Crusading Zorros
plausible prose man
but I've read my share from all eras, too. I don't remember an earlier
statement that "the movie Bruce Wayne's parents took him to right
before they were shot dead was the Mark of Zorro" than Dark Knight,
in, what was it, 84? 85? Anyone recall an earlier one?
Also, somewhat relatedly, Bob Kane has this far-fetched story about
being in a gang called "the Crusading Zorros" and standing off the
bullies atop a pile of building materials in a construction site. He
also swings on a rope. I heard it on Fresh Air, a few years ago, and I
think it's in "Batman and Me." Anyone have an earlier cite for that?
Tim Turnip
<George...@aol.com> wrote:
>I haven't read every single Batman comic ever written, or anything,
>but I've read my share from all eras, too. I don't remember an earlier
>statement that "the movie Bruce Wayne's parents took him to right
>before they were shot dead was the Mark of Zorro" than Dark Knight,
>in, what was it, 84? 85? Anyone recall an earlier one?
Not I. I have the feeling that this is probably a Miller addition; he
used it in both Dark Knight, '86, and in Year One, '87. Before that
point, the primary source text for Batman pre-Crisis continuity that I
credit, Len Wein's 1980 "Untold Legend of the Batman" mini, only
mentions that the Waynes were seeing "a movie".
It's also worth mentioning that Roy Thomas' origin of the Golden Age
Batman, published in Secret Origins the same year as Dark Knight,
depicts the original Wayne family as having seen a Rudolph Valentino
silent pic, presumably to place them in the early 1920s or
thereabouts. The funny thing is that if Zorro had been established as
part of the story by then, not only would Thomas have undoubtedly used
it, but he could have also made it fit the timeline by referencing the
1920 silent version of The Mark of Zorro with Douglas Fairbanks, just
as Miller's Waynes had been watching the 1940 talkie with Tyrone
Power.
grinningdemon
It probably wasn't there from the beginning...but it fits pretty
well...Zorro was one of the inspirations for Batman and there are
definitely a fair amount of aspects shared between the
characters...I'd say it's a nice callback.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
In a few years it'll be plausible the Waynes went to see Antonio Banderas
and Anthony Hopkins.
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Dave
People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
Duggy
wrote:
> In a few years it'll be plausible the Waynes went to see Antonio Banderas
> and Anthony Hopkins.
11.5 years ago... almost viable for the Batman: Earth One origin when
it comes out.
About 15 more years before it's viable in modern continuity. George
Hamilton in "Zorro, The Gay Blade" would be the most like ATM... which
changes things a little.
> People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
I think you're getting confused. Splungarange rhymes with orange but
it means nothing.
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Michael Wood
"Duggy" <Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
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You know that is an Elseworlds I would pay to see.
Bullock: I saw Batman dressed like a banana.
Montoya: I saw Batman dressed like a plum.
Bullock: Commissioner, I believe that Batman may be ... a fruit.
[smack]
Commissioner Gordon: Bullock, you are an idiot.
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Catwoman: Batman, you must have a will of iron. No other man has been able
to resist my advances.
Batman: Umm ... Yes.
Michael Wood
vo...@webtv.net
shoes. They would then join Thunder, Grace Choi, Poison Ivy (bi), Holly
Robinson, Maggie Sawyer, Scandal Savage, and Knockout at the Gotham Gay
Pride Parade.
Lilith
<Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>On Dec 28, 1:12 pm, Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchened...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>> In a few years it'll be plausible the Waynes went to see Antonio Banderas
>> and Anthony Hopkins.
>
>11.5 years ago... almost viable for the Batman: Earth One origin when
>it comes out.
>
>About 15 more years before it's viable in modern continuity. George
>Hamilton in "Zorro, The Gay Blade" would be the most like ATM... which
>changes things a little.
Then Fredric Wetham was right?
>> People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
>I think you're getting confused. Splungarange rhymes with orange but
>it means nothing.
Can we get off this topic and concentrate on "silver"?
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Lilith
Duggy
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:33:02 -0800 (PST), Duggy
> >Hamilton in "Zorro, The Gay Blade" would be the most like ATM... which
> >changes things a little.
> Then Fredric Wetham was right?
Did anyone ever think otherwise?
> >> People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
> >I think you're getting confused. Splungarange rhymes with orange but
> >it means nothing.
> Can we get off this topic and concentrate on "silver"?
The Lone Ranger's Horse?
I think Zorro is a better connection to Batman than the Lone Ranger
is... although the Lone Ranger is related to the Green Hornet...
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Lilith
<Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>On Dec 29, 10:53 pm, Lilith <lilith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:33:02 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>> >About 15 more years before it's viable in modern continuity. George
>> >Hamilton in "Zorro, The Gay Blade" would be the most like ATM... which
>> >changes things a little.
>> Then Fredric Wetham was right?
>
>Did anyone ever think otherwise?
>
>> >> People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
>> >I think you're getting confused. Splungarange rhymes with orange but
>> >it means nothing.
>> Can we get off this topic and concentrate on "silver"?
>
>The Lone Ranger's Horse?
No. The other word in the English language that ostensibly doesn't
rhyme with anything.
>I think Zorro is a better connection to Batman than the Lone Ranger
>is... although the Lone Ranger is related to the Green Hornet...
Maybe if we handed the chore over to Phillip Jos� Farmer we could find
a connection.
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Lilith
Duggy
> >The Lone Ranger's Horse?
> No. The other word in the English language that ostensibly doesn't
> rhyme with anything.
Purple?
> >I think Zorro is a better connection to Batman than the Lone Ranger
> >is... although the Lone Ranger is related to the Green Hornet...
> Maybe if we handed the chore over to Phillip Jos Farmer we could find
> a connection.
The Lone Ranger's nephew is the Green Hornet's father. The Green
Hornet appeared in an episode of the 60s Batman series.
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plausible prose man
I think Bruce Wayne was explicity excluded from the Wold Newton
lineage, but let's see:
Well, I can't find it, but here's something fun anyway.
Lilith
<Paul....@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
>On Dec 30, 5:43 am, Lilith <lilith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >The Lone Ranger's Horse?
>> No. The other word in the English language that ostensibly doesn't
>> rhyme with anything.
>
>Purple?
Hirple and curple. Admittedly it would be hard to get them to work
with purple in a poem very well.
>> >I think Zorro is a better connection to Batman than the Lone Ranger
>> >is... although the Lone Ranger is related to the Green Hornet...
>> Maybe if we handed the chore over to Phillip Jos Farmer we could find
>> a connection.
>
>The Lone Ranger's nephew is the Green Hornet's father. The Green
>Hornet appeared in an episode of the 60s Batman series.
Farmer's Wold Newton connectivity was based on genetic associations.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> On Dec 30, 12:43�am, Lilith <lilith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:31:18 -0800 (PST), Duggy
>> >I think Zorro is a better connection to Batman than the Lone Ranger
>> >is... although the Lone Ranger is related to the Green Hornet...
>>
>> Maybe if we handed the chore over to Phillip Jos Farmer we could find
>> a connection. �
>
> I think Bruce Wayne was explicity excluded from the Wold Newton
> lineage, but let's see:
>
> Well, I can't find it, but here's something fun anyway.
Farmer didn't bother with comic book characters much, except to note that
Lois and Margo Lane were sisters. But later Wold-Newtoners did say Bruce
wasn't a member of the WN family (the idea being, I think, that WN genes
make someone superhuman, which goes against the idea of Batman):
http://www.pjfarmer.com/secret/marvelous/batman.htm
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Dave
Ty...@webtv.net
and Princess La.
Lilith
<daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
I never thought that Tarzan or Doc Savage were any more superhuman
than Batman. Doc and Bruce both had to train to reach their full
potential. Tarzan lived a life that regularly forced him to use his
potential to survive. All three were/are extra intelligent,
especially a Tarzan who can learn to speak his first human language,
French, from a book without any guided instruction or exposure to the
tongue.
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Lilith
Duggy
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:25:00 -0800 (PST), Duggy
> <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 5:43 am, Lilith <lilith...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >The Lone Ranger's Horse?
> >> No. The other word in the English language that ostensibly doesn't
> >> rhyme with anything.
> >Purple?
> Hirple and curple. Admittedly it would be hard to get them to work
> with purple in a poem very well.
Blorenge & Gorringe, chilver & Wilver.
"ostensibly"
> >> >I think Zorro is a better connection to Batman than the Lone Ranger
> >> >is... although the Lone Ranger is related to the Green Hornet...
> >> Maybe if we handed the chore over to Phillip Jos Farmer we could find
> >> a connection.
> >The Lone Ranger's nephew is the Green Hornet's father. The Green
> >Hornet appeared in an episode of the 60s Batman series.
> Farmer's Wold Newton connectivity was based on genetic associations.
Wold Newton Family is, Wold Newton Universe isn't.
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argento32
plausible prose man
> On 30 Dec 2009 16:42:45 GMT, Daibhid Ceanaideach
>
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>
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I'm pretty sure Tarzan learned to read English from a book, but
couldn't read it. He learned to speak French from a soldier he
encounters.
Duggy
> I'm pretty sure Tarzan learned to read English from a book, but
> couldn't read it. He learned to speak French from a soldier he
> encounters.
Learnt to read from a book, learnt to talk from a record, IIRC.
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