Difference between Marvel and DC Superheroes
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path that lead them to become superheroes, while Marvel characters had
it forced upon them almost by chance? Bruce chose to become Batman
when the bat flew in his window. When Clark discovered he had powers
he chose to use them for truth, justice, and the American way. Diane
chose to participate in the contest that would lead her to become
Wonder Woman. But Marvel characters for the most part had not part in
whether they became heroes or not. Peter Parker just happened to be
bitten by a spider. The Fantastic 4 went into space and just happened
to get powers. Bruce went to rescue the kid and the bomb went off and
he became the Hulk. The X-Men just happened to be born with the rare
mutant gene. The closest thing in the DC is probably Barry Allen's
origin. I just thought that was an interesting observation.
Patrick
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I understand what you are saying, but you are mistaking origins for
motivations. Superman just happened to have come from another planet and
Wonder Woman just happened to have been created by the Greek Gods. The
Marvel heroes you cited all chose to be heroes. Peter Parker didn't have to
be Spiderman. He could have continued being an entertainer. The X-Men
didn't have to "protect a world that feared them." That was their choice.
Batman is the only one of your heroes who actually chose to undergo training
in order to fight for justice.
Maybe DC (Earth-based) heroes are more inclined to be magic-based or aliens
(or using alien tech), compared to the Marvel universe, but there are also
many DC heroes who have origins based on scientific accidents (ex: Cyborg,
Beast Boy, Doom Patrol, Firestorm (Ronnie), Plastic Man) or who were born
with their powers (Black Lightning (retcon), his daughters Thunder and
Lightning, Black Canary (retcon?), Gypsy).
Patrick
Lilith
Superman just happened to be born on another planet that blew up on
everyone he never got to know. He just got his powers in a way
different from the X-Men but still an accident of birth, so to speak.
J'onn J'onzz just happened to be pulled from Mars to Earth by a
teleport beam he never asked to hit him. An accident.
Bruce's parents happend to be killed, leading to his dedication to
fighting crime. Peter Parker had his powers but didn't decide to use
those powers to fight injustice until, much like Bruce, someone dear
to him got killed.
Ray Palmer just happened to find a fragment of white dwarf star and
just happened to discover that it wouldn't make him blow up if he
shrunk himself. Supposedly a multi-million to one chance that,
genetically, he would survive.
Hal Jordan happened to be closer to Abin Sur than Guy Garnder or John
Stewart.
It's all circumstance. It just depends on how far back you want to
trace the events that made it come to pass.
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Lilith
Anlatt the Builder
Other than with Batman, I'm not sure I get the distinction. Superman
didn't choose to have superpowers, nor did Wonder Woman - they just
chose to use those superpowers to help others. Spider-Man, the FF, and
the X-Men did exactly the same thing.
grinningdemon
Generally speaking, outside of the bat-family, DC heroes and villains
are more powerful...the threats are more fantastic...as is their
world...Marvel generally goes for more realism...the characters are
mostly more down to earth and less powerful...and their world is more
like the real world with superheroes.
Fallen
Not even outside the Bat family, if Batman was in the MU he'd be on the
intelligence level of Reed Richards and the fighting level of Cap with a
bunch of other 'things that should really be powers' thrown in too like
Hawkeye's aim.
Batman would love the MU.
Fallen.
grinningdemon
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Fair enough.
>Batman would love the MU.
I love Marvel but I could totally go for a "Batman vs. the Marvel
Universe" book...hey, maybe that's where he went at the end of Final
Crisis?
RVG
I think that Bruce Wayne just happened to be a billionaire who's been
traumatized by his parents' murder, and that's what made him become
Batman, just as Tony Stark became Iron Man because of his heart injury
and a similar need for justice.
OTOH, Dr Strange chose his path to become a master wizard by giving up
the booze and surgery altogether and stay in the Himalayas to learn
magic there. Luke Cage chose to be the guinea pig of the experiment in
prison that gave him superhuman strength.
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> It's all circumstance. It just depends on how far back you want to
> trace the events that made it come to pass.
It's probably fair to say that many DC heroes had better
preparation for their super-heroic careers. Superman and
Wonder Woman learned to use their powers as they grew
up, and Bruce Wayne took a lifetime to become Batman.
Even the Silver Age Flash and Green Lantern had careers
(as a police officer and military pilot, respectively) that prepared
them for the responsible use of super-powers. Compare their
situation to that of Spider-Man or the Hulk, who had to
suddenly cope with having powers in a world that was hostile
to them.
Of course, the X-Men had an entire school set up to teach
them how to use their abilities responsibly. And Thor has been
acting as a hero long enough that he ought to know what he's
doing by now... although that argument hasn't helped Hercules...
—Rob R.
Patrick
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A Batman vs. Black Panther book would be cool too. The Bat God vs. the
Panther God :)
But I agree that Batman would fit in well in the Marvel Universe, but Tim
Drake would be perfect! That guy just can't get a break!
Patrick
Billy Bissette
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Priest wrote Black Panther as a Marvel Bat-Man.
And many seem to describe Moon Knight as a Marvel Batman. I see
him as more a "human" Batman, while Priest emulated the "super"
Batman (since DC has had Batman all over the scale over the years.)
Anlatt the Builder
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The current Moon Knight is, I am sorry to say, an ardent sadist,
working for a sadist deity. The absolute delight indicated in the
first issue for causing extreme physical pain and injury to criminals
(as opposed to bringing them to justice and/or stopping them from
future criminal activities) is not the kind of thing I like to see in
a so-called "superhero," unless the writer can make the
characterization utterly compelling. I don't see compelling
characterization here; just wrist-blades and gore.
grinningdemon
The new series is actually about him trying to get past all
that...he's still nuts and has that whacky moon god whispering
horrible things in his ear, but now he ignores him and tries to tone
down the violence and be more superhero like.
Anlatt the Builder
Thanks for letting me know. I couldn't get past the intro issue. I
found it disgusting.
grinningdemon
I was really getting sick of the previous series because it had
devolved into being pretty much all about how crazy Moon Knight
is...but the new relaunch (Vengeance of MK) has been much better so
far...he doesn't seem like such a sadistic nutjob anymore.
Hand-of-Omega
> Did you ever notice that DC characters for the most part chose the
> path that lead them to become superheroes, while Marvel characters had
> it forced upon them almost by chance?
I've noticed that DC heroes tend to wear capes more than Marvel
heroes. Really, what was the last Marvel hero to debut caped? The
Sentry and the Blue Marvel are the main ones, and they are deliberate
pastiches of DC-style heroics...
Dex
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that...the trick would be to have both "winning" various goals,
similar to what he did in the Panther vs. Iron Man story...
> But I agree that Batman would fit in well in the Marvel Universe, but Tim
> Drake would be perfect! That guy just can't get a break!
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I've actually wondered if Batman could take down the X-Men...Say that
Bruce Wayne bought into the "mutant menace", at least enough to
investigate it...Could he deduce the secret HQ of the X-Men, and even
infiltrate it, without their knowing?
Dex
grinningdemon
Remember Uncanny #175 where Cyclops uses strategy to take down the
entire team...if he can do it, Batman could mop the floor with
them...after all, Batman's real super power to always win.
Fallen
The answer to any question that starts wirth 'Could Batman...' is "Yes".
Fallen.
Lilith
I remember when Captain America was forced to give up his CA identity
and became Nomad. He had a cape to being with but discovered that it
interfered with his ability to move unencumbered and so he dropped it.
Of course Thor was caped but he didn't rely much on agility to get the
job done.
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Lilith (who wouldn't mind a faux mink cape but doesn't want to kill a
faux just to have one)
grinningdemon
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There was also a plotline near the end of Avengers West Coast where
Scarlet Witch decided a cape was a bad idea because it kept getting
snagged by the villains...of course, they forgot all about that after
Heroes Reborn when George Perez gave her just about the least
practical super hero outfit ever designed...it was truly impressive.
YKW (ad hoc)
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Storm had that sorta-kinda cape thing of hers from the outset. I think
Quasar did, as well. Anyone more recent than the Ford Administration?
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grinningdemon
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>Lilith <lili...@gmail.com> wrote in
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>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:43:59 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega
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>>>On Nov 23, 12:02�am, "blackje...@aol.com" <blackje...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Did you ever notice that DC characters for the most part chose the
>>>> path that lead them to become superheroes, while Marvel characters
>>>> had it forced upon them almost by chance?
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>>>I've noticed that DC heroes tend to wear capes more than Marvel
>>>heroes. Really, what was the last Marvel hero to debut caped? The
>>>Sentry and the Blue Marvel are the main ones, and they are deliberate
>>>pastiches of DC-style heroics...
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>> I remember when Captain America was forced to give up his CA identity
>> and became Nomad. He had a cape to being with but discovered that it
>> interfered with his ability to move unencumbered and so he dropped it.
>> Of course Thor was caped but he didn't rely much on agility to get the
>> job done.
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>Storm had that sorta-kinda cape thing of hers from the outset. I think
>Quasar did, as well. Anyone more recent than the Ford Administration?
Marvel Boy/Justice...I think he's always had a cape...unless you count
Major Victory as the same character.
Lilith
In theory they're not the same character since, IIRC, they're from
different time lines.
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Lilith
OM
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>I've noticed that DC heroes tend to wear capes more than Marvel
>heroes.
...Marvel heroes tend to be founded more on technological advancement
and/or gimmickry, while DC heroes tend to exhibit powers based on
enhanced physiology. Even where two characters are essentially the
same - Red Tornado and the Vision - the differences between the two
are divided between one being more metaphysical and one being more
techologically transcendent.
OM
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Billy Bissette
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> I've actually wondered if Batman could take down the X-Men...Say that
> Bruce Wayne bought into the "mutant menace", at least enough to
> investigate it...Could he deduce the secret HQ of the X-Men, and even
> infiltrate it, without their knowing?
I'd hope so, considering he'd only have to turn on the TV or look at
a newspaper to find out where the X-Men HQ is. They haven't had a
secret HQ in forever.
The closest they've had to a secret base in probably the last 10+
years was their base in San Francisco, which was pretty laughable.
(The X-Men claimed "hidden" a place that could be seen from the sky,
could be found by tracking any number of X-Men as they commuted to
it, involved the hiring of large construction crews, and which they
not long after completion invited everyone to come visit anyway.)
Infiltrate it without their knowing? Probably. You can't really
judge X-Men security because almost no one bothers trying to not
be noticed, instead just choosing to blast their way in rather
directly, with a decent success rate. The X-Men probably wouldn't
even know what to do if someone tried sneaking rather than smashing.
plausible prose man
More!
Patrick
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> I've actually wondered if Batman could take down the X-Men...Say that
> Bruce Wayne bought into the "mutant menace", at least enough to
> investigate it...Could he deduce the secret HQ of the X-Men, and even
> infiltrate it, without their knowing?
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> Dex
Was the HQ of the X-Men really a secret for anyone who wanted to know where
it was? How many times has the mansion been damaged or destroyed by
enemies?
Patrick
grinningdemon
Their location wasn't publicly known until Morrison had Xavier reveal
to the world that he was a mutant...the public knew it was a school
but not a school for mutants or the base for the x-men...that said, it
was never much of a secret in the super powered community and, even
before the location was publicly revealed, the mansion was damaged or
destroyed too many times to count (going all the way back to the
earliest issues of X-Men when Juggernaut thundered through it)...hell,
the mansion is currently in ruins and their location on Utopia is
freely known to everyone...I'd say the only time the X-Men ever had a
truly secret HQ was when they were based in the Austrailian outback
and everyone thought they were dead.
Lilith
I'd think that the reason most opponents take the direct route is
because there are enough people in the mansion with powers capable
detecting a slow approach that the only way to possibly gain the upper
hand is to attack swiftly.
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Lilith
Ka Faraq Gatri
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>The answer to any question that starts wirth 'Could Batman...' is "Yes".
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"Could Batman solve the unemployment crisis?"
"Could Batman trip on his cape, hit his head and get brain damage
from the trauma?"
"Could Batman become a Hare Krishna?"
"Could Batman obtain DVDs of the old Adam West series, see how silly
fighring crime in Bat-themed pajamas can be, and retire out of
embarrasment?"
"Could Batman discover how many licks it takes to get to the center
of a Tootsie Pop?"
plausible prose man
Batman knows how many licks it takes to get to the center of a
Tootsie Pop, as well as how many roundhouse kicks.