DISCLAIMER - Just because it's the Legionnaires Chat rather than the LSH Chat
doesn't make the report any more reliable than usual. This report is based on
creators' comments made during a fast and furious chat session. Some
misinterpretations will creep into the report.
SPOILERS - Material that tends to spoil current and upcoming issues is
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NOTE - I do not intend to differentiate between LSH Chats and Legionnaires
Chats in the future. I believed that the first Legionniares Chat deserved
some fanfare. Further, I doubt that the creators will differentiate between
the two chats (other than the obvious time difference) when it comes to
attending.
SPECIAL THANKS - To all the creators that agreed to participate in a second
weekly chat that is more convenient for us West Coast types. In particular,
special thanks to Online Services Assistant Editor Michael Leib for laying the
groundwork for the new chat. Finally, special thanks to Andrew Woodard,
Edward Douglas, Sidne Ward, and all the other fans that were present and
willing to log the chat for me if I hadn't been able to attend.
FINAL NOTE - Oh, I'll just get right to the guts of it, okay?
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McCraw didn't know why DC had suddenly started the massive advertising
campaign for the Legion titles. He speculated that perhaps someone was paying
attention to what the creative teams were doing.
Peyer's last issue of X-Nation 2099 is #3. Peyer is working on LSH and some
Superman stuff right now. He has proposed a new title, and is working on the
Adventures of Superman annual with Derek Aucoin.
R.E.B.E.L.S. #17 is the last issue. There are two LSH-related revelations in
that issue. Peyer didn't know of any L.E.G.I.O.N. plans after that issue.
Roger likes writing in the so-called Marvel Style (plot, then pencils, then
script) because he feels that he works better that way. He observed that
Jerry Siegel used that method at Fiction House. (Roger had heard that Jerry
Siegel has a bad case of the flu and asked fans to wish Jerry well.)
Roger is hoping that Humberto Ramos will draw the Legionnaires Annual. Peyer
would like to do a Legion mini with Humberto Ramos. Jeff pushed a Ramos XS
mini series.
McCraw observed that Ramos didn't want to give XS back to the Legion books.
He indicated that Mark Waid would have to give XS back because she was
McCraw's creation.
Jeff enjoyed Ramos' version of XS, but doesn't intend to copy any of Ramos'
style into his version of XS. He'd "rather see Ramos do Ramos instead of
[him] doing Ramos."
Roger is hoping for an additional assignment that "doesn't tie in with 5000
other books." He whimsically complains that everything he does ties in with
something and makes his brain hurt.
The Legionnaires lettercol has a new name, but Mike McAvennie has asked the
creators to keep it a secret.
McCraw wrote most of LSH #50-59 by himself. Stuart Immonen and Ron Boyd only
suggested things.
McCraw is working on a Showcase story and is submitting a couple of
mini-things soon. The Showcase story will be Legion-related if it goes
through.
McCraw observes that L* #50 and LSH #100 will not be that far apart. They
don't have plans that far in advance yet. McCraw begged that we give them a
break.
Jeff couldn't pin down the his favorite panel in Legionnaires to date, but
speculated that it was one with a lot of fun in it.
Roger brags of buying Adventure Comics when they were twelve cents.
McCraw didn't know what Curt Swan was doing these days, but that Swan had done
a recent issue of Swamp Thing. McCraw would like to see a Swan Legion story
anywhere, including a Showcase story.
There are no plans for a third ongoing Legion titles. Nevertheless, a couple
of mini-series are possibilities. McCraw observes that it is harder to get
mini-series okayed than one would think.
Roger pointed out that the Legion wasn't in the DC/Marvel crossover because
Marvel fears the Legion. Peyer thanked Roger for picking up Peyer's "Marvel
Fears Legion" slack, and observed that Inivisible Kid would smash Sue Storm.
McCraw had not heard anything about rumors that Showcase '97 would feature
Legion stories in every issue. (ED - I doubt that there is any truth to these
rumors, but I've been wrong before.)
The creators were pleased that Legionnaires #29 had been included in the boxed
Best DC Comics of 1995 selection.
Roger tapped XS and Valor as his favorite characters. His favorite
Legionnaire yet to appear is Ferro.
Jeff believes that he has improved quite a bit as an artist in the past year.
He still feels that he can improve. Roger bragged that he sees Jeff's
Legionnaires art before any of the rest of us. Jeff shot back that Jeff
didn't make the art easy to script.
Peyer enjoys doing Legion spotlight stories. He believes there's room for
spotlight stories with two books a month.
Roger observed that a Usenet poster had accused him of being the next Gerry
Conway. He noted that rac.ers don't trust anyone whose name isn't Tom. He
found the posts amusing.
McCraw notes that the Legion Chats do help the creators know what the readers
are thinking and how the readers feel about what the creators are doing.
Because the creators are plotting the books four months in advance, comments
seldom influence future plots. McCraw did concede that it was tough not
discussing spoiler information in upcoming books.
Roger speculates that Legion fans couldn't possibly be as weird as mutant
fans. He did joke that LSH fans have more to be loyal about than X-fans.
Peyer didn't know if a member of Stealth's race would show up in the Legion
books.
There are no plans for the Legion to team up with any of the Superpeople right
now. Roger mandates that the Legionnaires must grow their hair longer before
they interact with the Superman books. The Super books have a hair code. He
further quipped that the team hasn't quite gelled, but they do mousse.
Tana and Roxy can't leave the Superboy book to become the new Insect Queen
because neither of them trust Knockout.
Roger observed that despite their eccentricities, none of the Legionnaires are
jerks. He likes that. He finds Gates to be a pain, but not a jerk.
Roger raised speculation about what Gates will look like after he hits
puberty. Jeff joked that Gates could eat Larvae Lad. McCraw created Gates,
but Peyer agrees with Gates' politics. According to Roger, Gates is the Edgar
Kennedy of the Legion. He casts Maurice LeMarche (sp?)--The Brain's voice--as
Gates' voice in a Legion cartoon.
McCraw quipped that Validus tried to pull out the Empress' belly button ring,
but missed the loop.
McCraw speculates that Karate Kid must be training right now.
Cham can shapeshift to hide wounds, and he heals faster than most of the other
Legionnaires.
It hasn't been determined whether the Sorceror's World is Amethyst's Gemworld
in the postboot. Roger pointed out that Sorceror's World appeared in
"Superman: Man of Tomorrow" #3.
Roger won't bring back Tinya. He said that it was hard enough bringing
Superman back. McCraw noted that Roger would have to get a resurrection story
idea past "us Toms" before it would see print.
McCraw points out that Tenzil is qualified to be chef because he just follows
the recipes. His real specialty is cleaning up afterwards. Roger observed
that Tenzil Kem is DC's Galactus.
McCraw indicated that Computo can return only if it stays away from Triad.
Jeff indicates that Computo could be reintroduced in the future, and Triad
won't necessarily be in danger.
The creators agreed that Star Boy was not permitted to fly any of the cruisers
since his accident. McCraw felt that the Legionnaires would let Thom fly the
cruisers if he promised not to touch anything. Jeff noted that the
Legionnaires have nicknamed him "Crash". McCraw believes "Crash" is too kind.
McCraw observes that "no one ever said that Chuck would or wouldn't become
Bouncing Boy."
Peyer didn't know if Chuck Taine had gotten Cosmic Boy's autograph on Cos'
magnoball card yet. He wasn't sure if Chuck was a sports' fan in the reboot.
McCraw pointed out that Cos tries not to remind the others that he's a sports
star.
There are plans for Valor other than him becoming Reflecto.
Roger promises to get to Mordru eventually, but observed that it had to be a
big story. Jeff didn't think that Mordru would wear the hat in the postboot.
Jeff defended the Legion's handling of the Fatal Five by observing that the
team was new to the hero business.
Live Wire is the postboot Arm Falls Off Boy. Peyer observed that Garth
wouldn't use his arm to beat people with, but that the arm only fell off.
Roger wouldn't reveal anything about his and Jeff's implicitly sinister future
plans for Garth.
Editor KC Carlson is working on the reader voting for leader. It will be
soon, but the creators were not sure when. The creators were asked who they
didn't think would win: McCraw would be surprised if Brainiac 5 won the
election; Peyer would "be absolutely stunned" if Leviathan won.
Roger noted that after L* 35, women will think twice before they kiss Tenzil.
Saturn Girl's mother, father and sister will appear in L* #38. Imra's sister
is younger than Imra. Roger sang a few choruses of "The Ardeen Bunch".
McCraw promised that the team would display more team spirit after LSH #80.
He noted that the team would be doing a lot after LSH #80. He also observed
that Cos was under a lot of pressure right now, and had a mean President to
get off his back. He was interested in opinions of Cosmic Boy after the
events of LSH #80. He and Peyer observed that the Legionnaires were a mostly
optimistic group of kids and would bounce back well from all the recent
events.
Jeff noted that the post-LSH #80 stories were somewhat lighter in tone. He
hadn't seen any upcoming stories that resembled "Girls' Night Out".
The post LSH #80 stories: L* #37 is about all the members. Jeff describes it
as the "What's left of the Legion" story. LSH #81 is the return of Dirk
Morgna. L* #38 is the Saturn Girl spotlight. LSH #82 features Xanthu.
Peyer had reminded McCraw that a new character is joining the team in 1996.
Peyer was amenable to a suggestion of adding new diverse members to the
Legion. McCraw wouldn't drop any hints about the character.
--
T. Troy McNemar, Esq. Tro...@indirect.com
"In the wine of life, some people are destined to be cork-sniffers."
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> >observed that Tenzil Kem is DC's Galactus.
>
> Now THERE'S a DC vs Marvel fight I'd pay to see! Woo! Woo!
I get this image of Tenzil Kem ending the Infinite Gem/Gauntlet series
by eating all of the Gem, or finish off the DC vs Marvel series by
having him polish off the two universes as desert.
Yes, Marvel does fear the Legions :)
Does anyone else ever respond to these ads if an upcoming title appears
interesting? At one time, I would ignore them but lately I'll check into
something that grabs me. I hope the LSH ads do a lot of grabbing...
>R.E.B.E.L.S. #17 is the last issue. There are two LSH-related revelations in
>that issue. Peyer didn't know of any L.E.G.I.O.N. plans after that issue.
>
I'm sure that everyone thinks that Phase's story will be touched on,
and I've heard some speculation that the RJ/Durlan thing may pop up...*BUT* I'm
hoping on some insight into the Valor World Seeding Legend.
>McCraw observes that L* #50 and LSH #100 will not be that far apart. They
>don't have plans that far in advance yet. McCraw begged that we give them a
>break.
I had thought of this also. Do we really need (or want) a super-huge,
titanic tale of life or death? Naw...a nice double-sized move toward more
preboot members will satisfy me. :)
>Roger tapped XS and Valor as his favorite characters. His favorite
>Legionnaire yet to appear is Ferro.
I've heard this song before, but each time it's that much sweeter to my
ears...
>Jeff believes that he has improved quite a bit as an artist in the past year.
> He still feels that he can improve. Roger bragged that he sees Jeff's
>Legionnaires art before any of the rest of us. Jeff shot back that Jeff
>didn't make the art easy to script.
I honestly believe that both Jeff & Lee have made this particular book
very artistically attrctive.
>Roger won't bring back Tinya. He said that it was hard enough bringing
OK, but maybe he'll introduce us to Phase...I'm curious as to how you
guys would feel to have Phase "replace" Apparition. I don't mean as a complete
clone, but simply filling Tinya's place as Bgtzl's rep. Think of the tension
and wierdness it would cause.
>There are plans for Valor other than him becoming Reflecto.
So does that mean that there *are* plans for Valor to become Reflecto?
>Roger promises to get to Mordru eventually, but observed that it had to be a
>big story. Jeff didn't think that Mordru would wear the hat in the postboot.
I take this to mean that Mordru is crossed off of the list of the Big 3
we've been discussing. I never considered Glorith to be that "big" anyways, so
I'm still betting on the Time Trapper.
>Peyer had reminded McCraw that a new character is joining the team in 1996.
>Peyer was amenable to a suggestion of adding new diverse members to the
>Legion. McCraw wouldn't drop any hints about the character.
Great news, great news...
Peace,
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>>> No Tricks In '96, It's Time To Build...-RAKIM <<<
The ads on the Legions look pretty sharp. The one "Come back to the Future"
seemed to be aimed at old Legion fans. The Universe against the Legion
seem to be aimed at both new and the old. Don't know if it will attract
new fans though.
> OK, but maybe he'll introduce us to Phase...I'm curious as to how you
> guys would feel to have Phase "replace" Apparition. I don't mean as a
complete
> clone, but simply filling Tinya's place as Bgtzl's rep. Think of the tension
> and wierdness it would cause.
I doubt it, Phase is about 15 years older than the current Legion members.
She won't fit in as a standard member. I suspect they'll just rewrite her
to eliminate continunity problems (though this will probably generate new
ones).
IMHO the house ads do little to generate sales. The people who read them
are genrally, granted not always- but genrally, hard core comics fans who
already know exactly how they are going to spend their $$ before they even
set foot in the comics shop each week.
I believe DC could better serve its interests by retconning all house ads
in all its books and replacing them with actual revenue producing outside
advertising (Go Go Sea Monkeys!! 8/) By generating more revenue through
higher ad sales DC could reduce cover prices, and this, more than any
other single factor, would help bring up DC's circulation figures across
the board.
>>R.E.B.E.L.S. #17 is the last issue. There are two LSH-related revelations in
>>that issue. Peyer didn't know of any L.E.G.I.O.N. plans after that issue.
>>
>
> I'm sure that everyone thinks that Phase's story will be touched on,
>and I've heard some speculation that the RJ/Durlan thing may pop up...*BUT* I'm
>hoping on some insight into the Valor World Seeding Legend.
All three threads have been allowed to dangle to long. I hate getting to
bogged down in continuity problems (stories whose only pourpose is to
explain previous stories almost always, without exception, SUCK EGGS)
however, having said that, these things really need to be taken care of.
Especially the Valor thread....we knoe the legend, but we never ever did
actually see him doing it. Maybe he didn't?
>
>>McCraw observes that L* #50 and LSH #100 will not be that far apart. They
>>don't have plans that far in advance yet. McCraw begged that we give them a
>>break.
>
> I had thought of this also. Do we really need (or want) a super-huge,
>titanic tale of life or death? Naw...a nice double-sized move toward more
>preboot members will satisfy me. :)
don't even need more pre-boots....a good story is all I require :)
>
>>Roger tapped XS and Valor as his favorite characters. His favorite
>>Legionnaire yet to appear is Ferro.
>
> I've heard this song before, but each time it's that much sweeter to my
>ears...
Duke's favs. are Lyle, Val,Zoe, Vi, Chuck, & Jo. (boy! that narrowed it
down eh?) Fav. yet to appear= Timber Wolf, Polar Boy, Wildfire, &
Projectra (another short list)
>
>>Jeff believes that he has improved quite a bit as an artist in the past year.
>> He still feels that he can improve. Roger bragged that he sees Jeff's
>>Legionnaires art before any of the rest of us. Jeff shot back that Jeff
>>didn't make the art easy to script.
>
> I honestly believe that both Jeff & Lee have made this particular book
>very artistically attrctive.
unanimous assent and high fives all around!!
>
>>Roger won't bring back Tinya. He said that it was hard enough bringing
>
> OK, but maybe he'll introduce us to Phase...I'm curious as to how you
>guys would feel to have Phase "replace" Apparition. I don't mean as a complete
>clone, but simply filling Tinya's place as Bgtzl's rep. Think of the tension
>and wierdness it would cause.
oh, they're such a bunch of teases...they WILL TOO bring back Tinya
(:::please:::)
>
>>There are plans for Valor other than him becoming Reflecto.
>
> So does that mean that there *are* plans for Valor to become Reflecto?
No, it means he'll begin traveling the universe under the psydonem Mon-El
>
>>Roger promises to get to Mordru eventually, but observed that it had to be a
>>big story. Jeff didn't think that Mordru would wear the hat in the postboot.
>
> I take this to mean that Mordru is crossed off of the list of the Big 3
>we've been discussing. I never considered Glorith to be that "big" anyways, so
>I'm still betting on the Time Trapper.
Naw, its Mordru
>
Duke
8--8
Well, this is fairly off-topic, but I picked up _Hawk and Dove_ solely off
in-house ads. I think it's the only book for which I did that; nowadays, I
usually hear about them on rac.* first. :-)
Doug L.
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Yeah, given the UP age of consent Phase is old enough to be Tinya's
mother. Hmmmm. Y'know, with a little bit of whatever the 30th century
equivalent of plastic surgery is - probably something trivially easy -
she could be a time-displaced Ambassador Wazzo.....
Rob Hansen
(Though using Avedon Carol's account, I am not her, nor does she
read this newsgroup. Please watch those automatic attributors.)
>>>R.E.B.E.L.S. #17 is the last issue. There are two LSH-related revelations in
>>>that issue. Peyer didn't know of any L.E.G.I.O.N. plans after that issue.
>>>
>> I'm sure that everyone thinks that Phase's story will be touched on,
>>and I've heard some speculation that the RJ/Durlan thing may pop up...*BUT* I'm
>>hoping on some insight into the Valor World Seeding Legend.
>
No such luck. For those who haven't seen it, the two revelations are
that (1) Phase never learned anything about her past at all, and (2)
That there's some sort of curse involving Vril Dox's line due to
manifest in 1000 years. Does anyone who's read LEGION/REBELS before
know any background on this thing? Is Brainiac 4 the curse?
>
>>>Roger won't bring back Tinya. He said that it was hard enough bringing
>>
>> OK, but maybe he'll introduce us to Phase...I'm curious as to how you
>>guys would feel to have Phase "replace" Apparition. I don't mean as a complete
>>clone, but simply filling Tinya's place as Bgtzl's rep. Think of the tension
>>and wierdness it would cause.
>
I've said it before and I'll say it again: NO more links of ANY kind
between the 30th and 20th centuries, especially continuity as screwed
up as REBELS. That kind of "tension and weirdness" we can do
without. Also, NO fake Tinyas or replacement-Tinyas or
might-be-Tinyas or sort-of-Tinyas. I want the real Apparition back or
no Bgztlr in the Legion.
Ben
good idea. here comes Enya.
and while we're on the subject, how does Cargg feel about having a
escaped psychiatric patient as its rep? maybe they could send a
"normal" Carggite as their real rep. that'd be interesting to see
how Luornu would interact with him/her. maybe she'd try to convert
the person to her way of thinking.
and doesn't Daxam want to send a new rep?
-the anonymous iu student
I hereby announce my dissent against any such lobbying. While I wouldn't
mind having Tinya back(and she may well return if/when the creative staff
changes again), I'd prefer leaving the option of having a new rep from
Bgztl open to the writers to exercise.
--
Dwight Williams(ad...@freenet.carleton.ca) -- Orleans, Ontario, Canada
>I've said it before and I'll say it again: NO more links of ANY kind
>between the 30th and 20th centuries, especially continuity as screwed
>up as REBELS. That kind of "tension and weirdness" we can do
>without. Also, NO fake Tinyas or replacement-Tinyas or
>might-be-Tinyas or sort-of-Tinyas. I want the real Apparition back or
>no Bgztlr in the Legion
Hear, hear! I totally agree! I want to see the return of the post - Zero
Hour Tinya! I enjoyed the preboot LSH characters as much as anybody, but
I've accepted that they're gone. The current series should stand on its
own as much as possible.
Ernie Pelletier
> and while we're on the subject, how does Cargg feel about having a
> escaped psychiatric patient as its rep? maybe they could send a
> "normal" Carggite as their real rep. that'd be interesting to see
> how Luornu would interact with him/her. maybe she'd try to convert
> the person to her way of thinking.
I don't think they like Lu as their rep, but I think Brande pulled
some strings. She wasn't a drafty, so she can't be recalled.
Not that she'll go back if they command her.
> and doesn't Daxam want to send a new rep?
May be Chu told them to hold off. After the Daxamite attacks,
and the trouble with the last rep, they probably don't want another.
: > and while we're on the subject, how does Cargg feel about having a
: > escaped psychiatric patient as its rep? maybe they could send a
: > "normal" Carggite as their real rep. that'd be interesting to see
: > how Luornu would interact with him/her. maybe she'd try to convert
: > the person to her way of thinking.
: I don't think they like Lu as their rep, but I think Brande pulled
: some strings. She wasn't a drafty, so she can't be recalled.
: Not that she'll go back if they command her.
OTOH, Garth wasn't a draftee either, and they replaced him. I suspect it's
more along the lines of the writers not wanting to do the same story twice
postboot.
- Don
She can't be recalled, why not? Remember Garth wasn't a draftee either,
but Ayla was send as his replacement. Now I realize you could say, tht
Winath didn't want a runaway as their planet's rep, but why would Carggg
want an escaped Psycho? I think sending a replacement would be a good
idea, especially if Lu tries to convert him/her to her way of thinking as
suggested.
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> and doesn't Daxam want to send a new rep?
Probably because lots of worlds, and Earth especially, don't trust ANY
Daxamites after the whole White Triangle fiasco, so a new Daxamite would
NOT be welcomed (drafted) into the Legion.
Andrew
Don't forget that Winema gave her permission for Tinya to be in the
Legion, and so obviously didn't take it up with the Bgtzl government. If
she'd really wanted to get Tinya out of the Legion she could have.
neil
>As for Lu, she could have been _replaced_, but not recalled. Brande took
>steps to protect Lu _before_ she joined the Legion. It wouldn't have taken
>much for Cargg to send a rep of their choice.
Don't be silly. It would have cost Cargg its Stargate if a replacement was
sent for Lu.
--
T. Troy McNemar, Esq. Tro...@indirect.com
"Why do women write to guys who are in prison? Maybe if I commit a crime
I can go to prison just long enough to improve my social life."
--Dilbert, "It's Obvious You Won't Survive By Your Wits Alone"
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>In article <4fd0hh$o...@globe.indirect.com>, tro...@indirect.com (T. Troy
>McNemar, Esq.) writes:
>>>As for Lu, she could have been _replaced_, but not recalled. Brande
>took>>>steps to protect Lu _before_ she joined the Legion. It wouldn't have
>taken>>>much for Cargg to send a rep of their choice.
>>Don't be silly. It would have cost Cargg its Stargate if a replacement
>was >>sent for Lu.
>Coincidentally, I just wrote a story about this very subject.
Well, then POST the bloody thing to alt.comics.fan-fiction.
>Coincidentally, I just wrote a story about this very subject.
Well, don't tease us! Where can we find it? (If you want to post it,
post it on "alt.comics.fan-fiction" and drop a "I posted it" to this
group.)
--
T. Troy McNemar, Esq. Tro...@indirect.com
"I'm the last person in the world that would burn a bra. Without good
underwired support, a fighting woman is just plain asking for trouble."
--Maureen Birnbaum, "Maureen Birnbaum, Barbarian Swordsperson"
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