Re: Batman Returns (Bruce Wayne that is!)
grinningdemon
wrote:
>I can tell you all right now that Bruce Wayne will re-assume the Cape n'
>Cowl in Batman #700; and Superman will return a month later in Superman
>#700. Notice that they are just a few months away!
I agree with you about Superman but I doubt Bruce will be back that
soon (as much as I wish it were so)...Batwing would have only been
around less than a year...even Azbat lasted longer than that.
black...@aol.com
> I can tell you all right now that Bruce Wayne will re-assume the Cape n'
> Cowl in Batman #700; and Superman will return a month later in Superman
> #700. Notice that they are just a few months away!
Notice that this was pretty much assumed at the time Battle for the
Cowl was announced over a year ago
grinningdemon
It seems rather obvious (and I really want Batman back) but that
really isn't very far off and I would think we would have heard
something by now if he were going to be back so soon.
black...@aol.com
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:10:39 -0800 (PST), "blackje...@aol.com"
>
> <blackje...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 13, 6:03 am, "Wildcat" <Wild...@lions-den.org> wrote:
> >> I can tell you all right now that Bruce Wayne will re-assume the Cape n'
> >> Cowl in Batman #700; and Superman will return a month later in Superman
> >> #700. Notice that they are just a few months away!
>
> >Notice that this was pretty much assumed at the time Battle for the
> >Cowl was announced over a year ago
>
> It seems rather obvious (and I really want Batman back) but that
> really isn't very far off and I would think we would have heard
> something by now if he were going to be back so soon.
Not far off? Isn't the next film going to be released in Summer 2011?
That's close to two years
grinningdemon
Batman #700 (the point at which the original poster believes Bruce
will return) is only 7 issues away...that isn't far off.
Hand-of-Omega
I'm seeing is if, for some reason, Dick doesn't want to give up being
Batman, and the two come to blows over it. Which would be stupid. I
could see Bruce (surely a little traumatized from living so many
horrible lives?) temporarily retiring, even to take a mentor position
like in Batman Beyond. But there's little conflict in that, and as we
all know, Conflict drives Drama...
Dex
grinningdemon
I really can't see Bruce retiring...not just because it's out of
character, but because it's not a very powerful story if Bruce comes
back and doesn't become Batman again...there's just no point in
resurrecting him at all if it isn't so he can suit up...it's the same
deal with Captain America over at Marvel right now.
Frankly, I don't really care how they bring him back as long as we get
Batman back ASAP...the bigger question is what happens to Dick when
Bruce returns? Nightwing is already taken, after all. Personally, I
think it would be interesting if he somehow died as Batman before
Bruce's return (or during)...then you get the added tragedy to drive
Bruce on and internal conflict over Dick dying when he got to come
back...possibly even others in the bat-clan who would somehow blame
Bruce...then again, I've never had much interest in Dick Grayson
anyway.
black...@aol.com
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:25:43 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
>
I also can't see Dick just going back to Bludhaven either. Having
another "death" right at the moment the last character in the family
that was killed returns? It would pretty much rob "death" in comics of
the tiny bit of meaning it still has left. Maybe Bruce returns, sees
Dick doing a good job as Batman, so Bruce takes up Dick's old
Nightwing identity and the two fight side by side for a while. Then
Dick finally has his fill of superhero life, retires, and goes off
into the sunset with Barbra?
grinningdemon
That would be pretty tough since Bludhaven doesn't exist anymore.
Having
>another "death" right at the moment the last character in the family
>that was killed returns? It would pretty much rob "death" in comics of
>the tiny bit of meaning it still has left.
I think that ship sailed long, long ago...and, if Blackest Night ends
with mass resurrections like a lot of people think, it's going to
become a total joke...might as well add one more to the pile.
It would have made a much better story if they hadn't killed Bruce off
at all but instead had him so screwed up by the RIP storyline that he
quits (which would mean having to beef up that storyline to make it
believable that he would quit)...then have Dick become Batman and die,
forcing Bruce back in.
Maybe Bruce returns, sees
>Dick doing a good job as Batman, so Bruce takes up Dick's old
>Nightwing identity and the two fight side by side for a while. Then
>Dick finally has his fill of superhero life, retires, and goes off
>into the sunset with Barbra?
Bruce as Nightwing? Really? I assume you're joking but, taking that
seriously for a second, what possible rationale could there be for
that? As for Barbara, I sincerely hope they never hook the two of
them up again (though I'm sure they will)...that pairing always felt
kind of forced to me.
Duggy
> Maybe Bruce returns, sees
> Dick doing a good job as Batman, so Bruce takes up Dick's old
> Nightwing identity and the two fight side by side for a while.
Nah, I can't see that happening. I can see him taking the mentor
role... it has precedent in a few things and seems like the sort of
thing that the writers would be interested in doing and the sort of
thing that Morrison originally had planned.
My guess is that he'll retake the role to "correct" some of the
mistakes of the Battle for the Cowl.
Dick will certainly offer him the cowl the second he returns and
probably feel uncomfortable keeping it with Bruce around.
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Anlatt the Builder
What might be interesting is if Gotham City winds up a better place
under Dick's jurisdiction than it ever did during Bruce's. After all,
even with all the fantabulous work Batman does, it never seems like a
very nice place to live. If it winds up more hospitable, then, when
Bruce comes back, he and Dick will have a difficult decision to make.
Duggy
> On Dec 3, 5:51 pm, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> > Dick will certainly offer him the cowl the second he returns and
> > probably feel uncomfortable keeping it with Bruce around.
> What might be interesting is if Gotham City winds up a better place
> under Dick's jurisdiction than it ever did during Bruce's.
Well, no, the comics would become boring if Gotham became a better
place :)
> After all,
> even with all the fantabulous work Batman does, it never seems like a
> very nice place to live. If it winds up more hospitable, then, when
> Bruce comes back, he and Dick will have a difficult decision to make.
That would be an interesting story idea, but one that leads to a
dangerous dead end.
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grinningdemon
Gotham is and always will be a cesspool...otherwise there would be no
point to a Batman at all...and, if the future story where Damian was
Batman is any indication of Morrison's thought process here, I don't
think we need to worry about a kinder, gentler Gotham.
grinningdemon
Of course, we all know it would be totally unheard of for DC (or
Marvel, for that matter) to head full speed toward a brick wall and
then hand wave it all away with a reality punch or a deal with the
devil, right?
Billy Bissette
f5f480...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
How interesting would it be? If Bruce came back to find that Gotham
was better without him, then he'd presumably quit being Batman. Only
to return when things did get worse again.
Maybe he'd be suspicious of things being better, and whether or not
that improvement had anything to do with his absense. Crime dropping
in Gotham could as likely mean that something big is around the corner,
after all.
Of course, what we'd actually get is Dick thinking that things
improved with Bruce gone, thinking that he was a better Batman, and
that Bruce should stay out of the way. Bruce, on the other hand,
would think that Dick was being stupid. They'd fight a bit. Then
something big would happen and Bruce would be the one to save the
day for the city and/or Dick, putting the young upstart back into
his place. Something would also happen to shuffle Damian out of
the picture.
Duggy
Yes, you are right about that.
Actually, it seems exactly like the sort of thing that DC would do...
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