LSH: AOL Chat for 5/30/96 with McCraw, Peyer & Moy
T. Troy McNemar, Esq.
Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist), Tom Peyer (LSH co-
plotter/scripter) and Jeff Moy (L* penciller) were the guests on
America Online's Legionnaires Chat for Thursday, May 30, 1996.
Legion of Super-Heroes Chat is held every Tuesday in the DC
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held every Thursday in the same area at 10:00 p.m. EST.
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Kurt Busiek stopped by the chat and stated that he reads the
Legion books and thinks they're terrific. He refused to discuss
his own work on Legion time. (ED - But I will--check out KURT
BUSIEK'S ASTRO CITY restarting in August from Homage Comics and
UNTOLD TALES OF SPIDER-MAN from Marvel.)
Jeff didn't think that Lee Moder was signed up as far as LSH
#100, but indicated that he and Cory Carani were signed up as far
as Lee was and more. Peyer thought his contract ran until LSH
#98. McCraw indicated that he was free to walk away at any time,
but wouldn't.
Jeff pointed out the Legion of Super-Heroes article in Wizard #59
which was a recap of the Legion stories since Zero Hour. The
article's author, Matt Brady, was present for a brief period and
encouraged fans who want to see more Legion coverage in WIZARD to
send their requests to "Wizw...@aol.com".
Peyer denies the implication from WIZARD's "Hot Picks" that he
torments small animals. He only torments LSH fans. He conceded
that he would torment any small animals that became Legion fans,
but not if the fan was Streaky, the super-cat. He drew the line
at tormenting cats with heat vision.
Jeff accused Peyer of being evil, and Peyer responded with a
"Bah!"
The Legion will participate in DC's fall crossover event, IN
DARKEST NIGHT.
Peyer believes that another volume of the LSH Archives will be
released in 1997.
McCraw has been reading Legion stories since the late 1970's.
Neither Peyer nor McCraw were aware of any upcoming Green Lantern
team-up with the Legion.
Peyer doesn't think that Keith Giffen has any plans to write a
Legion story soon.
Peyer observed that Triad and Chuck Taine have their whole future
ahead of them, and that there was no rush for them to meet.
McCraw indicated that fans shouldn't look for Kent Shakespeare
any time soon.
Peyer thought that Chameleon's former accent was fun.
Jeff thinks that Saturn Girl's sister, Jancel Ardeen, has a lot
of potential.
Peyer admitted that Star Boy's additional powers needed to be
addressed.
McCraw doesn't foresee any romance between Leviathan and
Shrinking Violet, and points out that Vi is made at Leviathan
right now.
Peyer indicated that if they did have Universo plans, they'd keep
the plans secret.
McCraw doesn't think Dr. Gym'll would be the same if he was all
nice and cuddly. He indicates that Gym'll is vain enough to
think that Brainiac 5 will assist him, and vice versa.
Live Wire will still have an artificial arm unless something
happens. Peyer points out that Live Wire bleeds lightning, and
prosthetics can't handle that. McCraw thought that Gym'll would
work on cloning a new arm for Live Wire, but that it wouldn't be
an easy thing to do. Peyer indicated that Live Wire's insides
are too volatile to accept new tissue, even tissue from a
lightning person.
Peyer has been waiting for five years to spring the Uncanny
Amazers on fans. He indicates that LSH #82 was just a teaser for
the Amazers and that they would appear soon in L*. Jeff was
pleased that he got to draw Insect Queen.
McCraw polled fans as to whether they'd like to have Kid Quantum
II join the Legion.
McCraw indicates that Kid Quantum II's name is not Danielle.
McCraw noted that Konk looked similar to Triad because of the
hair color, but that Triad's was her natural color. Peyer named
Konk, and McCraw thought there was another name for the character
initially. Peyer indicates that he's never seen the Beyondo skit
on Jay Leno.
According to Peyer, the similarity between Atom'x's codename and
Tom McCraw's AOL screen name is not a coincidence. Peyer
switched the name without McCraw's knowledge. McCraw claims that
pink isn't really his color. He jokingly vowed revenge against
Peyer.
McCraw indicates that the mystery of Atmos' absence in LSH #82
will be explained later. He joked that Atmos called in sick that
day.
Peyer stated that we'll be meeting the bald, bicycle-panted
Amazer soon. He actually does have a name and powers. He also
opined that it was just like the Legion to have a bald guy in
swim trunks in the background doing nothing.
McCraw observed that both Kid Quantums projected stasis fields.
Gates was affected by Kid Quantum because he got into the area
that she was projecting in. Peyer quips that Gates was affected
because Kid Quantum uses a Sears Craftsman brand stasis field,
the toughest known.
Apparition's return was planned from the beginning. Peyer
indicated that we still haven't seen all of the plans for her.
Jeff doesn't recall if Apparition is in L* #39.
Peyer indicated that Ultra Boy and Ambassador Wazzo can see
Apparition because they love her the most. There will be further
developments in whether Apparition can be seen.
Peyer doesn't think that the Ultra Boy and Apparition romance
needs to be handled similarly to the Wildfire and Dawnstar
relationship.
McCraw pointed out that Lee modified Apparition's costume. He
notes that the costume still had a stripe rather than a cutout.
Apparition will be going to the 20th century with Ultra Boy,
Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Brainiac 5, Spark and Gates. That
completes the list of 20th century Legionnaires.
Two non-members will also be going to the 20th century. One of
the non-members has super-powers and the other doesn't. Peyer
claims distress that they didn't think to include Konk among the
non-members.
McCraw indicates that Apparition won't become depressed upon
seeing the skeletal Deadman unless she becomes a skeletal
Apparition.
McCraw predicts that Gates will fit into the 20th century as well
as Gates fits in anywhere.
Jeff wasn't aware that any Legionnaires would remain in the 20th
century after the upcoming storyline continues.
Peyer thinks the 20th century story arc is a good idea, and that
now was a good time to do it because there were two books--one of
which would remain set in the 30th century. The Toms both chose
which Legionnaires would travel to the 20th century.
Peyer refused to say when the 20th century story would end
because it would ruin the suspense.
McCraw indicated that Damage would "maybe" show up in the Legion.
The Phase backstory will be addressed while the Legion is in the
20th century.
In the LSH Annual, we'll see why Dirk Morgna can't adopt the
"Wildfire" codename. McCraw asked why the Sun Boy name shouldn't
be used.
Peyer indicates that we'll see The Empress again.
Jeff confirmed that the event in LSH #83 will be "bad . . . very
bad." He hinted that it had something to do with the Emerald
Eye.
--
T. Troy McNemar, Esq. Tro...@indirect.com
"It's certain death anyway. That's the thing about Death,
certainly."
--Archchancellor Ridcully, "Lords and Ladies"
LLL!
Eivind Gladheim Oestreng
"T. Troy McNemar, Esq." <tro...@indirect.com> wrote:
Aaarrrghhh!
>SPOILERS - Information that tends to spoil current or upcoming
>issues is located toward the end of this report. No spoiler
>space separates such spoiler information.
Yeah, I know, I was duly warned, but this is the first time I can
remember reading this big a spoiler regarding the most recent issue
on the chat before I got the issue myself (I get my legion books a week
after the majority on this newsgroup).
Perhaps next time an extra disclamer along the lines of "This chat was
devoted mostly to LSH/L #so-and-so, and major spolers relevant to that issue
are mentioned" or "Major spoilers specific to LSH/L #whatever are mentioned
herein" at the beginning of the actual chat might be in order. Just a
suggestion mind you, I know perfectly well that the best solution for me is to
hold off reading the chat reports for a week.
For thos that haven't realiced what I'm talking about
Spoiler Space for LSH #82
I'm speciffically talking about the revelation of Tinya's return. That was a
whoppin' big spoiler for me.
- EGO, the Warped One, keeper of the Captain Ultra flame.
"Well, if you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what *can* you
believe?!" - Bullwinkle J. Moose
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* Eivind Gladheim Oestreng * eivi...@sn.no * provider of the lutefisk *
T. Troy McNemar, Esq.
Previously on racdl, Eivind Gladheim Oestreng wrote:
>"T. Troy McNemar, Esq." <tro...@indirect.com> wrote:
>Aaarrrghhh!
>
>>SPOILERS - Information that tends to spoil current or upcoming
>>issues is located toward the end of this report. No spoiler
>>space separates such spoiler information.
>
>Yeah, I know, I was duly warned, but this is the first time I can
>remember reading this big a spoiler regarding the most recent issue
>on the chat before I got the issue myself (I get my legion books a week
>after the majority on this newsgroup).
>Perhaps next time an extra disclamer along the lines of "This chat was
>devoted mostly to LSH/L #so-and-so, and major spolers relevant to that issue
>are mentioned" or "Major spoilers specific to LSH/L #whatever are mentioned
>herein" at the beginning of the actual chat might be in order. Just a
>suggestion mind you, I know perfectly well that the best solution for me is
to
>hold off reading the chat reports for a week.
I'm truly sorry that you were spoiled, Eivind.
I occasionally do add spoiler space to the reports or make additional
disclaimers, but didn't in this case because I stacked all the Amazers stuff
before the big spoiler. I always try to arrange the spoiler material in order
of current issue to future issues, and within those categories, least spoiler
to most spoiler. My thought was that, in addition to the warning up in the
boilerplate intro, all the Amazers stuff gave sufficient notice to everyone
that hadn't read LSH #82 that they should bail out.
I appreciate any feedback on other ways to handle spoiler information. But
please keep in mind when providing suggestions that it's often difficult to
determine whether information constitutes a spoiler or not.
--
T. Troy McNemar, Esq. Tro...@indirect.com
"I don't need to know the future. When the future's over,
then it's me . . . ."
--Death, "Orpheus"
LLL!
Ben Weiss
On Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:18:50 -0700,
>Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist), Tom Peyer (LSH co-
>plotter/scripter) and Jeff Moy (L* penciller) were the guests on
>America Online's Legionnaires Chat for Thursday, May 30, 1996.
>Legion of Super-Heroes Chat is held every Tuesday in the DC
>Comics Online area of AOL at 6:00 p.m. EST. Legionnaires Chat is
>held every Thursday in the same area at 10:00 p.m. EST.
>(Keyword: DC CHAT.) Regular guests include Tom Peyer, Tom
>McCraw, Roger Stern, Mark Waid, Jeff Moy, Ron Boyd, KC Carlson
>and Mike McAvennie.
>
>DISCLAIMER - Information presented herein is not guaranteed to be
>reliable. Due to the nature of the chats, misinterpretations of
>the creators' comments do occur. No wagering.
>
>SPOILERS - Information that tends to spoil current or upcoming
>issues is located toward the end of this report. No spoiler
>space separates such spoiler information.
>
>
>========
>
>
>Live Wire will still have an artificial arm unless something
>happens. Peyer points out that Live Wire bleeds lightning, and
>prosthetics can't handle that. McCraw thought that Gym'll would
>work on cloning a new arm for Live Wire, but that it wouldn't be
>an easy thing to do. Peyer indicated that Live Wire's insides
>are too volatile to accept new tissue, even tissue from a
>lightning person.
I'm glad they at least considered the possibility. That first bit
doesn't mean Garth's losing his powers, does it? (Please??)
>
>McCraw polled fans as to whether they'd like to have Kid Quantum
>II join the Legion.
I wouldn't be averse, although I'd appreciate if (1) her powers were
better defined (temporary slowing or stopping of time in a given area?),
(2) and not tied to a belt, and (3) if her hair and earrings were
redone to look a bit less like Danielle Foccart.
>
>McCraw noted that Konk looked similar to Triad because of the
>hair color, but that Triad's was her natural color. Peyer named
>Konk, and McCraw thought there was another name for the character
>initially.
So does Konk have any powers other than a disconnected body, or does
she join the illustrious ranks of Plaid Lad and Double-Header?
>
>McCraw indicates that the mystery of Atmos' absence in LSH #82
>will be explained later. He joked that Atmos called in sick that
>day.
Fair enough--again, as long as they thought of it.
>
>McCraw observed that both Kid Quantums projected stasis fields.
>Gates was affected by Kid Quantum because he got into the area
>that she was projecting in.
I wasn't clear what happened in the panel after "Go fix your own match,"
when Cham and Gim slammed into the Amazers. Also, if the area was the
problem, why didn't she affect the Amazers too?
>
>Apparition's return was planned from the beginning. Peyer
>indicated that we still haven't seen all of the plans for her.
The return couldn't *not* have been planned. As long as she's back
in some form, I can't wait to see what happens.
>
>Jeff doesn't recall if Apparition is in L* #39.
Erm...she'd *better* be. The writers still have a problem with follow-up
to big events; notice that we didn't see Valor or Sun Boy the issues after
their debuts, and that the resolution of the Brainy-quits-the-Legion plot
happened off screen. At least give us a page showing what's happening to
her! (And while they're at it, a page of Andromeda.)
>
>Peyer doesn't think that the Ultra Boy and Apparition romance
>needs to be handled similarly to the Wildfire and Dawnstar
>relationship.
...Since Apparition is weaker, rather than stronger, than in the past if
she can't solidify. Unless she gains some totally new powers,
I'd guess she'll have the reverse of her original abilities--i.e. her
natural form is intangible, but she has the power to solidify.
>
>McCraw pointed out that Lee modified Apparition's costume. He
>notes that the costume still had a stripe rather than a cutout.
Good--I thought she was regressing to the '70s for a moment. :)
>
>Apparition will be going to the 20th century with Ultra Boy,
>Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Brainiac 5, Spark and Gates. That
>completes the list of 20th century Legionnaires.
So let's see...the 30th, then, has Live Wire (*still* the unluckiest
Legionnaire--losing his sister *and* his would-be girlfriend, *with* his
rival!), Triad, Leviathan, Chameleon, Invisible Kid, XS, Shrinking Violet,
Kinetix, Star Boy, Element Lad and M'onel. The team's not diminished as
much as one might think, although they've lost a bit of offensive power
(Spark, Cos and U-Boy).
>
>Two non-members will also be going to the 20th century. One of
>the non-members has super-powers and the other doesn't. Peyer
>claims distress that they didn't think to include Konk among the
>non-members.
Hmmm...super-powered choices: I guess we have a lot of villains to choose
from, as well as the Amazers and the Workforce, but the most likely candidates
would be Sun Boy, Tenzil, or the due-to-appear Dream Girl, with
Andromeda and Proty as long shots. I think Jeff's mentioned drawing
Winema in spoilers after the split, so she's out (Previews sez
Mysa's staying too). Tenzil would be the most fun, and is a likely
candidate since he won't make the team much more powerful.
Non-powered choices: Rond Vidar (the leading candidate), Lori Morning, Chuck
Taine, Marla Latham, Shvaughn Erin, R.J. Brande...from there we're down to
*distant* also-rans. (Or an Athramite--yeah, that's the ticket!) I'd put
my money on Rond, fear it would be Lori (yuck!), and think Chuck would be cool.
>
>Jeff wasn't aware that any Legionnaires would remain in the 20th
>century after the upcoming storyline continues.
WHEW!!! Keep it that way.
>
>Peyer refused to say when the 20th century story would end
>because it would ruin the suspense.
Fair enough, now that we know it *will* end.
>
>In the LSH Annual, we'll see why Dirk Morgna can't adopt the
>"Wildfire" codename. McCraw asked why the Sun Boy name shouldn't
>be used.
>
Dave already spilled the beans.
>
>Jeff confirmed that the event in LSH #83 will be "bad . . . very
>bad." He hinted that it had something to do with the Emerald
>Eye.
>
Vi turns into the Empress, with the result that Kinetix has to do
something drastic in the following issue--maybe take the eye herself?
Ben
Greg Brume
In article <1.5.4.16.1996060...@indirect.com>, "T. Troy
McNemar, Esq." <tro...@indirect.com> wrote:
snip
> Peyer stated that we'll be meeting the bald, bicycle-panted
> Amazer soon. He actually does have a name and powers. He also
> opined that it was just like the Legion to have a bald guy in
> swim trunks in the background doing nothing.
Must be Bicycle Repairman.
Yeechang Lee
Ben Weiss <weis...@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
[Spoiler space]
> >Jeff doesn't recall if Apparition is in L* #39.
>
> Erm...she'd *better* be.
I think someone said on lsh-l she won't be, but am not sure.
> The writers still have a problem with follow-up to big events;
> notice that we didn't see Valor or Sun Boy the issues after their
> debuts, and that the resolution of the Brainy-quits-the-Legion plot
> happened off screen. At least give us a page showing what's
> happening to her!
Agreed on all counts. The Brainy-quits-the-Legion thing was, to me,
the most annoying--why make it a cliffhanger if you're going to do
absolutely nothing with it the next issue or two? There's a puzzling
lack of coordination among the two books that didn't seem to exist a
year ago.
> (And while they're at it, a page of Andromeda.)
I hope Laurel doesn't disappear as long as Kinetix did last year.
> >Peyer refused to say when the 20th century story would end
> >because it would ruin the suspense.
>
> Fair enough, now that we know it *will* end.
And something which, if made clear at the start, would've prevented
lots of the ensuing controversy.
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Verachez
In article <19382.w...@gold.tc.umn.edu>, "Ben Weiss"
<weis...@gold.tc.umn.edu> writes:
>>Apparition's return was planned from the beginning. Peyer
>>indicated that we still haven't seen all of the plans for her.
>
>The return couldn't *not* have been planned. As long as she's back
>in some form, I can't wait to see what happens.
Sure it could have. When they first killed her, they could have intended
her to be dead and gone forever. Then, they later bowed to fan pressure
and figured out a way to bring her back.
The alternative is if they planned to bring her back the way they did from
when they first killed her.
Tom says the first way is the way it happened.
JohnHeaton
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In article <slrn4r8js...@simile.cc.columbia.edu>, yl...@columbia.edu
(Yeechang Lee) writes:
>> The writers still have a problem with follow-up to big events;
>> notice that we didn't see Valor or Sun Boy the issues after their
>> debuts, and that the resolution of the Brainy-quits-the-Legion plot
>> happened off screen. At least give us a page showing what's
>> happening to her!
>Agreed on all counts. The Brainy-quits-the-Legion thing was, to me,
>the most annoying--why make it a cliffhanger if you're going to do
>absolutely nothing with it the next issue or two?
I suggest that they downplayed Vi convincing Brainy to stay because
playing
it up would have brought undue attention to her gradual personality
changes.
Instead, we get Lu saying off-handedly that Vi had convinced Brainy to
stay.
Cos's humorous reaction -- Brainy's leaving? -- drew attention away from
the
fact that Vi, shy and assuming, had voluntarily talked to the Legion's
most
abrasive personality and convinced him to stay. And note that she seems
to
have taken credit for bringing in Dr. Gym'll, hardly what you'd expect
from
someone as shy as Vi. She'd be more likely to downplay her
accomplishments
than take credit for other people's.
>> (And while they're at it, a page of Andromeda.)
>
>I hope Laurel doesn't disappear as long as Kinetix did last year.
Well, if she does, so what? The issue with Zoe was not that she had left
but
that she had left with a specific stated purpose that was not followed up
on
for several issues -- a dangler. With Laurel, she got mad and left.
She's
not a member of the team, that's all. It's analogous, in my mind, to the
situation when Ayla left following the GDS -- she didn't reappear to the
best
of my knowledge until the beginning the v. 3. And why should she have --
she
wasn't a member any more. I'll admit to being slightly curious about
Laurel's
whereabouts, but it's not a dangler so I don't care if they don't tell me.
I
suspect she'll show up during the Emerald Eye arc or after the team is
split.
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john_...@wellstone.senate.gov
http://users.aol.com/oscarfan/
I live in Los Angeles. I'd like to say this: If you ever see me getting
beaten by the police, put the video camera down and help me.
- Bobcat Goldthwait
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SDelMonte
In article <gbrume19-040...@boston-pm1-dyn5.pcix.com>,
gbru...@mail.idt.net (Greg Brume) writes:
>Must be Bicycle Repairman.
>
>
No, it's Mister Neutron, the most powerful man alive. Really, he is.
Isn't it great when LSH and Python collide?
Simon DelMonte
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering, Pinky?
"I think so, Brain, but I don't think I can memorize an entire opera in
Yiddish."
Johanna Draper
In article <4p1m4o$1...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
Verachez <vera...@aol.com> wrote:
>Sure it could have. When they first killed her, they could have intended
>her to be dead and gone forever. Then, they later bowed to fan pressure
>and figured out a way to bring her back.
>
>The alternative is if they planned to bring her back the way they did from
>when they first killed her.
>
>Tom says the first way is the way it happened.
Tom? Tom Who? They planned to bring Tinya back as soon as the storyline
started.
Johanna
--
Johanna Draper * dan...@aurora.cis.upenn.edu * Comi...@aol.com
"I have always liked the idea of Superman because I have always liked the
idea that there is one person in the world who doesn't do bad things. And
that there is one person in the world who is able to fly." -- D. Coupland
Verachez
In article <4p2nae$v...@netnews.upenn.edu>, dan...@aurora.cis.upenn.edu
(Johanna Draper) writes:
>>Sure it could have. When they first killed her, they could have intended
>>her to be dead and gone forever. Then, they later bowed to fan pressure
>>and figured out a way to bring her back.
>>
>>The alternative is if they planned to bring her back the way they did
from
>>when they first killed her.
>>
>>Tom says the first way is the way it happened.
>
>Tom? Tom Who? They planned to bring Tinya back as soon as the storyline
>started.
Sorry. It's Tom McCraw, and I meant to say SECOND way. Sorry.
tek...@vnet.ibm.com
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>> notice that we didn't see Valor or Sun Boy the issues after their
>> debuts, and that the resolution of the Brainy-quits-the-Legion plot
>> happened off screen. At least give us a page showing what's
>> happening to her!
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>the most annoying--why make it a cliffhanger if you're going to do
>lack of coordination among the two books that didn't seem to exist a
>year ago.
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I don't know, I'm not sure I wanted a page or two of Violet begging
Brainy to stay. The only way it would have been palatable would have been
to have her somehow trick him into staying by appealing to his ego
bigtime. Think of it this way- getting him to stay was the important
point, how is not important... at least not yet. And if it turns out not
to be important, we can each imagine what she promised him in return for
his staying.
Hey, maybe she promised him an indestructible lab built by the Emeral...
no, let's not say it <g>.
Vic Vitek
---> These do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM, my family, my
pets, or any sane person.