Looking forward to new crossovers?(spoilers for 52)
JLB
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THe crossovers between universes. It would especially be interesting
if people don't realize it at first. Picture Batman heading over to
Earth-2 and finding Huntress working out of the Batcave. I don't know
much about the pre-crisis character, but I don't think her parents
expected her to be a superhero.
Imagine the conversation, with both of them assuming he's a time
traveler, he thinking he's in his future, her thinking he's from her
past.
"Things must be going horrobly in Gotham for you to have the Cave."
"Gee, Dad, I knew you weren't expecting me to become a superhero but
you don't have to be so hostile about it."
JLB
Anlatt the Builder
I don't think I'd really trust DC's writers and editors to play with
52 worlds until they could show us that they could play with one world
and not break it.
Ken from Chicago
"Anlatt the Builder" <tir...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think I'd really trust DC's writers and editors to play with
> 52 worlds until they could show us that they could play with one world
> and not break it.
>
"Aaawww, but I wanna play with ALL 52 new toys. They shiny!"
-- Ken from Chicago
grinningdemon
Her parents never knew she became Huntress...hell, her mother's death
is what got her to become the Huntress in the first place...there was,
however, an excellent story in Brave and the Bold near the end of the
original series where the younger Earth 1 Batman met the Earth 2
Huntress...she ended up preventing him from giving up being Batman (as
her father had done)...I would really like to see that one collected
somewhere.
Dan McEwen
When Hypertime was in place, they had their "excuse". One Hypertimeline
would connect temporarily with the main world and then wander away.
Presto! Instant recton, in "in continuity" at the same time. I suppose
DC will now say that a storyline temporarily focused in on one of the
other 51 universes so that it really wasn't a contradiction.
Dan McEwen
news:9ba1439jqjsp2ihg3...@4ax.com:
Does that mean Helena Wayne is back? I did come to accept Helena
Bertinelli as written by Morrison but I kmow virtually nothing else
about her. Or, what I have heard is that she is something of a psycho.
It would kind of be nice to see the original JSA and Infinity, Inc.
possibly existing off on their own world. That said, I'd never trade
away the current history of the JSA in the "main" DCU.
Mike Blake
>> Her parents never knew she became Huntress...hell, her
>> mother's death is what got her to become the Huntress
>> in the first place...there was, however, an excellent
>> story in Brave and the Bold near the end of the
>> original series where the younger Earth 1 Batman met
>> the Earth 2 Huntress...she ended up preventing him from
>> giving up being Batman (as her father had done)...I
>> would really like to see that one collected somewhere.
>
> Does that mean Helena Wayne is back? I did come to
> accept Helena Bertinelli as written by Morrison but I
> kmow virtually nothing else about her. Or, what I have
> heard is that she is something of a psycho. It would kind
> of be nice to see the original JSA and Infinity, Inc.
> possibly existing off on their own world. That said, I'd
> never trade away the current history of the JSA in the
> "main" DCU.
Demon:
Isn't that the Alan Brennert story I cited earlier? Let me
check. No, I was thinking of BRAVE AND THE BOLD #182 (Jan
1982), "Interlude on Earth-Two." But that features Earth 1
Batman and Earth-2 Robin & Batwoman.
But yes, I'd guess Helena Wane is definitely back. Look at
the glimpse we get of E2 in 52/52. It's the status quo of
Earth Two since just before COIE, in my opinion: Infinity
Inc,, the JSA, E2 adult Robin and Helena the Huntress, all
wondering what happened to their Superman and Power Girl.
Well, the first, as we know, is now dead and the latter is
on Earth 1/New Earth. That part of the E2 reintro made
immediate sense to me. I interpolate Huntress & Robin are
taking the Bat Family lead because their Bats died pre-Crisis.
Mysteries of the Earth 2 panel:
1. Why the GA Wonder Woman would be around, since like PG
and Supes she was bodily taken out of her world's continuity
and preserved from the COIE aftermath by the gods, as Alex
Luthor did Superman I, Lois I and Superboy Prime.
2. Why the GA Flash looks more like Starman with a Mercury
helmet (there seem to be star-specks on his costume).
Mysteries of Earth 10 (Freedom Fighters/Nazi Earth):
The FF look like they are fighting a Nazified JLA! Nazi
Superman, Flash & Green Lantern are visible, Wonder Woman
visible but Nazi status not as clear.
Earth 22 (Kingdom Come Earth):
I thought it was cute everybody on this Earth look like they
are painted rather than drawn. A subtle joke.
/Mike/
Bill Bickel
>>> [Earth-2 Huntress's] parents never knew she became Huntress...
Didn't Batman find out some months before his death?
--
Bill Bickel
http://www.comicsidontunderstand.com
http://www.crimepundit.com
grinningdemon
My basic understanding is that the main worlds from the old multiverse
are back (i.e. one earth with a JLA, one with a JSA, one with the
Shazam family, etc.) but the main DC earth is kind of an Earth-0 where
everyone coexists together (and where Helena Bertenelli is the
Huntress). Morrison did well with her character but, hands down, the
best writer for her has been Gail Simone in Birds of Prey, which has
been one of the best books DC puts out since she started writing
it...and it was pretty good before that. I suppose Greg Rucka's
Batman: Cry of the Huntress mini series was also pretty good.
grinningdemon
wrote:
>Dan McEwen quoted grinning demon and wrote:
>>> Her parents never knew she became Huntress...hell, her
>>> mother's death is what got her to become the Huntress
>>> in the first place...there was, however, an excellent
>>> story in Brave and the Bold near the end of the
>>> original series where the younger Earth 1 Batman met
>>> the Earth 2 Huntress...she ended up preventing him from
>>> giving up being Batman (as her father had done)...I
>>> would really like to see that one collected somewhere.
>>
>> Does that mean Helena Wayne is back? I did come to
>> accept Helena Bertinelli as written by Morrison but I
>> kmow virtually nothing else about her. Or, what I have
>> heard is that she is something of a psycho. It would kind
>> of be nice to see the original JSA and Infinity, Inc.
>> possibly existing off on their own world. That said, I'd
>> never trade away the current history of the JSA in the
>> "main" DCU.
>
>Demon:
>Isn't that the Alan Brennert story I cited earlier? Let me
>check. No, I was thinking of BRAVE AND THE BOLD #182 (Jan
>1982), "Interlude on Earth-Two." But that features Earth 1
>Batman and Earth-2 Robin & Batwoman.
That was also an excellent story...they should do a "Best of Brave in
the Bold" trade with some of the better stories from the original
series...I wouldn't want to see it all collected, as there are as many
bad stories as good ones, but I would like to see the better ones
again.
grinningdemon
<billb...@atgmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> [Earth-2 Huntress's] parents never knew she became Huntress...
>
>Didn't Batman find out some months before his death?
I don't believe so...I've only read those stories in the recent
Justice Society and Huntress trades but they included Batman's death
and, as far as I've seen, he never knew about Helena's secret.
D.C.
Im excited. And i'm so hoping DC doesnt screw it up.. there's so much
potential in the concept.
Ive read the old JLA-JSA teamups and one thing that struck me is that
there were very few of them thats actually "real" counterparts... IIRC
only Superman, WW and Robin ever met their "other selves". (I dont
recall the two Bruce Waynes ever meeting).
Now we have an opportunity for.. TWO Jay Garricks (add Wally and Bart
and we have a FOUR FLASH TEAM-UP), TWO Alan Scotts (add Hal, John and
Guy and we have FIVE GL-TEAM-UP), TWO Ted Grants, TWO Uncle Sams, TWO
Captain Marvels etc etc
Interesting to see if they would be the same age or would "our" Jay
Garrick actually be older?
If DC plays their cards right, they could stretch 52 worlds a long
time. No sense in revealing them all at once.. .maybe 6 or 7 now, 3 or
4 next year and so on.
And lastly, to answer the subject.. I *am* looking forward to a
crossover between two (or three) Legion of Super-Heroes!!!
selaboc
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> Mysteries of the Earth 2 panel:
> 1. Why the GA Wonder Woman would be around, since like PG
> and Supes she was bodily taken out of her world's continuity
> and preserved from the COIE aftermath by the gods, as Alex
> Luthor did Superman I, Lois I and Superboy Prime.
Maybe that was the Earth-2 Fury having taken up her mother's mantle
after she disappeared along with Supes and PG? WW certainly didn't
look old enough to be the E-2 WW in that panel.
Mathew Krull
created after Infinite Crisis. This is not the return of the
multiverse, it is the birth of a new multiverse.
selaboc
If it's not the "original Earth-2", then what's the point of the
newspaper headline about the "still" missing Kypronians? For a "new"
Earth-2 it looks amazinginly like the "old" one.
Michael S. Schiffer
news:1178725046.6...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
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> If it's not the "original Earth-2", then what's the point of the
> newspaper headline about the "still" missing Kypronians? For a
> "new" Earth-2 it looks amazinginly like the "old" one.
Regardless of intentions (which given DC's track record are probably
mixed depending on which writer or editor is involved), it's probably
be wiser to consider it a new Earth-2 roughly modeled on the old.
Because they *will* get things wrong (and/or make deliberate
changes), and follow it up with a "we meant to do that, this is the
new reality" sure as the night follows the day.
(Twenty years ago this would have struck me as a fine resolution,
with a new Earth to go forward with and the old Earths to revisit.
But now, after so much water under the bridge... well, I'll leave it
to other readers to tell me if I should care, and then pick up the
relevant stories in tpb.)
Mike
--
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS
msch...@condor.depaul.edu
David Johnston
Wonder Woman doesn't age.
Sean MacDonald
> Mike Blake wrote:
> > Mysteries of the Earth 2 panel:
> > 1. Why the GA Wonder Woman would be around, since like PG and Supes she
> > was bodily taken out of her world's continuity and preserved from the
> > COIE aftermath by the gods, as Alex Luthor did Superman I, Lois I and
> > Superboy Prime.
> > 2. Why the GA Flash looks more like Starman with a Mercury helmet (there
> > seem to be star-specks on his costume).
>
> Because it is not the original Earth 2. It is a brand new Earth 2
> created after Infinite Crisis. This is not the return of the
> multiverse, it is the birth of a new multiverse.- Hide quoted text -
Exactly. This looks like a very evil Earth-2, compared to the real
one.
Talking about mysteries, why is the Earth-2 Luthor bald? Answer: It's
a new Earth-2, not the old one.
Didn't Earth-2 Luthor die in Crisis? Yes, but this is a brand new
Earth-2.
Why are Huntress and Green Lantern wearing dog collars? Why is
Huntress' costume not quite right?
Answer: This is a new Earth-2 with no relation to the old one. (And
perhaps Green Lantern's dog collar is a homage to Kyle's.)
Why is Earth-2 Robin wearing a new-style Tim Drake costume? Answer:
This is a new Earth-2 with no relation to the old one.
Why is Wonder Woman around and why is Flash evil-looking? New Earth-2.
Why is Wonder Woman still young (there's no gray in her hair)? New
Earth-2.
Why is the picture of Earth-2 Superman showing the Earth-1 style chest
symbol? New Earth-2! Actually, no, that's probably just artist error.
Why is Power Girl's costume not quite right? New Earth-2... or artist
error.
Why is the Earth-2 Atom as tall as everyone else when his whole
schtick is being short? New Earth-2!
Why does Jade's costume now have a zip down the front? New Earth-2!
All I can say is... at least on Earth-5, Captain Marvel Junior has a
red cape again (unlike in Outsiders and other places) and Mary's got
her red costume back!
selaboc
The original Earth-2 Wonder Woman had grey in her hair and wrinkles
just prior to Crisis On Infinite Earths.
Devlin Tay
news:99d443thtnl87fs0m...@4ax.com...
The E-2 one did. She renounced her immortality when she left Paradise
Island. She was clearly much older than the E-1 Wonder Woman in COIE and
the post-Crisis Wonder Woman in InfC.
Devlin
selaboc
> On May 9, 8:02 am, Mathew Krull <mkru...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike Blake wrote:
> > > Mysteries of the Earth 2 panel:
> > > 1. Why the GA Wonder Woman would be around, since like PG and Supes she
> > > was bodily taken out of her world's continuity and preserved from the
> > > COIE aftermath by the gods, as Alex Luthor did Superman I, Lois I and
> > > Superboy Prime.
> > > 2. Why the GA Flash looks more like Starman with a Mercury helmet (there
> > > seem to be star-specks on his costume).
>
> > Because it is not the original Earth 2. It is a brand new Earth 2
> > created after Infinite Crisis. This is not the return of the
> > multiverse, it is the birth of a new multiverse.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Exactly. This looks like a very evil Earth-2, compared to the real
> one.
I don't get the "evil" vibe at all.
> Talking about mysteries, why is the Earth-2 Luthor bald? Answer: It's
> a new Earth-2, not the old one.
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, he went bald (and
with Superman missing, he can't blame Superman this time).
3) It's a new Earth-2
> Didn't Earth-2 Luthor die in Crisis? Yes, but this is a brand new
> Earth-2.
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) He got better (what, like it would be a first for a character to
seemingly die only to turn up alive later?)
3) The end up Crisis on Infinite Earths not only resulted in a "new
Earth" it also undid most of what the anti-monitor was responsible for
(which is why Earth-3 still exists)
4) It's a new Earth-2
> Why are Huntress and Green Lantern wearing dog collars? Why is
> Huntress' costume not quite right?
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, they redeisgned
their costumes.
3) It's a new Earth-2
> Why is Earth-2 Robin wearing a new-style Tim Drake costume?
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, he redeisgned his
costume
3) It's a new Earth-2
> Why is Wonder Woman around and why is Flash evil-looking?
> Why is Wonder Woman still young (there's no gray in her hair)?
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, Flash redeisgned
his costume and Fury took up WW mantle
3) It's a new Earth-2
> Why is the picture of Earth-2 Superman showing the Earth-1 style chest
> symbol? New Earth-2! Actually, no, that's probably just artist error.
I think you got it right the second time!
> Why is Power Girl's costume not quite right? New Earth-2... or artist
> error.
Another one where the artists error is the most likely answer as these
two charaters are clearly mean to be the Kal-L and PG that were
involved in the Infinite Crisis.
> Why is the Earth-2 Atom as tall as everyone else when his whole
> schtick is being short?
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, Atom discovered
the Earth-2 equivilant of Pym Particles.
3) It's a new Earth-2
> Why does Jade's costume now have a zip down the front?
Multiple Choice Answer:
1) Artist Error
2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, She redisgned her
costume
3) It's a new Earth-2
JLB
> On May 9, 8:58 pm, Sean MacDonald <tha...@netscape.com> wrote:
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> > On May 9, 8:02 am, Mathew Krull <mkru...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mike Blake wrote:
> > > > Mysteries of the Earth 2 panel:
> > > > 1. Why the GA Wonder Woman would be around, since like PG and Supes she
> > > > was bodily taken out of her world's continuity and preserved from the
> > > > COIE aftermath by the gods, as Alex Luthor did Superman I, Lois I and
> > > > Superboy Prime.
> > > > 2. Why the GA Flash looks more like Starman with a Mercury helmet (there
> > > > seem to be star-specks on his costume).
>
> > > Because it is not the original Earth 2. It is a brand new Earth 2
> > > created after Infinite Crisis. This is not the return of the
> > > multiverse, it is the birth of a new multiverse.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Exactly. This looks like a very evil Earth-2, compared to the real
> > one.
>
> I don't get the "evil" vibe at all.
>
> > Talking about mysteries, why is the Earth-2 Luthor bald? Answer: It's
> > a new Earth-2, not the old one.
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, he went bald (and
> with Superman missing, he can't blame Superman this time).
> 3) It's a new Earth-2
2.
>
> > Didn't Earth-2 Luthor die in Crisis? Yes, but this is a brand new
> > Earth-2.
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) He got better (what, like it would be a first for a character to
> seemingly die only to turn up alive later?)
> 3) The end up Crisis on Infinite Earths not only resulted in a "new
> Earth" it also undid most of what the anti-monitor was responsible for
> (which is why Earth-3 still exists)
> 4) It's a new Earth-2
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>
> > Why are Huntress and Green Lantern wearing dog collars? Why is
> > Huntress' costume not quite right?
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, they redeisgned
> their costumes.
> 3) It's a new Earth-2
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> > Why is Earth-2 Robin wearing a new-style Tim Drake costume?
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, he redeisgned his
> costume
> 3) It's a new Earth-2
2. He'd already redesigned his costume a couple times I believe.
>
> > Why is Wonder Woman around and why is Flash evil-looking?
> > Why is Wonder Woman still young (there's no gray in her hair)?
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, Flash redeisgned
> his costume and Fury took up WW mantle
> 3) It's a new Earth-2
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>
> > Why is the picture of Earth-2 Superman showing the Earth-1 style chest
> > symbol? New Earth-2! Actually, no, that's probably just artist error.
>
> I think you got it right the second time!
>
> > Why is Power Girl's costume not quite right? New Earth-2... or artist
> > error.
>
> Another one where the artists error is the most likely answer as these
> two charaters are clearly mean to be the Kal-L and PG that were
> involved in the Infinite Crisis.
>
> > Why is the Earth-2 Atom as tall as everyone else when his whole
> > schtick is being short?
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, Atom discovered
> the Earth-2 equivilant of Pym Particles.
> 3) It's a new Earth-2
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> > Why does Jade's costume now have a zip down the front?
>
> Multiple Choice Answer:
> 1) Artist Error
> 2) in the time between when COIE took place and now, She redisgned her
> costume
> 3) It's a new Earth-2- Hide quoted text -
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JLB
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Joe Sewell
Mike Blake <M1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, Kal-L's body is on New Earth; don't write him off until after JSA
#12 comes out, with the reveals on that hand coming out of his grave & a
Kingdom-like Superman speaking.
> Mysteries of the Earth 2 panel:
> 1. Why the GA Wonder Woman would be around, since like PG
> and Supes she was bodily taken out of her world's continuity
> and preserved from the COIE aftermath by the gods, as Alex
> Luthor did Superman I, Lois I and Superboy Prime.
She went to Olympus *after* the original Multiverse died, after Robin-2
and Huntress-2 were killed, in fact. If they're back, then so would WW.
> 2. Why the GA Flash looks more like Starman with a Mercury
> helmet (there seem to be star-specks on his costume).
That *was* a little weird, but I guess it was to evoke the Jay Garrick
of the Earth where the speedsters held Superboy-Prime for 4 years
(relative time).
> Mysteries of Earth 10 (Freedom Fighters/Nazi Earth):
> The FF look like they are fighting a Nazified JLA! Nazi
> Superman, Flash & Green Lantern are visible, Wonder Woman
> visible but Nazi status not as clear.
I took her appearance as similar to the Red Son version, where any
Russian (or, in this case, Nazi) symbolism would be subtle and not
easily seen, but that she'd follow Superman wherever he went.
> Earth 22 (Kingdom Come Earth):
> I thought it was cute everybody on this Earth look like they
> are painted rather than drawn. A subtle joke.
Or making the Kingdom Come connection obvious.