the book, but it would have been circa 1963.
> watching documentaries not knowing for quite some time, or if they
> heard about it just didn't have the facts register. I honestly don't
> think the Titanic was ever mentioned in history class as it's really
> not that important.
Never had it mention in a history class, but it IS a common cultural
reference, brought up when ever something is defined as unsinkable,
indestructible, foolproof or any other ill thought out absolute.
The Time Tunnel episode where the heroes ended up on the titanic was a
far better story than that horrid movie.
Lynley James
wrote:
>In article <cakhg1t03cb8lk21a...@4ax.com>, Lynley James
><lynley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21 Aug 2005 10:46:01 -0700, "M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>>
>> >But how old are alot of those great movies, and tho he only produced
>> >Strange days, he co-wrote the script, and that was a very,very bad
>> >film. The most recent best one, T2, is over 15 yrs old, and een thos
>> >the Terminator films were good, remember Harlan Ellison sued him for
>> >stealing the majority of the film's idea, so much so that now the DVD
>> >gives H.E. a writing credit. In his most recent film, there were holes
>> >in the story you could put the boat through.
>> >
>> >But I'd have to say that I would definetly not like to see an Aquaman
>> >movie by Cameron, just would not interest me at all.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately he seems hellbent on finally bringing Battle Angel Alita
>> to the big screen. Even though it isn't the best anime out there, I
>> still think he's going to make it worse.
>>
>The anime made major changes from the comic, so wasn't the best
>adaptation to begin with. I'm assuming his movie is based more on the
>comics, or at least I hope so.
No clue, and I cannot remember the manga very well. He has mentioned
the central theme being a love story between Alita and a full human,
so I am expecting something like Titanic meets Terminator.
Lynley
Brian Doyle
>
> > Yes, but hence the notion that a compiled vote of favourites is possibly
> > the
> > best way to nmake a group assessment of a film. Titanic lost fair and
> > square
> > in the poll MOR cited.
>
> And in terms of the larger poll of box office receipts?
Only if the cinema's offered to refund your money in direct relationship
with how much you disliked the movie at the end. As it is, whether you sit
through a genuine classic or a complete over ready turkey with stuffing and
roast potatoes, the cinema already has your money, so the receipts have
bugger all to do with how well a movie is regarded.
J. Clarke
So why _does_ one movie make mor than another?
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Brian Doyle
"J. Clarke" <jclarke...@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
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That's not the question being discussed, but it would be down to marketing,
publicity, word of mouth etc.
Ken from Chicago
And all those who saw the movie REPEATEDLY?
-- Ken from Chicago
Brian Doyle
They don't mention repeat viewings when announcing the grosses. It'd be a
given that those who see it more than once like it (and so it would sway the
subjective scoring system mentioned a couple of posts up in a positive
direction), but still no assurance that those who saw it only the once DID
enjoy it.
M.O.R
was made a few years back, and besides being very bad (It was
re-edited, chopped and changed scenes, and dubbed in English) and
featuring a rap , before rap was invented, it also had a new ending,
where the titanic never sank.
M.O.R
And Box office figures are not a great way to judge a movie, I mean
there are some awful movies which did brilliantly in cinemas, and then
there are some great movies that died in the cinemas, for example Dark
City. Awards are a judge of a film, just not the oscars, at least not
anymore, even tho, other times they make really bad ones also, and it's
usually politics involved, and not the best actor or film.
There are some films which did brilliantly in America, eg Forrest Gump,
but outside of America, that film has a very small fan base, and is
seen as light fluff, not oscar material by most movie goers.
Critics opinions I listen to, but I try to read a number of opinions
before I make up my own mind, thos alot of critics have lost their
taste in films and actors, for example, alot of critics praised Keanu's
performance in his recent films, when looking at a glass pane can be
more entertaining.
M.O.R
it's succesful, like Aliens, where he was not involved in the original,
but other times, like Spider-Man (Even tho I did not like the original,
I would have hated it more if he had directed, plus the script he wrote
was comiccally awful
Clell Harmon
Are sad people.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
>
Ken from Chicago
"Daibhid Ceannaideach" <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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But that was TWENTY YEARS before TITANIC came out. The world of the 1997 is
a far cry from 1972. The simple fact is that we've been deluged in data and
increasingly so, even back in 1997. You had cable, dial-up internet, more
broadcast channels, more magazines, more cds, more and more and more and
more data coming out at you from the then-PRESENT, much less worry about
history, certainly not some boat in the early 20th century before the World
Wars (and many kids in 1997 could even name the major sides in either WW1 or
WW2?).
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
> The audience?
>
> And Box office figures are not a great way to judge a movie, I mean
Granted, however, I would think $600 million at the top of the all-time USA
top-grossing movies list would count for ... something. That's a ... wee ...
bit more than BEVERLY HILLS NINJA being the number one movie the weekend it
debuted.
> there are some awful movies which did brilliantly in cinemas, and then
> there are some great movies that died in the cinemas, for example Dark
> City. Awards are a judge of a film, just not the oscars, at least not
> anymore, even tho, other times they make really bad ones also, and it's
> usually politics involved, and not the best actor or film.
The term you seek is "popularity contest". Be it the audience or the
critics.
> There are some films which did brilliantly in America, eg Forrest Gump,
> but outside of America, that film has a very small fan base, and is
> seen as light fluff, not oscar material by most movie goers.
>
> Critics opinions I listen to, but I try to read a number of opinions
> before I make up my own mind, thos alot of critics have lost their
> taste in films and actors, for example, alot of critics praised Keanu's
> performance in his recent films, when looking at a glass pane can be
> more entertaining.
Okay, one, I like Keanu's performances in CONSTANTINE, THE MATRIX, DEVIL'S
ADVOCATE, SPEED, BILL & TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE, but far and away, he
steals the scenes he appears in during THE GIFT, with Cate Blanchett,
Hillary Swank, Katie Holmes, Greg Kinnear, and Gary Cole. Note that's far
from all the roles he's done, some I haven't seen or saw but didn't
like--altho I think he doesn't get enough credit for chosing a variety of
roles. IOW, I understand the antipathy towards Ben Affleck who seems to take
easier roles as opposed Keanu, certainly more than his long-time friend,
Matt Damon. But the anger at Keanu seems like the whole family reunion deal
where adults can't let go of the image of the child from decades ago to the
adult you are today and what you've done since.
Second, I agree, a single critic is bad, even if you know their biases and
blindspots. I too like to check out a variety of reviews, especially
summaries at Yahoo!Movies that show a summary of critics reviews and users
reviews. Ultimately tho it's opinions and even if every single six trillion
people on the planet like the gut-churning foul smelling swill that are
chitterlings, aka chit'lins, or pretzels or okra or beets, my opinion shan't
change. I got scared off by the negative reviews of STARGATE and ended up
liking the movie--on cable, and regret not seeing it on the big screen.
-- Ken from Chicago
J. Clarke
Comes as a shock to many kids that the US was in a war with Japan. Comes as
an even bigger shock that the Samurai Ninja uberwarriors weren't able to
invent any convenient giant robots or summon any helpful large insects or
firebreathing dinowhales and so got their butts kicked.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"J. Clarke" <jclarke...@snet.net.invalid> wrote in message
Of course not, the giant robots were too busy fighting Godzilla--that
America created by mutating island lizards with nuclear waste.
-- Ken from Chicago
M.O.R
Ken from Chicago wrote:
> "M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
> news:1124846797.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > The audience?
> >
> > And Box office figures are not a great way to judge a movie, I mean
>
> Granted, however, I would think $600 million at the top of the all-time USA
> top-grossing movies list would count for ... something. That's a ... wee ...
> bit more than BEVERLY HILLS NINJA being the number one movie the weekend it
> debuted.
Yeah, but you're thinking of just the USA, not other continents. I
mean Forrest Gump is up there too, but but that does not make it a good
film. Titanic making a lotta money in the USA and the rest of the
world does mean something, word of mouth cannot be trusted, and Teenage
girls will watch anything with a teenage hearthrob in it, no matter how
awful that film may be, and guys will pay anything to see impressive
effects, even if they turn out not to be so impressive.
Was Beverly Hills Ninja No. 1 when it debuted? As far as I know,
Beverly Hills Ninja never was advertised over here, but I may be wrong,
it could have gone straight to video on this side of the pond.
> > there are some awful movies which did brilliantly in cinemas, and then
> > there are some great movies that died in the cinemas, for example Dark
> > City. Awards are a judge of a film, just not the oscars, at least not
> > anymore, even tho, other times they make really bad ones also, and it's
> > usually politics involved, and not the best actor or film.
>
> The term you seek is "popularity contest". Be it the audience or the
> critics.
It seems to always be someone else, never the audience or critics, as
in the case of Martin Landau winning the oscar for Ed wood over Samuel
L. Jackson for pulp Fiction. That one seemed a certainty in terms of
SLJ, but everybody seemed shocked by it, and they did not even let
Landau finish his acceptance speech, yet another year, they let Halle
Berry blubb and talk for what seemed an eternity.
>
> > There are some films which did brilliantly in America, eg Forrest Gump,
> > but outside of America, that film has a very small fan base, and is
> > seen as light fluff, not oscar material by most movie goers.
> >
> > Critics opinions I listen to, but I try to read a number of opinions
> > before I make up my own mind, thos alot of critics have lost their
> > taste in films and actors, for example, alot of critics praised Keanu's
> > performance in his recent films, when looking at a glass pane can be
> > more entertaining.
>
> Okay, one, I like Keanu's performances in CONSTANTINE, THE MATRIX, DEVIL'S
> ADVOCATE, SPEED, BILL & TED'S EXCELLENT ADVENTURE, but far and away, he
> steals the scenes he appears in during THE GIFT, with Cate Blanchett,
> Hillary Swank, Katie Holmes, Greg Kinnear, and Gary Cole. Note that's far
> from all the roles he's done, some I haven't seen or saw but didn't
> like--altho I think he doesn't get enough credit for chosing a variety of
> roles. IOW, I understand the antipathy towards Ben Affleck who seems to take
> easier roles as opposed Keanu, certainly more than his long-time friend,
> Matt Damon. But the anger at Keanu seems like the whole family reunion deal
> where adults can't let go of the image of the child from decades ago to the
> adult you are today and what you've done since.
>
Sometimes he is entertaining, but when he tries to do an accent ala DA
or Dracula, then he is just embarrassing, and painful to watch. Plus
he is usually surrounded by great actors, but when he is not, ala
Johnny Nemonic, then it shows how weak an actor he is.