IC#5 (spoilers)
Michael
Okay, questions and comments:
- Jean Loring *WAS* last shown to be married to another guy, right?
- Still no mention of that crossbow pistol.
- Has there ever been any questions or comments about what would happen
if Firestorm's body got pierced? Shouldn't he have blowed up right
away? If not, why couldn't he repair himself?
- Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
- So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask who
it is?
- It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except that
his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous appearances.
- After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
(apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
several shots on Boomerbutt.
- Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous security
systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
- They're STILL autopsying Sue Dibny?!
- How about this for a theory: It's a group of several heretofore
not-terribly threatening villains working as a team with the Calculator
in the driver's seat.
That's all I can think of for now. Maybe more later.
Michael
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>- Jean Loring *WAS* last shown to be married to another guy, right?
If you mean *last*...as in mentioned with another man....no as of IC1.
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>- Still no mention of that crossbow pistol.
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>- Has there ever been any questions or comments about what would happen
>if Firestorm's body got pierced? Shouldn't he have blowed up right
>away? If not, why couldn't he repair himself?
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>- Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
>shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
>aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
> If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
He's Deadshot. If Scott Summers can pull shit like that then so can
Deadshot.
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>- So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask who
>it is?
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>- It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except that
>his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous appearances.
I've been saying for awhile it was Boomer that did Sue. How he got in
and didn't leave any footprints i have no idea. Also how he learned
Tim's ID i dunno either.
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>- After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
>(apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
>several shots on Boomerbutt.
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>- Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous security
>systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
I'd guess only the families publiclly ID'd would have the fantabulous
security systems that don't work. Otherwise the systems themselves
might draw attention to the families.
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>- They're STILL autopsying Sue Dibny?!
Good point. Apparently time slows down in the JSA meat locker.
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>- How about this for a theory: It's a group of several heretofore
>not-terribly threatening villains working as a team with the Calculator
>in the driver's seat.
I'd guess Calculator has figured out some ID's and has manipulated
events to drive up prices. No big conspiricy....
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>That's all I can think of for now. Maybe more later.
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Firestorm *Was* a rather famous JLA member right? I mean it's not like
he's Vibe....(who also got a better send-off) they summarily dispatch
him in two pages??? Shit...Tim's frigging dad gets a much better
treatment. So does Boomerang for that matter.
Obviously Green Arrow is not a physicist either. You puncture a
nulclear reactor a number of things could happen....a nuclear
explosion is not one of them.
Lilith
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>>if Firestorm's body got pierced? Shouldn't he have blowed up right
>>away? If not, why couldn't he repair himself?
Because he's still organic and his powers don't work on organics?
>>- Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
>>shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
>>aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
>> If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
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>He's Deadshot. If Scott Summers can pull shit like that then so can
>Deadshot.
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>>- So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask who
>>it is?
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>>- It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except that
>>his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous appearances.
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>I've been saying for awhile it was Boomer that did Sue. How he got in
>and didn't leave any footprints i have no idea. Also how he learned
>Tim's ID i dunno either.
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>>- After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
>>(apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
>>several shots on Boomerbutt.
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>>- Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous security
>>systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
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>I'd guess only the families publiclly ID'd would have the fantabulous
>security systems that don't work. Otherwise the systems themselves
>might draw attention to the families.
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>>- They're STILL autopsying Sue Dibny?!
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>Good point. Apparently time slows down in the JSA meat locker.
Or one of their members was able to put the body into statis somehow.
>>- How about this for a theory: It's a group of several heretofore
>>not-terribly threatening villains working as a team with the Calculator
>>in the driver's seat.
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>I'd guess Calculator has figured out some ID's and has manipulated
>events to drive up prices. No big conspiricy....
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>>That's all I can think of for now. Maybe more later.
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>Firestorm *Was* a rather famous JLA member right? I mean it's not like
>he's Vibe....(who also got a better send-off) they summarily dispatch
>him in two pages??? Shit...Tim's frigging dad gets a much better
>treatment. So does Boomerang for that matter.
Ah, but this month's (this week's actually) issue of Firestorm has an
IC tie-in. I haven't read it yet but I suspect it explains how the
new guy got his powers.
>Obviously Green Arrow is not a physicist either. You puncture a
>nulclear reactor a number of things could happen....a nuclear
>explosion is not one of them.
Shrug.
Lilith
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Maybe, she needed some target practice...
> - Has there ever been any questions or comments about what would happen
> if Firestorm's body got pierced? Shouldn't he have blowed up right
> away? If not, why couldn't he repair himself?
I think Meltzer's getting Firestorm mixed up with Captain Atom, whose death
destroyed Kansas in Kingdom Come.
What I can't believe is he melted the Shining Knight's magic sword.
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> - Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
> shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
> aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
> If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
This is really bizarre, especially given Deadshot's likelihood of using
rounds capable of coming out the other end -- through his spine.
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> - So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask who
> it is?
Golden Gilder, you mean. I've been trying to think of a lady speedster old
enough to be Jr's mom, but I've yet to think of one. What I'm wondering is:
is he really Boomerang's son? Or is this Barry Allen's deep dark secret?
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> - It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except that
> his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous appearances.
(silhouette -- just trying to be helpful)
Actually, I interpreted the whole sequence to mean Boomerang is NOT Sue
Dibny's killer.
Someone sent Jack Drake a gun and a warning, knowing Boomerang was about to
show up.
I suspect someone leaked Tim Drake's identity to Boomerang, convincing him
to make the kill to restore his floundering reputation. However, the real
plan was to have Boomerang killed during the murder attempt so the blame for
Sue's death would fall on him.
Besides, killing the murderer in the middle of a mystery really makes for a
slow conclusion.
> - After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
> (apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
> several shots on Boomerbutt.
Amazing when you consider Boomerang's an ex-Barry Allen foe.
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> - Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous security
> systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
Well, he did enter the apartment building through the roof.
Now that I think about it, was he using the Trickster's air-shoes to walk up
that building? Or was that strange layer underneath his boot in one panel a
variant on Golden Glider's levitating ice trails?
Lilith
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>> if Firestorm's body got pierced? Shouldn't he have blowed up right
>> away? If not, why couldn't he repair himself?
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>I think Meltzer's getting Firestorm mixed up with Captain Atom, whose death
>destroyed Kansas in Kingdom Come.
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>> - Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
>> shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
>> aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
>> If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
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>This is really bizarre, especially given Deadshot's likelihood of using
>rounds capable of coming out the other end -- through his spine.
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>> - So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask who
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>Golden Gilder, you mean. I've been trying to think of a lady speedster old
>enough to be Jr's mom, but I've yet to think of one. What I'm wondering is:
>is he really Boomerang's son? Or is this Barry Allen's deep dark secret?
Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all, Boomerang
was treating this junior as his own son so he most have believe him to
be such.
>> - It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except that
>> his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous appearances.
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>Actually, I interpreted the whole sequence to mean Boomerang is NOT Sue
>Dibny's killer.
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>Someone sent Jack Drake a gun and a warning, knowing Boomerang was about to
>show up.
And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
end of last issue.
>I suspect someone leaked Tim Drake's identity to Boomerang, convincing him
>to make the kill to restore his floundering reputation. However, the real
>plan was to have Boomerang killed during the murder attempt so the blame for
>Sue's death would fall on him.
>Besides, killing the murderer in the middle of a mystery really makes for a
>slow conclusion.
>> - After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
>> (apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
>> several shots on Boomerbutt.
>Amazing when you consider Boomerang's an ex-Barry Allen foe.
But look how paunchy he looks. This is not a man in great physical
shape.
>> - Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous security
>> systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
I don't think it was he.
>Well, he did enter the apartment building through the roof.
>Now that I think about it, was he using the Trickster's air-shoes to walk up
>that building? Or was that strange layer underneath his boot in one panel a
>variant on Golden Glider's levitating ice trails?
Lilith
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That's Batman's foot on the batpedal.
I'm pretty sure Boomer's hopped up on Miraclo....which also explains
the deviation in his personality.
Amoral, unremorseful, a coward, yes. Capable of cold-bloodedly killing
Sue Dibny while thinking straight....enh.
Ronsord
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Yes, but I don't know if they were still together,
> - Still no mention of that crossbow pistol.
Just embarassed.
> - Has there ever been any questions or comments about what would
> happen if Firestorm's body got pierced?
Not that I recall.
> Shouldn't he have blowed up right away?
Not necessarily
>If not, why couldn't he repair himself?
Well, presumably Firestorm is partially organic, though not very, and that
confused things, also possibly with his structure destabilised he wasn't
able to fix himself.
> - Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
> shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that
> he aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least
> damage? If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or
> something?
Deadshot would always take a thousand to one shot because he knows he's good
enough to make the thousand to one shot. And he has a deathwish, a bad
combination in trying to second guess him.
> - So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask
> who it is?
I assume you mean Golden Glider, and the idea of her being his mother was
insane form the start, the timing is all wrong, never mind the fact she'd
probably sooner have sex with Gorilla Grodd than Digger Harkness.
> - It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except
> that his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous
> appearances.
So it's probably not him
> - After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
> (apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
> several shots on Boomerbutt.
But how many mainstream DCU villains know Robin's ID, and how many would
shoot his father? It just seems even more pointless than Sue Dibny, and
destroys one of the things that made Tim distinct from the other Bat-clan, a
functional family he's biologically related to.
> - Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous
> security systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other
> instances?
More evidence it's not him.
> - They're STILL autopsying Sue Dibny?!
Well, you don't want to rush something as fun as an autopsy do you?
Ronsord
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Dang, you're right. It is Batman's foot there. Better turn my lights up.
Can't see clearly for all the noir.
> I'm pretty sure Boomer's hopped up on Miraclo....which also explains
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You're right, he probably just leaped up to the roof.
Michael
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:36:49 -0700, Michael <jan...@charter.net>
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>>- Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
>>shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
>>aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
>> If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
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> Deadshot.
Scott shot hisself in the neck?
>>- Hmm. Boomerbutt went through the front door. No fantabulous security
>>systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
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> security systems that don't work. Otherwise the systems themselves
> might draw attention to the families.
IIRC, it was said that the Fantabulous Multi-World Technological
Security System (tm and pat. pend.) was available to any hero that
requested it.
> Firestorm *Was* a rather famous JLA member right? I mean it's not like
> he's Vibe....(who also got a better send-off) they summarily dispatch
> him in two pages??? Shit...Tim's frigging dad gets a much better
> treatment. So does Boomerang for that matter.
True. Maybe it's because Ronnie's successor has been running around for
awhile now?
Michael
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>>>- Has there ever been any questions or comments about what would happen
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Doesn't this issue show him as a being of energy held together by a
sweet 70s costume?
>>Obviously Green Arrow is not a physicist either. You puncture a
>>nulclear reactor a number of things could happen....a nuclear
>>explosion is not one of them.
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Is Captain Atom a "Nuclear Reactor"? If so, doesn't piercing his
skin/costume cause a big boom?
Michael
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My mistake.
> I've been trying to think of a lady speedster old
> enough to be Jr's mom, but I've yet to think of one. What I'm wondering is:
> is he really Boomerang's son? Or is this Barry Allen's deep dark secret?
Hmm. Another untold story of a rape, this time producing a child, in
the next issue or two?
>>- It now is supposed to look like Boomerbutt is the killer. Except that
>>his silhoette (sp?) doesn't really match up with previous appearances.
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Thanks!
> Actually, I interpreted the whole sequence to mean Boomerang is NOT Sue
> Dibny's killer.
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> Someone sent Jack Drake a gun and a warning, knowing Boomerang was about to
> show up.
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> I suspect someone leaked Tim Drake's identity to Boomerang, convincing him
> to make the kill to restore his floundering reputation. However, the real
> plan was to have Boomerang killed during the murder attempt so the blame for
> Sue's death would fall on him.
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> Besides, killing the murderer in the middle of a mystery really makes for a
> slow conclusion.
Another thing I though about: Isn't it rather jarring to go from
Boomerbutt having quality time with the young'un to leaving him a
message about what he's gonna do (which sounds like he told Boomerbutt
Jr. about it earlier) with nothing provided as to a reason why?
I guess Meltzer likes to shock his readers with odd plot twists that are
only explained in flashback?
Michael
Michael
Don't forget "and try to make it look like Dr. Light did it."
Michael
Jeremy Henderson
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>> - Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
>> shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that
>> he aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least
>> damage? If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or
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>enough to make the thousand to one shot. And he has a deathwish, a bad
>combination in trying to second guess him.
Plus I believe his eyepiece feeds him all kinds of targeting info, so
him being able to pull off a shot that wings him in the neck I don't
find all that unusual.
Kyle's reaction, however, just makes him look like an imbecile.
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I guess other questions are:
If Firestorm didn't blow up right away, why? Did the reaction need time
to get going? Was Ronnie holding it back himself? If the latter, why
couldn't he keep doing that until he depowered, fixed his suit, or got
some super-strong metal grafted to his front?
Should someone note that this is the second hero to get sishkebobbed?
>>- After handling Robin continuity SO BADLY, Mr. Meltzer gets to
>>(apparently) kill him off?! Feh I say! At least Mr. Drake got off
>>several shots on Boomerbutt.
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> shoot his father? It just seems even more pointless than Sue Dibny, and
> destroys one of the things that made Tim distinct from the other Bat-clan, a
> functional family he's biologically related to.
As for how many DCU villains know Robin's secret ID, I dunno.
Why kill Tim's dad? Isn't the idea of this mini-series that someone (or
several someones) is attacking heroes through their families?
As for the last point, it's a good one, and I'd blame Those In Charge.
I just wonder if the Batbook Editor signed off on it or was ordered to
accept it?
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True, true.
Michael
lavar78
My guess: something changed when he found out Junior has speed powers
What, I don't know.
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lavar78
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> time to get going? Was Ronnie holding it back himself? If the
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Yes, but Robin is a VERY weird choice, he's a much loved character amongst
fans and his comrades, but he hasn't got the highest profile even amongst
the heroic set. I'm not sure he's even MET most of the Justice League....
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My guess is, that if the guy has superspeed powers, his Daddy is the old
Flash Rogue known as the Top, now deceased; He's the only man Glider ever
cared for, the only one she would concievably have a child with, and IIRC he
did have super speed powers (Though his only worked when he was spinning)
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More that he's a master of calculating riccochet vectors in his head.
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>> security systems that don't work. Otherwise the systems themselves
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> Security System (tm and pat. pend.) was available to any hero that
> requested it.
Specifically, "After Batgirl got shot a few years ago." You know,
Batgirl, a close friend of Batman's. Too bad Tim Drake doesn't have
that kind of connection. :-)
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>> he's Vibe....(who also got a better send-off) they summarily dispatch
>> him in two pages??? Shit...Tim's frigging dad gets a much better
>> treatment. So does Boomerang for that matter.
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> True. Maybe it's because Ronnie's successor has been running around
> for awhile now?
It's also consistent with the series' general approach of trashing the
very concepts/characters it's using for nostalgic purposes and purports
to love. Perhaps this is the ultimate geek revenge? Trash all the
comics that made you a geek back when you were reading them? :-)
--
Peace,
George
Michael
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:43:52 +0100, "Brian Doyle"
> <No_...@freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that
>>>he aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least
>>> damage? If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or
>>>something?
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>>Deadshot would always take a thousand to one shot because he knows he's good
>>enough to make the thousand to one shot. And he has a deathwish, a bad
>>combination in trying to second guess him.
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> him being able to pull off a shot that wings him in the neck I don't
> find all that unusual.
The shot is pretty blatantly shown as going THROUGH his neck.
> Kyle's reaction, however, just makes him look like an imbecile.
Michael
Michael
IMHO, we'll have to wait for the explanations of who did it and why to
judge if Robin was a believably reasonable target.
Could be a way to get to Batman in a very roundabout way.
Michael
George
Which, while always a neat visual, never made much sense to me.
That is, he seemed to have the ability to calibrate the force of his
optic blasts along a spectrum ranging from "push the cueball" to "punch
through steel". But sometimes when he pulled his "compute spatial
angles in my head" thing, he would bounce a blast off a wall that would
then go on to---blast a hole through the same material on the other
side of the room. Wha? :-)
Deadshot doing something similar with a bullet? Hmm. Maybe. Stretches
his abilites into the super-human, if you ask me, which doesn't suit
the character. But Marvel's done that with Bullsye for years, so fair's
fair. I think there'd be too many variables invovled to account
for--especially with so much on the line. It's not like it was his only
way out of the situation.
--
Peace,
George
Michael
That I can accept. But I still don't think Deadshot knows just where a
shot could go through his neck with little damage.
Michael
Michael
Then why all the angst over a kid that's not Boomerbutt's, even though
he shares a natural talent with the boomerang, and some have noted that
he resembles 'butt.
Unless 'butt doesn't know that the kid's not his. Though I thought the
big drama was over who Jr.'s mother was since it doesn't look like it
was the Golden Glider?
Michael
George
There's a darker possibility at work, given the writer, and given
recent hints about Barry's deep dark secret.
Let's remember that Iris' "murder" has been mentioned more than once in
this series. Let's also remember that, at the time of her "murder," she
and Barry had reconciled and were planning on starting a family. Let's
also remember that Prof. Zoom "killed" Iris, after months and months of
brainwashing. And let's remember that super-speed powers seem to be
inheritable along the Thwane/Allen family genes.
There'd be all sorts of character and continuity distortions necessary
to pull things off along these lines but, hey, it's IDENTITY CRISIS.
--
Peace,
George
Magnus, Robot Fighter.
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>very concepts/characters it's using for nostalgic purposes and purports
>to love. Perhaps this is the ultimate geek revenge? Trash all the
>comics that made you a geek back when you were reading them? :-)
If he read Firestorm, then he was a geek.
Hmmm....since Meltzer seems to be around my age and got into comics
when I did.....maybe he stopped reading JLA regularly when i did, when
Zatanna and Firestorm joined....and this is some sort of revenge.
Doesn't make sense to kill Sue though since I greatly enjoyed Ralph
joining.
Tom Galloway
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Btw, where's Tim's stepmom been during all this? She's not appeared at all,
and unless they plan on changing this in a future Robin issue that's set
pre-IC, she doesn't know about the double id.
And, there's another case of calling attention to a convention leading to
a problem. Meltzer goes for the dramatic "victim on the phone to police
(Oracle) as the killer approaches" *and* "victim on the phone to close
relative/giving a final good-bye" (sorta have to admire the chutzpah of
combining those).
But there's a problem or three. He's on the phone to Oracle, not a police
department limited by the speed of a police car. They cover Flash "not
picking up". Um, OK, so did Jay, Bart, Diana, J'onn, John, Kyle, Clark,
Harold, Connor, Billy, Mary, Freddy, Alan, Jennie-Lynn, Ray (they're on the
phone), the other Ray, Zatanna, etc. all also "not pick up"? (If I were Oracle,
I'd have a speed dial set for "every single speedster in case I need someone
somewhere *now*"). And I guess the JLA teleporters were out of order.
But let's go back to "Tim is a complete moron". There's a death threat
against Superman's wife. Secret ids have been compromised at a high level.
So, Tim decides to leave his father alone. In their apartment without
the super-ultra-hyper-but-defeatable security system.
Um, Jack knows Bruce is Batman. Use the freakin' Batcave as a safe house for
him. Use the JLA Watchtower. Use Titans Tower. Use the JSA brownstone.
If Tim feels compelled to stretch his legs, have some other hero come in
and go on monitor, er, guard duty for a while.
tyg t...@panix.com
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--Yes, the .sig has changed
George
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:36:47 -0400, George <geel...@netscape.net>
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>> very concepts/characters it's using for nostalgic purposes and purports
>> to love. Perhaps this is the ultimate geek revenge? Trash all the
>> comics that made you a geek back when you were reading them? :-)
>
> If he read Firestorm, then he was a geek.
If he read *any* mainstream superhero comics in the 1970s, he was a
geek. We all were.
Having said that: the first two years or so of the Conway/Broderick
FURY OF FIRESTORM were pretty good comics for their time and context,
and you can see many of the more "realistic" elements that we take for
granted today emerging in them.
I'd venture to guess, though, that he wasn't reading much Firestorm
back then, since there was never any indication that any wound to
Firestorm's body (which was a real body, just with flaming hair and
weird eyes) would trigger any kind of explosion. Also, since the only
organic material Firestorm was able to transmute was, in fact, his own
body (as countless stories made clear), he could, in theory, fix his
own body. But that's neither here nor there, since the character was
clearly killed off to clear the decks for the new Firestorm and yet
more shock value.
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> Hmmm....since Meltzer seems to be around my age and got into comics
> when I did.....maybe he stopped reading JLA regularly when i did, when
> Zatanna and Firestorm joined....and this is some sort of revenge.
I think the "revenge" would be far more subconscious than that. And
he's hardly the only currently hot superhero comics writer who talks a
lot about his great love for the characters in his youth while writing
stories that suggest some other kinds of emotions toward them. It's a
trend, it seems.
--
Peace,
George
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GA was a notorious activist against that stuff in the O'Neil/Adams
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Because that makes this comment a cynically comforting thought. ;p
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Sean
Magnus, Robot Fighter.
I don't get it...for the father to be Boomer, the mother would have to
be the speedster. Iris being the mother doesn't mean anything.
http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/ladies.html
here's a list of speedsters....doesn't give me any ideas that arn't
terribly convulated like Dawn Allen went back in time to see what
happened to her father and Boomer caught her, raped her and she got
away at some point.
I guess the best bet would be one of the Trinity chicks, but that
involves some real world aging.
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>> Flash Rogue known as the Top, now deceased; He's the only man Glider ever
>> cared for, the only one she would concievably have a child with, and IIRC
>he
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I don't think the Top is as deceased as he once was.
Hasn't he been seen acting creepy in the most
recent issue or two of The Flash?
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Glider ever
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spinning)
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> Hasn't he been seen acting creepy in the most
> recent issue or two of The Flash?
Waid brought him back, I believe, in a 2-or-3-part arc, entitled
Presidential Race, a few years ago. He's been revamped by Geoff Johns
and is REAL creepy these days, yeah.
--
Sean
Jeremy Henderson
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Now that I think of it...if he's going to wound himself to shock Kyle
into dropping the field, why not just shoot himself directly and not
risk the chance of miscalculating the shot and killing himself?
Geez...I've only read three pages, and find it moronic already.
Jeremy Henderson
wrote:
Very true, though that could just be a miscommunication between writer
and artist. But the more I think about it, the more stupid the whole
scene seems. If Deadshot had wanted to shock Kyle into dropping the
shield, he could have shot himself directly instead of doing a trick
shot that stood a good chance of going wrong and killing him.
Also, didn't Kyle just get all the fingers of his hand broken a couple
days ago?
Jeremy Henderson
>Um, Jack knows Bruce is Batman. Use the freakin' Batcave as a safe house for
>him. Use the JLA Watchtower. Use Titans Tower. Use the JSA brownstone.
>If Tim feels compelled to stretch his legs, have some other hero come in
>and go on monitor, er, guard duty for a while.
Heh, funny that I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. Maybe ALL
of the various JLA members opted for handing out crossbows over
bodyguards or safehouses for their loved ones.
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> > is he really Boomerang's son? Or is this Barry Allen's deep dark secret?
>
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> the next issue or two?
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supervillainess...
> > Actually, I interpreted the whole sequence to mean Boomerang is NOT Sue
> > Dibny's killer.
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> > show up.
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> > to make the kill to restore his floundering reputation. However, the real
> > plan was to have Boomerang killed during the murder attempt so the blame for
> > Sue's death would fall on him.
Exactly. Except that the evidence of the box would still be
there...Isn't anyone dusting all this evidence (rope, etc) for
fingerprints?!^^
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> > slow conclusion.
>
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> Boomerbutt having quality time with the young'un to leaving him a
> message about what he's gonna do (which sounds like he told Boomerbutt
> Jr. about it earlier) with nothing provided as to a reason why?
>
He gave a reason why: a big score to make him big again. Question is,
what did he think he was going to find in the house? Assume nothing.
He wasn't necessarily there to kill anyone...
Dex,
thru the looking glass, people!^_~
Ronsord
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> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:16 GMT, "Ronsord" <gSPAMN...@woh.rr.com>
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> >is he really Boomerang's son? Or is this Barry Allen's deep dark secret?
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what he'd been told.
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> end of last issue.
Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
apparent cause of death, by now?
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> >> systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
>
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Especially since solicitations say that issue seven finally reveals
the real killer...^^
Dex,
glad they had Dr. Fate rule out magic, tho...
George
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>>>> who it is?
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>>> Flash Rogue known as the Top, now deceased; He's the only man Glider ever
>>> cared for, the only one she would concievably have a child with, and IIRC he
>>> did have super speed powers (Though his only worked when he was spinning)
>>
>> There's a darker possibility at work, given the writer, and given
>> recent hints about Barry's deep dark secret.
>>
>> Let's remember that Iris' "murder" has been mentioned more than once in
>> this series. Let's also remember that, at the time of her "murder," she
>> and Barry had reconciled and were planning on starting a family. Let's
>> also remember that Prof. Zoom "killed" Iris, after months and months of
>> brainwashing. And let's remember that super-speed powers seem to be
>> inheritable along the Thwane/Allen family genes.
>>
>> There'd be all sorts of character and continuity distortions necessary
>> to pull things off along these lines but, hey, it's IDENTITY CRISIS.
>
> I don't get it...for the father to be Boomer, the mother would have to
> be the speedster. Iris being the mother doesn't mean anything.
I'm suggesting that Boomer might not actually be the father.
I'm not suggesting it at all strongly, mind you, as I don't think it's
worth thinking about much at this stage--if ever--but tonally, it
wouldn't surprise me.
--
Peace,
George
Johanna Draper Carlson
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Except that in the same scene, they talk about being worried that the
body is starting to decompose before they can get more analysis done.
It's another Meltzer Inconsistency.
--
Johanna Draper Carlson
Reviews of Comics Worth Reading -- http://www.comicsworthreading.com
Blogging at http://www.comicsworthreading.com/blog/cwr.html
George
> Lilith <lil...@dcccd.edu> wrote in message
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Depends on whether they're using digital cameras. :-)
(Oh, wait, wrong flub....)
> glad they had Dr. Fate rule out magic, tho...
Though without explaining why neither he nor Zatanna has tried to use
magic to reveal the killer.
--
Peace,
George
CBoldman
>> was treating this junior as his own son so he most have believe him to
>> be such.
>>
>What's the old saying: "Mommy's baby, Daddy's, maybe".^^ He believed
>what he'd been told.
>>
>> And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
>> end of last issue.
>
>Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
>How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
>apparent cause of death, by now?
>>
I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
speed would certainly indicate that he's not
Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
off by the discovery. Curious.
That note to Lois is a curious thing too. It was
apparently a threat, but the note this issue
(presumably written by the same person) was
designed to offer Tim Drake's dad protection. What
character has a reason to threaten Lois, but protect
Drake?
As to how long the autopsy's taking -- The first
caption in the story says "Sue Dibny died last week,"
so it's taking a while.
Magnus, Robot Fighter.
>>> Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all, Boomerang
>>> was treating this junior as his own son so he most have believe him to
>>> be such.
>>>
>>What's the old saying: "Mommy's baby, Daddy's, maybe".^^ He believed
>>what he'd been told.
>>>
>>> And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
>>> end of last issue.
>>
>>Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
>>How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
>>apparent cause of death, by now?
>>>
>
>I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
>speed would certainly indicate that he's not
>Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
>off by the discovery. Curious.
GUYS! C'mon. look at the last panel of page 14. Right after Boomer
reveals GG is not the mother. They look EXACTLY alike. Meltzer has
told Morales to intentionally draw them as similar looking. Now aside
from a DNA test, they are father and son.
Ronsord
> >Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
> >How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
> >apparent cause of death, by now?
He's practicing for Thanksgiving.
> I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
> speed would certainly indicate that he's not
> Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
> off by the discovery. Curious.
I think he was very put-off by the discovery. That, and an apparent shot of
Miraclo, would explain his sudden desire to revive his reputation.
R. Tang
Another STOOPID (tm) moment, eh?
He's been averaging 2-3 per issue, hasn't he.....
--
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-Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
- Editor, Asian American Theatre Revue [NEW URL][Yes, it IS new]
- http://www.aatrevue.com
DESSCRIBE1
>How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
>apparent cause of death, by now?
>
Doing a google search on "autopsy," I found this:
http://health.howstuffworks.com/autopsy5.htm
"An average autopsy case takes about four hours. That's including all the
paperwork. There is about a half an hour before and after the autopsy for doing
the external examination, the dictation, the paperwork. The autopsy can take
anywhere from one hour to two hours if it's an uncomplicated case. If it's a
complicated case like a homicide ... it can take many hours -- 4 to 6 hours."
Of course, that's when you're dealing with medical examiners who aren't always
getting called away to fight super-villains.
Erich
"We've got to strengthen our knees! Strengthen our knees for comedy!"
Bjorn Carlsson
wrote:
>On 2004-10-20 18:32:17 -0400, Michael <jan...@charter.net> said:
>>
>> IIRC, it was said that the Fantabulous Multi-World Technological
>> Security System (tm and pat. pend.) was available to any hero that
>> requested it.
>
>Specifically, "After Batgirl got shot a few years ago." You know,
>Batgirl, a close friend of Batman's. Too bad Tim Drake doesn't have
>that kind of connection. :-)
Yes i can see the scene now
Jack: Er.. Tim, where did we get this extremely sofisticated security
system
Tim: Oh it's just a little something i picked up at radio shack, can't
be too safe these days what with that rash of milk thefts going on.
Jack: Too right son, it's a good thing you're being responsible
Tim: Yes, and i'm not a costumed superhero either
Jack&Tim: Ha ha ha ha.
/Bjorn
"Understand a man's shorts and you understand the man"
-Michael J. Nelson (My Shorts are Silent No More)
Michael Pastor
>>> Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all,
>>> Boomerang was treating this junior as his own son so he most have
>>> believe him to be such.
>>>
>> What's the old saying: "Mommy's baby, Daddy's, maybe".^^ He believed
>> what he'd been told.
>>>
>>> And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
>>> end of last issue.
>>
>> Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
>> How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told
>> the apparent cause of death, by now?
>>>
>
> I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
> speed would certainly indicate that he's not
> Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
> off by the discovery. Curious.
>
Haven't seen the issue yet, but if he's revealed to have super-speed, and
Golden Glider is the mother, then it must follow that Barry Allen consumated
the relationship with GG at some point. And that's the secret in the letter
to Wally.
michael j pastor
Tom Galloway
Yeah, but it doesn't gel with his classic comment back in JLA #66, pre-Adams
and O'Neil makeover; "Only a desperate situation like this would make me
use an atomic warhead arrow".
Which he then fires. At a target about 15 feet away. Fortunately, brought
to pseudo-life Starro replicas can eat atomic explosions.
tyg t...@Panix.com
Bennet
> >> Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
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> > More that he's a master of calculating riccochet vectors in his head.
>
> Which, while always a neat visual, never made much sense to me.
>
> That is, he seemed to have the ability to calibrate the force of his
> optic blasts along a spectrum ranging from "push the cueball" to "punch
> through steel". But sometimes when he pulled his "compute spatial
> angles in my head" thing, he would bounce a blast off a wall that would
> then go on to---blast a hole through the same material on the other
> side of the room. Wha? :-)
Yeah, well, Superman used to shoot x-rays out of his eyes that would
pass through a foot of solid steel, bounce off a piece of newspaper,
come back through the wall of solid steel, and return to his eyes,
allwing him to read the newspaper. So there's precedent.
These days we just say "subconscious clairvoyance" and have done with
it, of course.
As ever,
Bennet
Brian Doyle
> On 2004-10-20 19:28:17 -0400, "Brian Doyle" <No_...@freeserve.co.uk>
> said:
>
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:36:49 -0700, Michael <jan...@charter.net>
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>>>> He's Deadshot. If Scott Summers can pull shit like that then so can
>>>> Deadshot.
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>>> Scott shot hisself in the neck?
>>
>> More that he's a master of calculating riccochet vectors in his head.
>
> Which, while always a neat visual, never made much sense to me.
>
> That is, he seemed to have the ability to calibrate the force of his
> optic blasts along a spectrum ranging from "push the cueball" to
> "punch through steel". But sometimes when he pulled his "compute
> spatial
> angles in my head" thing, he would bounce a blast off a wall that
> would then go on to---blast a hole through the same material on the
> other
> side of the room. Wha? :-)
His power builds up strength as it goes, so it's more powerful at 100 feet
than it is at 50? Oh wait, that's Iron Man's repulsors...
> I think there'd be too many variables invovled to account
> for--especially with so much on the line. It's not like it was his
> only way out of the situation.
The guy is seriously psychologically screwed up, logic or self preservation
need not always apply.
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> My guess is, that if the guy has superspeed powers, his Daddy is the old
> Flash Rogue known as the Top, now deceased; He's the only man Glider ever
> cared for, the only one she would concievably have a child with, and IIRC he
> did have super speed powers (Though his only worked when he was spinning)
The revelation that the kid has speed powers prompts ol' Cap to say
that the Golden Glider isn't the kid's mother, *not* that Cap isn't
his father. I keep trying to come up with a speedy female character
who be old enough, but I keep drawing a blank. (Of course, now that
it's been "twenty years" since the Elngated Man and Flash started
their careers, I suppose anything's possible. Lady Flash?)
As ever,
Bennet
Tom Galloway
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>> >> Glider ever cared for, the only one she would concievably have a
>> >> child with, and IIRC he did have super speed powers (Though his only
>> >> worked when he was spinning)
>> I don't think the Top is as deceased as he once was.
>> Hasn't he been seen acting creepy in the most
>> recent issue or two of The Flash?
>Waid brought him back, I believe, in a 2-or-3-part arc, entitled
>Presidential Race, a few years ago. He's been revamped by Geoff Johns
>and is REAL creepy these days, yeah.
Nope, the Top "returned" long before that. He goes clear back to the Cary
Bates writing Flash era, when his ghost possessed a temporarily dead
(in the sense of "his heart stopped beating for a few seconds") Henry Allen,
Barry's father. Barry eventually drove Roscoe's spirit out, with his
father's returning.
Next up, I believe, was Karl and Barbara Kesel bringing him back in
Hawk & Dove, where he possessed a Vice-Presidential candidate (I think he
may have escaped from Hell in the H&D Annual [the one without Monarch]).
Led to a favorite quote of mine when Hawk ended up fighting Uncle Sam over
Hawk attacking the candidate;
Hawk: "DAMN the Constitution!" Uncle Sam: "Son, them's fightin' words!" (and
for Uncle Sam, darn right they are).
This was a loose end left when H&D were cancelled, and I believe Waid took
it from there several years later in Flash.
George Alexander Jr.
the gun.
Johanna Draper Carlson
> As to how long the autopsy's taking -- The first
> caption in the story says "Sue Dibny died last week,"
> so it's taking a while.
Well, come on, the doctor's blind! Cut him some slack! :)
Dwight Williams
Karl and Barbara Kesel set that up in _Hawk & Dove_ just before
_Armageddon 2001_, if memory serves. Mark took that dangling subplot and
ran with it.
--
Dwight Williams, Storyteller
http://web.ncf.ca/ad696/
Matt Shepherd
> Brian Doyle wrote:
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> >>>He's Deadshot. If Scott Summers can pull shit like that then so can
> >>>Deadshot.
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> >>Scott shot hisself in the neck?
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> > More that he's a master of calculating riccochet vectors in his head.
>
> shot could go through his neck with little damage.
It's pretty much a no-brainer that Deadshot has an encyclopedic knowledge of
where to shoot people to cause the MOST damage, so I don't have a problem
with him applying that knowledge backwards, as it were.
- Matt
http://www.man-man.org
Theron Mann
> Lilith wrote:
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> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:26:06 -0500, "Magnus, Robot Fighter."
> > <M...@Key.com> wrote:
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> >>On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:36:49 -0700, Michael <jan...@charter.net>
> >>wrote:
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> Doesn't this issue show him as a being of energy held together by a
> sweet 70s costume?
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> >>Obviously Green Arrow is not a physicist either. You puncture a
> >>nulclear reactor a number of things could happen....a nuclear
> >>explosion is not one of them.
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> > Shrug.
>
> Is Captain Atom a "Nuclear Reactor"? If so, doesn't piercing his
> skin/costume cause a big boom?
The "ball of energy hero" explodes deal is pretty common. In one of
my favorite examples, Starman was fighting some random villain.
(Deathstroke? Deadline? Whoever he was, he could phase and had
flying disks)
In an effort to stop Starman's nuclear powers, the Death-whatever
stabbed Starman with a cadmium knife, resulting in a big blast of
energy and Starman shouting "You fool! Don't you know that cadmium
slows FISSION reactions, and I'm powered by FUSION!" To this day, I
wish Dead-whatzawhozits had yelled back: "No, of course I didn't know
that a guy in a suit was a fusion reaction, you dumb !#@*! Do you
think I can take 'Comic Book Physics' at the local community college
and figure out your stupid, poorly-thought-out, and inconsistent
powers and backstory? And who gets turned into a 'fusion reaction'
after being hit with a mysterious ray anyway?"
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I'll just start by saying that unlike some people, I think it's totally in
character for Kyle to be stupid and for Deadshot to take advantage of that
fact. After all, that's Kyle's sole character trait as far as I can tell.
> - Has there ever been any questions or comments about what would happen if
> Firestorm's body got pierced?
He's been sliced up pretty badly in the past, when fighting the Hyena. And,
of course, all he did then was bleed. But then, the writers of his fights
against the Hyena weren't trying to use pointless shock and awe tactics to
show how "serious" those particular adventures were. Let's face it, this was
a pointless death that doesn't even have any direct connection to the main
plot. It wasn't the main bad guy killing Firestorm, it was just some random
villain (the Shadow Thief of all people) the heroes encountered who killed
him. You'd think if Firestorm was that easy to kill, he'd've been killed
before now.
And now the Shining Knight's lost half of what makes him special (or
one-third, if you count his horse). (Although, one could easily retcon
something in, saying that Justin couldn't find his magic sword when the call
came out, so he just picked up some other sword... although that loses the
"special sword" description it was given in the Firestorm comic.)
"Brian Doyle" <No_...@freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cl6saa$9b2$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Yes, but Robin is a VERY weird choice, he's a much loved character amongst
> fans and his comrades, but he hasn't got the highest profile even amongst
> the heroic set. I'm not sure he's even MET most of the Justice League....
And isn't he an urban legend anyway?
-Sean MacDonald
Lilith
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>Brian Doyle wrote:
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>>>>and that confused things, also possibly with his structure
>>>>destabilised he wasn't able to fix himself.
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>>>If Firestorm didn't blow up right away, why? Did the reaction need
>>>time to get going? Was Ronnie holding it back himself? If the
>>>latter, why couldn't he keep doing that until he depowered, fixed his
>>>suit, or got some super-strong metal grafted to his front?
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>>>Should someone note that this is the second hero to get sishkebobbed?
>>>
>>>Why kill Tim's dad? Isn't the idea of this mini-series that someone
>>>(or several someones) is attacking heroes through their families?
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>> Yes, but Robin is a VERY weird choice, he's a much loved character amongst
>> fans and his comrades, but he hasn't got the highest profile even amongst
>> the heroic set. I'm not sure he's even MET most of the Justice League....
>
>IMHO, we'll have to wait for the explanations of who did it and why to
>judge if Robin was a believably reasonable target.
And who's to say that the intent of the killer(s) is vengance on the
JLA? Though the series started with them it might not intentionally
be a JLA comic but rather a DCU comic with the JLA featured
prominently. Does the title say JLA: Identity Crisis?
If that makes any sense.
>Could be a way to get to Batman in a very roundabout way.
>Michael
Lilith
Lilith
<hel...@tampabayBABYJESUSHATESSPAM.rr.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:43:11 -0400, George <geel...@netscape.net>
>wrote:
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>>On 2004-10-20 19:28:17 -0400, "Brian Doyle" <No_...@freeserve.co.uk> said:
>>
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:36:49 -0700, Michael <jan...@charter.net>
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>>>>> Deadshot.
>>>>
>>>> Scott shot hisself in the neck?
>>>
>>> More that he's a master of calculating riccochet vectors in his head.
>>
>>Which, while always a neat visual, never made much sense to me.
>>
>>That is, he seemed to have the ability to calibrate the force of his
>>optic blasts along a spectrum ranging from "push the cueball" to "punch
>>through steel". But sometimes when he pulled his "compute spatial
>>angles in my head" thing, he would bounce a blast off a wall that would
>>then go on to---blast a hole through the same material on the other
>>side of the room. Wha? :-)
>>
>>Deadshot doing something similar with a bullet? Hmm. Maybe. Stretches
>>his abilites into the super-human, if you ask me, which doesn't suit
>>the character. But Marvel's done that with Bullsye for years, so fair's
>>fair. I think there'd be too many variables invovled to account
>>for--especially with so much on the line. It's not like it was his only
>>way out of the situation.
>
>Now that I think of it...if he's going to wound himself to shock Kyle
>into dropping the field, why not just shoot himself directly and not
>risk the chance of miscalculating the shot and killing himself?
Because he wanted Kyle to think of himself as responsible for the
"accident" and drop his guard out of guilt. The problem with figuring
the angle of attack is that Kyle's shield was probably in motion, as
Kyle would be moving around, however slight. Even with the small
distances involved a slight change in the position of the shield would
have resulted in a large variance in the bullet's position once it
reached Deadshot.
>Geez...I've only read three pages, and find it moronic already.
Lilith
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Doug
Shawn H
: On 2004-10-20 21:19:25 -0400, "Magnus, Robot Fighter." <M...@Key.com> said:
: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:36:47 -0400, George <geel...@netscape.net>
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: >> On 2004-10-20 18:32:17 -0400, Michael <jan...@charter.net> said:
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: >>> Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
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: >> It's also consistent with the series' general approach of trashing the
: >> very concepts/characters it's using for nostalgic purposes and purports
: >> to love. Perhaps this is the ultimate geek revenge? Trash all the
: >> comics that made you a geek back when you were reading them? :-)
: >
: > If he read Firestorm, then he was a geek.
: If he read *any* mainstream superhero comics in the 1970s, he was a
: geek. We all were.
: Having said that: the first two years or so of the Conway/Broderick
: FURY OF FIRESTORM were pretty good comics for their time and context,
: and you can see many of the more "realistic" elements that we take for
: granted today emerging in them.
I REALLY enjoyed that series in exactly the geeky way you describe. It
had a cool concept, it pitted and old guy against a young guy in his mind
(kinda like Mar-Vell/Rick Jones, but not so cosmic) and it was easy to
get on board from the beginning.
: I think the "revenge" would be far more subconscious than that. And
: he's hardly the only currently hot superhero comics writer who talks a
: lot about his great love for the characters in his youth while writing
: stories that suggest some other kinds of emotions toward them. It's a
: trend, it seems.
Bendis, Ennis, who else? I'd almost say Ellis, but I think he does still
have fun with many of his heros and heroines, even if it is ultra-brutal.
I mean, he can do whatever he wants with the Four, because they're so NOT
the FF, after all, they just refer to them.
Shawn
Shawn H
: On 2004-10-20 18:32:17 -0400, Michael <jan...@charter.net> said:
: > Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
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: >> he's Vibe....(who also got a better send-off) they summarily dispatch
: >> him in two pages??? Shit...Tim's frigging dad gets a much better
: >> treatment. So does Boomerang for that matter.
: >
: > True. Maybe it's because Ronnie's successor has been running around
: > for awhile now?
: It's also consistent with the series' general approach of trashing the
: very concepts/characters it's using for nostalgic purposes and purports
: to love. Perhaps this is the ultimate geek revenge? Trash all the
: comics that made you a geek back when you were reading them? :-)
And then what are you left with? All the comics that don't make you a
geek now, because you "get it" and are ironic?
In a way, IC seems like the eighties all over again. Does DC-super really
deserve to be Vertigo-ized? I was so hopeful that the Warren Ellis
parodies in Planetary put the nail in that coffin.
Shawn
Theodore Jay Miller
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:16 GMT, "Ronsord" <gSPAMN...@woh.rr.com>
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> Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all, Boomerang
> was treating this junior as his own son so he most have believe him to
> be such.
He is Boomerang's son; Barry Allen's deep secret is that he's
Junior's MOTHER.
Remember all those old goofy transformations that used to happen
to the Flash, turning two-dimensional and into puppets and things?
The Identity Crisis version of that will be that Barry Allen was
once temporarily turned into a woman. During that time he had a
a brief affair with, or was raped by, Captain Boomerang, had a
super-speed pregnancy, and gave birth to Junior, who we've seen
inherited Barry's powers.
See how it all falls into place?
Sean Walsh
Sorry. I just threw up in my mouth.
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Sean
GG
> Lilith wrote:
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That's what made him blow up in Kingdom Come.
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Michael
> In article <10ndj31...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Michael <jan...@charter.net> wrote:
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>>systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other instances?
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> Btw, where's Tim's stepmom been during all this? She's not appeared at all,
> and unless they plan on changing this in a future Robin issue that's set
> pre-IC, she doesn't know about the double id.
I didn't even know he HAD a stepmom. Maybe she's suffered the same fate
as Jean Loring's husband? At least in that case a relationship was
mentioned, even if it's obvious that it wasn't a marriage.
> Um, Jack knows Bruce is Batman. Use the freakin' Batcave as a safe house for
> him. Use the JLA Watchtower. Use Titans Tower. Use the JSA brownstone.
> If Tim feels compelled to stretch his legs, have some other hero come in
> and go on monitor, er, guard duty for a while.
I've been wondering why that hasn't been done. Maybe the heroes don't
want spouses, significant others, and so on, to get to know each other?
Michael
Michael
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>>>>Okay, questions and comments:
>>>
>>>>- So Captain Boomerang Jr.'s mom isn't the Silver Swan. Dare I ask
>>>>who it is?
>>>
>>>My guess is, that if the guy has superspeed powers, his Daddy is the old
>>>Flash Rogue known as the Top, now deceased; He's the only man Glider ever
>>>cared for, the only one she would concievably have a child with, and IIRC he
>>>did have super speed powers (Though his only worked when he was spinning)
>>
>>There's a darker possibility at work, given the writer, and given
>>recent hints about Barry's deep dark secret.
>>
>>Let's remember that Iris' "murder" has been mentioned more than once in
>>this series. Let's also remember that, at the time of her "murder," she
>>and Barry had reconciled and were planning on starting a family. Let's
>>also remember that Prof. Zoom "killed" Iris, after months and months of
>>brainwashing. And let's remember that super-speed powers seem to be
>>inheritable along the Thwane/Allen family genes.
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>>There'd be all sorts of character and continuity distortions necessary
>>to pull things off along these lines but, hey, it's IDENTITY CRISIS.
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> I don't get it...for the father to be Boomer, the mother would have to
> be the speedster. Iris being the mother doesn't mean anything.
I think Magnus was theorizing that Zoom and Iris had a kid who was
somehow linked to Boomerbutt.
Which has it's own problems since wasn't that supposed to have happened
10 years or less ago?
> http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/ladies.html
>
> here's a list of speedsters....doesn't give me any ideas that arn't
> terribly convulated like Dawn Allen went back in time to see what
> happened to her father and Boomer caught her, raped her and she got
> away at some point.
>
> I guess the best bet would be one of the Trinity chicks, but that
> involves some real world aging.
I see another nonsensical plot developement coming up soon.
Michael
Michael
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:43:11 -0400, George <geel...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
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>>On 2004-10-20 19:28:17 -0400, "Brian Doyle" <No_...@freeserve.co.uk> said:
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>>>>>Deadshot.
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>>>>Scott shot hisself in the neck?
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>>>More that he's a master of calculating riccochet vectors in his head.
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>>Which, while always a neat visual, never made much sense to me.
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>>That is, he seemed to have the ability to calibrate the force of his
>>optic blasts along a spectrum ranging from "push the cueball" to "punch
>>through steel". But sometimes when he pulled his "compute spatial
>>angles in my head" thing, he would bounce a blast off a wall that would
>>then go on to---blast a hole through the same material on the other
>>side of the room. Wha? :-)
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>>Deadshot doing something similar with a bullet? Hmm. Maybe. Stretches
>>his abilites into the super-human, if you ask me, which doesn't suit
>>the character. But Marvel's done that with Bullsye for years, so fair's
>>fair. I think there'd be too many variables invovled to account
>>for--especially with so much on the line. It's not like it was his only
>>way out of the situation.
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> Now that I think of it...if he's going to wound himself to shock Kyle
> into dropping the field, why not just shoot himself directly and not
> risk the chance of miscalculating the shot and killing himself?
Or go through the head?
Michael
Michael
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:38:54 -0700, Michael <jan...@charter.net>
> wrote:
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>>Jeremy Henderson wrote:
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>>><No_...@freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>>>- Deadshot shot Kyle in the face a ran off (then into Superman) after
>>>>>shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that
>>>>>he aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least
>>>>> damage? If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or
>>>>>something?
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>>>>Deadshot would always take a thousand to one shot because he knows he's good
>>>>enough to make the thousand to one shot. And he has a deathwish, a bad
>>>>combination in trying to second guess him.
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>>>Plus I believe his eyepiece feeds him all kinds of targeting info, so
>>>him being able to pull off a shot that wings him in the neck I don't
>>>find all that unusual.
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> Very true, though that could just be a miscommunication between writer
> and artist. But the more I think about it, the more stupid the whole
> scene seems. If Deadshot had wanted to shock Kyle into dropping the
> shield, he could have shot himself directly instead of doing a trick
> shot that stood a good chance of going wrong and killing him.
Maybe Deadshot guessed that Kyle would feel guiltier if he was hurt via
a riccochet that just shooting himself?
> Also, didn't Kyle just get all the fingers of his hand broken a couple
> days ago?
Ah, the speed healing of bad writing!
Michael
Michael
> Michael <jan...@charter.net> wrote in message news:<10ndqap...@corp.supernews.com>...
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>>>>it is?
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>>My mistake.
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>>>I've been trying to think of a lady speedster old
>>>enough to be Jr's mom, but I've yet to think of one. What I'm wondering is:
>>>is he really Boomerang's son? Or is this Barry Allen's deep dark secret?
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>>Hmm. Another untold story of a rape, this time producing a child, in
>>the next issue or two?
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>>>Actually, I interpreted the whole sequence to mean Boomerang is NOT Sue
>>>Dibny's killer.
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>>>Someone sent Jack Drake a gun and a warning, knowing Boomerang was about to
>>>show up.
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>>>I suspect someone leaked Tim Drake's identity to Boomerang, convincing him
>>>to make the kill to restore his floundering reputation. However, the real
>>>plan was to have Boomerang killed during the murder attempt so the blame for
>>>Sue's death would fall on him.
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> Exactly. Except that the evidence of the box would still be
> there...Isn't anyone dusting all this evidence (rope, etc) for
> fingerprints?!^^
Hasn't been mentioned, but with the villain getting through all that
security maybe Meltzer assumes that the read'll know that they did it
and there are none>
>>>Besides, killing the murderer in the middle of a mystery really makes for a
>>>slow conclusion.
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>>Another thing I though about: Isn't it rather jarring to go from
>>Boomerbutt having quality time with the young'un to leaving him a
>>message about what he's gonna do (which sounds like he told Boomerbutt
>>Jr. about it earlier) with nothing provided as to a reason why?
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> He gave a reason why: a big score to make him big again. Question is,
> what did he think he was going to find in the house? Assume nothing.
> He wasn't necessarily there to kill anyone...
So you're theorizing that the whole thing was coincidental, with the
villain(s) setting up Robin Sr., while Boomerbutt, on his own, just
happened to go to the Drake house?
Michael
Michael
> On 21 Oct 2004 02:59:38 GMT, cbol...@aol.comUNSPAM (CBoldman) wrote:
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>>>>Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all, Boomerang
>>>>was treating this junior as his own son so he most have believe him to
>>>>be such.
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>>>What's the old saying: "Mommy's baby, Daddy's, maybe".^^ He believed
>>>what he'd been told.
>>>
>>>>And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
>>>>end of last issue.
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>>>Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
>>>How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
>>>apparent cause of death, by now?
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>>I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
>>speed would certainly indicate that he's not
>>Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
>>off by the discovery. Curious.
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> GUYS! C'mon. look at the last panel of page 14. Right after Boomer
> reveals GG is not the mother. They look EXACTLY alike. Meltzer has
> told Morales to intentionally draw them as similar looking. Now aside
> from a DNA test, they are father and son.
And the dialog specifically focused on "who the momma?!".
Michael
Tim Turnip
I don't get that last comment. What was "Vertigo-ized" in the
eighties? Even if you meant the Mature Readers direction taken with
some titles in the late '80s (as Vertigo itself began in 1993), that's
only limited to a few fringier titles like Green Arrow and the
Question. And what was so bad about that?
Michael
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:36:47 -0400, George <geel...@netscape.net>
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>>On 2004-10-20 18:32:17 -0400, Michael <jan...@charter.net> said:
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>>>IIRC, it was said that the Fantabulous Multi-World Technological
>>>Security System (tm and pat. pend.) was available to any hero that
>>>requested it.
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>>Specifically, "After Batgirl got shot a few years ago." You know,
>>Batgirl, a close friend of Batman's. Too bad Tim Drake doesn't have
>>that kind of connection. :-)
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> Yes i can see the scene now
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> Jack: Er.. Tim, where did we get this extremely sofisticated security
> system
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> Tim: Oh it's just a little something i picked up at radio shack, can't
> be too safe these days what with that rash of milk thefts going on.
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> Jack: Too right son, it's a good thing you're being responsible
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> Tim: Yes, and i'm not a costumed superhero either
>
> Jack&Tim: Ha ha ha ha.
If the timeline is going, as some have suggested, that IC#1 was saying
that this was a week after Tim was back as Robin, there'd be a two month
stretch where they could do it.
Michael
Lilith
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> of course, all he did then was bleed. But then, the writers of his fights
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> villain (the Shadow Thief of all people) the heroes encountered who killed
> him. You'd think if Firestorm was that easy to kill, he'd've been killed
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> one-third, if you count his horse). (Although, one could easily retcon
> something in, saying that Justin couldn't find his magic sword when the call
> came out, so he just picked up some other sword... although that loses the
> "special sword" description it was given in the Firestorm comic.)
Perhaps they were referring to how Sir Justin Specially Chose THAT sword
when he couldn't find the real one?
;)
Michael
CBoldman
>
>GUYS! C'mon. look at the last panel of page 14. Right after Boomer
>reveals GG is not the mother. They look EXACTLY alike. Meltzer has
>told Morales to intentionally draw them as similar looking. Now aside
>from a DNA test, they are father and son.
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pretty generic character face to me. There's enough
of a resemblance to Boomerang, but I don't see it as
100% conclusive.
I'm working under the assumption that if the kid is
showing speed powers, either he got struck by a
lightning bolt, or one of his parents is a speedster.
Boomerang's not one, so either the mother is a
speedster, or Boomerang's not the father. Since this
is being played like a mystery, I'm figuring that all
the players are on the board by now. I could be
wrong about that, but I think it would be unfair to
answer a mystery by pulling in the solution from out
of left field in issue 6 or 7 out of a seven-issue
series. So, I'm figuring that the kid's mysterious
parent has been in, or has at least been discussed in,
the story by now. Are there any female speedsters i
in the story that could fit the bill?
By the way, Golden Glider didn't have super-speed
powers, did she? I thought she just had fancy skates.
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Brian Doyle
> Tom Galloway wrote:
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>>> instances?
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>> Btw, where's Tim's stepmom been during all this? She's not appeared
>> at all, and unless they plan on changing this in a future Robin
>> issue that's set pre-IC, she doesn't know about the double id.
>
> I didn't even know he HAD a stepmom. Maybe she's suffered the same
> fate as Jean Loring's husband? At least in that case a relationship
> was mentioned, even if it's obvious that it wasn't a marriage.
Nope, Dana is a very active part of Tim's life. She was Jack's physical
therapist after his accident and married him a few years ago now. She
allowed Jack that rare thing, someone in the Batverse finding love a second
time, with a nice, ordinary person, and Tim heartily approving of his Dad's
choice.
> I've been wondering why that hasn't been done. Maybe the heroes don't
> want spouses, significant others, and so on, to get to know each
> other?
The Silver Age event dealt with just that situation, with all the JLA's
loved one's being relocated to a safehouse somewhere VERY remote (Gorilla
City?) Secret ID's were seen as being secondary to keeping their loved ones
alive, which is what I would HOPE superheroes would think of ("I can either
risk Lois/Jimmy/Alfred/Steve/Iris/Jean/Carol etc finding out out my ID, or
risk them being horribly and brutally murdered... Hmmm..... decisions,
decisions...."
Brian Doyle
> Michael <jan...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:<10ndpvb...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> Lilith wrote:
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>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:26:06 -0500, "Magnus, Robot Fighter."
>>> <M...@Key.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:36:49 -0700, Michael <jan...@charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
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>>
>> Doesn't this issue show him as a being of energy held together by a
>> sweet 70s costume?
>>
>>>> Obviously Green Arrow is not a physicist either. You puncture a
>>>> nulclear reactor a number of things could happen....a nuclear
>>>> explosion is not one of them.
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>>> Shrug.
>>
>> Is Captain Atom a "Nuclear Reactor"? If so, doesn't piercing his
>> skin/costume cause a big boom?
>
> The "ball of energy hero" explodes deal is pretty common. In one of
> my favorite examples, Starman was fighting some random villain.
> (Deathstroke? Deadline? Whoever he was, he could phase and had
> flying disks)
That's Deadline.
> In an effort to stop Starman's nuclear powers, the Death-whatever
> stabbed Starman with a cadmium knife, resulting in a big blast of
> energy and Starman shouting "You fool! Don't you know that cadmium
> slows FISSION reactions, and I'm powered by FUSION!" To this day, I
> wish Dead-whatzawhozits had yelled back: "No, of course I didn't know
> that a guy in a suit was a fusion reaction, you dumb !#@*! Do you
> think I can take 'Comic Book Physics' at the local community college
> and figure out your stupid, poorly-thought-out, and inconsistent
> powers and backstory?
Oi! NO ONE disses Wil Payton on my watch, well, not his early issues at any
rate! :) At that point Starman's powers were pretty clear; Ordinary guy,
hit by satellite energy beam (Subsequently discovered to be intended to
trigger specific mutagenic reactions in targets). He was rendered into
non-human matter/energy mass who happened to have the memories and
personality of Will Payton.
It was only when the Eclipso crap hit the Starfan, and to a lesser extent
when we found out about Gavyn's rather peculiar involvment in the situation,
that things went insane.
And to get back to the subject, one has to wonder about someone who would
even think of _making_ a knife blade out of cadmium, just on the off
chance... :)
Bjorn Carlsson
wrote:
I'd still doubt that they'd do it during the two months or so when he
was officially out of the game, since a big sofisticated security
system would probably just attract attention.
In the week or so after that? Too little time, and as another poster
pointed out, i don't think his stepmom knows yet.
/Bjorn
"Understand a man's shorts and you understand the man"
-Michael J. Nelson (My Shorts are Silent No More)
Alergic Alchemist
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> shooting himself through the neck?! Or am I supposed to believe that he
> aimed the riccocheted bullet JUST RIGHT so as to cause the least damage?
> If so, how'd he know where that is? He study anatomy or something?
>
there was a 4-issue Deadshot mini series back in the early days of Suicide
Squad which
a) was a damn good read, although the art took some getting used to,
b) went fairly deep into just how screwed up he is (and why), and
c) ended with him doing a fairly accurate bit of maiming - not the sort of
shot even a master marksman pulls off without a really, really good
knowledge of human anatomy.
That's just one shot that comes to mind - there were others, mostly from his
Suicide Squad days, that lead me to believe that he probably knows as much
about the human body as any good doctor. Not that I'd want him operating on
me, or even prescribing asprin.
So, shooting himself through the neck and surviving, while one of the top
ten dumbest things he's ever done, is probably not beyond him.
I just hope they don't use this to turn him into 'the silent assassin' or
something equally stupid.
Shawn H
: >And then what are you left with? All the comics that don't make you a
: >geek now, because you "get it" and are ironic?
: >
: >In a way, IC seems like the eighties all over again. Does DC-super really
: >deserve to be Vertigo-ized?
: I don't get that last comment. What was "Vertigo-ized" in the
: eighties? Even if you meant the Mature Readers direction taken with
: some titles in the late '80s (as Vertigo itself began in 1993), that's
: only limited to a few fringier titles like Green Arrow and the
: Question. And what was so bad about that?
Vertigo may have officially began in 1993, but it wouldn't have existed
without Swamp Thing et al to give it inspiration and focus, which had
been going on for some years. The idea of giving every hero complex
motivations, feet of clay, and a trail of dead bodies in their wake
sprung from there, and now, through Metzler, seems ready to take over not
just the fringe characters but the mainstream of the DC-verse.
Shawn
Brian Doyle
> I'm working under the assumption that if the kid is
> showing speed powers, either he got struck by a
> lightning bolt, or one of his parents is a speedster.
Perhaps Barry's secret is that Boomerang Jnr was the FIRST kid he stood in
front of a display of chemicals in his malevolently amoral attempt to see if
other people could be infused with speed* .... Wally just got lucky is all,
and it was Barry's 17th try!
* "We're going to need another Timmy!" as they used to say on "Dinosaurs"
> By the way, Golden Glider didn't have super-speed
> powers, did she? I thought she just had fancy skates.
She had no powers at all, she had the pair of "ice slide in the air"
generating skates her brother Len had created for her, and her gimmicked
jewel weapons...
Michael
> "Michael" <jan...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:10ndpvb...@corp.supernews.com...
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>>Lilith wrote:
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>>><M...@Key.com> wrote:
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My mistake. I meant Firestorm.
Michael
Michael
>>
>>GUYS! C'mon. look at the last panel of page 14. Right after Boomer
>>reveals GG is not the mother. They look EXACTLY alike. Meltzer has
>>told Morales to intentionally draw them as similar looking. Now aside
>
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> I'll take your word for it, though the kid looks like a
> pretty generic character face to me. There's enough
> of a resemblance to Boomerang, but I don't see it as
> 100% conclusive.
> I'm working under the assumption that if the kid is
> showing speed powers, either he got struck by a
> lightning bolt, or one of his parents is a speedster.
Could Mom be the daughter of a speedster?
> Boomerang's not one, so either the mother is a
> speedster, or Boomerang's not the father. Since this
> is being played like a mystery, I'm figuring that all
> the players are on the board by now. I could be
> wrong about that, but I think it would be unfair to
> answer a mystery by pulling in the solution from out
> of left field in issue 6 or 7 out of a seven-issue
> series.
I'm still trying to figure out the already-seemingly-dropped question
"who benefits?".
Michael
Michael
> Michael wrote:
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>>Tom Galloway wrote:
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>>>Michael <jan...@charter.net> wrote:
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>>>>security systems? And how would 'butt get though it in the other
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>>>Btw, where's Tim's stepmom been during all this? She's not appeared
>>>at all, and unless they plan on changing this in a future Robin
>>>issue that's set pre-IC, she doesn't know about the double id.
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>>I didn't even know he HAD a stepmom. Maybe she's suffered the same
>>fate as Jean Loring's husband? At least in that case a relationship
>>was mentioned, even if it's obvious that it wasn't a marriage.
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> Nope, Dana is a very active part of Tim's life. She was Jack's physical
> therapist after his accident and married him a few years ago now. She
> allowed Jack that rare thing, someone in the Batverse finding love a second
> time, with a nice, ordinary person, and Tim heartily approving of his Dad's
> choice.
All I can say is that Jean was said by others here to have been shown to
be married, and now that relationship seems to have dissolved in a way
that I read as girlfriend/boyfriend.
Here not only do we not see Mrs. Drake, I don't think she's even been
mentioned.
I'm wondering if the IC group knows that he's supposed to be married?
Michael
Michael
Have they said how long said security system takes to put in?
Just wondering.
Michael
Brian Doyle
> Could Mom be the daughter of a speedster?
Jesse Quick? Didn't her rep get enough of a kicking in that Titans story
where we find out she had moved in on her mother's date?
> I'm still trying to figure out the already-seemingly-dropped question
> "who benefits?".
DC Marketing?
Brian Doyle
Then that's entirely IC's fault as she's been prominent in Robin's title for
years, especially in the War Games arc.
> I'm wondering if the IC group knows that he's supposed to be married?
Can't imagine they don't.
grinningdemon
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>Brian Doyle wrote:
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>> Michael wrote:
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>>>Magnus, Robot Fighter. wrote:
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>That I can accept. But I still don't think Deadshot knows just where a
>shot could go through his neck with little damage.
>
>Michael
No...the thing that has always set deadshot apart and made him
dangerous is that he doesn't really care if he dies...he didn't know
the angle...he just took a chance and ran with it.
Michael
> Michael wrote:
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>>Could Mom be the daughter of a speedster?
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> Jesse Quick? Didn't her rep get enough of a kicking in that Titans story
> where we find out she had moved in on her mother's date?
I was thinking more along the lines of an unknown daughter of Max
Mercury or something like that.
>>I'm still trying to figure out the already-seemingly-dropped question
>>"who benefits?".
>
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> DC Marketing?
I guess.
Michael
Michael
They didn't know that Dad made Tim quit the role as Robin right after he
found out.
Michael
Brian Doyle
> Brian Doyle wrote:
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> They didn't know that Dad made Tim quit the role as Robin right after
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Except that Tim's Dad DID accept him in the role of Robin when Tim took the
mantle back during War Games. If depends exactly when in relation to current
events in Robin IC#1 is supposed to have happened, and since IC#5 happens a
week after IC#1 and Tim's Dad is still alive in his own title as of right
now, it seems reasonable to assume that IC#1 was set after Jack's acceptance
of Tim's role.
I'll happily slam Meltzer for some of the content of IC, but I'm not sure,
in retrospect
Bennet
Shoulda used a crossbow.
:-)
Bennet
Jeremy Henderson
<M...@Key.com> wrote:
>On 21 Oct 2004 02:59:38 GMT, cbol...@aol.comUNSPAM (CBoldman) wrote:
>
>>>> Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all, Boomerang
>>>> was treating this junior as his own son so he most have believe him to
>>>> be such.
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>>>What's the old saying: "Mommy's baby, Daddy's, maybe".^^ He believed
>>>what he'd been told.
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>>>> And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
>>>> end of last issue.
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>>>Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
>>>How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told the
>>>apparent cause of death, by now?
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>>I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
>>speed would certainly indicate that he's not
>>Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
>>off by the discovery. Curious.
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>GUYS! C'mon. look at the last panel of page 14. Right after Boomer
>reveals GG is not the mother. They look EXACTLY alike. Meltzer has
>told Morales to intentionally draw them as similar looking. Now aside
>from a DNA test, they are father and son.
Well, I don't know if that proves anything, since Morales draws
everyone with the same face (long nose, jutting chin...it's a perfect
face for Ralph, not so great for Superman or Green Arrow).
But the context of the story indicates that the kid thinks he's
Boomer's son (his anguished scream of "DAD!" as he listens to the
answering machine) and Boomer thinks he's his father (why try to
impress the kid by taking out Jack Drake if he's not?).
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Jeremy Henderson
wrote:
>Brian Doyle wrote:
>
>> Michael wrote:
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>>>Could Mom be the daughter of a speedster?
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>> Jesse Quick? Didn't her rep get enough of a kicking in that Titans story
>> where we find out she had moved in on her mother's date?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of an unknown daughter of Max
>Mercury or something like that.
Plus Jesse's only in her 20's right? She'd only be about 10 years
older than Boomerang Jr, wouldn't she? I don't think I could stand two
controversial stories involving fast aging kids at the same time...
lavar78
<michael...@hotmail.com> said:
> CBoldman wrote:
>>>> Although interesting, I doubt that would be it. After all,
>>>> Boomerang was treating this junior as his own son so he most have
>>>> believe him to be such.
>>>>
>>> What's the old saying: "Mommy's baby, Daddy's, maybe".^^ He believed
>>> what he'd been told.
>>>>
>>>> And still very little followthrough on the note that Lois got at the
>>>> end of last issue.
>>>
>>> Or the autopsy. How long has it been since the first issue, anyway?
>>> How long does an autopsy usually take? Shouldn't we have been told
>>> the apparent cause of death, by now?
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>> I'd think that the revelation that the kid has super-
>> speed would certainly indicate that he's not
>> Boomerang's son. Yet Boomerang doesn't seem put
>> off by the discovery. Curious.
>>
>
> Haven't seen the issue yet, but if he's revealed to have super-speed, and
> Golden Glider is the mother, then it must follow that Barry Allen consumated
> the relationship with GG at some point. And that's the secret in the letter
> to Wally.
Dear Wally,
About Golden Glider... I shagged her. I shagged her rotten, baby.
Love,
Barry
P.S. The premature ejaculation never goes away. Sometimes super speed sucks.
--
lavar78
"The eyes are the window to the skull, my friend." -- Bill McNeal, NewsRadio
lavar78
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:43:52 +0100, "Brian Doyle"
> <No_...@freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Grodd than Digger Harkness.
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> Too late! It's in my brain! AAAGGH!
Could you blame her? At least Grodd is smart!