I suggest that Wonder Woman be the next celluloid hero; she's been
around almost as long as the Big Two, and has changed just as little. In
the 1970s she had a successful TV series, whose theme song is still
recognizable today. The recently released "Gods and Mortals" TPB would be a
great model for the script, IMO; a heroine who can kick just about any ass
on the planet comes to our world, not to destroy cities while fighting
excessively, but to save us from the War God while serving as an example of
intelligence over jingoism. William Marston's original vision on a modern
movie screen -- that's what I wanna see.
Opinions, anyone?
--
"Each of us is exactly as superior as the next, no more, no less. Is anyone
gonna eat that last napkin?" (Ratbert, from the "Dilbert" TV series)
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At a gladitorial stadium, one chained slave is brought out to face an army
of ancient Greek soldiers--only she is victorious, even deflecting a volley
of arrows with the shackles on her wrists. Her victory is interrupted by the
screech of twin jets.
While chasing a rogue pilot, over the Atlantic Ocean, Steve Rogers watches
it disappear into thin ear--until he enters an invisible field and runs into
a flying monster and parachutes to safety while the monster chases the his
damaged plane. Rogers is stuck in a tree until flies in and rescues
him--keeping him from touching foot on Themyscira, or else die like the
other pilot.
She flies him back to the USA where she "deals" with the flying monster--and
she becomes a media darling. After getting the celebrity "treatment"--from
coverage in news papers, news magazines, news channels, Larry King, David
Letterman, touring sights, such as Mount Rushmore, The Statue of Liberty,
the Greek-influenced Washington DC monuments, to an intriguing Smithsonian
display of a plane so stealthy that it's nicknamed "The Invisible Jet"--she
finds out the monster was female, and had left eggs in New York harbor,
leading to a final battle.
-- Screenwriter Ken from Chicago
Also there is the costume. The original Star-spangled look to the seventies
costume would to some producers be a sign of making the movie patriotic and
jingoistic, something which could turn away other non-US audience members.
Another problem with the costume is that it does not allow much protection.
What I mean is is that if an actress is called on to be involved in physical
work, there are problems of hidng protective padding and protect against
injury when say falling or such. It creates alot of problems for stunt
women also, and would more than likely require the use of CGI stunt actors,
due to the problems of hiding padding. IF you look at the Witchblade show
(never watched it, but if it was awful, forgive me for bringing up bad
memories for you all). Now, we all know how skimpy the costume is in the
books, heck the entirety of the costume would probably make up a belt. In
the show they had to change it to her uniform so as to allow for protective
padding to be hidden for stuntwork. The costume would probably have to be
reworked.
And going back to the TV show, the secret identity is no longer present in
the comic books, what I mean is that Diana went under the disguise of a
secretary named Diana Prince (thank you IMDB.com for this info) working on a
military base alongside Steve Trevor and also there is a mythology to the
background of the story currently, with the Amazons and Greek mythology that
I do not believe was featured in the TV show, well the Greek Mythology and
the gods weren't, the Amazons were (forgive me, I did not really watch it
or remember it).
All this said, If I was looking to cast someone to play Diana, I would
choose Rachel Weisz because she is drop dead stunning and has quite alot of
acting chops. The reason I think she would be great as Wonder Woman is that
Diana is noted in the comic books as being very beautiful, and the fact that
she hails from the gods is reason for this. For me she was one of the main
reasons to watch the Mummy and the Mummy Returns.
So, I am interested in what you other people think. Who would like to see
Rachel Weisz as Diana? Or any other suggestions for the role.
MOR
Exclude MI 1 and MI 2 from this, as both are not spoof, just poor films.
sorry about that got off on a tangent of poor movies.
MOR
centrix
> Also there is the costume. The original Star-spangled look to the
> seventies costume would to some producers be a sign of making the
> movie patriotic and jingoistic
Prove that patriotism is identical to jingoism.
Second, it sounds like you advocate dicking around with a costume
principle that dates to the origin of the character. Wonder Woman has the
star-spangled costume. They go together. Lemme guess, you advocate
eliminating red and blue from Superman's costume because those colors
appear in the US flag.
> And going back to the TV show, the secret identity is no longer
Why go back to the TV show?
I have eternally seconded this motion!
michael j pastor
I'd camp out in front of the theater for a month to make sure I got
the best seats in the house, but she's already put a knife through my
heart by saying she's not interested.
j.
I'm really JiminQueens. It's a hotmail account. Bitchslap a spammer
today.
He never said it was. He said patriotic *and* jingoistic.
You're looking for an argument that isn't there Maloney.
michael j pastor
Which actresses would you prefer?
> the job. Plus there is the danger of making it too camp or too dumb, as
> most people only remember it from the show and don't realise it was a
comic
> book. And most TV shows from the late 60's early 70's have been spoofed
> recently, some to good effect (Starsky and Hutch is getting praise) and
some
> (heck, alot!) really badly (the Avengers, Charlies Angels, and IMHO, both
> Mission Impossible movies and countless others). The spoof genre wouldn't
> really work for Wonder Woman as I'm doubtless others would agree.
Clearly you haven't seen THE TICK. WW is easily spoofable. Some of the
funnier episodes of XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS could have about DIANA: WONDER
WOMAN PRINCESS.
> Also there is the costume. The original Star-spangled look to the
seventies
> costume would to some producers be a sign of making the movie patriotic
and
> jingoistic, something which could turn away other non-US audience members.
Except despite anger at American politics, American pop culture is the
number one global export. France, Canada and other countries actually had to
make laws to limit amount for fear of the local culture being overwhelmed or
"Americanized".
> Another problem with the costume is that it does not allow much
protection.
> What I mean is is that if an actress is called on to be involved in
physical
> work, there are problems of hidng protective padding and protect against
> injury when say falling or such. It creates alot of problems for stunt
> women also, and would more than likely require the use of CGI stunt
actors,
> due to the problems of hiding padding. IF you look at the Witchblade show
> (never watched it, but if it was awful, forgive me for bringing up bad
> memories for you all). Now, we all know how skimpy the costume is in the
> books, heck the entirety of the costume would probably make up a belt. In
> the show they had to change it to her uniform so as to allow for
protective
> padding to be hidden for stuntwork. The costume would probably have to be
> reworked.
You mean like CHARLIE'S ANGELS? While I never saw either movie, from the
trailers, there were many a fights whilst wearing plenty a skimpy outfits.
There are tons of martial arts movies where the fighters basically wearing
loincloths or shorts. Movie makers can work around skimpy outfits to do
fight scenes.
Personally I'd change the costume to change the costume, cuz it looks kinda
silly, like superheroes wearing shorts outside of their pants (I'm looking
at you Supes, at least Bats got a cool update for the movie). Speaking of
pants, I think nayv blue pants with tiny sparkles, like the night sky, with
red strapless top, and gold trim lining the top of the top, a gold belt,
blue boots with gold trim and gold bracelets. A gold tiara would be
optional. I don't think she still wears it in the comic.
The color scheme could be explained in the movie that she was named after
Diana, the hnntress (yeah, in Greek myth, it would be Athena, but they
already had Amazon named "Athena" so pipe down), who favored hunting at
twilight, when animals were most tired, most sleepy, right at the golden
hour when the sky is between red of sunset and navy blue of night.
Or it could be her favorite colors, whatever.
> And going back to the TV show, the secret identity is no longer present in
> the comic books, what I mean is that Diana went under the disguise of a
> secretary named Diana Prince (thank you IMDB.com for this info) working on
a
> military base alongside Steve Trevor and also there is a mythology to the
> background of the story currently, with the Amazons and Greek mythology
that
> I do not believe was featured in the TV show, well the Greek Mythology and
> the gods weren't, the Amazons were (forgive me, I did not really watch it
> or remember it).
>
> All this said, If I was looking to cast someone to play Diana, I would
> choose Rachel Weisz because she is drop dead stunning and has quite alot
of
> acting chops. The reason I think she would be great as Wonder Woman is
that
> Diana is noted in the comic books as being very beautiful, and the fact
that
> she hails from the gods is reason for this. For me she was one of the
main
> reasons to watch the Mummy and the Mummy Returns.
>
> So, I am interested in what you other people think. Who would like to see
> Rachel Weisz as Diana? Or any other suggestions for the role.
>
> MOR
Nice choice. Plus a hint of a European accent would be nice considering WW
is from a Greek isle. I'd also add Jennifer Garner to the list. Her role in
ALIAS is practically a non-super-powered WW, secret identity, secret
missions, lots of fights. Plus she can swing the Greek accent in a
heartbeat. While DAREDEVIL's "Elektra" is greek in the comic, the movie
didn't require her to speak with an accent, on ALIAS Garner has done a lot
of accents, including Greek.
-- Ken from Chicago
The 1960s "Batman" show was more spoof than anything else, but the 1989
blockbuster still became a huge hit. I think that, with the right handling,
a WW movie could easily eclipse the TV show (not that there was anything
wrong with it, IMO).
> Another problem with the costume is that it does not allow much
protection.
> What I mean is is that if an actress is called on to be involved in
physical
> work, there are problems of hidng protective padding and protect against
> injury when say falling or such.
Not to mention the possibility of a "wardrobe malfunction," eh? 8)
> It creates alot of problems for stunt
> women also, and would more than likely require the use of CGI stunt
actors,
> due to the problems of hiding padding.
That, I'm not so sure about. There have been more Tarzan movies than
most folks would believe, and they involved a great deal of physical
activity and stunts from actors wearing little more than a loincloth. Even
in the WW TV show, there were a lot of acrobatic rolls and leaps, and I
doubt there was nearly as much CGI being used as there is in modern movies.
> And going back to the TV show, the secret identity is no longer present in
> the comic books, what I mean is that Diana went under the disguise of a
> secretary named Diana Prince (thank you IMDB.com for this info) working on
a
> military base alongside Steve Trevor
True, but I think that a secret identity would really help her to
understand mortals' society a lot better, and thus should be included in the
hypothetical movie. She could tell people she's from another country, which
would explain why she's not familiar with American behavior and customs, and
she wouldn't be mobbed by admirers 24 hours a day. The biggest problem that
I can see would be successfully disguising someone who's built like an
Amazon.
Batman and Superman need to "grow-up" and stop wearing their shorts outside
their pants. They are about the only superheroes left who still do so. And
at least in the movie, the sleek all-black look worked for Bats. Supes could
got for either red pants or ditching the red shorts for a red belt. They
changed a classic character as Robin's costume without the universe
shattering.
-- Ken from Chicago
Except that she doesn't wear a mask. It would be better, IMHO, for her to be
treated as a celebrity and long to see what it's like to be a "regular"
person, not just not a superhero, but not a royal--she is a princess. That
would be part of her angst, part of her conflict, part of her story.
-- Ken from Chicago
It goes without saying that Lynda Carter would be Hippolyta.
-- Ken from Chicago
I still say Rachel Weisz could pull it off, she did quite alot of physical
stuff in the Mummy Returns, only problem is that if Constantine flops, which
it looks set to do, would she be turned off making another comic books
movie, even tho Constantine looks like a butchered mess?
MOR
Terry Farrell, Sandra Bullock, Jennifer Garner.
-- Ken from Chicago
Just because those names have been mentioned recently doesnt mean they
are the only ones with interest. Far from it.
>
> > Plus there is the danger of making it too camp or too dumb, as
> > most people only remember it from the show and don't realise it was > > a comic book.
I can't see that being true. Superman is probably best known by the
general public from the movies but they know it was a comic book
first. Wonder Woman is right there with Superman and Batman and
Spider-Man not obscure like Blade.
> > Also there is the costume. The original Star-spangled look to the
> seventies costume would to some producers be a sign of making the movie patriotic and jingoistic, something which could turn away other non-US audience members.
>
> Except despite anger at American politics, American pop culture is the
> number one global export. France, Canada and other countries actually had to
> make laws to limit amount for fear of the local culture being overwhelmed or "Americanized".
>
There was a perfect explanation for US motif of the Amazon's
Ambassador. Include the Diana Trevor story as a prologue or an aside
in the film and there you go. As for the form of the costume...stick
with the gladiatorial versions that have sporadically appeared in the
comics. A gladiator skirt with star shaped studs has been said to be
the perfect compromise to the star-spangled skirt/shorts work by the
comic version. I agree.
>
> > So, I am interested in what you other people think. Who would like to see Rachel Weisz as Diana? Or any other suggestions for the role.
> >
>
> Nice choice. Plus a hint of a European accent would be nice considering WW
> is from a Greek isle. I'd also add Jennifer Garner to the list. Her role in
> ALIAS is practically a non-super-powered WW, secret identity, secret
> missions, lots of fights. Plus she can swing the Greek accent in a
> heartbeat. While DAREDEVIL's "Elektra" is greek in the comic, the movie
> didn't require her to speak with an accent, on ALIAS Garner has done a lot of accents, including Greek.
The decision to NOT have Elektra have any trace of a Greek accent will
never make sense to me. Her father had some form of accent and they
clearly spoke Greek to one another at home based on their exchanges.
It would have made sense and Garner is capable.
Director: JULIE TAYMOR (Frida, Titus) bring her on board and a bevy of
high profile actresses will follow to fill out the cast even if they
decide to go with an unknown as lead. The opportunity to mold the
film version of a female icon of this magnitude will be tempting to
her to not consider. Doesn't hurt that she has a costuming background
that would unravel the costume dillemma of bringing this to screen.
My picks for Diana if they go with someone known or semiknown :
JENNIFER CONNELLY (Hulk/Dark City) : some weight training to bulk her
up a bit or her slight frame might actually make her wear the costume
a bit better given the camera/weight visual factor. Casting her as
Betty Banner was a misstep and hopefully won't put her off comic
roles.
http://wcm.krone.at/hps/upload/hxmedia/2003/08/07/1_PStqsKANkQIpw.jpg
http://www.sneeties.hpg.ig.com.br/atores/jenn.jpg
CARLA GUGINO (Spy Kids/Karen Sisco): she's been called a latter day
Lynda Carter for a reason, has the action background and the acting
chops.
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DANIELA AMAVIA (Children of Dune): Over 6 feet tall and Greek with an
athletic background. Already proven she can wear a tiara well.
http://www.todaysplanet.com/pg/beta/inmag/pic/danielaamaviaweb_big.jpg
http://www.duneinfo.com/miniseries/children_cast/images/alia.jpg
I've never gotten the whole CATHERINE ZETA-JONES thing, but I'd be
willing to be proven wrong.
Terry Farrell also has the same prob, she's 41, and it's the sequel problem
again.
Jennifer Garner.....I just don't see her as the role. She's also too
synonimus with Alias, and what with Elektra coming to the big screen soon,
it would be hard to picture her as both.
If Ashley Judd was younger, and had made better films recently she might
have gotten the part. But the age thing and sequels is the main problem.
Feel free to disagree of course.
MOR
Yeah, but then people would claim it would be ripping off XENA: WARRIOR
PRINCESS.
> > > So, I am interested in what you other people think. Who would like to
see Rachel Weisz as Diana? Or any other suggestions for the role.
> > >
>
> >
> > Nice choice. Plus a hint of a European accent would be nice considering
WW
> > is from a Greek isle. I'd also add Jennifer Garner to the list. Her role
in
> > ALIAS is practically a non-super-powered WW, secret identity, secret
> > missions, lots of fights. Plus she can swing the Greek accent in a
> > heartbeat. While DAREDEVIL's "Elektra" is greek in the comic, the movie
> > didn't require her to speak with an accent, on ALIAS Garner has done a
lot of accents, including Greek.
>
> The decision to NOT have Elektra have any trace of a Greek accent will
> never make sense to me. Her father had some form of accent and they
> clearly spoke Greek to one another at home based on their exchanges.
> It would have made sense and Garner is capable.
Plus, Elektra was too light. In the comic she was darker, more serious. I
would have preferred a more sardonic Elektra, with very restrained smiles,
and glimpses of humor.
> Director: JULIE TAYMOR (Frida, Titus) bring her on board and a bevy of
> high profile actresses will follow to fill out the cast even if they
> decide to go with an unknown as lead. The opportunity to mold the
> film version of a female icon of this magnitude will be tempting to
> her to not consider. Doesn't hurt that she has a costuming background
> that would unravel the costume dillemma of bringing this to screen.
>
> My picks for Diana if they go with someone known or semiknown :
>
> JENNIFER CONNELLY (Hulk/Dark City) : some weight training to bulk her
> up a bit or her slight frame might actually make her wear the costume
> a bit better given the camera/weight visual factor. Casting her as
> Betty Banner was a misstep and hopefully won't put her off comic
> roles.
I liked her as Betty Ross.
http://wcm.krone.at/hps/upload/hxmedia/2003/08/07/1_PStqsKANkQIpw.jpg
> http://www.sneeties.hpg.ig.com.br/atores/jenn.jpg
>
> CARLA GUGINO (Spy Kids/Karen Sisco): she's been called a latter day
> Lynda Carter for a reason, has the action background and the acting
> chops.
>
http://www.uni-television.com/karensisco/asset/image/cast_crew/carla/carla_photo.jpg
Nice choice.
> DANIELA AMAVIA (Children of Dune): Over 6 feet tall and Greek with an
> athletic background. Already proven she can wear a tiara well.
> http://www.todaysplanet.com/pg/beta/inmag/pic/danielaamaviaweb_big.jpg
> http://www.duneinfo.com/miniseries/children_cast/images/alia.jpg
Ah, she played the mad queen, sister to the future "God-Emperor of Dune".
> I've never gotten the whole CATHERINE ZETA-JONES thing, but I'd be
> willing to be proven wrong.
THE MASK OF ZORRO.
-- Ken from Chicago
Julia Roberts would be a nice choice after ERIN BROKOVICH--except her salary
would drive costs thru the roof. Same with Cameron Diaz.
An interesting choice might be Amanda Tapping, from STARGATE SG1.
Another option might X-MEN's Famke Janssen.
-- Ken from Chicago
But at 37 this year, probably too old now.
Same with Cameron Diaz.
At 32, the youngest on your list.
> An interesting choice might be Amanda Tapping, from STARGATE SG1.
39 this year.
> Another option might X-MEN's Famke Janssen.
also 39 this year.
I think that we've all got to look at actresses more in the
Buffy/Smallville/Roswell arena to find someone the appropriate age.
Essentially, anybody you've ever heard of is going to be too old... ;)
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
>I think that we've all got to look at actresses more in the
>Buffy/Smallville/Roswell arena to find someone the appropriate age.
>Essentially, anybody you've ever heard of is going to be too old... ;)
Charisma Carpenter (my personal choice)
Lucy Lawless (around S1 of Xena would be perfect, probably a bit too
old now)
Eliza Dushku
Christian
--
"The Dark Phoenix may have been a threat to all life in the universe...
But she had great taste in costumes." (Rachel Summers Excalibur #65)
I'd suggest:
Catherine Bell (http://www.catherinebellonline.com/) Late of JAG, Bruce
Almighty, etc.
Lucy Lawless (Do I need to provide a link? Aw, C'mon! You know she'd be
perfect. She likely wouldn't do it, but she'd be perfect...)
If we *must* have a twentysomthing starlet, then I nominate Jennifer Love
Hewitt. A little too perky, but looks the part better than Sarah Michelle
Gellar and a more versatile actress than Charisma Carpenter.
And of course, Lynda Carter as Hypollita, yes, no question. She's still
stunning...
Dave
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Yes it would. The woman is incapable of projecting her voice as anything
more than a raspy whisper.
I thought it was just a choice for LOTR, until I saw her at the Oscars.
michael j pastor
> I'd suggest:
>
> Catherine Bell (http://www.catherinebellonline.com/) Late of JAG, Bruce
> Almighty, etc.
I've always liked this suggestion. (But "late" of Jag? Has she left?)
> Lucy Lawless (Do I need to provide a link? Aw, C'mon! You know she'd be
> perfect. She likely wouldn't do it, but she'd be perfect...)
She's too manly to be Wonder Woman. Amazonian, yes. Beautiful? Not really.
> If we *must* have a twentysomthing starlet, then I nominate Jennifer Love
> Hewitt. A little too perky, but looks the part better than Sarah Michelle
> Gellar and a more versatile actress than Charisma Carpenter.
Well, I'd pay to see her in the outfit...
> And of course, Lynda Carter as Hypollita, yes, no question. She's still
> stunning...
Nuff said.
Chris C.
Oh, come on...it's certainly inferred. The costume may be
objectionable because it's patriotic and jingoistic. Whereas as one
is seen as positive, and the other negative, in this context, they are
given equivalency.
And while a red, white and blue costume with a field of stars can
certainly be seen as patriotic, it's not shown at all on face value
how that is jingoistic, unless you are counting one as the same as the
other.
Which goes back to Maloney's original point - in what way does Wonder
Woman wearing "the flag" make the character in any way jingoistic,
since that's not the way she' really been portrayed for years and
years?
Chris C.
> >
> > > > Also there is the costume. The original Star-spangled look to the
> > > seventies costume would to some producers be a sign of making the movie
> patriotic and jingoistic, something which could turn away other non-US
> audience members.
> > >
> > > Except despite anger at American politics, American pop culture is the
> > > number one global export. France, Canada and other countries actually
> had to
> > > make laws to limit amount for fear of the local culture being
> overwhelmed or "Americanized".
> > >
> > There was a perfect explanation for US motif of the Amazon's
> > Ambassador. Include the Diana Trevor story as a prologue or an aside
> > in the film and there you go.
I don't see the problem here...but maybe the original poster can
expand on his worries.
> > > > So, I am interested in what you other people think. Who would like to
> see Rachel Weisz as Diana? Or any other suggestions for the role.
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > Nice choice. Plus a hint of a European accent would be nice considering
> WW
She's definately not bad.
> > > is from a Greek isle. I'd also add Jennifer Garner to the list. Her role
> in
> > > ALIAS is practically a non-super-powered WW, secret identity, secret
> > > missions, lots of fights. Plus she can swing the Greek accent in a
> > > heartbeat. While DAREDEVIL's "Elektra" is greek in the comic, the movie
> > > didn't require her to speak with an accent, on ALIAS Garner has done a
> lot of accents, including Greek.
> >
> > The decision to NOT have Elektra have any trace of a Greek accent will
> > never make sense to me. Her father had some form of accent and they
> > clearly spoke Greek to one another at home based on their exchanges.
> > It would have made sense and Garner is capable.
>
> Plus, Elektra was too light. In the comic she was darker, more serious. I
> would have preferred a more sardonic Elektra, with very restrained smiles,
> and glimpses of humor.
Okay...you don't think Garner was good as Elektra...so you want her
playing Wonder Woman??? Elektra was a disaster, the worst thing about
a not-so-good movie. And the girl can't act. Sorry Tight-fitting
costume Alias fans...
> > Director: JULIE TAYMOR (Frida, Titus) bring her on board and a bevy of
> > high profile actresses will follow to fill out the cast even if they
> > decide to go with an unknown as lead. The opportunity to mold the
> > film version of a female icon of this magnitude will be tempting to
> > her to not consider. Doesn't hurt that she has a costuming background
> > that would unravel the costume dillemma of bringing this to screen.
A good choice for director.
> > My picks for Diana if they go with someone known or semiknown :
> >
> > JENNIFER CONNELLY (Hulk/Dark City) : some weight training to bulk her
> > up a bit or her slight frame might actually make her wear the costume
> > a bit better given the camera/weight visual factor. Casting her as
> > Betty Banner was a misstep and hopefully won't put her off comic
> > roles.
>
> I liked her as Betty Ross.
And really, if you can get her back to pre-annirexic weight (see
ROCKETEER), she'd fill out the costume nicely.
> http://wcm.krone.at/hps/upload/hxmedia/2003/08/07/1_PStqsKANkQIpw.jpg
> > http://www.sneeties.hpg.ig.com.br/atores/jenn.jpg
> >
> > CARLA GUGINO (Spy Kids/Karen Sisco): she's been called a latter day
> > Lynda Carter for a reason, has the action background and the acting
> > chops.
Hmmm...maybe. Potential.
http://www.uni-television.com/karensisco/asset/image/cast_crew/carla/carla_photo.jpg
>
> Nice choice.
>
> > DANIELA AMAVIA (Children of Dune): Over 6 feet tall and Greek with an
> > athletic background. Already proven she can wear a tiara well.
> > http://www.todaysplanet.com/pg/beta/inmag/pic/danielaamaviaweb_big.jpg
> > http://www.duneinfo.com/miniseries/children_cast/images/alia.jpg
>
> Ah, she played the mad queen, sister to the future "God-Emperor of Dune".
Haven't seen her in anything...but your links certainly look like
she's a real good choice.
> > I've never gotten the whole CATHERINE ZETA-JONES thing, but I'd be
> > willing to be proven wrong.
>
> THE MASK OF ZORRO.
mmmmmmmm...Mask of Zorro....
Chris C.
Who remembers her being the best thing about the Phantom...
There is no such thing as certainty in regards to inferring things. That's
why it's called inferred. You're forgetting that the speaker has unique
filters with which they disseminate language, and so does the listener.
The costume may be
> objectionable because it's patriotic and jingoistic. Whereas as one
> is seen as positive, and the other negative, in this context, they are
> given equivalency.
Again, you don't know that.
>
> And while a red, white and blue costume with a field of stars can
> certainly be seen as patriotic, it's not shown at all on face value
> how that is jingoistic, unless you are counting one as the same as the
> other.
Which is patently a false equation as complete equals, context
notwithstanding.
michael j pastor
> While chasing a rogue pilot, over the Atlantic Ocean, Steve Rogers watches
> it disappear into thin ear--until he enters an invisible field and runs into
> a flying monster and parachutes to safety while the monster chases the his
> damaged plane. Rogers is stuck in a tree until flies in and rescues
> him--keeping him from touching foot on Themyscira, or else die like the
> other pilot.
Steve Rogers is Capt. America. You're thinking of Steve Trevor.
J. C. Gilbert
CURSES! Foiled again! I would have gotten away with it if twerent for you
kids!
-- Old Man Ken from Chicago
MOR
Shall we officially e-petition Lynda Carter as Hippolyta in whatever Wonder
Woman movie finally comes out?
Nobody else could do it quite so well.
michael j pastor
Brought down due to a lack of Scooby snacks.
-- Ken from Chicago
By the way, WHICH costume?
-- Ken from Chicago
Then maybe you should be quiet and let the "speaker" speak for
themselves, rather than answer for them. Because obviously you're
"inferring" the opposite, if there's "nothing" there. As the
listener, you can't really say that, can you?
> The costume may be
> > objectionable because it's patriotic and jingoistic. Whereas as one
> > is seen as positive, and the other negative, in this context, they are
> > given equivalency.
>
> Again, you don't know that.
Sure I do. Because as you pointed out, he used AND, which links them,
rather than OR, or AND/OR, which states it could be either.
> > And while a red, white and blue costume with a field of stars can
> > certainly be seen as patriotic, it's not shown at all on face value
> > how that is jingoistic, unless you are counting one as the same as the
> > other.
>
> Which is patently a false equation as complete equals, context
> notwithstanding.
In other words, you have no evidence or argument to the contrary, so
you want to play word games.
Chris C.
Well, if you find one or get it going, you can count me in on signing.
I'm not normally embracing my geekdom, but this is just too right.
Chris C.
That and casting Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher as a young Jor-El and Kara on
SMALLVILLE.
-- Ken from Chicago
MOR
Jor-El on SMALLVILLE told Kal-El to RULE the humans. DC might like the role.
-- Ken from Chicago
>Jor-El on SMALLVILLE told Kal-El to RULE the humans. DC might like the role.
That wasn't Jor-El. It was General Zod *pretending* to be Jor-El (possibly, and
bearing in mind we don't have season 3 over here yet). And he *has* to stay
being played by Terrence Stamp. If they can get a "Kneel before..." in there
somewhere, that'd be perfect.
--
Dave
The Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Four-and-twenty Lib Dems came down from Inverness,
And when the vote was counted there were four-and-twenty less.
-Rory Bremner, 7/3/04
Claudia Black.
--
Jon
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Cats are the embodiment of angels here on Earth.
Love her as much as I do... I cant see her being considered a
conventional enough beauty for Diana.
I'd put her in there as one of the godesses or amazons thought (along
with a bevy of Hollywood A-listers who would cameo...most notably
Susan Sarandon as Hera)
You know, normally I'd agree. But there is one small issue - while
Hippolyta should appear a little older so as to be able to convey
motherlyness to Diana, technically she's immortal. She shouldn't ever
get as old as Lynda Carter would convey.
Assuming they do get this thing done sometime soon, someone like Lucy
Lawless might make a more appropriate Hippolyta - a little older, but
not too old.
OR - they could just do away with the whole immortality thing and let
Lynda do it.
OR - they could let Lynda play a Joanna Sandsmark-type character.
>OR - they could let Lynda play a Joanna Sandsmark-type character.
You mean Helena - Joanna, IIRC, is the real person whose name was
taken for the Sandsmarks.
I disagree: the Amazons didn't stop aging until they went to Paradise
Island. While a part of the Patriarch's world, they aged like everybody
else. No reason to assume that Hippolyta didn't spend some years as Queen
before the incident with Hercules. Secondly, she may have been reincarnated
(if they use that Perez origin) as an older woman. Thirdly, I don't care
how old Lynda Carter is right now, she still looks the same as she did in
the 70s! Looks like she got a tad bit of the immortality of the Amazons in
her already, real or artificial!
michael j pastor
Along with Sally Field, Tina Turner, Sophia Loren, and of course, Dick
Clark.
-- Ken from Chicago
It seems as if there's a problem there reconciling the idea that
Amazons are ageless on Paradise Island/Themiscyra with the fact
that Carter isn't. (Sure, she looks better in her 50s than I do in
my 30s, but still.) I suppose you could handwave it with the idea
that having a child removed her immortality or something (as the
Earth-2 Wonder Woman's marriage did hers).
Mike
--
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS
msch...@condor.depaul.edu
Um, it's not like she's going to be aging much over the course of shooting a
3 hour movie.
michael j pastor
> Michael S. Schiffer wrote:
>...
>> It seems as if there's a problem there reconciling the idea
>> that Amazons are ageless on Paradise Island/Themiscyra with the
>> fact that Carter isn't. (Sure, she looks better in her 50s
>> than I do in my 30s, but still.) I suppose you could handwave
>> it with the idea that having a child removed her immortality or
>> something (as the Earth-2 Wonder Woman's marriage did hers).
> Um, it's not like she's going to be aging much over the course
> of shooting a 3 hour movie.
My concern is that she already looks older than someone whose aging
stoped in early adulthood would. It is conceivable that Hippolyta
came to the island already in her 50s, though that would, I think,
involve a somewhat different backstory from either the Marston or
Perez versions.
Of course, I had the same concerns with the Elves in the Lord of
the Rings movies, and no one seems to have blinked over casting,
e.g., Hugo Weaving as Elrond, so it may just be me.
Not by much - they *did* exist in man's world for quite a while before they
left for paradise island.
Personally, I think Hippolyta in the comic books looks *older* than Lynda
Carter. I can barely see a difference between her in the 70s and now.
> Of course, I had the same concerns with the Elves in the Lord of
> the Rings movies, and no one seems to have blinked over casting,
> e.g., Hugo Weaving as Elrond, so it may just be me.
Yes, you're agist! ;-)
michael j pastor
The 2003 pictures on the IMDB depict someone who's well-preserved,
but I don't think she'd be confused for her younger self (or
someone magically immune to the effects of age).
>> Of course, I had the same concerns with the Elves in the Lord
>> of the Rings movies, and no one seems to have blinked over
>> casting, e.g., Hugo Weaving as Elrond, so it may just be me.
> Yes, you're agist! ;-)
But only when dealing with the eternally young. :-) As a general
rule, I think the tendency for actresses to disappear when they
pass 29 (or cease to be skeletally thin) is more a matter of
Hollywood projecting its prejudices onto the audience than of
anything the audience itself demands. But if the part calls for
immunity to the effects of age, then the actor or actress in
question shouldn't have any visible signs of age that can't be
hidden by makeup and effects. I don't think Lynda Carter-- or Hugo
Weaving, for that matter-- fits that. (Of course, it's a problem
that's hard to get around with human actors in the long run. Angel
may have theoretically stopped aging well over a century ago, but
David Boreanaz *can't* be made to look exactly as he did when he
first appeared on "Buffy" almost a decade ago.)
There is the countervailing problem that most twenty-something
actors can't plausibly do the maturity and experience of someone
centuries old, so some compromises are necessary in any case. And
there are ways of dealing with it by tweaking the backstory to
allow Hippolyta to have aged more than her comics counterparts. I
don't think it's an insurmountable problem, but it is an issue that
would have to be dealt with. Making LC a supporting character in
Man's World, like Julia Kapatelis, would be another way of dealing
with it (and one that might get her more screen time in potential
sequels).
I think you're confusing immortality with eternal youth, and what is defined
by 'young' in the eternal youth. To a 70 yr old, 50 is damn young. Ask
people of various ages what age they would like to be frozen at, and you'll
get different answers, and I bet you'll see a correlation of older folks
stating older ages.
There is no reason not to assume the Queen Hippolyta was 50 when she left
for Paradise Island to be stuck at that age. Secondly, Lynda looks younger
than 50.
michael j pastor
> Michael S. Schiffer wrote:
>> "Michael Pastor" <michael...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:c3tdij$2aumi9$2...@ID-174457.news.uni-berlin.de:
>...
>>> Yes, you're agist! ;-)
>> But only when dealing with the eternally young. :-)
>...
>> There is the countervailing problem that most twenty-something
>> actors can't plausibly do the maturity and experience of
>> someone centuries old, so some compromises are necessary in any
>> case. And there are ways of dealing with it by tweaking the
>> backstory to allow Hippolyta to have aged more than her comics
>> counterparts. I don't think it's an insurmountable problem,
>> but it is an issue that would have to be dealt with. Making LC
>> a supporting character in Man's World, like Julia Kapatelis,
>> would be another way of dealing with it (and one that might get
>> her more screen time in potential sequels).
> I think you're confusing immortality with eternal youth,
Not at all. I have no problem with the Greek gods, for example,
looking ages appropriate to their status and traditional depiction.
But Tolkien Elves and DC Amazons are usually portrayed as eternally
young, not merely immortal. (Technically, Tolkien Elves do age,
but incredibly slowly-- their lifespans are that of the physical
world itself. Elrond is a relative youngster, being "only" five or
six thousand years old. There's only one Elf to show visible signs
of aging, and he's older than Galadriel-- who herself is on the
order of 10,000 years old.)
and
> what is defined by 'young' in the eternal youth. To a 70 yr
> old, 50 is damn young. Ask people of various ages what age they
> would like to be frozen at, and you'll get different answers,
> and I bet you'll see a correlation of older folks stating older
> ages.
I'm guessing that if you're not requiring them to freeze their
mindsets and experience accordingly, most will choose an age
younger than 50. But in any case, I don't get the impression that
the Amazons had a choice. They went to a Paradise of eternal
youth, not (as I understand it) a land in which they could stop
aging at whatever point struck them as best.
> There is no reason not to assume the Queen Hippolyta was 50 when
> she left for Paradise Island to be stuck at that age. Secondly,
> Lynda looks younger than 50.
I don't really agree with the latter. (She's a young-looking
fifty, but I don't think anyone would mistake her for being in her
thirties, let alone twenties.) As for the former, Hippolyta in the
Marston version was an active warrior queen who could contend
meaningfully with Hercules. Absent divine ancestry (which, of
course, she may have had for all I know) that points to her being
at a physical peak as far as athleticism goes (especially if the
Amazons didn't start out with the medical technology they had in
the 20th century), and athletes and combatants don't generally
remain first class in those areas at 50. Perez's Hippolyta was
killed when pregnant with (IIRC) her first child, in a cultural
context that points to that happening in her teens or twenties at
the latest.
Hippolyta has, in any case, generally (AFAIK) not been drawn with
any of the various signs of aging that are used to point to anyone
who looks north of forty (usually gray in the hair, streaks for the
women and Reed Richards temples for the men, or occasionally some
lines in the face). If there's any intent that she's supposed to
have stopped aging much after thirty (or even, given the usual
Amazon body type, twenty-five) I'm not sure I've seen it.
That doesn't preclude making changes for a movie. It might well be
the right choice artistically, and it would be a nice nod to the
past regardless. But I think that it would be a change.
--
"They might be giants."
(They Might Be Giants, "They Might Be Giants")
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I'm betting more like 5 years depending on how Batman:Begins fares.
All it takes is the right Producer to take up the cause...I actually
think Drew Barrymore would be a good fit as an Executive
Producer...the property plays to her strengths...pro-woman message,
anti gun etc.
--
"They might be giants."
(They Might Be Giants, "They Might Be Giants")
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There was a made for TV movie of 'JLA'. But because the main players are
all optioned for seperate films, the TV movie was populated by second-string
characters. That would be the problem with any new film - Superman, Batman,
and Wonder Woman would be unavailable.
IIRC, the TV Movie was actually based on the Giffen/DeMattis JLI team
which beyond it's initial issues with Batman, never had any of the
"Big 3" in the comic anyway
Christian
--
"The Dark Phoenix may have been a threat to all life in the universe...
But she had great taste in costumes." (Rachel Summers Excalibur #65)
Yeah, true - but without the major league players, who out there in movie
goer land is going to care? The difference between JLA and X-Men is that
the X-Men members only really work as part of the team. All the JLA members
come in from stand-alone series and titles. So to make a successful movie,
you need to be able to put together a JLA, the members of which the general
movie goer is familiar with. The best potential membership roster is not
available for a JLA film.
They could always make a movie based on the current JUSTIC LEAGUE
TV series.
josh
They're doing a rather good job with the animated JUSTICE LEAGUE Tv
series.
Why not spin that off into a movie? You already have cast, crew, built in
audience,
characters known to the public. It would also be cheaper then going the
live-action route.
Josh
> They're doing a rather good job with the animated JUSTICE LEAGUE Tv
> series. Why not spin that off into a movie? You already have cast, crew,
> built in audience, characters known to the public. It would also be
> cheaper then going the live-action route.
It would also about as much attention as the theatrical animated Batman
feature. Or was it features? I can't even remember; most of the general
public aren't even aware there were animated Batman theatrical releases.
Dave Doty
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But that was due to crappy marketing by Warner Bros. Realistically, I know
any
animated movie gets less hype then a live-action movie. If the animated
film is
action orientied it goes down even moreso. Still, a part of me is
optimistic that
attitudes towards animation will change for the better in Hollywood and
this country
and my dream of a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie will come to fruitition.
But I'm not going to hold my breath. : )
Josh