Re: Cross-overs on Multiple Earths
grinningdemon
wrote:
>Now that the Multiverse has been returned, I hope that DC doesn't just plain
>out ignor the other Universes. I would love to contiue the JLA/JSA annual
>x-overs between Earth-1 and Earth-2, those were classics. Maybe they could
>meet the new Earth's rosters of those teams.
There has been talk from James Robinson about restoring the annual
JLA/JSA crossovers but I think it's limited to the new earth versions.
>The Earth-1 Batman could meet the New-Earth Batman, and have a discussion of
>how different their lives were, like the E-1 Bruce Wayne was raised by his
>Uncle (Philip Wayne), while the N-E Bruce was raised by Alfred Pennyworth.
>
>Green Lanterns of Earth-1 (Hal Jordan), Earth-2 (Alan Scott), Earth-8 (Kyle
>Rayner) could meet there respective counterparts from New-Earth wondering
>how they all originate on the same dimension!
>
>There are various possibilities!
There is supposed to be some big multiverse-related project coming up
from Grant Morrison...possibly even related to what has happened to
Bruce Wayne.
Personally, I love Elseworlds and what not but I never cared much for
multiverse crossovers like they used to do all the time...once in a
while is one thing (as they have done recently in JSA), but I wouldn't
want to see it become a regular occurence as it was pre-crisis...and I
really wouldn't find it interesting to see counterparts that are
essentially the same meet...it's the ones with significant differences
that are interesting together (such as the two Supermans in Infinite
Crisis).
black...@aol.com
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:44:27 GMT, "Wildcat" <Wild...@lions-den.org>
Isn't the pre-crisis Earth-1 the one earth that didn't actually return?
Daibhid Ceanaideach
As far as I'm aware, we don't know. There *is* an Earth-One in the new
multiverse, and it's not the main DCU, which is New Earth, but I don't
think we've been told what it *is* as yet.
--
Dave
"All those with psychokinesis, raise my hand."
The Room With No Doors, Kate Orman
Billy Bissette
news:Xns9CC4A3DEC45Bda...@130.133.1.4:
They've probably forgotten about it. Wasn't there a lot of confusion
over the issue?
grinningdemon
Yes...as I recall, there were actually conflicting stories saying that
new earth was Earth 1 of the new multiverse.
Duggy
> There are various possibilities!
Rather than crossovers I'd rather see comics set in those universes.
Duggy
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:30:05 -0600, Billy Bissette
> >over the issue?
> Yes...as I recall, there were actually conflicting stories saying that
> new earth was Earth 1 of the new multiverse.
Yeah, in Tangent: Superman's Reign, IIRC, they called New Earth
"Earth-1". The artist or inker on the DC Boards claimed that, yes,
he'd spoke to the editor (or writer) and they'd got the info from the
chart of Dan's wall.
Dan later confirmed that New Earth isn't "Earth-1".
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= DUG.
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Duggy
> On 16-Nov-2009, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> > > There are various possibilities!
> > Rather than crossovers I'd rather see comics set in those universes.
> each universe compare and contrast from each other. Take The Earth-Two Atom
> teaming with the New-Earth Atom and then he heres about how the New-Earth Al
> Pratt is dead (or now a Black Lantern)!
I think crossovers would be good for 2 things.
- Promoting a "new" universe before it gets its own title... I'm
against this, but I understand that this is business and these things
have to be done.
- Comparing existing characters, as you've noted above. I'm not
hanging out for that sort of thing, but I can see the appeal.
However, it works better when you're comparing two existing
characters, on most of the Earths we have versions of existing
characters but they aren't, IMHO, "solid" enough yet for the
comparison to be interesting... so I still thing an ongoing would be
needed first.
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= DUG.
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black...@aol.com
> On 16-Nov-2009, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>
> > > There are various possibilities!
>
> > Rather than crossovers I'd rather see comics set in those universes.
>
> each universe compare and contrast from each other. Take The Earth-Two Atom
> teaming with the New-Earth Atom and then he heres about how the New-Earth Al
> Pratt is dead (or now a Black Lantern)!
Yea that's a great idea. They should have a new ongoing title with
just this type of stuff
Joe Sewell
> Now that the Multiverse has been returned, I hope that DC doesn't just plain
> out ignor the other Universes. I would love to contiue the JLA/JSA annual
> x-overs between Earth-1 and Earth-2, those were classics. Maybe they could
> meet the new Earth's rosters of those teams.
>
> how different their lives were, like the E-1 Bruce Wayne was raised by his
> Uncle (Philip Wayne), while the N-E Bruce was raised by Alfred Pennyworth.
>
> Green Lanterns of Earth-1 (Hal Jordan), Earth-2 (Alan Scott), Earth-8 (Kyle
> Rayner) could meet there respective counterparts from New-Earth wondering
> how they all originate on the same dimension!
>
> There are various possibilities!
>
Earth-2's Alan Scott has been established as deceased when New Earth's
Alan Scott came by to rescue "our" Power Girl.
Joe Sewell
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:44:27 GMT, "Wildcat" <Wil...@lions-den.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Now that the Multiverse has been returned, I hope that DC doesn't just plain
>> out ignor the other Universes. I would love to contiue the JLA/JSA annual
>> x-overs between Earth-1 and Earth-2, those were classics. Maybe they could
>> meet the new Earth's rosters of those teams.
>>
>
> There has been talk from James Robinson about restoring the annual
> JLA/JSA crossovers but I think it's limited to the new earth versions.
>
>
>> The Earth-1 Batman could meet the New-Earth Batman, and have a discussion of
>> how different their lives were, like the E-1 Bruce Wayne was raised by his
>> Uncle (Philip Wayne), while the N-E Bruce was raised by Alfred Pennyworth.
>>
>> Green Lanterns of Earth-1 (Hal Jordan), Earth-2 (Alan Scott), Earth-8 (Kyle
>> Rayner) could meet there respective counterparts from New-Earth wondering
>> how they all originate on the same dimension!
>>
>> There are various possibilities!
>>
>
> There is supposed to be some big multiverse-related project coming up
> from Grant Morrison...possibly even related to what has happened to
> Bruce Wayne.
>
So much for a good idea. Putting Morrison on it would be worse than
Haney's old attempts at teaming up Wildcat and Batman.
> Personally, I love Elseworlds and what not but I never cared much for
> multiverse crossovers like they used to do all the time...once in a
> while is one thing (as they have done recently in JSA), but I wouldn't
> want to see it become a regular occurence as it was pre-crisis...and I
> really wouldn't find it interesting to see counterparts that are
> essentially the same meet...it's the ones with significant differences
> that are interesting together (such as the two Supermans in Infinite
> Crisis).
>
I, on the other hand, loved the meetings of the two Supermen, just as an
example. IF done right, the comparison/contrast could be quite
interesting. (Note that I'm not assuming DC could pull it off nowadays.)
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On 11/14/09 2:19 AM, grinningdemon wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:44:27 GMT, "Wildcat" <Wil...@lions-den.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Now that the Multiverse has been returned, I hope that DC doesn't just plain
>>> out ignor the other Universes. I would love to contiue the JLA/JSA annual
>>> x-overs between Earth-1 and Earth-2, those were classics. Maybe they could
>>> meet the new Earth's rosters of those teams.
>>>
>>
>> There has been talk from James Robinson about restoring the annual
>> JLA/JSA crossovers but I think it's limited to the new earth versions.
>>
>>
>I could handle that.
Rather than making it a part of the regular books, I'd prefer to see
it as an annual special or even graphic novel...similar to the JLA/JSA
graphic novel Geoff Johns and Carlos Pacheco did several years back.
>>> The Earth-1 Batman could meet the New-Earth Batman, and have a discussion of
>>> how different their lives were, like the E-1 Bruce Wayne was raised by his
>>> Uncle (Philip Wayne), while the N-E Bruce was raised by Alfred Pennyworth.
>>>
>>> Green Lanterns of Earth-1 (Hal Jordan), Earth-2 (Alan Scott), Earth-8 (Kyle
>>> Rayner) could meet there respective counterparts from New-Earth wondering
>>> how they all originate on the same dimension!
>>>
>>> There are various possibilities!
>>>
>>
>> There is supposed to be some big multiverse-related project coming up
>> from Grant Morrison...possibly even related to what has happened to
>> Bruce Wayne.
>>
>So much for a good idea. Putting Morrison on it would be worse than
>Haney's old attempts at teaming up Wildcat and Batman.
I'm not much of a Morrison fan but this actually seems like a good fit
for him...he's shit with characterization but easily one of the most
imaginative writers in comics...stick him on alternate versions of the
characters at let him go to town (like All Star Superman)...especially
if it gets him to stop pissing all over Batman.
>> Personally, I love Elseworlds and what not but I never cared much for
>> multiverse crossovers like they used to do all the time...once in a
>> while is one thing (as they have done recently in JSA), but I wouldn't
>> want to see it become a regular occurence as it was pre-crisis...and I
>> really wouldn't find it interesting to see counterparts that are
>> essentially the same meet...it's the ones with significant differences
>> that are interesting together (such as the two Supermans in Infinite
>> Crisis).
>>
>I, on the other hand, loved the meetings of the two Supermen, just as an
>example. IF done right, the comparison/contrast could be quite
>interesting. (Note that I'm not assuming DC could pull it off nowadays.)
I think you misunderstood me...I actually did like seeing the Supermen
meet in Infinite Crisis...those two versions are significantly
different and seeing them together can be quite interesting...but only
once in a great while...if it's as common as it was pre-crisis, it
stops being interesting.
Joe Sewell
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:51:28 -0500, Joe Sewell <ultr...@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>> On 11/14/09 2:19 AM, grinningdemon wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:44:27 GMT, "Wildcat" <Wil...@lions-den.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now that the Multiverse has been returned, I hope that DC doesn't just plain
>>>> out ignor the other Universes. I would love to contiue the JLA/JSA annual
>>>> x-overs between Earth-1 and Earth-2, those were classics. Maybe they could
>>>> meet the new Earth's rosters of those teams.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There has been talk from James Robinson about restoring the annual
>>> JLA/JSA crossovers but I think it's limited to the new earth versions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I could handle that.
>>
>
> Rather than making it a part of the regular books, I'd prefer to see
> it as an annual special or even graphic novel...similar to the JLA/JSA
> graphic novel Geoff Johns and Carlos Pacheco did several years back.
>
>
I'd prefer that over NE-only "crossovers," especially with the JSA (and JLA) getting puked upon now & to come.
>>>> The Earth-1 Batman could meet the New-Earth Batman, and have a discussion of
>>>> how different their lives were, like the E-1 Bruce Wayne was raised by his
>>>> Uncle (Philip Wayne), while the N-E Bruce was raised by Alfred Pennyworth.
>>>>
>>>> Green Lanterns of Earth-1 (Hal Jordan), Earth-2 (Alan Scott), Earth-8 (Kyle
>>>> Rayner) could meet there respective counterparts from New-Earth wondering
>>>> how they all originate on the same dimension!
>>>>
>>>> There are various possibilities!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There is supposed to be some big multiverse-related project coming up
>>> from Grant Morrison...possibly even related to what has happened to
>>> Bruce Wayne.
>>>
>>>
>> So much for a good idea. Putting Morrison on it would be worse than
>> Haney's old attempts at teaming up Wildcat and Batman.
>>
>
> I'm not much of a Morrison fan but this actually seems like a good fit
> for him...he's shit with characterization but easily one of the most
> imaginative writers in comics...stick him on alternate versions of the
> characters at let him go to town (like All Star Superman)...especially
> if it gets him to stop pissing all over Batman.
>
>
Maybe. I'll admit, he did good with All-Star Superman, and even he wouldn't have come up with the mess that was All-Star Batman. OTOH I think Ordway could pull it off quite well, too.
>>> Personally, I love Elseworlds and what not but I never cared much for
>>> multiverse crossovers like they used to do all the time...once in a
>>> while is one thing (as they have done recently in JSA), but I wouldn't
>>> want to see it become a regular occurence as it was pre-crisis...and I
>>> really wouldn't find it interesting to see counterparts that are
>>> essentially the same meet...it's the ones with significant differences
>>> that are interesting together (such as the two Supermans in Infinite
>>> Crisis).
>>>
>>>
>> I, on the other hand, loved the meetings of the two Supermen, just as an
>> example. IF done right, the comparison/contrast could be quite
>> interesting. (Note that I'm not assuming DC could pull it off nowadays.)
>>
>
> I think you misunderstood me...I actually did like seeing the Supermen
> meet in Infinite Crisis...those two versions are significantly
> different and seeing them together can be quite interesting...but only
> once in a great while...if it's as common as it was pre-crisis, it
> stops being interesting.
>
Yeah, I think we both read past each other. I was thinking about their
very first meeting in JLA (with the otherwise abominable Aquarius as the
uber-villain) many years ago, plus their shared story in Action (if
memory serves) where they fought this interdimensional being while Jimmy
Olsen of Earth-Two was dying (well, OK, the story wasn't great, but the
characterization & interaction between the two Supermen was OK). My
favorite classic Superman meet-up, though, was in DC Comics Presents,
where the Earth-Three Alexander Luthor (Sr.) was introduced. THAT was a
good comparison/contrast story, IMHO.
I must agree that the Superman subplot in Infinite Crisis was also well
done. It showed the differences between the two characters today, as
well as punctuated, for us "old-timers," just how different New Earth
Superman is from his Earth-One "counterpart," so to speak. (Which
reminds me, there would be no Earth-1 (of 52) Superman anymore; he's
depowered Jordan Elliot. :) )
grinningdemon
wrote:
>On 11/30/09 10:11 PM, grinningdemon wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:51:28 -0500, Joe Sewell <ultr...@spamcop.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 11/14/09 2:19 AM, grinningdemon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:44:27 GMT, "Wildcat" <Wil...@lions-den.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now that the Multiverse has been returned, I hope that DC doesn't just plain
>>>>> out ignor the other Universes. I would love to contiue the JLA/JSA annual
>>>>> x-overs between Earth-1 and Earth-2, those were classics. Maybe they could
>>>>> meet the new Earth's rosters of those teams.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There has been talk from James Robinson about restoring the annual
>>>> JLA/JSA crossovers but I think it's limited to the new earth versions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I could handle that.
>>>
>>
>> Rather than making it a part of the regular books, I'd prefer to see
>> it as an annual special or even graphic novel...similar to the JLA/JSA
>> graphic novel Geoff Johns and Carlos Pacheco did several years back.
>>
>>
>Good idea. Even a one-off story, or something in Superman/Batman (where weird stuff is supposed to happen) would work.
>
>I'd prefer that over NE-only "crossovers," especially with the JSA (and JLA) getting puked upon now & to come.
Right...both books pretty much suck right now anyway...and this way we
get consistent writing and characterization...unlike most crossovers
(and I mean actual crossovers among ongoing series...not just event
books that borrow from other series).
>>>>> The Earth-1 Batman could meet the New-Earth Batman, and have a discussion of
>>>>> how different their lives were, like the E-1 Bruce Wayne was raised by his
>>>>> Uncle (Philip Wayne), while the N-E Bruce was raised by Alfred Pennyworth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Green Lanterns of Earth-1 (Hal Jordan), Earth-2 (Alan Scott), Earth-8 (Kyle
>>>>> Rayner) could meet there respective counterparts from New-Earth wondering
>>>>> how they all originate on the same dimension!
>>>>>
>>>>> There are various possibilities!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There is supposed to be some big multiverse-related project coming up
>>>> from Grant Morrison...possibly even related to what has happened to
>>>> Bruce Wayne.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> So much for a good idea. Putting Morrison on it would be worse than
>>> Haney's old attempts at teaming up Wildcat and Batman.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not much of a Morrison fan but this actually seems like a good fit
>> for him...he's shit with characterization but easily one of the most
>> imaginative writers in comics...stick him on alternate versions of the
>> characters at let him go to town (like All Star Superman)...especially
>> if it gets him to stop pissing all over Batman.
>>
>>
>Maybe. I'll admit, he did good with All-Star Superman, and even he wouldn't have come up with the mess that was All-Star Batman. OTOH I think Ordway could pull it off quite well, too.
I'd be kind of curious to see that All Star Batgirl book that was
supposed to be in the works and has now apparently been shelved.
I've never been the biggest Ordway fan...and I really didn't like how
he played up the E-2 Robin/Huntress romance in JSA...that was always
kind of a creepy plotline to me and I'd rather it was forgotten.
Yeah, I'm not as familar with pre-crisis DC as post...the only
pre-crisis multiverse crossovers I ever remember really liking were
the two Brave & the Bold issues near the end of the run where E-1
Batman met E-2 Robin, Batwoman, and Huntress...those were good
stories.
>I must agree that the Superman subplot in Infinite Crisis was also well
>done. It showed the differences between the two characters today, as
>well as punctuated, for us "old-timers," just how different New Earth
>Superman is from his Earth-One "counterpart," so to speak.
I thought Infinite Crisis was pretty much well done all around...it
was the last "event" from DC that I really enjoyed...I even liked the
books leading into it...the follow up stuff, however, was
garbage...OYL was a huge disappointment.
(Which
>reminds me, there would be no Earth-1 (of 52) Superman anymore; he's
>depowered Jordan Elliot. :) )
Something tells me that, if and when they visit the new E-1, "Whatever
Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" won't make the cut.