Rann Thanagar (Holy Crap its another Starllin religion) War
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I know that Starlin is writing it but please. How much can he recycle
tepid religiosity with space opera before it becomes irrelevant? If you
look back, he's been doing it in some form since Warlock, and Warlock at
least had Star Thief and an anti-hero subject matter which fit the times.
The Nova series from Marvel is a better way to show space characters in
my opinion. A sense of scale and majesty would be appreciated, Mr.
Starlin. The Rann Thanagar Holy War seems lacking in scale and
perspective. I think I will not complete my collection of this series.
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Pat O'Neill
I'm glad to have someone else say this...I've thought for a decade
that Starlin really only has one story that he keeps telling over and
over with different characters.
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And I like Starlin!
A pity...
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Duggy
> Doesn't the whole thing remind you of Starlin's Dreadstar?
>
> I know that Starlin is writing it but please. How much can he recycle
> tepid religiosity with space opera before it becomes irrelevant?
Judging by DC, just in the last three or four years...
Adam Strange: Planet Heist. (Diggler)
The Rann/Thanagar War. (Gibbons)
parts of 52. (various)
Mystery in Space. (Stalin)
Countdown to Adventure (Beechen)
Also, I'm pretty sure it happened in GLC, but I don't recall
specifics.
At least 6 times.
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Duggy
7. The recent Omega Men.
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TheWatcherUatu
I'm not sure that this is Starlin recycling his own ideas as much as
it is DC wanting to do something to resolve these plot threads hanging
around from other limited series and saying to themselves, "Hey, you
know who does these kinds of plots well? Jim Starlin!" That's entirely
speculation on my part. You all probably know better.
You're right, of course, that he does tend to fall back on certain
themes, though I don't tend to get bothered about it as long as I am
enjoying the story. It's a little early to call RANN THANAGAR HOLY
WAR, but I will say that I have no doubt that I'll purchase the next
installment. That's more than I can say about a lot of stuff.
jgb
OM
<gro...@videlicet.org> wrote:
>You're right, of course, that he does tend to fall back on certain
>themes, though I don't tend to get bothered about it as long as I am
>enjoying the story.
...If it involves religion in any way, shape or form, Starlin will
find a way to inject his own agenda. By his own admission, he's a
recovering Catholic school "victim" who was traumatized by the
Penguins, and the other divinations don't exactly offer any additional
solace to suit his needs. On the other hand, when he's allowed to vent
his spleen his own way - read the first few years of "Dreadstar" - he
can tell a really moving story. The rest of the time he comes across
as the Tori Amos(*) of comic books - pretty art, but the same old
story.
(*) One of the few complaints critics make about Tori is that about
90% of her songs tend to hammer the same message again and again: "I
was raped, and I'm going to whine and bitch about it until something's
done about it, especially if there's nothing that *can* be done!"
Similar criticisms have been made about Melissa Ethridge, with critics
pointing out that the majority of her songs can be summed up as "I'm a
lesbian, you're not, and unless you become one and hop into bed with
me right this minute, I'm going to kill myself!" And they called Devo
a one-joke band...:-/
OM
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ha! Thanks for the footnote. I wouldn't have understood the comparison
without it.
jgb
Magnus, Robot Fighter
wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:17:07 -0700 (PDT), TheWatcherUatu
><gro...@videlicet.org> wrote:
>
>>You're right, of course, that he does tend to fall back on certain
>>themes, though I don't tend to get bothered about it as long as I am
>>enjoying the story.
>
>...If it involves religion in any way, shape or form, Starlin will
>find a way to inject his own agenda. By his own admission, he's a
>recovering Catholic school "victim" who was traumatized by the
>Penguins, and the other divinations don't exactly offer any additional
>solace to suit his needs. On the other hand, when he's allowed to vent
>his spleen his own way - read the first few years of "Dreadstar" - he
>can tell a really moving story. The rest of the time he comes across
>as the Tori Amos(*) of comic books - pretty art, but the same old
>story.
>
>(*) One of the few complaints critics make about Tori is that about
>90% of her songs tend to hammer the same message again and again: "I
>was raped, and I'm going to whine and bitch about it until something's
>done about it, especially if there's nothing that *can* be done!"
>Similar criticisms have been made about Melissa Ethridge, with critics
>pointing out that the majority of her songs can be summed up as "I'm a
>lesbian, you're not, and unless you become one and hop into bed with
>me right this minute, I'm going to kill myself!" And they called Devo
>a one-joke band...:-/
>
> OM
And when Tori's not bitching about it, she's complaining about God
needing to be a woman and boys for volcanos. All the while her boring
chords sound like the 'chopping brocolli guy' Dana Carvey played on
SNL. And her cover album shows while she has a good ear for music, she
can't inerpret for shit.
God knows what Gaiman saw in her. Wacky, untalented, self-interested
women are a dime a dozen.
OM
<M...@Key.com> wrote:
> And her cover album shows while she has a good ear for music, she
>can't inerpret for shit.
...Actually, after hearing her cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", I
figured out her interpretational mechanism. She's channelling Bill
Murray's nightclub singer act.
>God knows what Gaiman saw in her. Wacky, untalented, self-interested
>women are a dime a dozen.
...Same argument's made daily about Kate Bush fans, whose music I will
admit is more of an acquired taste than an instant addiction. On the
other hand, Kate's only fallacy is that she's too much of a
perfectionist, and gets *way* to meticulous when producing an album.
While this drive for perfection worked...well, perfectly for "Hounds
of Love", every album after that has been a case where the music is so
flamboyantly crafted that the message of the song is damn near
obscured. In fact, the only song since "The Big Sky" that I can say
I've gotten the message of was "Rubberband Girl", and that's more of
an ode to battered women who choose to simply take the beatings
instead of returning the favor with a frying pan as their abusive
spouse deserves.
Or, at least that's what I *THINK* the message is. Kinda hard to tell
past the music..
Magnus, Robot Fighter
wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:20:20 -0500, "Magnus, Robot Fighter"
><M...@Key.com> wrote:
>
>> And her cover album shows while she has a good ear for music, she
>>can't inerpret for shit.
>
>...Actually, after hearing her cover of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", I
>figured out her interpretational mechanism. She's channelling Bill
>Murray's nightclub singer act.
>
>>God knows what Gaiman saw in her. Wacky, untalented, self-interested
>>women are a dime a dozen.
>
>...Same argument's made daily about Kate Bush fans, whose music I will
>admit is more of an acquired taste than an instant addiction. On the
>other hand, Kate's only fallacy is that she's too much of a
>perfectionist, and gets *way* to meticulous when producing an album.
>While this drive for perfection worked...well, perfectly for "Hounds
>of Love", every album after that has been a case where the music is so
>flamboyantly crafted that the message of the song is damn near
>obscured. In fact, the only song since "The Big Sky" that I can say
>I've gotten the message of was "Rubberband Girl", and that's more of
>an ode to battered women who choose to simply take the beatings
>instead of returning the favor with a frying pan as their abusive
>spouse deserves.
>
>Or, at least that's what I *THINK* the message is. Kinda hard to tell
>past the music..
> OM
There was no bigger fan of Kate's back in the day then I, but like
Peter Gabriel (and many artists), after she had her most successful
album ever it's like....now what? Well, *now* becomes a greatest hits
album...and then what? *Then what* becomes several years while they
figure out what they want to do. And by the time new material comes
out, I've moved on. "US" didn't grab me like "SO" did, but it's worth
revisiting. And "Sensual World" is no "Hounds of Love".
In other words, I agree with you.
Tim Turnip
<M...@Key.com> wrote:
As a Kate fan who disdained for "Sensual World" and "The Red Shoes"
myself, I urge you to give 2005's "Aerial" a try if you haven't yet.
Very much a return to form, and very focused as a both a concept album
and as a set of individual songs.
OM
<M...@Key.com> wrote:
>"US" didn't grab me like "SO" did, but it's worth revisiting.
..."US" was when Peter was going through his marital problems, and it
shows throughout the album. It's probably his most depressing one
since "Melt" (AKA the third album), primarily because it's far more
personal where the songs of "Melt" are about different, more global
subjects. To be honest, I don't think Peter's totally recovered from
that breakup, as the tone of his later albums are a lot more
negatively dischordant than what we'd come to expect even from "Melt"
or "Security".
Then again, it could be the fact that his current cueball appearance
makes him look older than dirt...:-) :-)
OM
wrote:
>As a Kate fan who disdained for "Sensual World" and "The Red Shoes"
>myself, I urge you to give 2005's "Aerial" a try if you haven't yet.
>Very much a return to form, and very focused as a both a concept album
>and as a set of individual songs.
...I have, and as much as I've tried - I've listened to it stone cold
sober, drunk off my ass, sick with the flu and zonkered on the last
bottle of *real* NyQuil in CenTex, and most recently while in the
hospital getting my right leg amputated below the knee and zapped on
Soma, Narco and an on-demand-every-six-minutes Morphine drip, it still
didn't grab me like all of her work before "Sensual World" did.
God/Yahweh/Roddenberry help me, but I *have* tried! :-(
On the other hand, I did take the time to discover the Scissor
Sisters...:-)